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2012-12-08 01:21:53 PM
5 votes:
You mean by parking illegally Subby? She's a pretentious biatch driving a shiatty car powered by smug. That $12,000+ car costs more, gets worse gas mileage, is less safe, and does more damage to the environment than dozens of adult vehicles.

Good luck with her ever getting out of those tickets. Rules be rules... park in between the lines, not strattling them, 1 car per spot/meter... Think motorcyclists need 1 per space? No. Think it's legal for people just because they could park in between legal spaces to do so?

If I was a cop, I'd hit my monthly quota in a day or two with nothing but cars like these parked illegally, expired registrations in public lots, failed parallel parking attempts, and people generally being idiots on the road (not signal lane changes, turning into lanes other than the proper one, people blocking traffic by going too slowly or by attempting to turn where there are no protected lanes and cutouts).
2012-12-08 01:41:15 PM
4 votes:

Electrify: The most frustrating thing about these kinds of cars in North America is that they are so weighed down with airbags and other safety essentials that they don't get much better mileage than a standard subcompact. A Scion iQ gets 37 MPG on the highway, which i less than a Ford Fiesta at 40 MPG. Meanwhile the iQ in Europe comes in at about 45 MPG.


It's not so much all the safety stuff as the fact that we let the CAFE standards stay flat (and in some cases, roll backwards) for the last 25 years while Europe has been aggressively pushing to make cars less polluting and more efficient.

Also, micro cars in Europe aren't meant for highway driving: they're town runabouts for those who need a car.

To some degree, the problem isn't with the car, it's with our (lack of) development and long-term planning over the last 70 years. Americans still tend to have the mindset that the suburban model is the "right" way to live, which means having a car to get to any place you need to go. Europe is much more town or village-centric, so even the suburbs they are building tend to be around a walkable town center; you may live on the outskirts of Rome or Paris, and need a car to get to your job, but you can still walk to the shops to get milk and bread.

What we need to do in this country is increase density and halt sprawl. We're moving in the right direction with people returning to urban areas and rural ones halting suburban creep, but it will take a generation or more to turn things around.
2012-12-08 01:32:40 PM
3 votes:

Electrify: they are so weighed down with airbags and other safety essentials


Not true. Other Western cars are just as safe as ours. They just don't come with as much sound dampening, sat-navery, bumpin bass, cupholders, huge seats, huge door openings, exterior bling and other douchebag features. Europeans don't place as high a value on comfort while driving as we do, because they don't drive 4 hours a day and are not too fat to fit inside a normal car.

Marcus Aurelius: You said it. 1982 Honda Civics got 50 to 60 MPG on the highway, and close to 50 around town.


My 1975 Civic CVCC gets such good mileage I can't be bothered to keep track. In the 50s? Plus it can take leaded gasoline, for after the apocalypse destroys refineries. Of course, it is a deathtrap, terrifying to drive/ride in, invisible to everyone, gets clowned constantly (groups of drunks try to pick it up and move it so much, I don't park it where I can't watch it), will never get me laid, and only comes in colors you would paint a traffic barrier.
2012-12-08 01:42:04 PM
2 votes:
Airbags are worth whatever paltry weight they add, 30 lbs tops? I'm sure if you add up the luxury items: motors for nine way adjustable seats, heated back seats, speakers everywhere, power windows, etc is much heavier.
2012-12-08 01:19:09 PM
2 votes:
In Europe, it's not unusual to see two Smarts sharing a full size space that they paid for, and that's kosher. Some cities also have small end-in spaces for micro-cars, e.g. Rome. What this lady is doing is freeloading and clearly only works because she is the only person in her town doing it.
2012-12-08 01:18:42 PM
2 votes:
I predict one day she will come out to a busted headlight and dented front end, which she will be able to pay for with three months of saving $5 a day in parking fee's.
2012-12-08 01:16:43 PM
2 votes:
The Smart car is designed to be parked nose-in/tail-in in a typical parallel spot.

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2012-12-08 11:18:11 AM
2 votes:

Electrify: The most frustrating thing about these kinds of cars in North America is that they are so weighed down with airbags and other safety essentials that they don't get much better mileage than a standard subcompact. A Scion iQ gets 37 MPG on the highway, which i less than a Ford Fiesta at 40 MPG. Meanwhile the iQ in Europe comes in at about 45 MPG.


You said it. 1982 Honda Civics got 50 to 60 MPG on the highway, and close to 50 around town.
2012-12-08 10:29:03 AM
2 votes:
The most frustrating thing about these kinds of cars in North America is that they are so weighed down with airbags and other safety essentials that they don't get much better mileage than a standard subcompact. A Scion iQ gets 37 MPG on the highway, which i less than a Ford Fiesta at 40 MPG. Meanwhile the iQ in Europe comes in at about 45 MPG.
2012-12-08 03:24:02 PM
1 votes:
It seems like you could get most of the benefits of microcars by owning a motorcycle, with none of the embarrassment of owning a microcar.
2012-12-08 03:10:29 PM
1 votes:

Electrify: The most frustrating thing about these kinds of cars in North America is that they are so weighed down with airbags and other safety essentials that they don't get much better mileage than a standard subcompact. A Scion iQ gets 37 MPG on the highway, which i less than a Ford Fiesta at 40 MPG. Meanwhile the iQ in Europe comes in at about 45 MPG.

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The Smart and iQ in Europe have all the same safety features. Besides, everything required under new NHTSA standards passed between 1980 and the present adds less than 190 pounds to the weight of the car. Airbags, side impact beams in the doors, etc, have NOTHING to do with reduced fuel efficiency. What DOES affect efficiency is that everyone expects to have a hot rod these days in the US. The average car today can accelerate from 0-60 MPH in less than 8 seconds. In 1982, the Chevy Corvette had a 0-60 time of 9.1 seconds. Nowadays, that would be considered slow for a midsize sedan. People consider anything over 10.5 to be dangerous, when 25 years ago, 11 seconds would have been called "zippy" in a family car.
The Smart, while considered underpowered here, uses the largest available engine in Europe as its standard (only) engine here.
Also, if you're using British MPG figures for the "45 MPG" number for the iQ, keep in mind that British (Imperial) gallons are bigger than US gallons. That accounts for a lot of difference.

And, those of you talking about how your old whatever the heck got crazy mileage, remember how slow it was back then. And if you're checking EPA numbers for the old cars, keep in mind the EPA has revised their test standards several times since the 1980s, and the current tests give much lower mileage figures than the old ones did for the same car.
2012-12-08 02:41:06 PM
1 votes:

ZAZ: squeezing her tiny Smart micro-car between two cars parked at meters

If she does that to me she's going to find her micro-car crunched into a nano-car when I try to pull out.

/ITG


Illegally parked also means her insurance doesn't have to pay out, she'll get fined by the city and you can take her to court for violation of road laws that led to your vehicle becoming damaged.
2012-12-08 02:41:03 PM
1 votes:
Smart Move: Get a car that lets you legally park for free in an un-metered, unrestricted space between two parking spaces.

Dumb Move: Going on TV to talk about your little loophole and how it saves you hundreds in parking fees each month.

Next week's news today: City paints 'no parking' lines on road between these two spaces.
2012-12-08 02:33:04 PM
1 votes:

jtown: She can't possibly think this is legal, can she? Guess who just became the target of every cop in Halifax.


Knowing the Canadians and their love of the disgusting notion of "fairness", I'm betting their traffic laws say that if you park in a legal space and there's no meter, you don't have to pay.

Here in the States, if you do that, you get a ticket; hell, I've seen people get tickets for not feeding the meter when the meter head was missing!
2012-12-08 02:14:15 PM
1 votes:

Ima4nic8or: I like the idea of microcars but dont like the execution, especially todays models. A Peel Trident or Isetta would be cool but not the Smart or IQ. The things that piss me off about those are cost and cost. Despite their diminutive size they are not all that cheap. The Smart costs more than a Yaris, yet the Yaris will fit 4 folks, has a trunk and doesnt require premium (the other cost). Why is it that these dinky cars all seem to require premium? That sort of kills any potential cost savings from improved fuel economy. Not to mention that they dont get all the great economy. Again, the Yaris will match the smart in fuel economy as no doubt would many other non-micro sub-compacts.


Part of the problem is that a smaller car can have a WORSE drag profile than a large one.

The Smart car is not an exceptionally short or narrow body . Its prominent feature is being exceptionally SHORT. But they just truncated the back "flat", rather than tapering, to keep a modicum of usable interior space.

The problem is that drag isn't all about having a rounded front and smooth sides (but it helps). A flat back gives no place for the wake to converge, instead it creates a low pressure area that drags the vehicle back.

Of course the mpg isn't bad at all. But a Geo Metro will get better mpg with like 2x-3x the usable space inside. Smart car has a trick for exceptional parking situations, but you need to face that problem regularly. If you're just going to Fry's, well, they've got a parking lot, and it doesn't matter if you have a Metro, a Smart car, or a Hummer, if you find a space, it's a space. They do "compact car parking only" spaces, yes, but those accommodate a wide range of small cars, a Smart has no additional benefit in using those.
2012-12-08 02:12:21 PM
1 votes:
"Parking downtown can be outrageously expensive," Melanson said. "And monthly parking is just way beyond my budget. There's just no way I can afford a downtown monthly parking spot."

Learn to walk, kthxbhye
2012-12-08 02:12:08 PM
1 votes:
Walk. Pedal. Take the bus if you're crippled.
2012-12-08 02:11:38 PM
1 votes:
I would love to see her squeeze in between two beater pickups. Dude comes out, sees he's now blocked in, backs into her and pushes her POS into the other pickup while smashing her grill.

Otherwise, I couldn't give two shiats where she parks.
2012-12-08 01:55:07 PM
1 votes:

Ima4nic8or: I like the idea of microcars but dont like the execution, especially todays models. A Peel Trident or Isetta would be cool but not the Smart or IQ. The things that piss me off about those are cost and cost. Despite their diminutive size they are not all that cheap. The Smart costs more than a Yaris, yet the Yaris will fit 4 folks, has a trunk and doesnt require premium (the other cost). Why is it that these dinky cars all seem to require premium? That sort of kills any potential cost savings from improved fuel economy. Not to mention that they dont get all the great economy. Again, the Yaris will match the smart in fuel economy as no doubt would many other non-micro sub-compacts.


American car companies don't want to sell micro cars, as they make huge profits on things like SUVs and pickups, but smaller profits on small cars. As demand goes up, models will get better and prices will drop. Right now, if I could buy a new car, I'd buy a Fiat 500, which is right on the edge of the microcar range.
2012-12-08 01:51:35 PM
1 votes:
I like the idea of microcars but dont like the execution, especially todays models. A Peel Trident or Isetta would be cool but not the Smart or IQ. The things that piss me off about those are cost and cost. Despite their diminutive size they are not all that cheap. The Smart costs more than a Yaris, yet the Yaris will fit 4 folks, has a trunk and doesnt require premium (the other cost). Why is it that these dinky cars all seem to require premium? That sort of kills any potential cost savings from improved fuel economy. Not to mention that they dont get all the great economy. Again, the Yaris will match the smart in fuel economy as no doubt would many other non-micro sub-compacts.
2012-12-08 01:49:40 PM
1 votes:

whither_apophis: Airbags are worth whatever paltry weight they add, 30 lbs tops? I'm sure if you add up the luxury items: motors for nine way adjustable seats, heated back seats, speakers everywhere, power windows, etc is much heavier.


Also already mentioned - sound deadening. That stuff is heavy.
2012-12-08 01:47:13 PM
1 votes:
s4.thisnext.com

You could just bring the car inside with you.
2012-12-08 01:40:54 PM
1 votes:
I avoid parking lot fees by driving my jeep over the concrete barriers so I don't have to pay the fees on exiting.
2012-12-08 01:30:43 PM
1 votes:

Fart_Machine: fjnorton: An they are so safe
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You can die in a car accident regardless of the size of the vehicle.


Um going 80 mph yes but get read-ended by a truck in one of those and its going to be on top of you vs behind you.
2012-12-08 01:29:16 PM
1 votes:
You think that the Smart Car is a small car?

THIS is a small car!
2012-12-08 01:26:29 PM
1 votes:
A Halifax woman says she's found a way to beat expensive downtown parking by squeezing her tiny Smart micro-car between two cars parked at meters. parking illegally.

Wow. What an innovative solution...
2012-12-08 01:24:07 PM
1 votes:
Cars should be taxed by how much they pollute. Period.
Emissions test only.
2012-12-08 01:23:35 PM
1 votes:

BadReligion: Electrify: The most frustrating thing about these kinds of cars in North America is that they are so weighed down with airbags and other safety essentials that they don't get much better mileage than a standard subcompact. A Scion iQ gets 37 MPG on the highway, which i less than a Ford Fiesta at 40 MPG. Meanwhile the iQ in Europe comes in at about 45 MPG.

Are you sure that isn't due to an imperial gallon being equal to 1.2009 US gallons?

2012-12-08 01:22:29 PM
1 votes:

Electrify: The most frustrating thing about these kinds of cars in North America is that they are so weighed down with airbags and other safety essentials that they don't get much better mileage than a standard subcompact. A Scion iQ gets 37 MPG on the highway, which i less than a Ford Fiesta at 40 MPG. Meanwhile the iQ in Europe comes in at about 45 MPG.


Are you sure that isn't due to an imperial gallon be equal to 1.2009 US gallons.?
2012-12-08 01:21:04 PM
1 votes:

Kraftwerk Orange: The Smart car is designed to be parked nose-in/tail-in in a typical parallel spot.


I'm not going to be ITG but I would call whoever I could to get that care towed as it blocked me in. I don't know if that sort of option exists though as my parking is all done in lots.
2012-12-08 01:19:23 PM
1 votes:

fjnorton: An they are so safe
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You can die in a car accident regardless of the size of the vehicle.
2012-12-08 01:07:18 PM
1 votes:
Wherever I've lived it was illegal to park your car so that it overlapped two metered spaces.
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2012-12-08 11:54:24 AM
1 votes:

Electrify: The most frustrating thing about these kinds of cars in North America is that they are so weighed down with airbags and other safety essentials that they don't get much better mileage than a standard subcompact. A Scion iQ gets 37 MPG on the highway, which i less than a Ford Fiesta at 40 MPG. Meanwhile the iQ in Europe comes in at about 45 MPG.


It would be cool if we could die screaming bloody deaths more often.
2012-12-08 11:50:38 AM
1 votes:
This is why I love to drive my wife's Honda Fit. If you got the parking skills, that farker can be stuffed just about anywhere.
2012-12-08 11:39:00 AM
1 votes:
In the 80s my Honda CRX was pulling ~575 miles on a tank that was a little bigger than 10 gallons.

Now I ride a motorcycle that barely gets the mileage my CRX did.
2012-12-08 11:36:43 AM
1 votes:

Electrify: The most frustrating thing about these kinds of cars in North America is that they are so weighed down with airbags and other safety essentials that they don't get much better mileage than a standard subcompact. A Scion iQ gets 37 MPG on the highway, which i less than a Ford Fiesta at 40 MPG. Meanwhile the iQ in Europe comes in at about 45 MPG.


I doubt the safety equipment is entirely to blame. Looks like the European model gets a smaller engine, 1.0L vs. 1.3L for the US market, and is not available here with the 1.4L turbo-diesel:

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