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2012-12-08 10:29:03 AM  
The most frustrating thing about these kinds of cars in North America is that they are so weighed down with airbags and other safety essentials that they don't get much better mileage than a standard subcompact. A Scion iQ gets 37 MPG on the highway, which i less than a Ford Fiesta at 40 MPG. Meanwhile the iQ in Europe comes in at about 45 MPG.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2012-12-08 11:16:19 AM  
squeezing her tiny Smart micro-car between two cars parked at meters

If she does that to me she's going to find her micro-car crunched into a nano-car when I try to pull out.

/ITG
 
2012-12-08 11:18:11 AM  

Electrify: The most frustrating thing about these kinds of cars in North America is that they are so weighed down with airbags and other safety essentials that they don't get much better mileage than a standard subcompact. A Scion iQ gets 37 MPG on the highway, which i less than a Ford Fiesta at 40 MPG. Meanwhile the iQ in Europe comes in at about 45 MPG.


You said it. 1982 Honda Civics got 50 to 60 MPG on the highway, and close to 50 around town.
 
2012-12-08 11:21:40 AM  
 
2012-12-08 11:36:43 AM  

Electrify: The most frustrating thing about these kinds of cars in North America is that they are so weighed down with airbags and other safety essentials that they don't get much better mileage than a standard subcompact. A Scion iQ gets 37 MPG on the highway, which i less than a Ford Fiesta at 40 MPG. Meanwhile the iQ in Europe comes in at about 45 MPG.


I doubt the safety equipment is entirely to blame. Looks like the European model gets a smaller engine, 1.0L vs. 1.3L for the US market, and is not available here with the 1.4L turbo-diesel:

Link

Link
 
2012-12-08 11:39:00 AM  
In the 80s my Honda CRX was pulling ~575 miles on a tank that was a little bigger than 10 gallons.

Now I ride a motorcycle that barely gets the mileage my CRX did.
 
2012-12-08 11:45:30 AM  

St_Francis_P: I doubt the safety equipment is entirely to blame. Looks like the European model gets a smaller engine, 1.0L vs. 1.3L for the US market, and is not available here with the 1.4L turbo-diesel:


I know it's an apples/oranges comparison, but my CRX had a 1.5 liter engine
 
2012-12-08 11:50:38 AM  
This is why I love to drive my wife's Honda Fit. If you got the parking skills, that farker can be stuffed just about anywhere.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-12-08 11:54:24 AM  

Electrify: The most frustrating thing about these kinds of cars in North America is that they are so weighed down with airbags and other safety essentials that they don't get much better mileage than a standard subcompact. A Scion iQ gets 37 MPG on the highway, which i less than a Ford Fiesta at 40 MPG. Meanwhile the iQ in Europe comes in at about 45 MPG.


It would be cool if we could die screaming bloody deaths more often.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2012-12-08 12:03:31 PM  
It would be cool if we could die screaming bloody deaths more often.

There was an Orson Scott Card science fiction short story with that theme, but I forget the title. Probably from late 1970s or early 1980s.
 
2012-12-08 12:47:28 PM  
How do the pollution controls compare here vs Europe?
 
2012-12-08 01:07:18 PM  
Wherever I've lived it was illegal to park your car so that it overlapped two metered spaces.
 
2012-12-08 01:10:01 PM  

St_Francis_P: Electrify: The most frustrating thing about these kinds of cars in North America is that they are so weighed down with airbags and other safety essentials that they don't get much better mileage than a standard subcompact. A Scion iQ gets 37 MPG on the highway, which i less than a Ford Fiesta at 40 MPG. Meanwhile the iQ in Europe comes in at about 45 MPG.

I doubt the safety equipment is entirely to blame. Looks like the European model gets a smaller engine, 1.0L vs. 1.3L for the US market, and is not available here with the 1.4L turbo-diesel:

Link

Link


One of the ways they tax cars is by displacement, and I believe some countries charge tolls that way.
 
2012-12-08 01:13:56 PM  
An they are so safe
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2012-12-08 01:14:35 PM  
I demand that the parking lines be repainted to fix this discrepancy. Equality for all.
 
2012-12-08 01:16:43 PM  
The Smart car is designed to be parked nose-in/tail-in in a typical parallel spot.

www.transitmiami.com
 
2012-12-08 01:17:43 PM  

unyon: This is why I love to drive my wife's Honda Fit. If you got the parking skills, that farker can be stuffed just about anywhere.


It has a decent sized back seat area and the trunk space is pretty roomy once you pull the rear seats down.
 
2012-12-08 01:18:42 PM  
I predict one day she will come out to a busted headlight and dented front end, which she will be able to pay for with three months of saving $5 a day in parking fee's.
 
2012-12-08 01:19:09 PM  
In Europe, it's not unusual to see two Smarts sharing a full size space that they paid for, and that's kosher. Some cities also have small end-in spaces for micro-cars, e.g. Rome. What this lady is doing is freeloading and clearly only works because she is the only person in her town doing it.
 
2012-12-08 01:19:23 PM  

fjnorton: An they are so safe
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media.cmgdigital.com

You can die in a car accident regardless of the size of the vehicle.
 
2012-12-08 01:21:04 PM  

Kraftwerk Orange: The Smart car is designed to be parked nose-in/tail-in in a typical parallel spot.


I'm not going to be ITG but I would call whoever I could to get that care towed as it blocked me in. I don't know if that sort of option exists though as my parking is all done in lots.
 
2012-12-08 01:21:53 PM  
You mean by parking illegally Subby? She's a pretentious biatch driving a shiatty car powered by smug. That $12,000+ car costs more, gets worse gas mileage, is less safe, and does more damage to the environment than dozens of adult vehicles.

Good luck with her ever getting out of those tickets. Rules be rules... park in between the lines, not strattling them, 1 car per spot/meter... Think motorcyclists need 1 per space? No. Think it's legal for people just because they could park in between legal spaces to do so?

If I was a cop, I'd hit my monthly quota in a day or two with nothing but cars like these parked illegally, expired registrations in public lots, failed parallel parking attempts, and people generally being idiots on the road (not signal lane changes, turning into lanes other than the proper one, people blocking traffic by going too slowly or by attempting to turn where there are no protected lanes and cutouts).
 
2012-12-08 01:22:29 PM  

Electrify: The most frustrating thing about these kinds of cars in North America is that they are so weighed down with airbags and other safety essentials that they don't get much better mileage than a standard subcompact. A Scion iQ gets 37 MPG on the highway, which i less than a Ford Fiesta at 40 MPG. Meanwhile the iQ in Europe comes in at about 45 MPG.


Are you sure that isn't due to an imperial gallon be equal to 1.2009 US gallons.?
 
2012-12-08 01:23:35 PM  

BadReligion: Electrify: The most frustrating thing about these kinds of cars in North America is that they are so weighed down with airbags and other safety essentials that they don't get much better mileage than a standard subcompact. A Scion iQ gets 37 MPG on the highway, which i less than a Ford Fiesta at 40 MPG. Meanwhile the iQ in Europe comes in at about 45 MPG.

Are you sure that isn't due to an imperial gallon being equal to 1.2009 US gallons?

 
2012-12-08 01:24:07 PM  
Cars should be taxed by how much they pollute. Period.
Emissions test only.
 
2012-12-08 01:25:02 PM  
On the other end of the spectrum:

My father owned a 2000 Ford Excursion with an Allison package, raising the weight from it's already enormous 7,500 pounds to nearly 10,000 thanks to a 7.4 Liter Ford Performance V-10 engine (instead of 6.8L Triton V-10) and massive axles meant for pulling about a ton and a half of cabinetry and tools... or what have you.

It got about 8 in city and 16 on the highway. He then installed a new chip from Saleen.

It got an impressive 14 in city and 22 on the highway. All for the cost of $300.

Technology is always going to trump tiny and cute.

/We're getting the Ford Fiesta with the 2.0L 4-banger and supercharger next year - but it's going to be labeled as a "FPV" designation - meaning you're going to have to put your deposit down and wait until they call you.
 
2012-12-08 01:25:08 PM  
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Marcus Aurelius: Electrify: The most frustrating thing about these kinds of cars in North America is that they are so weighed down with airbags and other safety essentials that they don't get much better mileage than a standard subcompact. A Scion iQ gets 37 MPG on the highway, which i less than a Ford Fiesta at 40 MPG. Meanwhile the iQ in Europe comes in at about 45 MPG.

You said it. 1982 Honda Civics got 50 to 60 MPG on the highway, and close to 50 around town.


MPG is measured differently that in was back then
Cars are FAR safer then they were back then, side impact door beams, airbags, and improved seats, which is extremely important in rear end collisions, far better crumple zones.

They're also faster, much faster, you can get a Toyota Camry that will do 0-60 in 5.8 seconds now, that would seem like some kind of ludicrous misprint 25 years ago...

And ask anyone who has ever worked closed head injury rehab how cars are being needlessly weighed down with side curtain airbags....
 
2012-12-08 01:26:29 PM  
A Halifax woman says she's found a way to beat expensive downtown parking by squeezing her tiny Smart micro-car between two cars parked at meters. parking illegally.

Wow. What an innovative solution...
 
2012-12-08 01:29:16 PM  
You think that the Smart Car is a small car?

THIS is a small car!
 
2012-12-08 01:29:48 PM  

picturescrazy: Kraftwerk Orange: The Smart car is designed to be parked nose-in/tail-in in a typical parallel spot.

I'm not going to be ITG but I would call whoever I could to get that care towed as it blocked me in. I don't know if that sort of option exists though as my parking is all done in lots.


I was wondering about this one.

When you put money in the meter, what happens legally? Are you engaged in a rental agreement where you purchase the rights to park within the bounds of your spots until the meter expires? Do you have rights to have people towed from your spot? Does the owner of the spot have an obligation to keep your spot clear of obstructions?


This

ZAZ: If she does that to me she's going to find her micro-car crunched into a nano-car when I try to pull out.

 
2012-12-08 01:30:21 PM  
Big Whoop.

/My only vehicle is a XR650L
 
2012-12-08 01:30:25 PM  
A Smart is nearly a perfect square. You can pull straight into a parallel space.
 
2012-12-08 01:30:34 PM  
"I thought, if I can fit, why not?"

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2012-12-08 01:30:43 PM  

Fart_Machine: fjnorton: An they are so safe
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[media.cmgdigital.com image 615x409]

You can die in a car accident regardless of the size of the vehicle.


Um going 80 mph yes but get read-ended by a truck in one of those and its going to be on top of you vs behind you.
 
2012-12-08 01:31:40 PM  
Micro-cars are trendy, fuel efficient, and you can park wherever you want for free if you get creative want to a cheap and easy method of getting it dented and damaged from the cars you parked between.
 
2012-12-08 01:32:20 PM  

fjnorton: Fart_Machine: fjnorton: An they are so safe
[i.dailymail.co.uk image 634x435]

[media.cmgdigital.com image 615x409]

You can die in a car accident regardless of the size of the vehicle.

Um going 80 mph yes but get read-ended by a truck in one of those and its going to be on top of you vs behind you.


You don't have to be going 80 to flip a vehicle or get hit from the side while stationary.
 
2012-12-08 01:32:40 PM  

Electrify: they are so weighed down with airbags and other safety essentials


Not true. Other Western cars are just as safe as ours. They just don't come with as much sound dampening, sat-navery, bumpin bass, cupholders, huge seats, huge door openings, exterior bling and other douchebag features. Europeans don't place as high a value on comfort while driving as we do, because they don't drive 4 hours a day and are not too fat to fit inside a normal car.

Marcus Aurelius: You said it. 1982 Honda Civics got 50 to 60 MPG on the highway, and close to 50 around town.


My 1975 Civic CVCC gets such good mileage I can't be bothered to keep track. In the 50s? Plus it can take leaded gasoline, for after the apocalypse destroys refineries. Of course, it is a deathtrap, terrifying to drive/ride in, invisible to everyone, gets clowned constantly (groups of drunks try to pick it up and move it so much, I don't park it where I can't watch it), will never get me laid, and only comes in colors you would paint a traffic barrier.
 
2012-12-08 01:33:06 PM  
Any time I see a Smart car here in Vegas, I have to wonder what the owner was thinking. We have a very spread out city with people doing a lot of freeway driving, and the whole city was built on free parking in huge garages or valet. The only place you see a parking meter is downtown, and there is also the option for free parking at casinos there.
 
2012-12-08 01:34:11 PM  
I've tried that "It's so small you'll hardly even notice it" dodge before.
 
2012-12-08 01:36:16 PM  

Quantumbunny: You mean by parking illegally Subby? She's a pretentious biatch driving a shiatty car powered by smug. That $12,000+ car costs more, gets worse gas mileage, is less safe, and does more damage to the environment than dozens of adult vehicles.

Good luck with her ever getting out of those tickets. Rules be rules... park in between the lines, not strattling them, 1 car per spot/meter... Think motorcyclists need 1 per space? No. Think it's legal for people just because they could park in between legal spaces to do so?

If I was a cop, I'd hit my monthly quota in a day or two with nothing but cars like these parked illegally, expired registrations in public lots, failed parallel parking attempts, and people generally being idiots on the road (not signal lane changes, turning into lanes other than the proper one, people blocking traffic by going too slowly or by attempting to turn where there are no protected lanes and cutouts).


I don't think you've really showed the group your emotion. Why don't you tell us how you _really_ feel about small cars?
 
2012-12-08 01:40:54 PM  
I avoid parking lot fees by driving my jeep over the concrete barriers so I don't have to pay the fees on exiting.
 
2012-12-08 01:41:15 PM  

Electrify: The most frustrating thing about these kinds of cars in North America is that they are so weighed down with airbags and other safety essentials that they don't get much better mileage than a standard subcompact. A Scion iQ gets 37 MPG on the highway, which i less than a Ford Fiesta at 40 MPG. Meanwhile the iQ in Europe comes in at about 45 MPG.


It's not so much all the safety stuff as the fact that we let the CAFE standards stay flat (and in some cases, roll backwards) for the last 25 years while Europe has been aggressively pushing to make cars less polluting and more efficient.

Also, micro cars in Europe aren't meant for highway driving: they're town runabouts for those who need a car.

To some degree, the problem isn't with the car, it's with our (lack of) development and long-term planning over the last 70 years. Americans still tend to have the mindset that the suburban model is the "right" way to live, which means having a car to get to any place you need to go. Europe is much more town or village-centric, so even the suburbs they are building tend to be around a walkable town center; you may live on the outskirts of Rome or Paris, and need a car to get to your job, but you can still walk to the shops to get milk and bread.

What we need to do in this country is increase density and halt sprawl. We're moving in the right direction with people returning to urban areas and rural ones halting suburban creep, but it will take a generation or more to turn things around.
 
2012-12-08 01:42:04 PM  
Airbags are worth whatever paltry weight they add, 30 lbs tops? I'm sure if you add up the luxury items: motors for nine way adjustable seats, heated back seats, speakers everywhere, power windows, etc is much heavier.
 
2012-12-08 01:42:17 PM  

Electrify: The most frustrating thing about these kinds of cars in North America is that they are so weighed down with airbags and other safety essentials that they don't get much better mileage than a standard subcompact. A Scion iQ gets 37 MPG on the highway, which i less than a Ford Fiesta at 40 MPG. Meanwhile the iQ in Europe comes in at about 45 MPG.


Also they have the benefit of running on Imperial gallons of gasoline, which are 20% larger than US gallons.
We could improve MPG figures overnight here in the US, if only we'd switch to Imperial gallons!
 
2012-12-08 01:47:13 PM  
s4.thisnext.com

You could just bring the car inside with you.
 
2012-12-08 01:48:13 PM  

picturescrazy: ITG


What is this?
 
2012-12-08 01:49:21 PM  

Xyphoid: picturescrazy: ITG

What is this?


Internet tough guy.
 
2012-12-08 01:49:40 PM  

whither_apophis: Airbags are worth whatever paltry weight they add, 30 lbs tops? I'm sure if you add up the luxury items: motors for nine way adjustable seats, heated back seats, speakers everywhere, power windows, etc is much heavier.


Also already mentioned - sound deadening. That stuff is heavy.
 
2012-12-08 01:51:10 PM  

Kraftwerk Orange: [s4.thisnext.com image 435x435]

You could just bring the car inside with you.


www.moviecus.com
 
2012-12-08 01:51:35 PM  
I like the idea of microcars but dont like the execution, especially todays models. A Peel Trident or Isetta would be cool but not the Smart or IQ. The things that piss me off about those are cost and cost. Despite their diminutive size they are not all that cheap. The Smart costs more than a Yaris, yet the Yaris will fit 4 folks, has a trunk and doesnt require premium (the other cost). Why is it that these dinky cars all seem to require premium? That sort of kills any potential cost savings from improved fuel economy. Not to mention that they dont get all the great economy. Again, the Yaris will match the smart in fuel economy as no doubt would many other non-micro sub-compacts.
 
2012-12-08 01:51:43 PM  

Quantumbunny: You mean by parking illegally Subby? She's a pretentious biatch driving a shiatty car powered by smug. That $12,000+ car costs more, gets worse gas mileage, is less safe, and does more damage to the environment than dozens of adult vehicles.


You should have just skipped these lies and gone right to the trolling.

Here's what's going to happen: cities will realize they're losing revenue because of microcars and institute micro-only parking, increasing revenue by getting more cars in the same amount of space (more cars means more meters means more revenue). In my city the dreaded PPA has already solved the problem by doing away with meters entirely and going to a European-style kiosk system, which means as many cars can park on a block as can fit. They've also introduced 2-wheel only parking downtown for people with motorcycles and scooters, and turned the old parking meter stanchions into bike racks.
 
2012-12-08 01:55:07 PM  

Ima4nic8or: I like the idea of microcars but dont like the execution, especially todays models. A Peel Trident or Isetta would be cool but not the Smart or IQ. The things that piss me off about those are cost and cost. Despite their diminutive size they are not all that cheap. The Smart costs more than a Yaris, yet the Yaris will fit 4 folks, has a trunk and doesnt require premium (the other cost). Why is it that these dinky cars all seem to require premium? That sort of kills any potential cost savings from improved fuel economy. Not to mention that they dont get all the great economy. Again, the Yaris will match the smart in fuel economy as no doubt would many other non-micro sub-compacts.


American car companies don't want to sell micro cars, as they make huge profits on things like SUVs and pickups, but smaller profits on small cars. As demand goes up, models will get better and prices will drop. Right now, if I could buy a new car, I'd buy a Fiat 500, which is right on the edge of the microcar range.
 
2012-12-08 01:56:31 PM  

Ima4nic8or: Why is it that these dinky cars all seem to require premium?


Forced-induction engines usually require premium and you have to use forced-induction to get these tiny engines to put out any meaningful power.
 
2012-12-08 02:03:21 PM  

Day_Old_Dutchie: You think that the Smart Car is a small car?

THIS is a small car!


Was waiting for the Peel P50 (and the Top Gear orangutan) to pop up in this thread.

A car so small you can drag it behind you at work...
 
2012-12-08 02:05:58 PM  
Ima4nic8or,
I like the idea of microcars but dont like the execution, especially todays models. A Peel Trident or Isetta would be cool but not the Smart or IQ. The things that piss me off about those are cost and cost. Despite their diminutive size they are not all that cheap. The Smart costs more than a Yaris, yet the Yaris will fit 4 folks, has a trunk and doesnt require premium (the other cost). Why is it that these dinky cars all seem to require premium? That sort of kills any potential cost savings from improved fuel economy. Not to mention that they dont get all the great economy. Again, the Yaris will match the smart in fuel economy as no doubt would many other non-micro sub-compacts.


Mercedes dropped the ball on the design. They should have made an updated version of the VW beetle. Instead they have a flawed car that only works as a 'second car' for the city.
 
2012-12-08 02:06:41 PM  
They're fast too

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2012-12-08 02:09:05 PM  

Ima4nic8or: I like the idea of microcars but dont like the execution, especially todays models. A Peel Trident or Isetta would be cool but not the Smart or IQ. The things that piss me off about those are cost and cost. Despite their diminutive size they are not all that cheap. The Smart costs more than a Yaris, yet the Yaris will fit 4 folks, has a trunk and doesnt require premium (the other cost). Why is it that these dinky cars all seem to require premium? That sort of kills any potential cost savings from improved fuel economy. Not to mention that they dont get all the great economy. Again, the Yaris will match the smart in fuel economy as no doubt would many other non-micro sub-compacts.


i agree. tiny cars are neat but holy crap what's with the huge price tags? come on! who's kidding who? an itty-bitty vehicle is not using anywhere near the raw material that goes into a 4 dr sedan, SUV or p'up. still they have the balls to charge a farking fortune for them. meanwhile you could just say 'screw this' and go buy the lightly used sports car / convertible / whatever that you really want for much less. sure, corvettes are dooshbag magnets but dammit what a great toy.
 
2012-12-08 02:11:38 PM  
I would love to see her squeeze in between two beater pickups. Dude comes out, sees he's now blocked in, backs into her and pushes her POS into the other pickup while smashing her grill.

Otherwise, I couldn't give two shiats where she parks.
 
2012-12-08 02:12:08 PM  
Walk. Pedal. Take the bus if you're crippled.
 
2012-12-08 02:12:21 PM  
"Parking downtown can be outrageously expensive," Melanson said. "And monthly parking is just way beyond my budget. There's just no way I can afford a downtown monthly parking spot."

Learn to walk, kthxbhye
 
2012-12-08 02:12:48 PM  

maram500: Day_Old_Dutchie: You think that the Smart Car is a small car?

THIS is a small car!

Was waiting for the Peel P50 (and the Top Gear orangutan) to pop up in this thread.

A car so small you can drag it behind you at work...


That was an awesome TG bit, watching a dude my size fold himself into the vehicular equivalent of a 55 gallon drum.
 
2012-12-08 02:14:15 PM  

Ima4nic8or: I like the idea of microcars but dont like the execution, especially todays models. A Peel Trident or Isetta would be cool but not the Smart or IQ. The things that piss me off about those are cost and cost. Despite their diminutive size they are not all that cheap. The Smart costs more than a Yaris, yet the Yaris will fit 4 folks, has a trunk and doesnt require premium (the other cost). Why is it that these dinky cars all seem to require premium? That sort of kills any potential cost savings from improved fuel economy. Not to mention that they dont get all the great economy. Again, the Yaris will match the smart in fuel economy as no doubt would many other non-micro sub-compacts.


Part of the problem is that a smaller car can have a WORSE drag profile than a large one.

The Smart car is not an exceptionally short or narrow body . Its prominent feature is being exceptionally SHORT. But they just truncated the back "flat", rather than tapering, to keep a modicum of usable interior space.

The problem is that drag isn't all about having a rounded front and smooth sides (but it helps). A flat back gives no place for the wake to converge, instead it creates a low pressure area that drags the vehicle back.

Of course the mpg isn't bad at all. But a Geo Metro will get better mpg with like 2x-3x the usable space inside. Smart car has a trick for exceptional parking situations, but you need to face that problem regularly. If you're just going to Fry's, well, they've got a parking lot, and it doesn't matter if you have a Metro, a Smart car, or a Hummer, if you find a space, it's a space. They do "compact car parking only" spaces, yes, but those accommodate a wide range of small cars, a Smart has no additional benefit in using those.
 
2012-12-08 02:17:18 PM  

Marcus Aurelius: Electrify:A Scion iQ gets 37 MPG on the highway, which i less than a Ford Fiesta at 40 MPG. Meanwhile the iQ in Europe comes in at about 45 MPG.

You said it. 1982 Honda Civics got 50 to 60 MPG on the highway, and close to 50 around town.


I'll see your '82 Honda, and raise you a 1960 Beetle!

/Dihatsu Charade unavailable for comment
 
2012-12-08 02:20:18 PM  

DeathByGeekSquad: I demand that the parking lines be repainted to fix this discrepancy. Equality for all.


The parking meters in my neighborhood (and I think much of NYC) have been replaced with "Muni-meters" that print out a ticket that you have to put on your dashboard. Much more efficient in addition to avoiding the small car problem.
 
2012-12-08 02:27:53 PM  
A Halifax woman says she's found a way to beat expensive downtown parking by squeezing her tiny Smart micro-car between two cars parked at meters.

She can't possibly think this is legal, can she? Guess who just became the target of every cop in Halifax.
 
2012-12-08 02:33:04 PM  

jtown: She can't possibly think this is legal, can she? Guess who just became the target of every cop in Halifax.


Knowing the Canadians and their love of the disgusting notion of "fairness", I'm betting their traffic laws say that if you park in a legal space and there's no meter, you don't have to pay.

Here in the States, if you do that, you get a ticket; hell, I've seen people get tickets for not feeding the meter when the meter head was missing!
 
2012-12-08 02:38:05 PM  
"when there's just six inches on either end."

Kinky...
 
2012-12-08 02:39:10 PM  

The One True TheDavid: Walk. Pedal. Take the bus if you're crippled.


It's called "Independence". I Wait For No One.
 
2012-12-08 02:39:36 PM  
"I thought, if I can fit, why not?"

Using that same argument, anyone who wants can park on the sidewalk, or the median, or the middle of the street. "Hey, the car fit, so I just parked there".

Her parking plan has left some parking authorities scratching their heads. So far, she's only had one ticket for $25. She plans on fighting any more in the future.

I can't imagine what argument she would have in court, other than "I don't want to pay to park, and I don't care if I'm blocking the people who paid for those parking spaces".
 
2012-12-08 02:41:03 PM  
Smart Move: Get a car that lets you legally park for free in an un-metered, unrestricted space between two parking spaces.

Dumb Move: Going on TV to talk about your little loophole and how it saves you hundreds in parking fees each month.

Next week's news today: City paints 'no parking' lines on road between these two spaces.
 
2012-12-08 02:41:06 PM  

ZAZ: squeezing her tiny Smart micro-car between two cars parked at meters

If she does that to me she's going to find her micro-car crunched into a nano-car when I try to pull out.

/ITG


Illegally parked also means her insurance doesn't have to pay out, she'll get fined by the city and you can take her to court for violation of road laws that led to your vehicle becoming damaged.
 
2012-12-08 02:41:15 PM  

Dwight_Yeast: jtown: She can't possibly think this is legal, can she? Guess who just became the target of every cop in Halifax.

Knowing the Canadians and their love of the disgusting notion of "fairness", I'm betting their traffic laws say that if you park in a legal space and there's no meter, you don't have to pay.

Here in the States, if you do that, you get a ticket; hell, I've seen people get tickets for not feeding the meter when the meter head was missing!


I got a ticket while walking from my car to the multi space meter.
 
2012-12-08 02:42:13 PM  

JuggleGeek: Using that same argument, anyone who wants can park on the sidewalk, or the median, or the middle of the street. "Hey, the car fit, so I just parked there".


Incorrect, though here in Philly, it's acceptable to park on the median on South Broad St, because back in the 1960s the mayor got pelted with rocks when he suggested parking reform in South Philly.

I'll point it out again: remember that she's in Canada, not the US, and that a lot of their laws are fundamentally different there.
 
2012-12-08 02:43:25 PM  
I like the idea of a micro car. I just think that the form factor, mileage, and cost should be close to Indian. Couple grand. 50mpg. Biodiesel. That kind of thing.
 
2012-12-08 02:44:04 PM  
The most frustrating thing about these kinds of cars in North America is that they are so weighed down with airbags and other safety essentials that they don't get much better mileage than a standard subcompact. A Scion iQ gets 37 MPG on the highway, which i less than a Ford Fiesta at 40 MPG. Meanwhile the iQ in Europe comes in at about 45 MPG.

My 1981 Toyota Starlet got 50 MPG easily. It also had a manual choke to start on the coldest days. I miss that car.
 
2012-12-08 02:54:33 PM  

whither_apophis: Airbags are worth whatever paltry weight they add, 30 lbs tops? I'm sure if you add up the luxury items: motors for nine way adjustable seats, heated back seats, speakers everywhere, power windows, etc is much heavier.


Fark, I can't stand cars that don't let you manually adjust the seats. For a "luxury" it sure manages to annoy the hell out of me while waiting 2 minutes to adjust, instead of 2 seconds.
 
2012-12-08 02:54:47 PM  

fjnorton: An they are so safe
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What does a Chinese- made midsize car have to do with a Smart? The car in your picture is a Chinese- made FAW/ VW Passat. Basically, it's an early 90s Passat built under license by FAW, a Chinese carmaker. I can't say for sure about THAT one, but many of the Chinese- licensed versions of other carmakers' cars do worse in crash testing than the original. Basically, that's a Chinese midsize family car that was hit by a bus. Again, it has nothing to do with a Smart car. That's not to say that the Smart is the safest vehicle on the road. I know it's not. But the manufacturer took great pains to ensure that it has an extremely strong passenger compartment and as many energy- absorbing features as they could add in order to make it as ssafe as possible. Google "Tridion safety cell" for more information.
 
2012-12-08 02:58:41 PM  

Ima4nic8or: I like the idea of microcars but dont like the execution, especially todays models. A Peel Trident or Isetta would be cool but not the Smart or IQ. The things that piss me off about those are cost and cost. Despite their diminutive size they are not all that cheap. The Smart costs more than a Yaris, yet the Yaris will fit 4 folks, has a trunk and doesnt require premium (the other cost). Why is it that these dinky cars all seem to require premium? That sort of kills any potential cost savings from improved fuel economy. Not to mention that they dont get all the great economy. Again, the Yaris will match the smart in fuel economy as no doubt would many other non-micro sub-compacts.


They don't "REQUIRE" premium, they just recommend it if you want the advertised mileage.
 
2012-12-08 03:00:18 PM  

Dwight_Yeast: Electrify: The most frustrating thing about these kinds of cars in North America is that they are so weighed down with airbags and other safety essentials that they don't get much better mileage than a standard subcompact. A Scion iQ gets 37 MPG on the highway, which i less than a Ford Fiesta at 40 MPG. Meanwhile the iQ in Europe comes in at about 45 MPG.

It's not so much all the safety stuff as the fact that we let the CAFE standards stay flat (and in some cases, roll backwards) for the last 25 years while Europe has been aggressively pushing to make cars less polluting and more efficient.

Also, micro cars in Europe aren't meant for highway driving: they're town runabouts for those who need a car.

To some degree, the problem isn't with the car, it's with our (lack of) development and long-term planning over the last 70 years. Americans still tend to have the mindset that the suburban model is the "right" way to live, which means having a car to get to any place you need to go. Europe is much more town or village-centric, so even the suburbs they are building tend to be around a walkable town center; you may live on the outskirts of Rome or Paris, and need a car to get to your job, but you can still walk to the shops to get milk and bread.

What we need to do in this country is increase density and halt sprawl. We're moving in the right direction with people returning to urban areas and rural ones halting suburban creep, but it will take a generation or more to turn things around.


This.

I live on the edge of town, but I get a free bus pass and discounted taxi from my employer and the city so I *don't* have to drive into town... and even where I am I can walk and get groceries easily 1-4 blocks away. I might have to be creative since it's all ethnic shops, but what the hey, there's still milk and eggs at the Korean place, fresh produce at 4 shops, and I can bike to a supermarket proper anyway.

It's awesome. Not as awesome as when I lived a stone's throw from the twice weekly framer's market, but I can hit up a supermarket proper once a month for cheap staples and dry/canned goods and then just walk to get food for making dinner and lunch every other day or so.

I'd say it's gonna take more than a generation, though. Even my won't-stop-talking-about-sustainable-communities roommate defaults to his car and drives two miles to the supermarket for stuff that he could have walked down the street to get. Maybe slightly more expensive, but gas + circling for parking + headache = I'll walk every time.

We were both raised in car friendly Detroit suburbs, though, and old habits die hard.
 
2012-12-08 03:03:26 PM  
I love Chinese crash tests.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9YbDCvrBBk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=47Gy19D9Hxc&playnext=1&list=PLE8BDF60 B E4BF7A15&feature=results_main

/I am not a freak about having the bigger car, but please don't allow Chinese cars in.
 
2012-12-08 03:05:29 PM  
I don't know about parking in Halifax, but in Winnipeg downtown, at least,

here's a diagram:

____________ _______________________meter______________________________________


You can only park in the space inbetween where the green circle parking sign is, and there's a meter to pay and get a ticket to put in your window and one to keep. Usually a couple of dollars for 2 hours. You're fine if you park in the parking zone. You're towed if you're parked in the red sign no parking zone on either side of the parking zone. Simple as that.


Kraftwerk Orange


The Smart car is designed to be parked nose-in/tail-in in a typical parallel spot.

That might work in Europe, but I'm pretty darn sure it's illegal or at the very least not-advised in North America.
 
2012-12-08 03:06:31 PM  
coolandcollected.com
 
2012-12-08 03:08:16 PM  
dammit it didn't work. all because I used > and

______ \no parking to the left | parking to the right/ _____________________meter ____________________\parking to the left | no parking to the right / ________________
 
2012-12-08 03:08:27 PM  
It is well worth paying to park to drive the car I drive instead of a Smart car. Also, I enjoy stepping on it next to a Prius or similar car. For every gallon of gas you don't burn, I will use it to give me joy. Sort of like vegetarianism, where I will eat two animals for every animal you don't eat.

It does suck to park it downtown though because the spots in lots are too damned small, and I don't like street parking. Fortunately I don't frequent there. Also, I'd be pissed if a Smart car parked behind or in front of my parallel spot because it would make it much more difficult to get out of the spot.
 
2012-12-08 03:09:37 PM  
Also, the Smart Car was offered in Diesel in its first 5 years or so in Canada (easily 50-80 mpg). Then it switched to gas (not any better than any other subcompact, approx 30 mpg)
 
2012-12-08 03:10:19 PM  

Kraftwerk Orange: The Smart car is designed to be parked nose-in/tail-in in a typical parallel spot.

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Ha, so the lady is not just a douche, she's a stupid douche.
 
2012-12-08 03:10:29 PM  

Electrify: The most frustrating thing about these kinds of cars in North America is that they are so weighed down with airbags and other safety essentials that they don't get much better mileage than a standard subcompact. A Scion iQ gets 37 MPG on the highway, which i less than a Ford Fiesta at 40 MPG. Meanwhile the iQ in Europe comes in at about 45 MPG.

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The Smart and iQ in Europe have all the same safety features. Besides, everything required under new NHTSA standards passed between 1980 and the present adds less than 190 pounds to the weight of the car. Airbags, side impact beams in the doors, etc, have NOTHING to do with reduced fuel efficiency. What DOES affect efficiency is that everyone expects to have a hot rod these days in the US. The average car today can accelerate from 0-60 MPH in less than 8 seconds. In 1982, the Chevy Corvette had a 0-60 time of 9.1 seconds. Nowadays, that would be considered slow for a midsize sedan. People consider anything over 10.5 to be dangerous, when 25 years ago, 11 seconds would have been called "zippy" in a family car.
The Smart, while considered underpowered here, uses the largest available engine in Europe as its standard (only) engine here.
Also, if you're using British MPG figures for the "45 MPG" number for the iQ, keep in mind that British (Imperial) gallons are bigger than US gallons. That accounts for a lot of difference.

And, those of you talking about how your old whatever the heck got crazy mileage, remember how slow it was back then. And if you're checking EPA numbers for the old cars, keep in mind the EPA has revised their test standards several times since the 1980s, and the current tests give much lower mileage figures than the old ones did for the same car.
 
2012-12-08 03:16:44 PM  

Enemabag Jones: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=47Gy19D9Hxc&playnext=1&list=PLE8BDF60 B E4BF7A15&feature=results_main


Christ, do they make their cars out of foil?
 
2012-12-08 03:18:26 PM  

aukutsutsu: It is well worth paying to park to drive the car I drive instead of a Smart car. Also, I enjoy stepping on it next to a Prius or similar car. For every gallon of gas you don't burn, I will use it to give me joy. Sort of like vegetarianism, where I will eat two animals for every animal you don't eat.


Why? You do understand that there's a difference between the freedom to do whatever you want and simply wasting resources, don't you?

My grandfather -a die-hard Republican, who started his life as a farmer- used to quote something his grandfather said: "Use it up, wear it out, make it do or do without."

That's real conservatism.
 
2012-12-08 03:19:38 PM  
Hey lady, if you squirm to get within 6 inches of the rear bumper of my pickup, I'm not going to feel bad about pushing your car back as I leave. Youre not important enough to make me wait.
 
2012-12-08 03:24:02 PM  
It seems like you could get most of the benefits of microcars by owning a motorcycle, with none of the embarrassment of owning a microcar.
 
2012-12-08 03:27:01 PM  

Representative of the unwashed masses: Hey lady, if you squirm to get within 6 inches of the rear bumper of my pickup,


If you can't get out of a spot in the city with 6" on each end of your car, then you shouldn't be parking in the city.

A hint: the shorter the wheelbase, the easier it is to get out of a tight space.

This is what streets look like in my neighborhood:

www.boutell.com
One lane of traffic, one of parking. Some of the smaller side streets are barely wide enough to get a car down.

Microcars make sense here, and my neighbors are buying them.
 
2012-12-08 03:31:11 PM  

ph0rk: It seems like you could get most of the benefits of microcars by owning a motorcycle, with none of the embarrassment of owning a microcar.


While a motorcycle can be a good option when it comes to parking, it can't help when you're bringing home a big load of groceries or taking your lab (or any medium or large-size dog) to the vet. And they're really only practical as year-round vehicles if you live below the frost zone.

If, like the woman in TFA, you live in CANADA, you can ride maybe five or six months of the year.

I'm a pretty serious cyclist, rode home in the rain last night, but even I stop biking when the temperature gets below freezing. I know some people who don't.
 
2012-12-08 03:37:29 PM  

Dwight_Yeast: aukutsutsu: It is well worth paying to park to drive the car I drive instead of a Smart car. Also, I enjoy stepping on it next to a Prius or similar car. For every gallon of gas you don't burn, I will use it to give me joy. Sort of like vegetarianism, where I will eat two animals for every animal you don't eat.

Why? You do understand that there's a difference between the freedom to do whatever you want and simply wasting resources, don't you?

My grandfather -a die-hard Republican, who started his life as a farmer- used to quote something his grandfather said: "Use it up, wear it out, make it do or do without."

That's real conservatism.


These are the same doofuses who bought Hummers to "piss off the libs" and then biatched every time fuel costs rose.
 
2012-12-08 03:38:59 PM  

Dwight_Yeast: Representative of the unwashed masses: Hey lady, if you squirm to get within 6 inches of the rear bumper of my pickup,

If you can't get out of a spot in the city with 6" on each end of your car, then you shouldn't be parking in the city.


If I have to do a 15 point turn to get out because of her she had better expect a couple of dings here and there. You box me in, I get to feel my way out.
 
2012-12-08 03:43:10 PM  
Dwight_Yeast ,
While a motorcycle can be a good option when it comes to parking, it can't help when you're bringing home a big load of groceries or taking your lab (or any medium or large-size dog) to the vet. And they're really only practical as year-round vehicles if you live below the frost zone.

If a microcar is just two seats as in the smart car, you can't do much with it anyway other then drive people around and can't move anything bigger then another person, requiring a second vehicle. The basic smart starts at $12,500. Not cheap for a second car. A motorcycle is probably almost as useful and much cheaper.

/Throw in anything with a backseat and that is no longer a problem for another 1-2k new.
 
2012-12-08 03:46:53 PM  

Dwight_Yeast: While a motorcycle can be a good option when it comes to parking, it can't help when you're bringing home a big load of groceries or taking your lab (or any medium or large-size dog) to the vet. And they're really only practical as year-round vehicles if you live below the frost zone.


Nonsense
 
2012-12-08 03:47:15 PM  

unyon: If you got the parking skills, that farker can be stuffed just about anywhere.


I've had the same experience with your mom.
 
2012-12-08 03:48:16 PM  

Enemabag Jones: Not cheap for a second car.


...and we're back to the problem of the American suburban mindset. People who live in cities (like this woman) aren't buying microcars as "second cars". They're buying them as their only car.

Enemabag Jones: A motorcycle is probably almost as useful and much cheaper.


Again, you're missing the fact that you can't really ride a motorcycle in Canada in the winter, unless you're young and insane. Some people like some comfort, like an enclosed cab and... you know, heat.

Representative of the unwashed masses: If I have to do a 15 point turn to get out because of her she had better expect a couple of dings here and there.


You park in the city, you expect a couple dings here and there. Full stop. Also: fold your mirrors in, or there's a good chance they'll get clipped.
 
2012-12-08 03:50:42 PM  

Funbags: Dwight_Yeast: While a motorcycle can be a good option when it comes to parking, it can't help when you're bringing home a big load of groceries or taking your lab (or any medium or large-size dog) to the vet. And they're really only practical as year-round vehicles if you live below the frost zone.

Nonsense


I've heard about those, and they seem like an excellent idea. It's just that you can't actually buy one yet.
 
2012-12-08 03:58:17 PM  
Dwight_Yeast
Enemabag Jones: Not cheap for a second car.
...and we're back to the problem of the American suburban mindset. People who live in cities (like this woman) aren't buying microcars as "second cars". They're buying them as their only car.


I am not talking a 'suburban mindset' where you have to have the kids not sit next to each other because they fight, carry that megaload of toilet paper from costco or have that vacation vehicle 'just in case'.

I am talking about being able to move around a large laundry or a full week's groceries.

I wanted a Tiberon, but thought about how functional it would be to do things I had to do in my car. So instead I bought a ford excursion.

/The ford excursion is a joke, but should have got a 4 cylinder vs a 6.
 
2012-12-08 04:05:40 PM  
I tried out a Smart, I managed to cram my 6'5" 350 pound bulk into the car and closed the door. I asked the salesman where the steering wheel adjustment was and he blanked out. I was actually okay except my left knee was jammed between the door and the steering wheel and the dash. Other than not being able to turn the wheel it was almost doable. About as bad as a Corolla.
 
2012-12-08 04:13:20 PM  

wildcardjack: I tried out a Smart, I managed to cram my 6'5" 350 pound bulk into the car and closed the door.


There was a fat guy in my neighborhood growing up who drove a Fiero. It took him five minutes to get into the car every morning and the steering wheel cut into his gut. I could never understand why he didn't buy a car that fit him.

I like you, so I'll point out the obvious: you're not most people. Average height of the American male is something like 5' 8".

Enemabag Jones: I am talking about being able to move around a large laundry or a full week's groceries.


I'm pretty sure that you could get a week's worth of groceries for two people into a Smart. Or you can do the European thing and shop for stuff as you need it, rather than doing all your shopping at once. I tend to go to the grocery store (I use Acme, Whole Foods and Trader Joe's) about three times a week. The Acme is three blocks from my house, and it's small enough I can run in get what I need and not get overwhelmed with "shopping".
 
2012-12-08 04:18:43 PM  
Dwight_Yeast ,
Enemabag Jones: I am talking about being able to move around a large laundry or a full week's groceries.
I'm pretty sure that you could get a week's worth of groceries for two people into a Smart. Or you can do the European thing and shop for stuff as you need it, rather than doing all your shopping at once. I tend to go to the grocery store (I use Acme, Whole Foods and Trader Joe's) about three times a week. The Acme is three blocks from my house, and it's small enough I can run in get what I need and not get overwhelmed with "shopping".


I have read that the smart was really designed around European expectations and lifestyles. I want to see a small, simple car that works for American lifestyles. Reboot something like the vw bug from the 60's.
 
2012-12-08 04:32:51 PM  

Dwight_Yeast: aukutsutsu: It is well worth paying to park to drive the car I drive instead of a Smart car. Also, I enjoy stepping on it next to a Prius or similar car. For every gallon of gas you don't burn, I will use it to give me joy. Sort of like vegetarianism, where I will eat two animals for every animal you don't eat.

Why? You do understand that there's a difference between the freedom to do whatever you want and simply wasting resources, don't you?

My grandfather -a die-hard Republican, who started his life as a farmer- used to quote something his grandfather said: "Use it up, wear it out, make it do or do without."

That's real conservatism.


I saw his post more as a commentary on supply and demand.

When demand goes down, price goes down. Am I right? So when we all stop eating meat, meat doesn't go away - but it gets cheaper and the people who do eat it get more of it...

Am I missing something?
 
2012-12-08 04:35:25 PM  

Dwight_Yeast: Representative of the unwashed masses: Hey lady, if you squirm to get within 6 inches of the rear bumper of my pickup,

If you can't get out of a spot in the city with 6" on each end of your car, then you shouldn't be parking in the city.

A hint: the shorter the wheelbase, the easier it is to get out of a tight space.

This is what streets look like in my neighborhood:

[www.boutell.com image 450x338]
One lane of traffic, one of parking. Some of the smaller side streets are barely wide enough to get a car down.

Microcars make sense here, and my neighbors are buying them.


do you live in the 70s?
 
2012-12-08 04:39:50 PM  
I have to admit, the Scion iQ looks like a neat little car. However, in 6th gear, my Forte Koup gets 36.3mpg at 70mph.

My favorite vehicle that ive ever owned however, was a 2009 Nissan Frontier SE v-6. I cant wait for the redesigned model in 2014, bc Nissan is promising better fuel economy (which is why i had to get rid of my other one) with the same HP.

Looooved that truck, and was actually really upset to get rid of it.

Yeah, the sell a 4-banger version, but its too big of a truck for a 153hp engine. The 271hp v-6 made it TONS of fun to drive with the 6speed manual.
 
2012-12-08 04:45:37 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: Wherever I've lived it was illegal to park your car so that it overlapped two metered spaces.


Weeners
 
2012-12-08 04:47:33 PM  
www.skweegieisland.com
 
2012-12-08 04:55:10 PM  

Enemabag Jones: Reboot something like the vw bug from the 60's.


It's called the Toyota Corrolla, or the Hundai Elantra, or the Chevy Cruze, etc...

Better milage, orders of magnitude cleaner, safer, and reliable...
 
2012-12-08 05:00:28 PM  
Pepperjack:

Okay...that's actually kinda cool.
 
2012-12-08 05:18:46 PM  
"It's like I have the primo sweet spot," Melanson said. "I have parked here sometimes when there's just six inches on either end."

So she squeezed her car into a non-existent parking spot so as to not have to pay and only left the drivers who were legitimately parked there only 6 inches in which to maneuver their vehicles when leaving? And she's proud for doing it?

I wonder how she'll react when one of those cars dings hers because its turning radius is somewhat larger than 6 inches?
 
2012-12-08 05:19:26 PM  
I drive a Smart. Best comment
"Where's the one for your other foot?"
 
2012-12-08 05:19:42 PM  

Dwight_Yeast: jtown: She can't possibly think this is legal, can she? Guess who just became the target of every cop in Halifax.

Knowing the Canadians and their love of the disgusting notion of "fairness", I'm betting their traffic laws say that if you park in a legal space and there's no meter, you don't have to pay.

Here in the States, if you do that, you get a ticket; hell, I've seen people get tickets for not feeding the meter when the meter head was missing!


yep, if the meter is missing, you can't park there. the Meters are there for a reason. and if the meter is missing or malfunctioning, the space is unavailable.. simple as that.. and you WILL get a ticket if you park there. if you got a problem with it, you are more than welcome to defend yourself in traffic court over it.

and she is being a douche, and she has been ticketed for doing so, So, she KNOWS she is breaking the law.

add me to the ITG brigade on this one. but if I came out to my vehicle to see that someone has blocked me in like that. I will get out of my space, and your vehicle will most likely pay the consequences for it. And half the time I drive a ratty ass 1990, ALL METAL Dodge ram 150, it will win the argument.

ITG mode off.....

otherwise.. I don't mind the SMARTS so much.. the sainted bride wants one in Safety orange.. I threatened her that if she went that route that I would have the packaging shop we work with make me up some vinyl stickers and in the middle of the night decorate it up like the General Lee..

of course... she loved the idea, so Now I would be force to get a matching one, in Union grey, put an american Flag on top with "76" on the side and call it the General Grant.
 
2012-12-08 05:19:45 PM  

Dwight_Yeast



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2012-12-08 03:27:01 PM

Representative of the unwashed masses: Hey lady, if you squirm to get within 6 inches of the rear bumper of my pickup,

If you can't get out of a spot in the city with 6" on each end of your car, then you shouldn't be parking in the city.

A hint: the shorter the wheelbase, the easier it is to get out of a tight space.

This is what streets look like in my neighborhood:

www.boutell.com


YOU LIVE IN THE 1970'S ?!?!!?!!? AWESOME!!!!! ;D
 
2012-12-08 05:24:25 PM  
Greek: The Smart and iQ in Europe have all the same safety features. Besides, everything required under new NHTSA standards passed between 1980 and the present adds less than 190 pounds to the weight of the car. Airbags, side impact beams in the doors, etc, have NOTHING to do with reduced fuel efficiency. What DOES affect efficiency is that everyone expects to have a hot rod these days in the US. The average car today can accelerate from 0-60 MPH in less than 8 seconds. In 1982, the Chevy Corvette had a 0-60 time of 9.1 seconds. Nowadays, that would be considered slow for a midsize sedan. People consider anything over 10.5 to be dangerous, when 25 years ago, 11 seconds would have been called "zippy" in a family car.

True, but it's not all bad. Recent small cars have a quarter the engine and between half- and two-thirds the power, weigh up to 1000 pounds less, get twice the fuel mileage, and are anywhere between slightly and somewhat slower than the '82 Corvette. They don't publish I'm too lazy to try and find emissions numbers (CO2, NOx, etc.), but the newer cars are surely so much better their numbers would be negligible compared to the Vette.

Alternatively, the modern (cheap-ass) 200 hp range get comparable performance from, again, half the engine, with, again, considerably better fuel economy and emissions.

This doesn't help the MOAR CAR mindset you mentioned, but that's because many people here aren't willing to make the tradeoff of power/size for economy, even at a lower price. This also means that some of the serious eco engines aren't available here because I don't think they meet US emissions, and it's not worth it to the manufacturers to make them compliant, because they won't sell nearly enough units. Still, it's an improvement.
 
2012-12-08 05:32:48 PM  
Atypical Person Reading Fark: I saw his post more as a commentary on supply and demand.

When demand goes down, price goes down. Am I right? So when we all stop eating meat, meat doesn't go away - but it gets cheaper and the people who do eat it get more of it...


Well, yes... but...

Am I missing something?

Spite.
 
2012-12-08 05:37:53 PM  

aninconvenienterection: do you live in the 70s?


It's South Philly, so more or less, yes.

/My neighbors have his-and-hers Lincoln Towncars. They're retired and never go anywhere without each other. There's a guy up the block who kept his '62 Coupe de Ville on the streets for the last few years (never understood how he found a spot big enough for that beast on a regular basis).

rkelley25: I drive a Smart. Best comment
"Where's the one for your other foot?"


That was originally said about the Nash Metropolitan, which is an awesome car.
 
2012-12-08 05:40:53 PM  

kim jong-un: Dwight_Yeast: jtown: She can't possibly think this is legal, can she? Guess who just became the target of every cop in Halifax.

Knowing the Canadians and their love of the disgusting notion of "fairness", I'm betting their traffic laws say that if you park in a legal space and there's no meter, you don't have to pay.

Here in the States, if you do that, you get a ticket; hell, I've seen people get tickets for not feeding the meter when the meter head was missing!

I got a ticket while walking from my car to the multi space meter.


Let me guess: ParkAtlanta?
 
2012-12-08 05:42:28 PM  

Dwight_Yeast: While a motorcycle can be a good option when it comes to parking, it can't help when you're bringing home a big load of groceries or taking your lab (or any medium or large-size dog) to the vet. And they're really only practical as year-round vehicles if you live below the frost zone.


Sure, but you need a dog about as much as you need a full-lane vehicle. I can carry two weeks of groceries for myself on my bike, without a backpack, or loading it down that heavily - room left for a case of beer.

If you live that far north, well, sucks to be you, I guess. You're burning the fark out of fuel to stay alive in the cooler months up there anyway, so if you want to be green and/or efficient, that isn't the place to be.
 
2012-12-08 05:47:48 PM  

aninconvenienterection: Dwight_Yeast: Representative of the unwashed masses: Hey lady, if you squirm to get within 6 inches of the rear bumper of my pickup,

If you can't get out of a spot in the city with 6" on each end of your car, then you shouldn't be parking in the city.

A hint: the shorter the wheelbase, the easier it is to get out of a tight space.

This is what streets look like in my neighborhood:

[www.boutell.com image 450x338]
One lane of traffic, one of parking. Some of the smaller side streets are barely wide enough to get a car down.

Microcars make sense here, and my neighbors are buying them.

do you live in the 70s?


looks like Baltimore, with less crack and fire...

I inhearited both my trucks.. the mentioned early 90s dodge ex county work truck and a 2002 F150. I also up until recently lived in the city and had to Parallel park those girls reguraly.. and got very good at it..

they are economical for me because I Don't have a payment on either of them.. And I do, do work with them. and my commute is onle about five minutes via the highway usually, so they are not terribly expensive to operate.

I just wish one of them was a diesel so I could do the used french fry oil thing. I may end up one day getting an old Diesel VW rabbit just so I can play around like that, and it might end up a general commuter vehicle because of that reason..

yes, I do know there is more to it than just gassing up with used fry oil....
 
2012-12-08 06:13:25 PM  
ph0rk
Sure, but you need a dog about as much as you need a full-lane vehicle. I can carry two weeks of groceries for myself on my bike, without a backpack, or loading it down that heavily - room left for a case of beer.


Gotta ask how?
 
2012-12-08 06:14:29 PM  

ph0rk: Sure, but you need a dog about as much as you need a full-lane vehicle. I can carry two weeks of groceries for myself on my bike, without a backpack, or loading it down that heavily - room left for a case of beer.


I happen to like dogs, but I don't think that they should be left alone (how insane are we to take a pack animal into our life and then leave it by itself all day) and not owning a car means I have to consider small breeds who wouldn't mind bike rides if I get one.

I usually do my grocery shopping on my bike, and just sling the bags on the handlebars. I really need to get a utility bike so I can bring a reasonable load home without a car.

As far as winter cycling goes, Global Warming has turned out to be a boon: we've only had a couple days below 40 degrees this winter. Yesterday it was in the 60s!
 
2012-12-08 06:15:55 PM  

Enemabag Jones: ph0rk
Sure, but you need a dog about as much as you need a full-lane vehicle. I can carry two weeks of groceries for myself on my bike, without a backpack, or loading it down that heavily - room left for a case of beer.

Gotta ask how?


My guess:

www.mydutchbike.com
 
2012-12-08 06:28:27 PM  
i42.photobucket.com
 
2012-12-08 07:13:06 PM  
Here there are fewer and fewer meters. One electronic meter that spits out a receipt with time expiration on it to put on your dash. No spaces, just one long curb.

All may park, all must pay.
 
2012-12-08 07:44:27 PM  

Dwight_Yeast: jtown: She can't possibly think this is legal, can she? Guess who just became the target of every cop in Halifax.

Knowing the Canadians and their love of the disgusting notion of "fairness", I'm betting their traffic laws say that if you park in a legal space and there's no meter, you don't have to pay.

Here in the States, if you do that, you get a ticket; hell, I've seen people get tickets for not feeding the meter when the meter head was missing!


I think that's because if the meter is broken, it ceases to be a legal parking spot. As to parking between meters, in my city she would get towed. All the meters read "front bumper here" on the pole.
 
2012-12-08 08:28:39 PM  

RINO:
I think that's because if the meter is broken, it ceases to be a legal parking spot. As to parking between meters, in my city she would get towed. All the meters read "front bumper here" on the pole.


Which means you have pull-in only parking. In places which do, a mircocar doesn't buy you anything.

What she's doing is using wasted space on streets with parallel parking. Even in my city there are places where there's half a car-length between a meter and the last sign defining the end of the parking area, the sort of place you pull in if you're dropping someone off, but which you couldn't legally park.
 
2012-12-08 08:30:58 PM  
That won't work here in Sacramento. The parking gestapo are so bad here, they will ticket you for parking not completely within the lines of a metered zone, even when it impedes no one, even when it's outside the hours of meter operation, and EVEN WHEN IT'S OUTSIDE OF LEGAL PARKING HOURS AND THEY'VE ALREADY GIVEN YOU A TICKET FOR THERE BEING NO PARKING ALLOWED DURING THAT TIME.
 
2012-12-08 10:45:59 PM  
When I was a kid in Bermuda, my dad had a Subaru Rex .... funny looking, but very practical and 70 mpg(Imp). 2 cylinder 790cc 4 stroke (special large engine for export markets, original is built to Japan's kei car rules), 4 speed manual. Taught myself to drive in it at age 12. Good times.

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2012-12-08 10:51:41 PM  
Not apparent from the photo, but it's the same size as an original Mini, about 3m (10ft) long. IIRC Kei rules are
 
2012-12-09 12:59:22 AM  
and get run over by an SUV
 
2012-12-09 09:51:57 AM  
www.kungfuquip.com

Plant one of these next to her car.
Problem Solved.
 
2012-12-09 11:26:14 AM  
i.imgur.com
Amateurs.

wildcardjack: I tried out a Smart, I managed to cram my 6'5" 350 pound bulk into the car and closed the door. I asked the salesman where the steering wheel adjustment was and he blanked out. I was actually okay except my left knee was jammed between the door and the steering wheel and the dash. Other than not being able to turn the wheel it was almost doable. About as bad as a Corolla.


i.imgur.com
If you're a 6-foot-4, 320-pound defender in the NFL, you can get away with a lot. San Diego Chargers nose tackle Antonio Garay already pulls off graffiti-styled dye jobs (à la Dennis Rodman) on the regular, but driving a Hello Kitty smart car onto the field? That takes it to a different place...
 
2012-12-09 11:58:58 AM  
The Fiat 500 is better than the smart fortwo.
 
2012-12-09 02:28:03 PM  

Gleeman: [i.imgur.com image 300x380]
Amateurs.

wildcardjack: I tried out a Smart, I managed to cram my 6'5" 350 pound bulk into the car and closed the door. I asked the salesman where the steering wheel adjustment was and he blanked out. I was actually okay except my left knee was jammed between the door and the steering wheel and the dash. Other than not being able to turn the wheel it was almost doable. About as bad as a Corolla.

[i.imgur.com image 520x297]
If you're a 6-foot-4, 320-pound defender in the NFL, you can get away with a lot. San Diego Chargers nose tackle Antonio Garay already pulls off graffiti-styled dye jobs (à la Dennis Rodman) on the regular, but driving a Hello Kitty smart car onto the field? That takes it to a different place...


Muscle take up a lot less space than blubber
 
2012-12-09 10:40:09 PM  

ParaHandy



When I was a kid in Bermuda, my dad had a Subaru Rex .... funny looking, but very practical and 70 mpg(Imp). 2 cylinder 790cc 4 stroke (special large engine for export markets, original is built to Japan's kei car rules), 4 speed manual. Taught myself to drive in it at age 12. Good times.


2 CYLINDER?!!?

wow, and I thought a 3 cyl. Geo Metro was sluggish! What did it do..... 0-60 in 10 mins?

that car is almost like a lawnmower! haaha

pretty cute though.
 
2012-12-09 11:01:56 PM  

Third_Uncle_Eno: ParaHandy


When I was a kid in Bermuda, my dad had a Subaru Rex .... funny looking, but very practical and 70 mpg(Imp). 2 cylinder 790cc 4 stroke (special large engine for export markets, original is built to Japan's kei car rules), 4 speed manual. Taught myself to drive in it at age 12. Good times.

2 CYLINDER?!!?

wow, and I thought a 3 cyl. Geo Metro was sluggish! What did it do..... 0-60 in 10 mins?

that car is almost like a lawnmower! haaha

pretty cute though.


It's quicker than it looks .... that 790 was good for about 40 hp, and the car weighs naff all, maybe 500kg. 0-60 in about 13 sec, adequate for a country where the highest speed limit is 20.
 
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