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2012-12-08 03:58:17 PM
Dwight_Yeast
Enemabag Jones: Not cheap for a second car.
...and we're back to the problem of the American suburban mindset. People who live in cities (like this woman) aren't buying microcars as "second cars". They're buying them as their only car.


I am not talking a 'suburban mindset' where you have to have the kids not sit next to each other because they fight, carry that megaload of toilet paper from costco or have that vacation vehicle 'just in case'.

I am talking about being able to move around a large laundry or a full week's groceries.

I wanted a Tiberon, but thought about how functional it would be to do things I had to do in my car. So instead I bought a ford excursion.

/The ford excursion is a joke, but should have got a 4 cylinder vs a 6.
 
2012-12-08 04:05:40 PM
I tried out a Smart, I managed to cram my 6'5" 350 pound bulk into the car and closed the door. I asked the salesman where the steering wheel adjustment was and he blanked out. I was actually okay except my left knee was jammed between the door and the steering wheel and the dash. Other than not being able to turn the wheel it was almost doable. About as bad as a Corolla.
 
2012-12-08 04:13:20 PM

wildcardjack: I tried out a Smart, I managed to cram my 6'5" 350 pound bulk into the car and closed the door.


There was a fat guy in my neighborhood growing up who drove a Fiero. It took him five minutes to get into the car every morning and the steering wheel cut into his gut. I could never understand why he didn't buy a car that fit him.

I like you, so I'll point out the obvious: you're not most people. Average height of the American male is something like 5' 8".

Enemabag Jones: I am talking about being able to move around a large laundry or a full week's groceries.


I'm pretty sure that you could get a week's worth of groceries for two people into a Smart. Or you can do the European thing and shop for stuff as you need it, rather than doing all your shopping at once. I tend to go to the grocery store (I use Acme, Whole Foods and Trader Joe's) about three times a week. The Acme is three blocks from my house, and it's small enough I can run in get what I need and not get overwhelmed with "shopping".
 
2012-12-08 04:18:43 PM
Dwight_Yeast ,
Enemabag Jones: I am talking about being able to move around a large laundry or a full week's groceries.
I'm pretty sure that you could get a week's worth of groceries for two people into a Smart. Or you can do the European thing and shop for stuff as you need it, rather than doing all your shopping at once. I tend to go to the grocery store (I use Acme, Whole Foods and Trader Joe's) about three times a week. The Acme is three blocks from my house, and it's small enough I can run in get what I need and not get overwhelmed with "shopping".


I have read that the smart was really designed around European expectations and lifestyles. I want to see a small, simple car that works for American lifestyles. Reboot something like the vw bug from the 60's.
 
2012-12-08 04:32:51 PM

Dwight_Yeast: aukutsutsu: It is well worth paying to park to drive the car I drive instead of a Smart car. Also, I enjoy stepping on it next to a Prius or similar car. For every gallon of gas you don't burn, I will use it to give me joy. Sort of like vegetarianism, where I will eat two animals for every animal you don't eat.

Why? You do understand that there's a difference between the freedom to do whatever you want and simply wasting resources, don't you?

My grandfather -a die-hard Republican, who started his life as a farmer- used to quote something his grandfather said: "Use it up, wear it out, make it do or do without."

That's real conservatism.


I saw his post more as a commentary on supply and demand.

When demand goes down, price goes down. Am I right? So when we all stop eating meat, meat doesn't go away - but it gets cheaper and the people who do eat it get more of it...

Am I missing something?
 
2012-12-08 04:35:25 PM

Dwight_Yeast: Representative of the unwashed masses: Hey lady, if you squirm to get within 6 inches of the rear bumper of my pickup,

If you can't get out of a spot in the city with 6" on each end of your car, then you shouldn't be parking in the city.

A hint: the shorter the wheelbase, the easier it is to get out of a tight space.

This is what streets look like in my neighborhood:

[www.boutell.com image 450x338]
One lane of traffic, one of parking. Some of the smaller side streets are barely wide enough to get a car down.

Microcars make sense here, and my neighbors are buying them.


do you live in the 70s?
 
2012-12-08 04:39:50 PM
I have to admit, the Scion iQ looks like a neat little car. However, in 6th gear, my Forte Koup gets 36.3mpg at 70mph.

My favorite vehicle that ive ever owned however, was a 2009 Nissan Frontier SE v-6. I cant wait for the redesigned model in 2014, bc Nissan is promising better fuel economy (which is why i had to get rid of my other one) with the same HP.

Looooved that truck, and was actually really upset to get rid of it.

Yeah, the sell a 4-banger version, but its too big of a truck for a 153hp engine. The 271hp v-6 made it TONS of fun to drive with the 6speed manual.
 
2012-12-08 04:45:37 PM

BarkingUnicorn: Wherever I've lived it was illegal to park your car so that it overlapped two metered spaces.


Weeners
 
2012-12-08 04:47:33 PM
www.skweegieisland.com
 
2012-12-08 04:55:10 PM

Enemabag Jones: Reboot something like the vw bug from the 60's.


It's called the Toyota Corrolla, or the Hundai Elantra, or the Chevy Cruze, etc...

Better milage, orders of magnitude cleaner, safer, and reliable...
 
2012-12-08 05:00:28 PM

Pepperjack:


Okay...that's actually kinda cool.
 
2012-12-08 05:18:46 PM
"It's like I have the primo sweet spot," Melanson said. "I have parked here sometimes when there's just six inches on either end."

So she squeezed her car into a non-existent parking spot so as to not have to pay and only left the drivers who were legitimately parked there only 6 inches in which to maneuver their vehicles when leaving? And she's proud for doing it?

I wonder how she'll react when one of those cars dings hers because its turning radius is somewhat larger than 6 inches?
 
2012-12-08 05:19:26 PM
I drive a Smart. Best comment
"Where's the one for your other foot?"
 
2012-12-08 05:19:42 PM

Dwight_Yeast: jtown: She can't possibly think this is legal, can she? Guess who just became the target of every cop in Halifax.

Knowing the Canadians and their love of the disgusting notion of "fairness", I'm betting their traffic laws say that if you park in a legal space and there's no meter, you don't have to pay.

Here in the States, if you do that, you get a ticket; hell, I've seen people get tickets for not feeding the meter when the meter head was missing!


yep, if the meter is missing, you can't park there. the Meters are there for a reason. and if the meter is missing or malfunctioning, the space is unavailable.. simple as that.. and you WILL get a ticket if you park there. if you got a problem with it, you are more than welcome to defend yourself in traffic court over it.

and she is being a douche, and she has been ticketed for doing so, So, she KNOWS she is breaking the law.

add me to the ITG brigade on this one. but if I came out to my vehicle to see that someone has blocked me in like that. I will get out of my space, and your vehicle will most likely pay the consequences for it. And half the time I drive a ratty ass 1990, ALL METAL Dodge ram 150, it will win the argument.

ITG mode off.....

otherwise.. I don't mind the SMARTS so much.. the sainted bride wants one in Safety orange.. I threatened her that if she went that route that I would have the packaging shop we work with make me up some vinyl stickers and in the middle of the night decorate it up like the General Lee..

of course... she loved the idea, so Now I would be force to get a matching one, in Union grey, put an american Flag on top with "76" on the side and call it the General Grant.
 
2012-12-08 05:19:45 PM

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2012-12-08 03:27:01 PM

Representative of the unwashed masses: Hey lady, if you squirm to get within 6 inches of the rear bumper of my pickup,

If you can't get out of a spot in the city with 6" on each end of your car, then you shouldn't be parking in the city.

A hint: the shorter the wheelbase, the easier it is to get out of a tight space.

This is what streets look like in my neighborhood:

www.boutell.com


YOU LIVE IN THE 1970'S ?!?!!?!!? AWESOME!!!!! ;D
 
2012-12-08 05:24:25 PM
Greek: The Smart and iQ in Europe have all the same safety features. Besides, everything required under new NHTSA standards passed between 1980 and the present adds less than 190 pounds to the weight of the car. Airbags, side impact beams in the doors, etc, have NOTHING to do with reduced fuel efficiency. What DOES affect efficiency is that everyone expects to have a hot rod these days in the US. The average car today can accelerate from 0-60 MPH in less than 8 seconds. In 1982, the Chevy Corvette had a 0-60 time of 9.1 seconds. Nowadays, that would be considered slow for a midsize sedan. People consider anything over 10.5 to be dangerous, when 25 years ago, 11 seconds would have been called "zippy" in a family car.

True, but it's not all bad. Recent small cars have a quarter the engine and between half- and two-thirds the power, weigh up to 1000 pounds less, get twice the fuel mileage, and are anywhere between slightly and somewhat slower than the '82 Corvette. They don't publish I'm too lazy to try and find emissions numbers (CO2, NOx, etc.), but the newer cars are surely so much better their numbers would be negligible compared to the Vette.

Alternatively, the modern (cheap-ass) 200 hp range get comparable performance from, again, half the engine, with, again, considerably better fuel economy and emissions.

This doesn't help the MOAR CAR mindset you mentioned, but that's because many people here aren't willing to make the tradeoff of power/size for economy, even at a lower price. This also means that some of the serious eco engines aren't available here because I don't think they meet US emissions, and it's not worth it to the manufacturers to make them compliant, because they won't sell nearly enough units. Still, it's an improvement.
 
2012-12-08 05:32:48 PM
Atypical Person Reading Fark: I saw his post more as a commentary on supply and demand.

When demand goes down, price goes down. Am I right? So when we all stop eating meat, meat doesn't go away - but it gets cheaper and the people who do eat it get more of it...


Well, yes... but...

Am I missing something?

Spite.
 
2012-12-08 05:37:53 PM

aninconvenienterection: do you live in the 70s?


It's South Philly, so more or less, yes.

/My neighbors have his-and-hers Lincoln Towncars. They're retired and never go anywhere without each other. There's a guy up the block who kept his '62 Coupe de Ville on the streets for the last few years (never understood how he found a spot big enough for that beast on a regular basis).

rkelley25: I drive a Smart. Best comment
"Where's the one for your other foot?"


That was originally said about the Nash Metropolitan, which is an awesome car.
 
2012-12-08 05:40:53 PM

kim jong-un: Dwight_Yeast: jtown: She can't possibly think this is legal, can she? Guess who just became the target of every cop in Halifax.

Knowing the Canadians and their love of the disgusting notion of "fairness", I'm betting their traffic laws say that if you park in a legal space and there's no meter, you don't have to pay.

Here in the States, if you do that, you get a ticket; hell, I've seen people get tickets for not feeding the meter when the meter head was missing!

I got a ticket while walking from my car to the multi space meter.


Let me guess: ParkAtlanta?
 
2012-12-08 05:42:28 PM

Dwight_Yeast: While a motorcycle can be a good option when it comes to parking, it can't help when you're bringing home a big load of groceries or taking your lab (or any medium or large-size dog) to the vet. And they're really only practical as year-round vehicles if you live below the frost zone.


Sure, but you need a dog about as much as you need a full-lane vehicle. I can carry two weeks of groceries for myself on my bike, without a backpack, or loading it down that heavily - room left for a case of beer.

If you live that far north, well, sucks to be you, I guess. You're burning the fark out of fuel to stay alive in the cooler months up there anyway, so if you want to be green and/or efficient, that isn't the place to be.
 
2012-12-08 05:47:48 PM

aninconvenienterection: Dwight_Yeast: Representative of the unwashed masses: Hey lady, if you squirm to get within 6 inches of the rear bumper of my pickup,

If you can't get out of a spot in the city with 6" on each end of your car, then you shouldn't be parking in the city.

A hint: the shorter the wheelbase, the easier it is to get out of a tight space.

This is what streets look like in my neighborhood:

[www.boutell.com image 450x338]
One lane of traffic, one of parking. Some of the smaller side streets are barely wide enough to get a car down.

Microcars make sense here, and my neighbors are buying them.

do you live in the 70s?


looks like Baltimore, with less crack and fire...

I inhearited both my trucks.. the mentioned early 90s dodge ex county work truck and a 2002 F150. I also up until recently lived in the city and had to Parallel park those girls reguraly.. and got very good at it..

they are economical for me because I Don't have a payment on either of them.. And I do, do work with them. and my commute is onle about five minutes via the highway usually, so they are not terribly expensive to operate.

I just wish one of them was a diesel so I could do the used french fry oil thing. I may end up one day getting an old Diesel VW rabbit just so I can play around like that, and it might end up a general commuter vehicle because of that reason..

yes, I do know there is more to it than just gassing up with used fry oil....
 
2012-12-08 06:13:25 PM
ph0rk
Sure, but you need a dog about as much as you need a full-lane vehicle. I can carry two weeks of groceries for myself on my bike, without a backpack, or loading it down that heavily - room left for a case of beer.


Gotta ask how?
 
2012-12-08 06:14:29 PM

ph0rk: Sure, but you need a dog about as much as you need a full-lane vehicle. I can carry two weeks of groceries for myself on my bike, without a backpack, or loading it down that heavily - room left for a case of beer.


I happen to like dogs, but I don't think that they should be left alone (how insane are we to take a pack animal into our life and then leave it by itself all day) and not owning a car means I have to consider small breeds who wouldn't mind bike rides if I get one.

I usually do my grocery shopping on my bike, and just sling the bags on the handlebars. I really need to get a utility bike so I can bring a reasonable load home without a car.

As far as winter cycling goes, Global Warming has turned out to be a boon: we've only had a couple days below 40 degrees this winter. Yesterday it was in the 60s!
 
2012-12-08 06:15:55 PM

Enemabag Jones: ph0rk
Sure, but you need a dog about as much as you need a full-lane vehicle. I can carry two weeks of groceries for myself on my bike, without a backpack, or loading it down that heavily - room left for a case of beer.

Gotta ask how?


My guess:

www.mydutchbike.com
 
2012-12-08 06:28:27 PM
i42.photobucket.com
 
2012-12-08 07:13:06 PM
Here there are fewer and fewer meters. One electronic meter that spits out a receipt with time expiration on it to put on your dash. No spaces, just one long curb.

All may park, all must pay.
 
2012-12-08 07:44:27 PM

Dwight_Yeast: jtown: She can't possibly think this is legal, can she? Guess who just became the target of every cop in Halifax.

Knowing the Canadians and their love of the disgusting notion of "fairness", I'm betting their traffic laws say that if you park in a legal space and there's no meter, you don't have to pay.

Here in the States, if you do that, you get a ticket; hell, I've seen people get tickets for not feeding the meter when the meter head was missing!


I think that's because if the meter is broken, it ceases to be a legal parking spot. As to parking between meters, in my city she would get towed. All the meters read "front bumper here" on the pole.
 
2012-12-08 08:28:39 PM

RINO:
I think that's because if the meter is broken, it ceases to be a legal parking spot. As to parking between meters, in my city she would get towed. All the meters read "front bumper here" on the pole.


Which means you have pull-in only parking. In places which do, a mircocar doesn't buy you anything.

What she's doing is using wasted space on streets with parallel parking. Even in my city there are places where there's half a car-length between a meter and the last sign defining the end of the parking area, the sort of place you pull in if you're dropping someone off, but which you couldn't legally park.
 
2012-12-08 08:30:58 PM
That won't work here in Sacramento. The parking gestapo are so bad here, they will ticket you for parking not completely within the lines of a metered zone, even when it impedes no one, even when it's outside the hours of meter operation, and EVEN WHEN IT'S OUTSIDE OF LEGAL PARKING HOURS AND THEY'VE ALREADY GIVEN YOU A TICKET FOR THERE BEING NO PARKING ALLOWED DURING THAT TIME.
 
2012-12-08 10:45:59 PM
When I was a kid in Bermuda, my dad had a Subaru Rex .... funny looking, but very practical and 70 mpg(Imp). 2 cylinder 790cc 4 stroke (special large engine for export markets, original is built to Japan's kei car rules), 4 speed manual. Taught myself to drive in it at age 12. Good times.

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2012-12-08 10:51:41 PM
Not apparent from the photo, but it's the same size as an original Mini, about 3m (10ft) long. IIRC Kei rules are
 
2012-12-09 12:59:22 AM
and get run over by an SUV
 
2012-12-09 09:51:57 AM
www.kungfuquip.com

Plant one of these next to her car.
Problem Solved.
 
2012-12-09 11:26:14 AM
i.imgur.com
Amateurs.

wildcardjack: I tried out a Smart, I managed to cram my 6'5" 350 pound bulk into the car and closed the door. I asked the salesman where the steering wheel adjustment was and he blanked out. I was actually okay except my left knee was jammed between the door and the steering wheel and the dash. Other than not being able to turn the wheel it was almost doable. About as bad as a Corolla.


i.imgur.com
If you're a 6-foot-4, 320-pound defender in the NFL, you can get away with a lot. San Diego Chargers nose tackle Antonio Garay already pulls off graffiti-styled dye jobs (à la Dennis Rodman) on the regular, but driving a Hello Kitty smart car onto the field? That takes it to a different place...
 
2012-12-09 11:58:58 AM
The Fiat 500 is better than the smart fortwo.
 
2012-12-09 02:28:03 PM

Gleeman: [i.imgur.com image 300x380]
Amateurs.

wildcardjack: I tried out a Smart, I managed to cram my 6'5" 350 pound bulk into the car and closed the door. I asked the salesman where the steering wheel adjustment was and he blanked out. I was actually okay except my left knee was jammed between the door and the steering wheel and the dash. Other than not being able to turn the wheel it was almost doable. About as bad as a Corolla.

[i.imgur.com image 520x297]
If you're a 6-foot-4, 320-pound defender in the NFL, you can get away with a lot. San Diego Chargers nose tackle Antonio Garay already pulls off graffiti-styled dye jobs (à la Dennis Rodman) on the regular, but driving a Hello Kitty smart car onto the field? That takes it to a different place...


Muscle take up a lot less space than blubber
 
2012-12-09 10:40:09 PM

ParaHandy



When I was a kid in Bermuda, my dad had a Subaru Rex .... funny looking, but very practical and 70 mpg(Imp). 2 cylinder 790cc 4 stroke (special large engine for export markets, original is built to Japan's kei car rules), 4 speed manual. Taught myself to drive in it at age 12. Good times.


2 CYLINDER?!!?

wow, and I thought a 3 cyl. Geo Metro was sluggish! What did it do..... 0-60 in 10 mins?

that car is almost like a lawnmower! haaha

pretty cute though.
 
2012-12-09 11:01:56 PM

Third_Uncle_Eno: ParaHandy


When I was a kid in Bermuda, my dad had a Subaru Rex .... funny looking, but very practical and 70 mpg(Imp). 2 cylinder 790cc 4 stroke (special large engine for export markets, original is built to Japan's kei car rules), 4 speed manual. Taught myself to drive in it at age 12. Good times.

2 CYLINDER?!!?

wow, and I thought a 3 cyl. Geo Metro was sluggish! What did it do..... 0-60 in 10 mins?

that car is almost like a lawnmower! haaha

pretty cute though.


It's quicker than it looks .... that 790 was good for about 40 hp, and the car weighs naff all, maybe 500kg. 0-60 in about 13 sec, adequate for a country where the highest speed limit is 20.
 
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