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2012-12-08 08:44:05 AM  
www.i-mockery.com 

www.samstoybox.com

www.i-mockery.com
 
2012-12-08 10:00:09 AM  
Just buy your son a toaster oven. Since they aren't dumb like little girls, they can handle the responsibility of a real appliance.
 
2012-12-08 10:05:08 AM  

Because People in power are Stupid: [www.i-mockery.com image 379x199] 

[www.samstoybox.com image 550x392]

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You know, that's a hell of a user name for a post that simply contains pictures of Corporate America/Europe/China/Where Ever They Make Those Stupid Things believing that little boys are made of frogs, snails, and puppy dog tails and therefore can only be enticed by "foaming drool" and "mud n crud cake". It just saves you the time and effort to actually have to comment and says everything that needs to be said about it.
 
Pud
2012-12-08 10:13:35 AM  
By the time I was 13 I was able to use the kitchen stove to cook a meal for myself and friends. Although I usually preferred fried bologna and cheese sandwiches with hot soup.

/I never said I was into good nutrition.
//MMmmmm fried bologna & cheese sammiches
 
2012-12-08 10:25:52 AM  

The_Y2P_Problem: You know, that's a hell of a user name for a post that simply contains pictures


bbsimg.ngfiles.com

The_Y2P_Problem: here Ever They Make Those Stupid Things believing that little boys are made of frogs, snails, and puppy dog tails and therefore can only be enticed by "foaming drool" and "mud n crud cake". It just saves you the time and effort to actually have to comment and says everything that needs to be said about it.


Boys Vs. Girls Marketing Words

The accusation is that marketing is driving people's behavior but the truth is that marketing spends a lot of time researching human behavior trends and then reacting to it. Much of it is defunct - like that toy which they no longer make.
 
2012-12-08 10:49:34 AM  

fiver5: Just buy your son a toaster oven. Since they aren't dumb like little girls, they can handle the responsibility of a real appliance.


Damn.

I thought I came here to troll.....
 
2012-12-08 11:00:35 AM  

The_Y2P_Problem: a post that simply contains pictures of Corporate America/Europe/China/Where Ever They Make Those Stupid Things


Here kids we have an example of poor trolling. The troll just leaps on a specific innocuous post revealing that the troll has not read the article and can't tell the difference between an opinion and an illustration.

fiver5: Just buy your son a toaster oven. Since they aren't dumb like little girls, they can handle the responsibility of a real appliance.


This is better - a little obvious but if you catch somebody with a hang-over they might fall for it.
 
2012-12-08 11:05:33 AM  

quickdraw: The_Y2P_Problem: a post that simply contains pictures of Corporate America/Europe/China/Where Ever They Make Those Stupid Things

Here kids we have an example of poor trolling. The troll just leaps on a specific innocuous post revealing that the troll has not read the article and can't tell the difference between an opinion and an illustration.


Nah, just maybe not making my point very well. I wasn't badmouthing the guy; I was actually amused by the joke and complimenting him.
 
2012-12-08 11:32:38 AM  
Asinine tag taking some much deserved time off huh
 
2012-12-08 11:37:28 AM  
I taught myself to cook on the stove starting when I was 6. Kids don't need special appliances. They need adults to teach them how to handle a real kitchen. Trolling aside, I'm teaching a friend's kid to cook using a Breville countertop convection oven (toaster-oven-sized, roughly). We've made cakes, pies, pizza, pot pie... and her mom is thrilled she's learning basic skills like pie crust, sponge method, yeasted dough and kneading, etc. No knife work yet, she's only 8 - only adults handle the big knives. But she's a real champ in the litchen - all it takes is an adult showing some interest, and permission to eat the delicious results.
 
2012-12-08 11:48:10 AM  
Hasbro is one of the largest toy companies in the world, I guarantee you they've already done the market research on this and if there was a big enough market for a boys easy bake over they would already be making one.
 
2012-12-08 11:50:37 AM  

ReapTheChaos: if there was a big enough market for a boys easy bake over they would already be making one.


Yes, see above effort.
 
2012-12-08 12:07:14 PM  

ReapTheChaos: Hasbro is one of the largest toy companies in the world, I guarantee you they've already done the market research on this and if there was a big enough market for a boys easy bake over they would already be making one.


You're speaking reactively. Proactive companies make markets, not just wait for them to already exist before they attempt to fill the need.
15 years ago, people like you would say that there wasn't a big enough market for video games for women. Now, for certain platforms and age groups, women make up the majority of gamers, and half of all game purchases are by women.
Similarly, Hasbro has the choice to either sit with their thumb up their ass, like you'd have them do, or seize the opportunity and double the potential market for the Easy Bake. Get a few celebrity chef endorsements, market a "Hell's Kitchen" Easy Bake, etc., and they could be raking it in.
 
2012-12-08 12:10:48 PM  
I wouldn't waste my money re-designing and re-branding something that was bringing me as much revenue as I wanted. Build your own boy toy, little girl.
 
2012-12-08 12:11:15 PM  
It's an oven... how can it be made more "boy friendly?" Are they going to put a glory hole in it?
 
2012-12-08 12:16:30 PM  
It's all part of the homosexual agenda to vaginafy American boys.
 
2012-12-08 12:16:45 PM  
You know who else's fascist movement had intentions of getting more people into ovens?
 
2012-12-08 12:17:36 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: I wouldn't waste my money re-designing and re-branding something that was bringing me as much revenue as I wanted.


"Sorry, shareholders, we've decided that we've got as much revenue as we want. No new product designs, no expansion. We're just going to sit on our laurels and embrace that steady inflation-based growt- hey, where are you all going?"
 
2012-12-08 12:23:48 PM  
celebrity chef Bobby Flay, who owned an Easy-Bake Oven as a boy...

Why does this not surprise me?
 
2012-12-08 12:30:21 PM  

Theaetetus: ReapTheChaos: Hasbro is one of the largest toy companies in the world, I guarantee you they've already done the market research on this and if there was a big enough market for a boys easy bake over they would already be making one.

You're speaking reactively. Proactive companies make markets, not just wait for them to already exist before they attempt to fill the need.
15 years ago, people like you would say that there wasn't a big enough market for video games for women. Now, for certain platforms and age groups, women make up the majority of gamers, and half of all game purchases are by women.
Similarly, Hasbro has the choice to either sit with their thumb up their ass, like you'd have them do, or seize the opportunity and double the potential market for the Easy Bake. Get a few celebrity chef endorsements, market a "Hell's Kitchen" Easy Bake, etc., and they could be raking it in.


I don't know where you got your info on video games. It's true, there are a lot of female gamers out there, but there are very few games actually made for them. Excluding RPG's where you can choose the sex of your character, 99% of all games have a male protagonist. I can count on one hand how many mainstream games have had a female as the main character, and none of them were very successful.

I'd also be interested in where you got that half of all games are bought by women, there may very well be a lot of female gamers, but not that many. If that many games are being bought by women they're buying them as a gift for a guy.
 
2012-12-08 12:44:54 PM  

ReapTheChaos: Theaetetus: ReapTheChaos: Hasbro is one of the largest toy companies in the world, I guarantee you they've already done the market research on this and if there was a big enough market for a boys easy bake over they would already be making one.

You're speaking reactively. Proactive companies make markets, not just wait for them to already exist before they attempt to fill the need.
15 years ago, people like you would say that there wasn't a big enough market for video games for women. Now, for certain platforms and age groups, women make up the majority of gamers, and half of all game purchases are by women.
Similarly, Hasbro has the choice to either sit with their thumb up their ass, like you'd have them do, or seize the opportunity and double the potential market for the Easy Bake. Get a few celebrity chef endorsements, market a "Hell's Kitchen" Easy Bake, etc., and they could be raking it in.

I don't know where you got your info on video games. It's true, there are a lot of female gamers out there, but there are very few games actually made for them. Excluding RPG's where you can choose the sex of your character, 99% of all games have a male protagonist. I can count on one hand how many mainstream games have had a female as the main character, and none of them were very successful.

I'd also be interested in where you got that half of all games are bought by women, there may very well be a lot of female gamers, but not that many. If that many games are being bought by women they're buying them as a gift for a guy.


Just a guess - you're focusing on console/PC games and ignoring mobile games and web games?

/numbers come from the ESA among others
 
2012-12-08 12:48:06 PM  
Oh, and I agree - very few games are made for women, and in particular, the lack of female protagonists has really hampered growth on PC and console gaming. Customization is really lacking, and surprisingly so in areas where it's irrelevant. In Madden 13, for example, you can create a new coach for the career mode... but said coach cannot be female. Disappointing in an era where 40% of NFL fans are female.
 
2012-12-08 12:51:37 PM  
If I'd had one of these as a kid, I'd probably have used it to see what I could catch on fire.
 
2012-12-08 01:05:40 PM  

Theaetetus: Oh, and I agree - very few games are made for women, and in particular, the lack of female protagonists has really hampered growth on PC and console gaming. Customization is really lacking, and surprisingly so in areas where it's irrelevant. In Madden 13, for example, you can create a new coach for the career mode... but said coach cannot be female. Disappointing in an era where 40% of NFL fans are female.


What really chaps my hide are that there are no female football players. The scouts don't even look at the female leagues. (http://iwflsports.com/). Equal opportunity I say.
 
2012-12-08 01:16:59 PM  

Because People in power are Stupid: The accusation is that marketing is driving people's behavior but the truth is that marketing spends a lot of time researching human behavior trends and then reacting to it


Positive Feedback Loop.
 
2012-12-08 01:18:44 PM  

DrPainMD: It's an oven... how can it be made more "boy friendly?"


Easy-Barbecue
 
2012-12-08 01:21:25 PM  

The Evil That Lies In The Hearts Of Men: Positive Feedback Loop.


So the cart is pushing the Ox...

It only works for so long. The truth is that children succumb to trends and boys liking cooking over toy guns is one such trend. If I'm trolling in this thread at all (I'm not by the standard definitions) it's to get people to admit that there are basic differences between boys and girls. These gender differences are not socialized but inherent.

http://www.webmd.com/balance/features/how-male-female-brains-differ
 
2012-12-08 01:22:56 PM  

fiver5: Just buy your son a toaster oven. Since they aren't dumb like little girls, they can handle the responsibility of a real appliance.


Pretty much what's the difference from easy bake to an oven other than power and color... So why would they market something that already exists... If appliances came in pink it would be a girls toy lol
 
2012-12-08 01:24:53 PM  

Because People in power are Stupid: The Evil That Lies In The Hearts Of Men: Positive Feedback Loop.

So the cart is pushing the Ox...

It only works for so long. The truth is that children succumb to trends and boys liking cooking over toy guns is one such trend. If I'm trolling in this thread at all (I'm not by the standard definitions) it's to get people to admit that there are basic differences between boys and girls. These gender differences are not socialized but inherent.

http://www.webmd.com/balance/features/how-male-female-brains-differ


Lol... Web MD.
 
2012-12-08 01:29:33 PM  

Theaetetus:

Lol... Web MD.


Do you have evidence that gender is defined rather than inherent? No? -Then Lol-blah blah is poisoning the well.
 
2012-12-08 01:30:10 PM  
Guys, he's totally right, there are major inherent differences between boys and girls. I read it on the back of this cereal box, so you know it's true.
 
2012-12-08 01:32:56 PM  

Theaetetus: Get a few celebrity chef endorsements, market a "Hell's Kitchen" Easy Bake, etc., and they could be raking it in.


You know how I can tell that you are an idealist over a realist?
 
2012-12-08 01:33:20 PM  

Because People in power are Stupid: Theaetetus:

Lol... Web MD.

Do you have evidence that gender is defined rather than inherent? No? -Then Lol-blah blah is poisoning the well.


Nice argument from fallacy.
 
2012-12-08 01:33:41 PM  

fiver5: Just buy your son a toaster oven. Since they aren't dumb like little girls, they can handle the responsibility of a real appliance.


A toaster oven is also far superior since it can be used to melt things such as those little plastic army men.

You can't do that in a farking Easy Bake oven.

Besides, I thought that outraged conservatives told me that the end of the Easy Bake oven was nigh because Obama killed the incandescent light bulb.
 
2012-12-08 01:34:01 PM  

ReapTheChaos: Hasbro is one of the largest toy companies in the world, I guarantee you they've already done the market research on this and if there was a big enough market for a boys easy bake over they would already be making one.


Because they have a perfect record for predicting what boys like.

/Hint: It involves Ponies
 
2012-12-08 01:34:05 PM  

Because People in power are Stupid: Theaetetus: Get a few celebrity chef endorsements, market a "Hell's Kitchen" Easy Bake, etc., and they could be raking it in.

You know how I can tell that you are an idealist over a realist?


You read an article about the difference between idealists and realists on WebMD?
 
2012-12-08 01:35:33 PM  

Eddie Adams from Torrance: fiver5: Just buy your son a toaster oven. Since they aren't dumb like little girls, they can handle the responsibility of a real appliance.

A toaster oven is also far superior since it can be used to melt things such as those little plastic army men.

You can't do that in a farking Easy Bake oven.


Allegedly, they get up to 375 degrees Fahrenheit, so you probably could melt them.
 
2012-12-08 01:39:37 PM  

Theaetetus: from fallacy.


What is the fallacy? Do you believe that little boys would be interested in cooking if people just pushed it on them?

http://www.theatlantic.com/sexes/archive/2012/12/you-can-give-a-boy-a - doll-but-you-cant-make-him-play-with-it/265977/


But I actually encourage you. When talking about generalizations regarding people -there are always exceptions. The vast market for queezy bake ovens (remarketed easy bake ovens) wasn't realized -which doesn't mean that there wasn't a niche market in existence.

So go ahead and pander your theory -I'm sure reality won't shatter your ideals.
 
2012-12-08 01:40:50 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: I taught myself to cook on the stove starting when I was 6. Kids don't need special appliances. They need adults to teach them how to handle a real kitchen. Trolling aside, I'm teaching a friend's kid to cook using a Breville countertop convection oven (toaster-oven-sized, roughly). We've made cakes, pies, pizza, pot pie... and her mom is thrilled she's learning basic skills like pie crust, sponge method, yeasted dough and kneading, etc. No knife work yet, she's only 8 - only adults handle the big knives. But she's a real champ in the litchen - all it takes is an adult showing some interest, and permission to eat the delicious results.


This. My 10 year old son has been in the kitchen "helping" me since he was able to walk well..heck before that he sat in a high chair watching me cook...now, he can cook pretty much anything he would want to eat. We even started some elementary sharps work this year...learning to grate without including a finger in the mix, use of a potato/vegetable peeler, then basic slicing and dicing with a smaller knife. By the time he's in middle school, he'll be handling a real knife. He also has gained math, science, reasoning, and reading skills from the experience, and a real life skill that will keep him from thinking the potential fatty girl down the street is the love of his life because she can cook and he can't.
 
2012-12-08 01:44:00 PM  

Benevolent Misanthrope: her mom is thrilled she's learning basic skills like pie crust, sponge method, yeasted dough and kneading, etc. No knife work yet, she's only 8


I had a girlfriend who used the sponge method, but 8 seems a little young to be learning about that.
 
2012-12-08 01:50:39 PM  
30,000 signatures online? That's like 17 in real life.
 
2012-12-08 01:51:38 PM  

Because People in power are Stupid: Theaetetus: from fallacy.

What is the fallacy?

Because People in power are Stupid: Lol-blah blah is poisoning the well.


Making fun of WebMD is arguably an ad hominem (or yes, poisoning the well), as I'm attacking the credibility of the source. The fact that I did so, however, does not suddenly make it's contentions - or your argument - true. That's the argument from fallacy.

Example:
A: "Aliens are hiding behind the moon!"
B: "You know who else thought aliens were behind the moon? Hitler."
A: "Your argument is wrong because you're poisoning the well! Therefore I'm right and aliens are hiding behind the moon! Q.E.D.!"

Reality doesn't actually work that way.

http://www.theatlantic.com/sexes/archive/2012/12/you-can-give-a-boy- a - doll-but-you-cant-make-him-play-with-it/265977/

Know what's funny? Both of your links heavily quote this "Professor David Geary" guy. It's like you're going to a second source to try to bolster your credibility, but that source is really the same thing as the first one.
I'm also not sure why you think a hit piece by Sommers would be persuasive.
 
2012-12-08 01:52:57 PM  

ChrisDe: celebrity chef Bobby Flay, who owned an Easy-Bake Oven as a boy...

Why does this not surprise me?


It sure surprises me. I would have figured he'd had some kind of Easy-Grill toy that would allow him to overcook meat and then slather it in a disgusting mango chutney and pretend he's a chef.
 
2012-12-08 01:54:00 PM  

Theaetetus:
I'm also not sure why you think a hit piece by Sommers would be persuasive.


You've been indoctrinated and NO EVIDENCE is persuasive.

In fact I've asked you for some counter-evidence and you've offered:

None, nada, zilch, nothing.

Seriously put up or shut up

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2012-12-08 01:58:41 PM  

Because People in power are Stupid:
In fact I've asked you for some counter-evidence and you've offered:

None, nada, zilch, nothing.

Seriously put up or shut up

[upload.wikimedia.org image 300x163]


Happy to supply. But first, I'd like to see your evidence. So far, you have:
1. WebMD link with "some people say" and "a recent study we won't name, link to, or describe, says"
2. Atlantic article with "some people say" and "a recent study we won't name, link to, or describe, says"
Dude, everything you've shown to support your argument has big [Citation needed] flags all over them. If you want to show some evidence instead, I'll be happy to provide counter-evidence. Remember, you're the one making the claim, so you're the one who has the initial burden of proof.

/there's tons of counter evidence, too. See, e.g., the list of studies in the bibliography of "Delusions of Gender".
 
2012-12-08 02:18:30 PM  

Theaetetus: 1. WebMD link with "some people say" and "a recent study we won't name, link to, or describe, says"
2. Atlantic article with "some people say" and "a recent study we won't name, link to, or describe, says"
Dude, everything you've shown to support your argument has big [Citation needed] flags all over them. If you want to show some evidence instead, I'll be happy to provide counter-evidence. Remember, you're the one making the claim, so you're the one who has the initial burden of proof.



Fine one more source, from a Peer-Reviewed Journal:

http://www.annualreviews.org/doi/abs/10.1146/annurev-neuro-061010-11 36 54?journalCode=neuro

"Convincing evidence indicates that prenatal exposure to the gonadal hormone, testosterone, influences the development of children's sex-typical toy and activity interests. In addition, growing evidence shows that testosterone exposure contributes similarly to the development of other human behaviors that show sex differences, including sexual orientation, core gender identity, and some, though not all, sex-related cognitive and personality characteristics. In addition to these prenatal hormonal influences, early infancy and puberty may provide additional critical periods when hormones influence human neurobehavioral organization. Sex-linked genes could also contribute to human gender development, and most sex-related characteristics are influenced by socialization and other aspects of postnatal experience, as well. Neural mechanisms underlying the influences of gonadal hormones on human behavior are beginning to be identified. Although the neural mechanisms underlying experiential influences remain largely uninvestigated, they could involve the same neural circuitry as that affected by hormones."

As far as my choice of sources, they are based in something called "facts". You seem to think that facts are a cognitive outcome of something called "ideals". They are not. I really encourage you to sink some money into a toy oven for boys and see if it sells. If you are a good enough salesperson -I'm sure those hypothetical celebrity endorsers you wax about will sink their money into it too. Then you will see that the reality is far different from your ideals.

The reason that the "hit piece" was critical of Sweden's feminist thought police -is because forcing boys into girls roles is cruel. Taking away their toy cars (RTFA) because they like them is cruel.

Go ahead and post some post-reality feminist schlock. Is it less credible than Dr So-and-so's peer reviewed research? Probably so.
 
2012-12-08 02:47:33 PM  

ReapTheChaos: Theaetetus: ReapTheChaos: Hasbro is one of the largest toy companies in the world, I guarantee you they've already done the market research on this and if there was a big enough market for a boys easy bake over they would already be making one.

You're speaking reactively. Proactive companies make markets, not just wait for them to already exist before they attempt to fill the need.
15 years ago, people like you would say that there wasn't a big enough market for video games for women. Now, for certain platforms and age groups, women make up the majority of gamers, and half of all game purchases are by women.
Similarly, Hasbro has the choice to either sit with their thumb up their ass, like you'd have them do, or seize the opportunity and double the potential market for the Easy Bake. Get a few celebrity chef endorsements, market a "Hell's Kitchen" Easy Bake, etc., and they could be raking it in.

I don't know where you got your info on video games. It's true, there are a lot of female gamers out there, but there are very few games actually made for them. Excluding RPG's where you can choose the sex of your character, 99% of all games have a male protagonist. I can count on one hand how many mainstream games have had a female as the main character, and none of them were very successful.

I'd also be interested in where you got that half of all games are bought by women, there may very well be a lot of female gamers, but not that many. If that many games are being bought by women they're buying them as a gift for a guy.


Metroid isn't successful? Resident Evil? Tomb Raider?
 
2012-12-08 03:05:51 PM  

Because People in power are Stupid:
Fine one more source, from a Peer-Reviewed Journal:

http://www.annualreviews.org/doi/abs/10.1146/annurev-neuro-061010-11 36 54?journalCode=neuro

"Convincing evidence indicates that prenatal exposure to the gonadal hormone, testosterone, influences the development of children's sex-typical toy and activity interests. In addition, growing evidence shows that testosterone exposure contributes similarly to the development of other human behaviors that show sex differences, including sexual orientation, core gender identity, and some, though not all, sex-related cognitive and personality characteristics. In addition to these prenatal hormonal influences, early infancy and puberty may provide additional critical periods when hormones influence human neurobehavioral organization. Sex-linked genes could also contribute to human gender development, and most sex-related characteristics are influenced by socialization and other aspects of postnatal experience, as well. Neural mechanisms underlying the influences of gonadal hormones on human behavior are beginning to be identified. Although the neural mechanisms underlying experiential influences remain largely uninvestigated, they could involve the same neural circuitry as that affected by hormones."


And? With just an abstract, you haven't really actually cited any evidence. See, evidence is data, from which you draw conclusions. It's not the conclusions itself. Your assertion is still woefully unsupported.

You seem to think that facts are a cognitive outcome of something called "ideals".

I have no idea what you're talking about. I suspect that neither do you.
Incidentally, for someone whining about fallacies, you're quick to jump to a strawman fallacy. [cough]Hypocrite[/cough]

The reason that the "hit piece" was critical of Sweden's feminist thought police -is because forcing boys into girls roles is cruel. Taking away their toy cars (RTFA) because they like them is cruel.

That hit piece is built upon a lie. No one was forcing boys into girls roles. The whole "uproar" in that article is over a toy catalog in which [gasp] it showed girls playing with guns and boys playing with dolls. Oh, the horror! I bet you're clutching your pearls at the very notion.

Go ahead and post some post-reality feminist schlock. Is it less credible than Dr So-and-so's peer reviewed research? Probably so.

Again with the ad hominems. You're really not doing well at this whole "complain about fallacies" thing.
 
2012-12-08 03:08:51 PM  
Speaking of lies...

Because People in power are Stupid: Taking away their toy cars (RTFA) because they like them is cruel.


Your article says no such thing.
 
2012-12-08 03:11:53 PM  
And finally, consider what you're saying:
Gender-different preferences are innate and inherent... But by replacing one set of toys with other toys, we can modify those preferences, and that's "cruel".

Well, which is it? You can't really have it both ways if you're saying that social influences have a huge effect, but that the preferences aren't affected by social influences.
 
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