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(Sun Sentinel)   Eight-foot-tall Festivus Pole goes up alongside Nativity scene. It's made of PBR cans, natch   ( sun-sentinel.com) divider line
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2012-12-08 02:39:42 AM  
I was shocked that not one person is whining about the Beer-Can Festivus Pole display yet in TFA's comments section. Just the guy who put up the pole and someone else who thought it was funny commenting thus far.

Normally you'd get the regular crowd of people screaming about a "War on Christmas", spouting platitudes like "Jesus is the reason for the season"... when there is no war on Christmas, and Jesus is only the reason for the holiday season if you ignore all the other religions who have holidays at the end of the year, including some holidays that predate Christianity entirely.

Anyway, since those morans didn't bother to show up (yet) in TFA's comments, I just have to hope they show up here so I can get a good laugh.
 
2012-12-08 07:51:38 AM  
FTA: "This year, they're joined by an 8-foot-tall aluminum Festivus Pole, symbol of a Dec. 23 atheist "holiday"..."

When did Festivus become an atheist holiday? All something needs to do is NOT be Christmas and suddenly it's atheistic?
 
2012-12-08 08:14:03 AM  

MmmmBacon: Anyway, since those morans didn't bother to show up (yet) in TFA's comments, I just have to hope they show up here so I can get a good laugh.


They're there now.
 
2012-12-08 09:27:51 AM  
Festivus and hipster culture are not the same thing. Unless they are now, because Seinfeld is 'retro'.

God I hate hipsters.
 
2012-12-08 09:27:53 AM  

MmmmBacon: I was shocked that not one person is whining about the Beer-Can Festivus Pole display yet in TFA's comments section. Just the guy who put up the pole and someone else who thought it was funny commenting thus far.

Normally you'd get the regular crowd of people screaming about a "War on Christmas", spouting platitudes like "Jesus is the reason for the season"... when there is no war on Christmas, and Jesus is only the reason for the holiday season if you ignore all the other religions who have holidays at the end of the year, including some holidays that predate Christianity entirely.

Anyway, since those morans didn't bother to show up (yet) in TFA's comments, I just have to hope they show up here so I can get a good laugh.


Well you're a miserable little thing, aren't you?
 
2012-12-08 09:30:29 AM  
But Marc Rohr, a law professor at Nova Southeastern University called the display an unusual move. "I think the atheists of the world are more interested in preventing religious displays on public land than in joining them.''

There, I fixed it for him.
 
2012-12-08 09:31:37 AM  
I got a lot of problems with you people!
 
2012-12-08 09:32:24 AM  
Festivus is Polish?
 
2012-12-08 09:34:29 AM  
Someone needs to show that guy a couple of Feats of Strength.
 
2012-12-08 09:35:19 AM  

WhippingBoy: Well you're a miserable little thing, aren't you?


He was talking about something that brings him joy (watching people post stupidity) and you call him 'miserable'?? I think you should take a look in the mirror.
 
2012-12-08 09:35:48 AM  
This is a really great way to separate out sensible people from zealots. On both sides.

Example. I don't like nativity scenes. But I don't complain about them. My reaction is, "Meh." I'm not a Christian, not religious at all, though I admire a lot of what Jesus said. But the nativity thing is (to me) the worst kind of childish fable. Virgin birth, a star as a portent, wise men--silly. What can it possibly matter where or how Jesus was born? It's like George Washington chopping down a cherry tree, or Abe Lincoln being born in a log cabin. But even if I don't like the silly nativity fable, seeing it on display is way, way down on the list of things that get my dander up. It poses no threat to me.

I can understand that a Christian might not like a PBR Festivus pole. The question is whether he froths at the mouth over his religious rights being violated, or he says, "Meh." Or better yet, "I get it. It's actually kind of funny. And not a threat to my beliefs at all."

Say "meh" and we can have a beer. PBR or something else, your pick.
 
2012-12-08 09:35:56 AM  
There are no atheists in Gods waiting room.
 
2012-12-08 09:37:46 AM  

Farking Canuck: WhippingBoy: Well you're a miserable little thing, aren't you?

He was talking about something that brings him joy (watching people post stupidity) and you call him 'miserable'?? I think you should take a look in the mirror.


He's not happy unless he goes out of his way and finds someone to look down on. I think he's probably a pretty miserable and unhappy person.
 
2012-12-08 09:40:41 AM  
 
2012-12-08 09:42:03 AM  
TFA "I think the atheists of the world are more interested in preventing religious displays than in joining them.''

Hmm, I wonder why that would be...
 
2012-12-08 09:42:29 AM  

Ennuipoet: FTA: "This year, they're joined by an 8-foot-tall aluminum Festivus Pole, symbol of a Dec. 23 atheist "holiday"..."

When did Festivus become an atheist holiday? All something needs to do is NOT be Christmas and suddenly it's atheistic?


atheist means "butt fark" and this holiday has no characteristics of butt fark
 
2012-12-08 09:42:47 AM  
As an atheist, stuff like this worries me. You win more flies with honey than you do with vinegar, and stacking beer cans next to people's religious symbols is going to come across as petty and utterly shallow.
 
2012-12-08 09:44:50 AM  

Monkeyhouse Zendo: TFA "I think the atheists of the world are more interested in preventing religious displays than in joining them.''

Hmm, I wonder why that would be...


Might have something to do with religion's track record of oppression of human rights and suppression of free thinking and scientific inquiry (blah blah religion doesn't always cause this, Nazis, Cuba, little red book...for most of history and for the majority of cases, it DOES.)
 
2012-12-08 09:45:42 AM  

Wayne 985: As an atheist, stuff like this worries me. You win more flies with honey than you do with vinegar, and stacking beer cans next to people's religious symbols is going to come across as petty and utterly shallow.


You know what you win even more flies with? Big stinking piles of shiat. Think about it.
 
2012-12-08 09:46:21 AM  
From Warren Ellis: "Join my Xmas Eve tradition: sit in a barn all night shrieking that an invisible space god put a parasite inside you and it's coming out"
 
2012-12-08 09:46:56 AM  
That's like having a Christmas tree made of beer cans. Festivus deserves more respect than that.
 
2012-12-08 09:49:48 AM  

Wayne 985: As an atheist, stuff like this worries me. You win more flies with honey than you do with vinegar, and stacking beer cans next to people's religious symbols is going to come across as petty and utterly shallow.


The problem is that, with atheism, the "honey" is reason and evidence. You can't "win" people over to reason and evidence if they've rejected them and if they haven't rejected them then there's no need to "win" them at all, you just have to wait for them to work things out for themselves. Worrying that people will not become atheists because some atheists are sarcastic dicks sort of misses the point. As an atheist / buddhist, I don't care what religion people practice so long as they don't inflict it on other people. Reason will eventually win out over superstition.
 
2012-12-08 09:49:57 AM  
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2012-12-08 09:50:38 AM  
That is not a festivus pole. If he wanted a festivus pole, he should have added a real one. It should be a single piece of aluminum, not some hipster PBR.
 
2012-12-08 09:52:12 AM  

Jon iz teh kewl: atheist means "butt fark" and this holiday has no characteristics of butt fark


You sound tense. Have you ever thought of having anal sex with a non-believer? It's very relaxing.
 
2012-12-08 09:52:18 AM  

DickNomms: That's like having a Christmas tree made of beer cans. Festivus deserves more respect than that.


Damn right. The material of the pole means something. Iron or steel represents the strength of the family.

/Then again, hipsters are not known for their strength
 
2012-12-08 09:52:26 AM  

MrBeetle: That is not a festivus pole. If he wanted a festivus pole, he should have added a real one. It should be a single piece of aluminum, not some hipster PBR.


Let the Festivus heresy wars begin!
 
2012-12-08 09:56:48 AM  

Ennuipoet: Jon iz teh kewl: atheist means "butt fark" and this holiday has no characteristics of butt fark

You sound tense. Have you ever thought of having anal sex with a non-believer? It's very relaxing.


believer, non believer. what's the difference they're all people
 
2012-12-08 10:02:20 AM  
If this is the only thing that brings joy to this guys life, I honestly feel sad for him.
 
2012-12-08 10:06:26 AM  

DickNomms: That's like having a Christmas tree made of beer cans. Festivus deserves more respect than that.


At least more respect than using Pabst Blue Ribbon
 
2012-12-08 10:06:56 AM  

StrangeQ: Wayne 985: As an atheist, stuff like this worries me. You win more flies with honey than you do with vinegar, and stacking beer cans next to people's religious symbols is going to come across as petty and utterly shallow.

You know what you win even more flies with? Big stinking piles of shiat. Think about it.


I see where you're going, but I disagree. I know plenty of religious folks. They're good people and intelligent, but misguided on some aspects of life. If they have a prejudice against atheists, little things like this gradually make it worse. They can and should be shown that we're just as decent and respectful as anyone else. That doesn't mean licking their boots and agreeing to let the Constitution be violated, but it does mean that we need to pick our battles and fight them "cleanly", so to speak.
 
2012-12-08 10:08:15 AM  
Can I just say, I hate sentences ending in "natch".
 
2012-12-08 10:11:19 AM  
atheists are gay. plain and simple.

and so are Christians. it's sorta a battle to see how homosexual you can make the holidays
 
2012-12-08 10:12:54 AM  

abhorrent1: There are no atheists in Gods waiting room.


What are you talking about? South Florida has plenty of atheists.
 
2012-12-08 10:18:48 AM  
I'm thinking that if one were to cockpunch an atheist legally it wouldn't be a hate crime.
 
2012-12-08 10:20:06 AM  

StrangeQ: Wayne 985: As an atheist, stuff like this worries me. You win more flies with honey than you do with vinegar, and stacking beer cans next to people's religious symbols is going to come across as petty and utterly shallow.

You know what you win even more flies with? Big stinking piles of shiat. Think about it.


A dead squirrel.
 
2012-12-08 10:21:43 AM  

Ennuipoet: FTA: "This year, they're joined by an 8-foot-tall aluminum Festivus Pole, symbol of a Dec. 23 atheist "holiday"..."

When did Festivus become an atheist holiday? All something needs to do is NOT be Christmas and suddenly it's atheistic?



You must have missed the memo. Do a Google search for "festivus" and "atheism" and, in addition to this Florida story, you'll see lots of other references going back years.
 
2012-12-08 10:24:21 AM  

Monkeyhouse Zendo: Reason will eventually win out over superstition.


That has always worried me. It's like the Just-world hypothesis; we would like for it to be true, but there's no promise that it is. I would like to believe that left to their own devices, people would eventually come to the conclusion that an empiricistic philosophy towards understanding other people and the world around us would win out. But experience says that isn't true. You will have radicals that will hold to their believes without proof, evidence or regard towards the consequences towards others. For some you may be able to adopt a live and let live posture, but you will often find yourself unavoidably apposed to many of their positions. And then there are those whose consequences suggest that it would be better if you did not exist. If you try to fight that with passivity you're going to lose.

I hope you're right though, and eventually people adopt a logical, knowledgable and understanding view towards each other. I think it follows the eastern philosophy that the way cannot be taught it can only be known.

I take that as meaning the way cannot be forced. People have to come to their own decisions, Inception, if you like. But I also don't think there's anything wrong with dropping little hints along the path, especially when the group you're aiming them at is at once so attached to their beliefs and so paranoid of them.
 
2012-12-08 10:27:14 AM  

Wayne 985: StrangeQ: Wayne 985: As an atheist, stuff like this worries me. You win more flies with honey than you do with vinegar, and stacking beer cans next to people's religious symbols is going to come across as petty and utterly shallow.

You know what you win even more flies with? Big stinking piles of shiat. Think about it.

I see where you're going, but I disagree. I know plenty of religious folks. They're good people and intelligent, but misguided on some aspects of life. If they have a prejudice against atheists, little things like this gradually make it worse. They can and should be shown that we're just as decent and respectful as anyone else. That doesn't mean licking their boots and agreeing to let the Constitution be violated, but it does mean that we need to pick our battles and fight them "cleanly", so to speak.


I like your style Wayne.
 
2012-12-08 10:28:24 AM  
Hipsters are obscuring the true meaning of Festivus. What next? Tinsel?
 
2012-12-08 10:29:47 AM  

Ennuipoet: FTA: "This year, they're joined by an 8-foot-tall aluminum Festivus Pole, symbol of a Dec. 23 atheist "holiday"..."

When did Festivus become an atheist holiday? All something needs to do is NOT be Christmas and suddenly it's atheistic?


I wonder that too since Festivus is, in reality, quite the opposite since this festival was created to celebrate all the end of year religious holidays, mostly Christmas, without all the consumerism aspect.

But it's not the medias fault, it's guys like the atheist in the article that have hijack Festivus that's turned it into an atheist holiday.
 
2012-12-08 10:30:21 AM  

GilRuiz1: Ennuipoet: FTA: "This year, they're joined by an 8-foot-tall aluminum Festivus Pole, symbol of a Dec. 23 atheist "holiday"..."

When did Festivus become an atheist holiday? All something needs to do is NOT be Christmas and suddenly it's atheistic?


You must have missed the memo. Do a Google search for "festivus" and "atheism" and, in addition to this Florida story, you'll see lots of other references going back years.


Festivus has nothing to do with Atheism or Christianity. It's a made up, hilarious "holiday" from a TV show.
 
2012-12-08 10:30:38 AM  

StrangeQ: That has always worried me. It's like the Just-world hypothesis; we would like for it to be true, but there's no promise that it is


Looking at the shift in the young away from organized religion and the gains atheism has shown I'm comfortable that the trend and don't think that the US eventually joining the rest of the first world as a secular society is too bold a proposition.
 
2012-12-08 10:34:27 AM  

oukewldave: GilRuiz1: Ennuipoet: FTA: "This year, they're joined by an 8-foot-tall aluminum Festivus Pole, symbol of a Dec. 23 atheist "holiday"..."

When did Festivus become an atheist holiday? All something needs to do is NOT be Christmas and suddenly it's atheistic?


You must have missed the memo. Do a Google search for "festivus" and "atheism" and, in addition to this Florida story, you'll see lots of other references going back years.

Festivus has nothing to do with Atheism or Christianity. It's a made up, hilarious "holiday" from a TV show.


it's a holiday around based around being violent to family members
 
2012-12-08 10:38:48 AM  
Look, the festivus pole is a symbol to combat the commercialism of the Christmas holidays. It needs to be one solid piece of metal, decorated with tinsel. There will be a dinner to air out grievances, followed by some strenuous wrestling.

/So sayeth The Costanza
 
2012-12-08 10:39:11 AM  

oukewldave: GilRuiz1: Ennuipoet: FTA: "This year, they're joined by an 8-foot-tall aluminum Festivus Pole, symbol of a Dec. 23 atheist "holiday"..."

When did Festivus become an atheist holiday? All something needs to do is NOT be Christmas and suddenly it's atheistic?


You must have missed the memo. Do a Google search for "festivus" and "atheism" and, in addition to this Florida story, you'll see lots of other references going back years.

Festivus has nothing to do with Atheism or Christianity. It's a made up, hilarious "holiday" from a TV show.



It originally had nothing to do with atheism or Christianity, but it has been adopted by atheists. For example, the second item on the Beltway Atheists website is an announcement of their sixth annual Festivus get-together.
 
2012-12-08 10:44:22 AM  

oukewldave: GilRuiz1: Ennuipoet: FTA: "This year, they're joined by an 8-foot-tall aluminum Festivus Pole, symbol of a Dec. 23 atheist "holiday"..."

When did Festivus become an atheist holiday? All something needs to do is NOT be Christmas and suddenly it's atheistic?


You must have missed the memo. Do a Google search for "festivus" and "atheism" and, in addition to this Florida story, you'll see lots of other references going back years.

Festivus has nothing to do with Atheism or Christianity. It's a made up, hilarious "holiday" from a TV show.


Apparently, one of the writer's father came up with it in 1966.
 
2012-12-08 10:44:45 AM  

MrBeetle: That is not a festivus pole. If he wanted a festivus pole, he should have added a real one. It should be a single piece of aluminum, not some hipster PBR.


Still don't how PBR is a hipster beer. Around here it's normal.
 
2012-12-08 10:45:08 AM  
I am an oddball I guess. I decorate my Christmas tree with condoms and pacifiers.
 
2012-12-08 10:47:19 AM  

GilRuiz1: oukewldave: GilRuiz1: Ennuipoet: FTA: "This year, they're joined by an 8-foot-tall aluminum Festivus Pole, symbol of a Dec. 23 atheist "holiday"..."

When did Festivus become an atheist holiday? All something needs to do is NOT be Christmas and suddenly it's atheistic?


You must have missed the memo. Do a Google search for "festivus" and "atheism" and, in addition to this Florida story, you'll see lots of other references going back years.

Festivus has nothing to do with Atheism or Christianity. It's a made up, hilarious "holiday" from a TV show.


It originally had nothing to do with atheism or Christianity, but it has been adopted by atheists. For example, the second item on the Beltway Atheists website is an announcement of their sixth annual Festivus get-together.


Great. So 1000 years from now when everyone is juggling around their festivus mole there's still going to be the naysayers that claim it is just a stolen holiday and demand to return to traditional practices like the great owl hunt.
 
2012-12-08 10:50:34 AM  

StrangeQ: Great. So 1000 years from now when everyone is juggling around their festivus mole there's still going to be the naysayers that claim it is just a stolen holiday and demand to return to traditional practices like the great owl hunt.


Nah, Seinfeld will still be in syndication then.
 
2012-12-08 10:54:38 AM  

blatz514: Still don't how PBR is a hipster beer. Around here it's normal.


PBR came about as a hipster beer because of Gen Xers (like me) liking craft and imported beers. It seems Gen Xers children look at expensive beer the same way I looked at Miller Lite, "I'm not drinking that my father drinks that and he has no taste."

/fortunately I waited to have children so my 6 year old won't be a hipster.
 
2012-12-08 10:57:55 AM  

Wayne 985: As an atheist, stuff like this worries me. You win more flies with honey than you do with vinegar, and stacking beer cans next to people's religious symbols is going to come across as petty and utterly shallow.


Meh. i just don't have TIME for this crap. If I had time for religion, I'd join one of the more profitable ones and get paid for it. I sure as shiat don't have time to go out of my way to do stuff whose only point is riling up an already ignorant, belligerent, and potentially dangerous group of people.
 
2012-12-08 11:12:55 AM  
Festivus for the rest of us.

Can I go to a Festivus party and a Christmas party, or is that a backslide?

pfft
 
2012-12-08 11:23:37 AM  

MrBeetle: That is not a festivus pole. If he wanted a festivus pole, he should have added a real one. It should be a single piece of aluminum, not some hipster PBR.


This. If anything, I'm offended at the Festivus pole fail.
 
2012-12-08 11:23:54 AM  
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blatz514: Still don't how PBR is a hipster beer. Around here it's normal.

 
2012-12-08 11:30:57 AM  

Xioxia: Look, the festivus pole is a symbol to combat the commercialism of the Christmas holidays. It needs to be one solid piece of metal, decorated with tinsel. There will be a dinner to air out grievances, followed by some strenuous wrestling.

/So sayeth The Costanza


Some find tinsel distracting.
 
2012-12-08 11:36:20 AM  

Spaced Lion: DickNomms: That's like having a Christmas tree made of beer cans. Festivus deserves more respect than that.

Damn right. The material of the pole means something. Iron or steel represents the strength of the family.

/Then again, hipsters are not known for their strength


Officially, it's made of aluminum.

"It's made from aluminum. Very high strength-to-weight ratio."
-Frank Costanza
Festivus, Dec. 18, 1997
 
2012-12-08 11:44:17 AM  

StrangeQ: Wayne 985: As an atheist, stuff like this worries me. You win more flies with honey than you do with vinegar, and stacking beer cans next to people's religious symbols is going to come across as petty and utterly shallow.

You know what you win even more flies with? Big stinking piles of shiat. Think about it.


Hence Christianity's popularity.
 
2012-12-08 11:52:14 AM  
The difference between defending yourself against real religious oppression that threatens your life, and just being an asshole because you legally can....
 
2012-12-08 11:59:47 AM  

Xioxia: Look, the festivus pole is a symbol to combat the commercialism of the Christmas holidays. It needs to be one solid piece of metal, decorated with tinsel. There will be a dinner to air out grievances, followed by some strenuous wrestling.

/So sayeth The Costanza



And I say LET the consumerism take over the holiday, just like the Christians took it over from the previous religions.
 
2012-12-08 12:17:15 PM  

MmmmBacon: I was shocked that not one person is whining about the Beer-Can Festivus Pole display yet in TFA's comments section. Just the guy who put up the pole and someone else who thought it was funny commenting thus far.

Normally you'd get the regular crowd of people screaming about a "War on Christmas", spouting platitudes like "Jesus is the reason for the season"... when there is no war on Christmas, and Jesus is only the reason for the holiday season if you ignore all the other religions who have holidays at the end of the year, including some holidays that predate Christianity entirely.

Anyway, since those morans didn't bother to show up (yet) in TFA's comments, I just have to hope they show up here so I can get a good laugh.


I would have thought the War on christmas was over and done with the invention of television advertising and the ensuing rampant consumerism. What do I know though . . .
 
2012-12-08 12:25:44 PM  

StrangeQ: Monkeyhouse Zendo: Reason will eventually win out over superstition.

That has always worried me. It's like the Just-world hypothesis; we would like for it to be true, but there's no promise that it is. I would like to believe that left to their own devices, people would eventually come to the conclusion that an empiricistic philosophy towards understanding other people and the world around us would win out. But experience says that isn't true. You will have radicals that will hold to their believes without proof, evidence or regard towards the consequences towards others. For some you may be able to adopt a live and let live posture, but you will often find yourself unavoidably apposed to many of their positions. And then there are those whose consequences suggest that it would be better if you did not exist. If you try to fight that with passivity you're going to lose.

I hope you're right though, and eventually people adopt a logical, knowledgable and understanding view towards each other. I think it follows the eastern philosophy that the way cannot be taught it can only be known.

I take that as meaning the way cannot be forced. People have to come to their own decisions, Inception, if you like. But I also don't think there's anything wrong with dropping little hints along the path, especially when the group you're aiming them at is at once so attached to their beliefs and so paranoid of them.


Read Supersense: Why we believe the unbelievable by Bruce Hood. He posits that there will always be magical thinking because we are hard-wired for it. He demonstrates through psychological studies with children; case studies of brain injuries, disease, and elderly dementia; as well as simple illusions, how our brains make shiat up and there isn't a helluva lot you can do about it. Consider your sentimental attachments to inanimate objects as a simple example. It has made me self-conscious of the magical thoughts I have, that I override in next instant with a reasonable dismissal. Hell, I don't believe in ghosts, but I remember the time I had a mouse in my kitchen at night, and a bread bag was moving on my counter, and my first instantaneous, stupid thought was "DEMONIC BREAD!" followed by "No you moron, mice. WTF, demons? Where did that come from?"

On the other hand, if it wasn't for our unreasonable brains and our magical thinking strategies growing up, the chaotic universe would be overwhelming, we wouldn't form social relationships as we know them (for better or for worse), and we wouldn't be very creative. Your brain is a jerk that is constantly farking with you, but for your own good, essentially.

It's a fascinating read and it has helped me to be somewhat more patient with magical thinking in others (thought it gives me pedantic urges to tell them why they're thinking what they're thinking). I think Bruce Hood was featured on Fark a while back with his "would you wear a killer's cardigan" experiment.
 
2012-12-08 01:13:11 PM  
Monkeyhouse Zendo: Reason will eventually win out over superstition.

It's cold comfort, though, as silly beliefs spring up all the time. By the time you've discredited one fiction, a dozen more popped up when you weren't looking. Convince people female hysteria is a fake psychological diagnosis? BAM! Your soul is composed of thetans, vaccines cause autism, and prayers offered to deity X are better than modern medical treatment. And that homeopathy thing you disproved a long time ago? It's been resurrected.

That's the catch-22 of diversity. You get a lot of different ideas (which is great, in and of itself), but some of those ideas happen to be very, very bad, and are appealing to people who are susceptible to the particular cognitive trap by which those ideas are propagated. (notice that I'm not using the word "stupid" to describe people who believe in superstitions, as we're all susceptible to believing silly things while being relatively intelligent, otherwise)

Ultimately, there are only two ways to get rid of superstitions:
(1) Reason - takes a long time, a lot of resources
(2) Make a more popular, directly contradictory superstition - much quicker (especially when it's "kill the believers of that other superstition"), but it's also a zero sum game

And one way that a superstition is created:
(1) "Hey guys! Guess what?"

And yes, I believe that a more educated population is less susceptible to superstition, but I don't think we will ever be entirely immune to them. So while the pursuit of perfection is a noble goal, attainment of said perfection is, I think, extremely improbable. Like "a flower pot and a whale manifesting spontaneously in outer space" improbable.
 
2012-12-08 01:40:56 PM  

MrBeetle: That is not a festivus pole. If he wanted a festivus pole, he should have added a real one. It should be a single piece of aluminum, not some hipster PBR.


Heineken? fark that shiat. Pabst. Blue. Ribbon.

/mommy
 
2012-12-08 01:43:57 PM  
Why don't we celebrate the birth of Santa?
 
2012-12-08 03:22:47 PM  

Kibbler: Example. I don't like nativity scenes. But I don't complain about them.


Neither do I, if they're not a violation of the Constitution by being put up on government land.
 
2012-12-08 03:50:46 PM  

Zugswang: Monkeyhouse Zendo: Reason will eventually win out over superstition.

It's cold comfort, though, as silly beliefs spring up all the time. By the time you've discredited one fiction, a dozen more popped up when you weren't looking. Convince people female hysteria is a fake psychological diagnosis? BAM! Your soul is composed of thetans, vaccines cause autism, and prayers offered to deity X are better than modern medical treatment. And that homeopathy thing you disproved a long time ago? It's been resurrected.


That's the great thing about reason, it's a process not a belief. As long as the fictions are subjected to analysis and some threshold of evidence is established it doesn't matter what dumb assed ideas pop up. Hypothesis: Demonic bread; investigation reveals mouse; conclusion is mouse not demon. Viola.
 
2012-12-08 04:43:35 PM  

Monkeyhouse Zendo: Zugswang: Monkeyhouse Zendo: Reason will eventually win out over superstition.

It's cold comfort, though, as silly beliefs spring up all the time. By the time you've discredited one fiction, a dozen more popped up when you weren't looking. Convince people female hysteria is a fake psychological diagnosis? BAM! Your soul is composed of thetans, vaccines cause autism, and prayers offered to deity X are better than modern medical treatment. And that homeopathy thing you disproved a long time ago? It's been resurrected.

That's the great thing about reason, it's a process not a belief. As long as the fictions are subjected to analysis and some threshold of evidence is established it doesn't matter what dumb assed ideas pop up. Hypothesis: Demonic bread; investigation reveals mouse; conclusion is mouse not demon. Viola.


You guys are deluding yourselves. 5000 years of rational thought and logic and people still believe in ghosts, psychics, and baby Jeebus.
 
2012-12-08 06:33:58 PM  

Kibbler: But even if I don't like the silly nativity fable, seeing it on display is way, way down on the list of things that get my dander up. It poses no threat to me.


Well unfortunately that's exactly where you're wrong, unless you've decided your Constitution only matters for things that get your personal dander up.

Obviously the people who challenge these displays are just a lot more patriotic than you. It's okay, but don't act like THEY"RE the ones in the wrong here. You're the one who's failing in your duty as an American to protect and uphold the Constitution.

/Happy holidays
 
2012-12-08 08:46:38 PM  

if_i_really_have_to: Well unfortunately that's exactly where you're wrong, unless you've decided your Constitution only matters for things that get your personal dander up.


I want that as a t-shirt.
 
2012-12-09 12:20:21 AM  

JosephFinn: Kibbler: Example. I don't like nativity scenes. But I don't complain about them.

Neither do I, if they're not a violation of the Constitution by being put up on government land.


Where does it say that at in the Constitution?
 
2012-12-09 12:34:50 AM  

RabidJade: JosephFinn: Kibbler: Example. I don't like nativity scenes. But I don't complain about them.

Neither do I, if they're not a violation of the Constitution by being put up on government land.

Where does it say that at in the Constitution?


1st Amendment.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Which the last century of jurisprudence has more and more started to recognize means that you can't promote religion in the public square. It's taking time, but putting up a nativity scene is more and more being recognized as promoting a religion.
 
2012-12-09 10:04:07 AM  

I. R. Rottweiler: StrangeQ: Wayne 985: As an atheist, stuff like this worries me. You win more flies with honey than you do with vinegar, and stacking beer cans next to people's religious symbols is going to come across as petty and utterly shallow.

You know what you win even more flies with? Big stinking piles of shiat. Think about it.

Hence Christianity's popularity.


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2012-12-09 12:40:51 PM  

EviLincoln: Wayne 985: StrangeQ: Wayne 985: As an atheist, stuff like this worries me. You win more flies with honey than you do with vinegar, and stacking beer cans next to people's religious symbols is going to come across as petty and utterly shallow.

You know what you win even more flies with? Big stinking piles of shiat. Think about it.

I see where you're going, but I disagree. I know plenty of religious folks. They're good people and intelligent, but misguided on some aspects of life. If they have a prejudice against atheists, little things like this gradually make it worse. They can and should be shown that we're just as decent and respectful as anyone else. That doesn't mean licking their boots and agreeing to let the Constitution be violated, but it does mean that we need to pick our battles and fight them "cleanly", so to speak.

I like your style Wayne.


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