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2012-12-08 09:13:17 AM  
Seeing as how there are only three finalists (none being from there), I find it highly unlucky.

Unless, if course, price Waterhouse cooper or whoever the hell is counting votes got it wrong
 
2012-12-08 09:15:18 AM  

bulldg4life: Seeing as how there are only three finalists (none being from there), I find it highly unlucky.

Unless, if course, price Waterhouse cooper or whoever the hell is counting votes got it wrong


Do they count the votes in Florida? It could be Hopalong Cassady.
 
2012-12-08 09:17:50 AM  
Another year to reward the offense for doing its job. Johnny Football is a superb athlete and deserves credit for making the miracles plays that he does. He has vision, leadership, and catlike reflexes that others struggle to contain.

On the other hand, rewarding skill positions as the best in all of football is getting easier. His stats are phenomenal. He also touches the ball nearly every play. The true skill positions are ones that offenses have to plan around in order to succeed. Te'o has all of the above qualities, but is trying to make it harder for people who always touch the ball to succeed.

There was a case for Glenn Dorsey years ago on the same mindset. Yes, QBs were going to get the snap, but the rest of the offense was dedicated to shutting him down including dirty tricks with chop blocks on his knees. It is so much harder to make a case for Heisman on defense when your job is limited by the fact the other guys on the list avoid you like the plague. We like big plays, but realizing the players that are consistently excellent with the understanding that the odds are against them are true Heisman contenders.
 
2012-12-08 09:20:03 AM  
How does Corso feel about all this? He might stroke on out. Not wishing it on hlm, but the guy kinda gets excited like Dick about about balls in a basket.
 
2012-12-08 09:21:50 AM  
Te'o has no business being there if Ryan Shazier can't even get a sniff of an invite. Statistically better in every category other than INTs and apparently "leadership" and "wearing a uniform well."
 
2012-12-08 09:22:35 AM  
About once. I blame this nook.
 
2012-12-08 09:32:54 AM  
Sick of the Teo sob story. Not looking forward to hearing it again tonight. Hpefully he finishes a distant 3rd.
 
2012-12-08 09:33:17 AM  

assjuice: Sick of the Teo sob story. Not looking forward to hearing it again tonight. Hpefully he finishes a distant 3rd.

 
2012-12-08 09:57:10 AM  
When Drew Brees and LT lost out to Chris Weinke I stopped giving a shiat about the Heisman.
 
2012-12-08 10:01:12 AM  

The_Six_Fingered_Man: assjuice: Sick of the Teo sob story. Not looking forward to hearing it again tonight. Hpefully he finishes a distant 3rd.


Has there ever been a pure defensive player that either of you thought was the most outstanding player that season? If there hasn't, what would a pure defensive player have to do to get on the short list, let alone win?
 
2012-12-08 10:02:07 AM  

assjuice: Sick of the Teo sob story. Not looking forward to hearing it again tonight. Hpefully he finishes a distant 3rd.


If he has a sob story and doesn't win, he's just another athlete with a sob story.

But if he wins...if he achieves this glorious triumph--AGAINST ALL ODDS--then not only is it his triumph, it is a triumph for his University, a triumph of the entire NCAA system!

So, those other dudes better bring something to the table to cry about.

/Sick of sob stories ruining my football.
 
2012-12-08 10:02:26 AM  

The_Six_Fingered_Man: Te'o has no business being there if Ryan Shazier can't even get a sniff of an invite. Statistically better in every category other than INTs and apparently "leadership" and "wearing a uniform well."


Teo is has gotten a ton of press for one reason - he's a Mormon from Hawaii playing for Notre Dame.
 
2012-12-08 10:08:44 AM  

Serious Black: The_Six_Fingered_Man: assjuice: Sick of the Teo sob story. Not looking forward to hearing it again tonight. Hpefully he finishes a distant 3rd.

Has there ever been a pure defensive player that either of you thought was the most outstanding player that season? If there hasn't, what would a pure defensive player have to do to get on the short list, let alone win?


I mentioned Dorsey. The Honey Badger dude changed games. Eric Berry wasn't a slouch either.
 
2012-12-08 10:15:04 AM  

Serious Black: The_Six_Fingered_Man: assjuice: Sick of the Teo sob story. Not looking forward to hearing it again tonight. Hpefully he finishes a distant 3rd.

Has there ever been a pure defensive player that either of you thought was the most outstanding player that season? If there hasn't, what would a pure defensive player have to do to get on the short list, let alone win?


img805.imageshack.us

Tell me. Who's better out of these two?
 
2012-12-08 10:19:33 AM  

Pronoun: Serious Black: The_Six_Fingered_Man: assjuice: Sick of the Teo sob story. Not looking forward to hearing it again tonight. Hpefully he finishes a distant 3rd.

Has there ever been a pure defensive player that either of you thought was the most outstanding player that season? If there hasn't, what would a pure defensive player have to do to get on the short list, let alone win?

I mentioned Dorsey. The Honey Badger dude changed games. Eric Berry wasn't a slouch either.


Eh...I think Suh's 2009 season was better than Dorsey's 2007 season. Eric Berry's 2008 season was pretty awesome though. Tyrann Mathieu was pretty good last year, but I think they made the right call in not giving him the trophy.
 
2012-12-08 10:20:39 AM  
...tune in to watch Kirk Herbstreit's head explode

PPV?
 
2012-12-08 10:22:12 AM  

Civil_War2_Time: Serious Black: The_Six_Fingered_Man: assjuice: Sick of the Teo sob story. Not looking forward to hearing it again tonight. Hpefully he finishes a distant 3rd.

Has there ever been a pure defensive player that either of you thought was the most outstanding player that season? If there hasn't, what would a pure defensive player have to do to get on the short list, let alone win?

[img805.imageshack.us image 640x250]

Tell me. Who's better out of these two?


Man, Dat's a pretty solid season there. I have no idea how he didn't get an invite that year (whichever year that was).
 
2012-12-08 10:26:04 AM  

Serious Black: Pronoun: Serious Black: The_Six_Fingered_Man: assjuice: Sick of the Teo sob story. Not looking forward to hearing it again tonight. Hpefully he finishes a distant 3rd.

Has there ever been a pure defensive player that either of you thought was the most outstanding player that season? If there hasn't, what would a pure defensive player have to do to get on the short list, let alone win?

I mentioned Dorsey. The Honey Badger dude changed games. Eric Berry wasn't a slouch either.

Eh...I think Suh's 2009 season was better than Dorsey's 2007 season. Eric Berry's 2008 season was pretty awesome though. Tyrann Mathieu was pretty good last year, but I think they made the right call in not giving him the trophy.



Most of those are completely awesome remarks. And Suh was a beast in 2009, absolutely. But if you follow the footage, there is far more blatant attempts at injuring Dorsey (and succeeding) than Suh.

Suh was a freak on the line in the same vein as Dorsey. Suh didn't have to wreck his knees from dirty calls week in and out from the SEC whose only option was to chop block. Dorsey made a great run in 2007 but has been hobbled in the pros since. Suh made it out without the injuries and is still a force to be reckoned with.

Mathieu was passed over correctly. but the premise was that "skill" players that get touches often are far more accepted than a single player that the entire 11 man offensive squad has to prepare for. He and Berry shut down sides of the field. You could say the same about Patrick Peterson. Those defensive players removed sections of the field from play which is much harder to do that having a player with a field open select his options.
 
2012-12-08 10:26:58 AM  

Serious Black: Pronoun: Serious Black: The_Six_Fingered_Man: assjuice: Sick of the Teo sob story. Not looking forward to hearing it again tonight. Hpefully he finishes a distant 3rd.

Has there ever been a pure defensive player that either of you thought was the most outstanding player that season? If there hasn't, what would a pure defensive player have to do to get on the short list, let alone win?

I mentioned Dorsey. The Honey Badger dude changed games. Eric Berry wasn't a slouch either.

Eh...I think Suh's 2009 season was better than Dorsey's 2007 season. Eric Berry's 2008 season was pretty awesome though. Tyrann Mathieu was pretty good last year, but I think they made the right call in not giving him the trophy.


Suh was clearly the best player in college football in 2009. He deservedly got AP player of the year over what's his name from Alabama, dominated all year, kept an otherwise mediocre Nebraska team in all its games except TTU, and had them 1 second away from beating Texas after throwing Colt McCoy around like a ragdoll for four quarters.

They just need to rename the Heisman the best offensive player award and get it over with. If Suh didn't win it in '09, no defensive player ever will.
 
2012-12-08 10:27:53 AM  
Serious Black

Man, Dat's a pretty solid season there. I have no idea how he didn't get an invite that year (whichever year that was).

Dat was 1998.
 
2012-12-08 10:29:27 AM  

The_Six_Fingered_Man: assjuice: Sick of the Teo sob story. Not looking forward to hearing it again tonight. Hpefully he finishes a distant 3rd.


I don't get this thinking. Why hate on the kid when the media is the one who perpetuates that storyline and are the people that keep asking him about and talking about it? Seriously, after every game I've seen Teo talks about the great team win they've just had and then the reporter is the one that rehashes that story and tries to bring it back to him. And every single time he talks about how great his teammates are in supporting him and how he's just glad they're winning.

So are you hoping he loses just so the media doesn't talk about him as much over these next few weeks? Or is it because he doesn't deserve it based on his on field play?
 
2012-12-08 10:29:52 AM  

Civil_War2_Time: Serious Black: The_Six_Fingered_Man: assjuice: Sick of the Teo sob story. Not looking forward to hearing it again tonight. Hpefully he finishes a distant 3rd.

Has there ever been a pure defensive player that either of you thought was the most outstanding player that season? If there hasn't, what would a pure defensive player have to do to get on the short list, let alone win?

[img805.imageshack.us image 640x250]

Tell me. Who's better out of these two?



I'll go with the guy who won the Butkus award.
 
2012-12-08 10:30:20 AM  

velvet_fog: Serious Black: Pronoun: Serious Black: The_Six_Fingered_Man: assjuice: Sick of the Teo sob story. Not looking forward to hearing it again tonight. Hpefully he finishes a distant 3rd.

Has there ever been a pure defensive player that either of you thought was the most outstanding player that season? If there hasn't, what would a pure defensive player have to do to get on the short list, let alone win?

I mentioned Dorsey. The Honey Badger dude changed games. Eric Berry wasn't a slouch either.

Eh...I think Suh's 2009 season was better than Dorsey's 2007 season. Eric Berry's 2008 season was pretty awesome though. Tyrann Mathieu was pretty good last year, but I think they made the right call in not giving him the trophy.

Suh was clearly the best player in college football in 2009. He deservedly got AP player of the year over what's his name from Alabama, dominated all year, kept an otherwise mediocre Nebraska team in all its games except TTU, and had them 1 second away from beating Texas after throwing Colt McCoy around like a ragdoll for four quarters.

They just need to rename the Heisman the best offensive player award and get it over with. If Suh didn't win it in '09, no defensive player ever will.


I could get behind this idea if only the defensive player was given equal standing. Pipe dreams.
 
2012-12-08 10:36:47 AM  

downtownkid: Civil_War2_Time: Serious Black: The_Six_Fingered_Man: assjuice: Sick of the Teo sob story. Not looking forward to hearing it again tonight. Hpefully he finishes a distant 3rd.

Has there ever been a pure defensive player that either of you thought was the most outstanding player that season? If there hasn't, what would a pure defensive player have to do to get on the short list, let alone win?

[img805.imageshack.us image 640x250]

Tell me. Who's better out of these two?


I'll go with the guy who won the Butkus award.


Me, too.

Hey, wait a minute...
 
2012-12-08 10:41:14 AM  

Pronoun: Most of those are completely awesome remarks. And Suh was a beast in 2009, absolutely. But if you follow the footage, there is far more blatant attempts at injuring Dorsey (and succeeding) than Suh.


This may be true; I didn't see Dorsey play much in 2007. I would say Dorsey had a great case for being a finalist, but probably not so much of winning. Suh, OTOH, had one of the best cases for a pure defensive player to win the Heisman in a couple of decades.

Mathieu was passed over correctly. but the premise was that "skill" players that get touches often are far more accepted than a single player that the entire 11 man offensive squad has to prepare for. He and Berry shut down sides of the field. You could say the same about Patrick Peterson. Those defensive players removed sections of the field from play which is much harder to do that having a player with a field open select his options.

This is absolutely true. The best cornerbacks seem to have worse stats than those who are just good because QBs will refuse to throw to whoever they are blanketing. That's a really hard issue to account for. Do they keep track of how many times a receiver the defender is covering gets thrown to? That would be a good stat to use for Heisman cases in the secondary.
 
2012-12-08 10:41:29 AM  
Clowney should've gotten an invite. I know he wouldn't win since he's a D player without an interesting media hook but he's a better player than MT with better stats. And wasn't that what we were told 2 years ago when Scam Newton won it, that it was about the play and not the person?
 
2012-12-08 10:47:13 AM  

Digitalstrange: Clowney should've gotten an invite. I know he wouldn't win since he's a D player without an interesting media hook but he's a better player than MT with better stats. And wasn't that what we were told 2 years ago when Scam Newton won it, that it was about the play and not the person?


I can agree with that. He seems to be kind of one-dimensional though...only two passes defensed the entire season. Did he ever do anything on special teams like blocking kicks?
 
2012-12-08 10:50:35 AM  

Digitalstrange: Clowney should've gotten an invite. I know he wouldn't win since he's a D player without an interesting media hook but he's a better player than MT with better stats. And wasn't that what we were told 2 years ago when Scam Newton won it, that it was about the play and not the person?


the arguments for mark ingram went as follows
1) he should win it because he plays in the sec
2) he should win it because alabama has never has a heisman trophy winner before (or maybe they hadn't had one in a really long time)
 
2012-12-08 10:51:25 AM  

Civil_War2_Time: Serious Black

Man, Dat's a pretty solid season there. I have no idea how he didn't get an invite that year (whichever year that was).

Dat was 1998.


Yeah, beating Ricky Williams that year was probably not going to happy no matter what.
 
2012-12-08 10:55:10 AM  

Serious Black: Civil_War2_Time: Serious Black

Man, Dat's a pretty solid season there. I have no idea how he didn't get an invite that year (whichever year that was).

Dat was 1998.

Yeah, beating Ricky Williams that year was probably not going to happy no matter what.


Just as Manti shouldn't win it this year, either.
 
2012-12-08 10:55:39 AM  

Serious Black: Pronoun: Most of those are completely awesome remarks. And Suh was a beast in 2009, absolutely. But if you follow the footage, there is far more blatant attempts at injuring Dorsey (and succeeding) than Suh.

This may be true; I didn't see Dorsey play much in 2007. I would say Dorsey had a great case for being a finalist, but probably not so much of winning. Suh, OTOH, had one of the best cases for a pure defensive player to win the Heisman in a couple of decades.

Mathieu was passed over correctly. but the premise was that "skill" players that get touches often are far more accepted than a single player that the entire 11 man offensive squad has to prepare for. He and Berry shut down sides of the field. You could say the same about Patrick Peterson. Those defensive players removed sections of the field from play which is much harder to do that having a player with a field open select his options.

This is absolutely true. The best cornerbacks seem to have worse stats than those who are just good because QBs will refuse to throw to whoever they are blanketing. That's a really hard issue to account for. Do they keep track of how many times a receiver the defender is covering gets thrown to? That would be a good stat to use for Heisman cases in the secondary.


No, they don't. It is also incredibly difficult to have the voters watch all of the games in order to see who does what and how. Highlights are the key. What is easier to highlight? TD passes or massive influence in coverage?

The recent CBs had the advantage of returns to add to a reel. Suh had no such option, nor did Dorsey. I won't go so far to say as robbed, but the premise is flawed as is the system of obtaining the "most outstanding football player".

Offense is much more exciting on plays that result in TDs. Defense is boring to watch, moreso when a player can remove parts of the field only to be rewarded on a "mistake".
 
2012-12-08 11:10:56 AM  
I don't follow football that much, so I have a question for you. What Heisman winner had the best NFL career?
 
2012-12-08 11:13:01 AM  

well we're discussing defenders winning, what about some love for the offensive player that touched the ball on pretty much every offensive play this year for bama:

www.thealabamabaptist.org



barrett jones can straight up ball at all three line positions. he made the line calls this year as the center. he's a four year starter (two at guard, one at left tackle, and this year at center). oh and he just won the academic heisman with a 4.0 in accounting (actually he graduated last year) and is finishing up a masters still with a 4.0. also jones has won multiple awards for community service. oh and back to football, one of the reason bama could run for elevenity-billion yards on georgia is that jones could block their rotating pair of 350lb d tackles one on one. and he's got some lovely hair too.

/anyone but te'o...
 
2012-12-08 11:19:46 AM  

wiseolddude: I don't follow football that much, so I have a question for you. What Heisman winner had the best NFL career?


charlie ward has won more playoff games than any other heisman winner, so that's got to count for something.

and then there's bruce smith, oh wait...

actually i would probably say it comes down to oj, barry sanders, staubach, dorsett, or marcus and perhaps begrudgingly (since he didn't deserve it) woodson.

oh and don't forget tebow.
 
2012-12-08 11:23:03 AM  

The_Six_Fingered_Man: Te'o has no business being there if Ryan Shazier can't even get a sniff of an invite. Statistically better in every category other than INTs and apparently "leadership" and "wearing a uniform well."


Except they don't keep stats on blown assignments. Shazier makes some great plays, but he also has a tendency to get himself out of position and give up a big gain.
 
2012-12-08 11:31:35 AM  
Manziel is going to win it. Book it, done.
 
2012-12-08 11:52:59 AM  

A Fark Handle: well we're discussing defenders winning, what about some love for the offensive player that touched the ball on pretty much every offensive play this year for bama:

[www.thealabamabaptist.org image 368x245]

barrett jones can straight up ball at all three line positions. he made the line calls this year as the center. he's a four year starter (two at guard, one at left tackle, and this year at center). oh and he just won the academic heisman with a 4.0 in accounting (actually he graduated last year) and is finishing up a masters still with a 4.0. also jones has won multiple awards for community service. oh and back to football, one of the reason bama could run for elevenity-billion yards on georgia is that jones could block their rotating pair of 350lb d tackles one on one. and he's got some lovely hair too.

/anyone but te'o...



A 4.0 at Alabama is a 2.5 at Notre Dame.
 
2012-12-08 11:53:45 AM  

Serious Black: The_Six_Fingered_Man: assjuice: Sick of the Teo sob story. Not looking forward to hearing it again tonight. Hpefully he finishes a distant 3rd.

Has there ever been a pure defensive player that either of you thought was the most outstanding player that season? If there hasn't, what would a pure defensive player have to do to get on the short list, let alone win?


The answer for this question has always been Hugh Green, of course he was robbed.
 
2012-12-08 12:05:44 PM  

The_Six_Fingered_Man: Te'o has no business being there if Ryan Shazier can't even get a sniff of an invite. Statistically better in every category other than INTs and apparently "leadership" and "wearing a uniform well."


...

...

...I can name a dozen Buckeyes that would be better choices to go to New York than Ryan Shazier. And I don't even have to name Braxton Miller to do it.
 
2012-12-08 12:11:25 PM  

downtownkid: A 4.0 at Alabama is a 2.5 at Notre Dame.


perhaps, but that doesn't change the fact that barrett is a better football player than te'o.
 
2012-12-08 12:16:26 PM  

Serious Black: Digitalstrange: Clowney should've gotten an invite. I know he wouldn't win since he's a D player without an interesting media hook but he's a better player than MT with better stats. And wasn't that what we were told 2 years ago when Scam Newton won it, that it was about the play and not the person?

I can agree with that. He seems to be kind of one-dimensional though...only two passes defensed the entire season. Did he ever do anything on special teams like blocking kicks?


No he is pure D, that's why he will never win and as far as pass D you'd have to watch him play. He wont get many interceptions because he slips around and outside his blocker and comes back in to ride a QB like Zorro on most plays. His pure stats don't come close to doing him justice. After a quarter or 2 the QB gets some severe happy feet because they start hearing him behind them. Often they run right into the arms of another defender who gets credit for the tackle.

He is a big reason SC has 10 wins with an O that is solid but not spectacular. And the LSU loss was due to their D being able to stop our O, the D kept us within 2 points even in Death Valley at night. The Fla game got out of hand but that's because the O kept coughing the ball up deep in the red zone. by the 3rd quarter the game was over and the D let off the gas.

Obviously I am a biased fanboi but this kid is real.
 
2012-12-08 12:49:07 PM  

The_Six_Fingered_Man: Te'o has no business being there if Ryan Shazier can't even get a sniff of an invite. Statistically better in every category other than INTs and apparently "leadership" and "wearing a uniform well."


There was an argument I saw yesterday (farking from my phone, can't seem to find it) about how the stats of players on top defenses are artificially depressed because those defenses are seeing so few plays. The column compared MT's percentage of his own team's tackles, TFL, etc to other top D-side players and the comparison was quite favorable.
 
2012-12-08 12:51:10 PM  

Digitalstrange: Serious Black: Digitalstrange: Clowney should've gotten an invite. I know he wouldn't win since he's a D player without an interesting media hook but he's a better player than MT with better stats. And wasn't that what we were told 2 years ago when Scam Newton won it, that it was about the play and not the person?

I can agree with that. He seems to be kind of one-dimensional though...only two passes defensed the entire season. Did he ever do anything on special teams like blocking kicks?

No he is pure D, that's why he will never win and as far as pass D you'd have to watch him play. He wont get many interceptions because he slips around and outside his blocker and comes back in to ride a QB like Zorro on most plays. His pure stats don't come close to doing him justice. After a quarter or 2 the QB gets some severe happy feet because they start hearing him behind them. Often they run right into the arms of another defender who gets credit for the tackle.

He is a big reason SC has 10 wins with an O that is solid but not spectacular. And the LSU loss was due to their D being able to stop our O, the D kept us within 2 points even in Death Valley at night. The Fla game got out of hand but that's because the O kept coughing the ball up deep in the red zone. by the 3rd quarter the game was over and the D let off the gas.

Obviously I am a biased fanboi but this kid is real.


I've seen him play. I watched him last year in the bowl game against Nebraska. He's a great player. My point about him being one-dimensional is simply that he seems to be a sack machine and do, well, not much else. As a comparison, look at what Suh did back in 2009 compared to what Clowney has done this year (I know, different positions, but both on the D-line so bear with me):

- Solo tackles: 52 for Suh, 37 for Clowney (only 50 including assists).
- Passes broken up: 10 for Suh (one behind Prince Amukamara for the team lead), 2 for Clowney.
- Hurries: 19 for Suh, 5 for Clowney.
- Interceptions: 1 for Suh, 0 for Clowney.
- Kicks blocked: 3 for Suh, 0 for Clowney.

Suh was multi-dimensional. And like Clowney (at least in your words), he forced QBs into other people who got credit for a sack or other stat; Jared Crick, his major partner on the D-line that year, had 12.5 TFLs, 9.5 sacks, 4 passes broken up, and 14 hurries. Hell, those two put together had more hurries than the entire South Carolina team have had all this year!

I do think Clowney should have been a finalist this year. He's clearly excellent at what he does. If he can turn himself into a more multi-dimensional threat like JJ Watt is for the Texans this year, then he'll definitely be deserving of the Heisman.
 
2012-12-08 01:26:06 PM  
Step 1: Advertise football as the ultimate team game.
Step 2: Never give individual honors to anyone but a quarterback or runningback.
Step 3: Lol.
 
2012-12-08 01:48:25 PM  
 
2012-12-08 01:50:48 PM  
Oh, and for the record, this is how ESPN's writers voted on the Heisman week-to-week:

i.imgur.com
 
2012-12-08 02:30:14 PM  
As an Aggie I hope Johnny wins. He's a great player, had a great year,and made A&M's football team relevant.

That said, I would also be pleased if Te'o won. I'm no Notre Dame fan, but he was phenomenal at a position that doesn't touch the ball often. Plus it was ND's defence that really propelled them to the national title game.

Looking forward to tonight!
 
2012-12-08 02:35:27 PM  

velvet_fog: Serious Black: Pronoun: Serious Black: The_Six_Fingered_Man: assjuice: Sick of the Teo sob story. Not looking forward to hearing it again tonight. Hpefully he finishes a distant 3rd.

Has there ever been a pure defensive player that either of you thought was the most outstanding player that season? If there hasn't, what would a pure defensive player have to do to get on the short list, let alone win?

I mentioned Dorsey. The Honey Badger dude changed games. Eric Berry wasn't a slouch either.

Eh...I think Suh's 2009 season was better than Dorsey's 2007 season. Eric Berry's 2008 season was pretty awesome though. Tyrann Mathieu was pretty good last year, but I think they made the right call in not giving him the trophy.

Suh was clearly the best player in college football in 2009. He deservedly got AP player of the year over what's his name from Alabama, dominated all year, kept an otherwise mediocre Nebraska team in all its games except TTU, and had them 1 second away from beating Texas after throwing Colt McCoy around like a ragdoll for four quarters.

They just need to rename the Heisman the best offensive player award and get it over with. If Suh didn't win it in '09, no defensive player ever will.


This. A thousands times this.
 
2012-12-08 02:39:08 PM  
The Heisman will always be a joke until a O-lineman wins it.
 
2012-12-08 02:55:08 PM  

Lligeret: The Heisman will always be a joke until a O-lineman wins it.


It was a crime that Danny farkin' Wuerffel won over Orlando Pace in '96. And that Pace finished 4th shows just how much of a joke the voters are.
 
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