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(The Atlantic Wire)   Top seven obscure musical genres allegedly invented in 2012. "Old Guard music writers are still enthralled with this newfangled dubstep noise, but Beatport lurkers have already moved on to a more brash, hyperactive sound called trap"   (theatlanticwire.com) divider line 119
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2012-12-08 06:45:06 PM

Ishkur: And that precisely is the problem.


How is that a problem? Why should I bow down to your narrow view of music? You don't say EDM so that means as president of electronic music I should listen to you? Me not caring about your rules and such seems to be your problem , not mine, I'm going to keep enjoying EDM without subscribing to your newsletter.

Ishkur: It's not that I care what outsiders think insomuch as I care when they come inside and start messing up the place.

/farking tourist


That attitude is what I'm talking about, a music genre isn't a cult. Let people enjoy music, you're like a literal buzzkill.
 
2012-12-08 07:03:15 PM

TheJoe03: And it's still annoying.


You know what I really find annoying?

The fact that we have this immense depository of freedom and accessibility at our fingertips and no one farking uses it properly, because the dead truth about individualism is that people don't want it. When you give people unlimited freedom to be themselves, they just end up imitating each other.

People, if you can believe it, don't actually like choice. They want their decisions, their desires, their tastes, their habits, their moods, and everything that makes up the most important aspects of their lives decided for them. They like being told what to do and what to enjoy. It gives them a comfort zone, a purpose and a place in life knowing that someone somewhere is taking care of everything. It removes all the stress and responsibility from going out there and really enjoying something without fear of provocation or social ostracization. Go with the winner, join the herd, like what everyone else likes, fall in -- life becomes so much easier that way. You can practically put it on auto-pilot, replace your thoughts and ideas with the seething mass of market uniformity. Live a second-hand life, bereft of compulsion, ambition or conflict

Thinking for yourself is hard work, and people don't like doing things that are hard.

In the old days, a person had limited contact and understanding of what the general mindset of a subculture considered good. He had to go out and listen to the music himself, on his own terms, almost in a vacuum, with limited amounts of external persuasion. He had to uncover the nooks and crannies of underculture. He experimented, he taste-tested, he spent a lot of time in record shops, at after-parties talking to people, hanging out with DJs in dank basements with old analog gear getting drunk/stoned and making stupid geek music. In short, simply absorbing the culture and participating in it, understanding it and growing with it. He did a lot of things hardly anyone today does.

Today, a person is spoonfed his culture through hype, money and marketing. He is constantly told what is good, what is big, what is popular, what is expensive, and he accepts it as readily as any of us accept an "amazing new study or find" in the latest paper by whatever science thinktank. Because we rely on those people to tell us how the world works; they are the "experts". And who are we to disagree with people more knowledgeable than us in the field?

But in those old days, the "experts" were your friends and the living experiences you acquired while partaking in the culture. Today, the "experts" are press releases from Vandit or Black Hole Recordings or, god fearing, pretentious nonsense from RichDork Media. The difference is one is honest and self-reinforcing, the other is parasitical and encroaching.

Sure, there are more avenues of communication today, but why praise all this new signal when its stuffed with so much noise? At least the old ways had a bottleneck and a filter. Those who were eager and enthusiastic enough to want to participate in the culture eventually found it and enjoyed themselves. Those who were too lazy and wanted everything spoonfed to them eventually gave up because it was too hard. And things should have stayed that way.

Today it's not hard anymore. But the problem is not the accessibility, the problem is the popularity. As with most things, the more people involved in something, the slower and stupider that thing tends to be. At its outset every genre is earnest -- raw, arresting, experimentative, with limitless power and persuasion in it. It has feeling, humanity, and emotion, undeterred by bullshiat, uncorrupted by frivolous gimmicks, and unswayed by money and pop uniformity.

But as soon as it reaches a critical mass wave of popularity, a second generation of commentators and producers take over eager to capitalize it, and they water it down into a fake, feather-lite, shiny, plastic shell of its once proud sense of self-worth. Bright and crisp, like a predictable Hollywood blockbuster, armed with relentless PR and marketing of big DJs, big stadiums, big sing-a-long anthems. Cheap, canned, candy-coated happy clown music. Not even the genre in its essence -- a total bastardization and betrayal.

True culture comes from the bottom up. Grassroot level. It bubbles, it cultivates, and it broods among like-mindeds for social sustenance. It is to be cherished, valued, and preserved. Things like "electronica" did not come from the bottom up. They came from the top down. From corporate oligarchies. From boardroom execs, from suits, from marketers and psychologists and cultural engineers who needed a "label" attached to a "fad" so the very values of your culture can be ripped from you, slapped with a pricetag and sold back to you by those who never cared much about it in the first place and to whom it was never their right to do so. The transference of social wealth from culture to commodity.



Of course, you are free to not care about any of this. Just that you recognize why it is that you do not care: Because you prefer to swallow culture, not create it. To be a spectator of your own life, not a participant. To embrace a culture of passivity, of under-achievement, of purchasing the hollow shell of the ideal lifestyle (As Seen on TV), not working towards achieving it. Where every flavour of creativity, ambition, originality and diversity is mashed into the omnipresent control of market uniformity.

By all means, proceed.
 
2012-12-08 07:04:07 PM

TheJoe03: How is that a problem?


Read above.
 
2012-12-08 07:06:07 PM

TheJoe03: why does it matter when so much good electronic music is being made right now?


A lot of good electronic music IS being made right now. But when I go to a festival, club or rave, I never hear any of that good music.

And that is a serious problem.
 
2012-12-08 07:09:12 PM

TheJoe03: Let people enjoy music


I have no problem with letting people enjoy any music they like..... until it interferes with the music I like.
 
2012-12-08 07:13:22 PM

Ishkur: Of course, you are free to not care about any of this. Just that you recognize why it is that you do not care: Because you prefer to swallow culture, not create it.


Sad that you assume that's what I'm like, cause I agree with your long post.
 
2012-12-08 07:14:48 PM

Ishkur: A lot of good electronic music IS being made right now. But when I go to a festival, club or rave, I never hear any of that good music.

And that is a serious problem.


There ya go, if you actually address my points I get a better understanding of what you're talking about, that makes sense and I agree that it's a problem if that's what you're dealing with.
 
2012-12-08 07:56:04 PM

TheJoe03: Sad that you assume that's what I'm like, cause I agree with your long post.


Then stop saying you don't care. And stop complaining about people who actually have the gall to stand up for certain ideals.
 
2012-12-08 09:34:54 PM

Ishkur: Then stop saying you don't care.


I'm saying I don't care that you think EDM is an unacceptable term, because it is an acceptable term IMO. Your long post that I agreed with had nothing to do with that original argument we had concerning the term EDM.
 
2012-12-08 11:03:23 PM
Ishkur:
Of course, you are free to not care about any of this. Just that you recognize why it is that you do not care: Because you prefer to swallow culture, not create it. To be a spectator of your own life, not a participant. To embrace a culture of passivity, of under-achievement, of purchasing the hollow shell of the ideal lifestyle (As Seen on TV), not working towards achieving it. Where every flavour of creativity, ambition, originality and diversity is mashed into the omnipresent control of market uniformity.


Oh my aching head. Just because someone doesn't care about all of shiatty little categories of music does mean any of that horseshiat psychobabble you posted. And it certainly doesn't warrant you being a major dickhead toward the guy.
 
2012-12-08 11:27:08 PM
"Music evolution change
Sometimes the common makes it sound strange
Add a little this, take out a little that
Then you'll come up with jazz called rap
Where it's at, bring it back
Because it is an ill format

Once upon a time not long ago
When all the cats went to hear Satchmo blow
Groovin' at a tempo fast or slow
Jazz was at a new plateau ready to grow
Also developing ways to make dough
Although we always heard no when at a show
The Klan couldn't keep the man from makin' mo'
Better blues, kinda confused here's the news
These grooves is better than your blue suede shoes
Some G's are fake and some will make moves
I prove jazz gone up another level
Real without making a deal with the devil
And so, I'm about to let the world know
That bebop and skattin' was an old school flow
Callaway was a dope MC, you didn't know?
Now that the years gone by some will try
Try to make that hip hop and jazz thing die
When it was skat before it was rap, Yo it was fly
Now it brings tears to the eye, oh my
I didn't hear that back in the days
I wonder why..."
 
2012-12-09 12:38:08 AM

TheJoe03: I'm saying I don't care that you think EDM is an unacceptable term, because it is an acceptable term IMO. Your long post that I agreed with had nothing to do with that original argument we had concerning the term EDM.


It has everything to do with it.

/if you let THEM define YOUR music for you, you have lost
 
2012-12-09 01:35:50 AM

mooseyfate: *turns up Tool, ignores world*


Listening to the new Isis as I read this thread and that gave me a chuckle.
 
2012-12-09 02:26:05 AM

mooseyfate: Cloudchaser Sakonige the Red Wolf: Pass, I'll stick with Neue Deutsche Härte

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I'd love to see Rammstein in concert again, but this time I'd like them to be headlining. They have one of, if not THE, finest show in metal. And that picture just further cements my opinion.

/please come to nola, please come to nola, please come to nola...


I saw then headlining in Atlanta this past May and yeah, their show is awesome!
 
2012-12-09 08:28:30 AM

Ishkur: /if you let THEM define YOUR music for you, you have lost


I don't, which is why I refuse to let you do the same, you dig?
 
2012-12-09 09:22:02 AM
There's just King Crimson and then there's everything else, man.
 
2012-12-09 10:15:59 AM
You either like Tool or you don't. Don't expect a kidney from me if you don't start making air hammer noises with your mouth and screaming LIFE FEEDS ON LIFE whenver you see a PETA sticker.
 
2012-12-09 11:33:12 AM
I only like them with Hawkman
 
2012-12-09 02:15:49 PM

TheJoe03: I don't, which is why I refuse to let you do the same, you dig?


Yes, well, I hope to clarify the reasons behind that shortly.
 
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