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(The Atlantic Wire)   Top seven obscure musical genres allegedly invented in 2012. "Old Guard music writers are still enthralled with this newfangled dubstep noise, but Beatport lurkers have already moved on to a more brash, hyperactive sound called trap"   (theatlanticwire.com) divider line 119
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2012-12-08 05:04:17 AM

LonMead: How is it "sort of like the opposite of that"?

And yes, I'm familiar with circuit bending. Reznor, in fact, has talked on radio interviews about how he blew out a number of amps and mixer boards experimenting to get his sound.


I mean that the end result of djent is a more discrete (not discreet) guitar sound, as opposed to something like "extremely loud static being used as percussion".
 
2012-12-08 05:34:59 AM
I always wondered what the sound of Ishkur shouting into the void of space would sound like
 
2012-12-08 05:50:17 AM
I say, is this the Chap Hop thread?

Jolly good.
 
2012-12-08 05:58:36 AM
Wait seapunk the music is a real thing now? Seapunk the fashion started as a joke...so now there really is seapunk music? I really hate myself for typing those words.

God I'm getting old.

But seriously they should really make a new genre, troll music, and that's where seapunk should go.
 
2012-12-08 06:03:20 AM
Pass, I'll stick with Neue Deutsche Härte

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2012-12-08 06:09:27 AM
every time I see the phrase "EDM" as a hip, catchall phrase to describe everything from grime to garage to techno to house to breaks to dubstep, I want to seriously hit whoever is using it. fark me, when I was listening to Kiss 100 back in 1992 when it was illegally broadcasting, we didn't have no EDM. Now everyone who stands behinds some decks with their headphones tilted at a jaunty angle is EDM. It's farking stupid.

/yeah, I'll get off my own damn lawn
 
2012-12-08 06:31:14 AM

mome23: Genres are stupid, arbitrary, and created in hindsight. I used to work at a paleolithic retail workspace called a record store. It was my belief then as it is now that the only division of recordings should be between classical and everything else. And that division is only because the classical world is usually organized by composer rather than performer.


Good times, then real music was made
 
2012-12-08 06:33:08 AM
oi47.tinypic.com

^ rocklodytes
 
2012-12-08 06:52:23 AM

sloughtown4ever: every time I see the phrase "EDM" as a hip, catchall phrase to describe everything from grime to garage to techno to house to breaks to dubstep, I want to seriously hit whoever is using it. fark me, when I was listening to Kiss 100 back in 1992 when it was illegally broadcasting, we didn't have no EDM. Now everyone who stands behinds some decks with their headphones tilted at a jaunty angle is EDM


EDM was originally coined on the TranceAddict forums and it came into common usage during the tail end of trance's explosive period (around '01-'02). It was used as a catch-all to describe music that "trance" DJs played that couldn't realistically be called trance anymore and generally referred to progressive (especially Mcprog), vocal trance aka eurodance, house, tech house, and anything else in vogue at the time or that came later (ie: electroclash, electro house and swedish house). It was rarely used to refer to jungle/dnb, breaks, garage (either 2-step or dubstep), or anything else that wasn't 4-to-the-floor.

Really, it was just a pet term used by TAs and it's amusing to see it now be the NEW mainstream word for all electronic music, the third era of such, to go along with the "techno" era (88-96) and the "electronica" era (97-05). That is how the music press will probably write about it.

Those divisions nor those descriptors don't actually exist in the scene, however.
 
2012-12-08 07:01:55 AM
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It's all just disco, and disco still does suck.
 
2012-12-08 07:10:15 AM
They just invent new names to intimidate those of us who are older and liked some form of electronic music a decade or 2 ago. But when you listen to it, it seems a lot like the older version with a few extras.
 
2012-12-08 07:19:25 AM
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... performer for jumping on the current electronic dance music bandwagon (" Earthling," his latest record, relies heavily on driving jungle beats). ...


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2012-12-08 07:21:52 AM

Mr. Underhills Lunch Bill: CHAP HOP FOR THE WIN

MR. B


Now see here, I think you need a sit down and strong cup of tea. While enthusiasm is all well and good please never forget what Chap Hop stands for before you click on the submit button. Capital letters should only be used at the beginning of sentences and for names, not to make a point online like some colonial from the southern reaches.

Now Mr B is indeed the best Chap Hop star and Professor Elemental is merely raps Nick Clegg.
 
2012-12-08 07:28:57 AM

Ishkur: sloughtown4ever: every time I see the phrase "EDM" as a hip, catchall phrase to describe everything from grime to garage to techno to house to breaks to dubstep, I want to seriously hit whoever is using it. fark me, when I was listening to Kiss 100 back in 1992 when it was illegally broadcasting, we didn't have no EDM. Now everyone who stands behinds some decks with their headphones tilted at a jaunty angle is EDM

EDM was originally coined on the TranceAddict forums and it came into common usage during the tail end of trance's explosive period (around '01-'02). It was used as a catch-all to describe music that "trance" DJs played that couldn't realistically be called trance anymore and generally referred to progressive (especially Mcprog), vocal trance aka eurodance, house, tech house, and anything else in vogue at the time or that came later (ie: electroclash, electro house and swedish house). It was rarely used to refer to jungle/dnb, breaks, garage (either 2-step or dubstep), or anything else that wasn't 4-to-the-floor.

Really, it was just a pet term used by TAs and it's amusing to see it now be the NEW mainstream word for all electronic music, the third era of such, to go along with the "techno" era (88-96) and the "electronica" era (97-05). That is how the music press will probably write about it.

Those divisions nor those descriptors don't actually exist in the scene, however.


yeah, I kind of hate seeing Skrillex (urgh) and deadmau5 (kinda urgh) both under the umbrella of EDM. One produces the shiattiest, laziest form of dubstep known to man the other is just a plain tit. Gimme some good 4/4 beats or concussive breaks and I'm fine
 
2012-12-08 07:43:42 AM

rev. dave: They just invent new names to intimidate those of us who are older and liked some form of electronic music a decade or 2 ago. But when you listen to it, it seems a lot like the older version with a few extras.


I liked industrial a lot.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=acQTtkVwC2c
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D63gAK1GuN4

Recent music mostly sounds like that pacifying music from Brave New World to me now. I wish there were still industrial bars around town, not places filled with sad middle-aged men with guts and bald spots.
 
2012-12-08 08:01:14 AM

TheJoe03: I guess I'll throw Glitch-hop out there, it's decent. Most of these things are sub-genres though, hip-hop is pretty much the last genre invented, everything else has been a sub genre of something else.


Glitch is about the only electronic I listen to now-a-days. Cex is my personal fav and autechre is good too. Havent kept up on any new groups lol.
 
2012-12-08 08:33:03 AM
I believe there's a marker for pedo rap which has yet to be exploited.

Also, all that new stuff sucks.
/dohws fan
 
2012-12-08 08:36:22 AM

497.5 Feet of Rope: JasonOfOrillia: The art of noise is paranoid.

That's what you think.


The Art of Noise is weird.
 
2012-12-08 09:24:10 AM
I shuddered when I saw the term "Tumblr Wave"


mome23: Genres are stupid, arbitrary, and created in hindsight. I used to work at a paleolithic retail workspace called a record store. It was my belief then as it is now that the only division of recordings should be between classical and everything else. And that division is only because the classical world is usually organized by composer rather than performer.


I would never take any of your recommendations seriously.
 
2012-12-08 09:57:31 AM

REO-Weedwagon: My favorite genre of music is punk, which was invented by Green Day Avril Lavigne.


FTFY
 
2012-12-08 10:07:34 AM
 
2012-12-08 10:55:58 AM

Trollin4Colon: Glitch is about the only electronic I listen to now-a-days. Cex is my personal fav and autechre is good too. Havent kept up on any new groups lol.


My user name was inspired by the glitch music of Pole, Kid606, Funkstorung, and a good portion of Mille Plateaux. I don't find the style that interesting any more though.

Dub techno and Basic Channel inspired techno is what I keep up with nowadays.
 
2012-12-08 11:09:48 AM
media.npr.org
 
2012-12-08 11:36:22 AM
Trap?

I think they meant ClapTrap

i.imgur.com
 
2012-12-08 12:39:18 PM
Music is music. If it sounds good, I'll listen to it. I don't always know what genre or sub-genre it is, but I don't really care.
 
2012-12-08 01:28:10 PM

Glitchwerks: Dub techno and Basic Channel inspired techno is what I keep up with nowadays.


heh. Always had you pegged as a 313 snob.
 
2012-12-08 03:14:49 PM

Cloudchaser Sakonige the Red Wolf: Pass, I'll stick with Neue Deutsche Härte

[upload.wikimedia.org image 800x600]



I'd love to see Rammstein in concert again, but this time I'd like them to be headlining. They have one of, if not THE, finest show in metal. And that picture just further cements my opinion.

/please come to nola, please come to nola, please come to nola...
 
2012-12-08 04:14:15 PM

kingoomieiii: What you know as "Dubstep" is actually "Brostep".


I know what brostep is and I got into dubstep before that became a thing, I was listening to the British stuff like Benga, Caspa, and the guy who influenced brostep, Rusko (others too). Personally I hate brostep just because I hate that mid range, computer rape, Skrillex shiat. Zed's Dead is cool though.
 
2012-12-08 04:15:58 PM

sloughtown4ever: every time I see the phrase "EDM" as a hip, catchall phrase to describe everything from grime to garage to techno to house to breaks to dubstep, I want to seriously hit whoever is using it.


Why? I guess I used to call it all "electronica" but whatever, electronic music needed a simple catch all name.
 
2012-12-08 04:22:15 PM

TheJoe03: sloughtown4ever: every time I see the phrase "EDM" as a hip, catchall phrase to describe everything from grime to garage to techno to house to breaks to dubstep, I want to seriously hit whoever is using it.

Why? I guess I used to call it all "electronica" but whatever, electronic music needed a simple catch all name.


it reeks of lazy journalism. Is Skrillex EDM? No, he's (farking awful) dubstep. Is deadmau5 EDM? No, he makes farking house. Are the Plump DJs EDM? No, they do breaks.
 
2012-12-08 04:47:21 PM

TheJoe03: Why? I guess I used to call it all "electronica" but whatever, electronic music needed a simple catch all name.


Yeah: electronic music.

Is that so hard?
 
2012-12-08 04:48:54 PM

sloughtown4ever: Is Skrillex EDM? No, he's (farking awful) dubstep. Is deadmau5 EDM? No, he makes farking house. Are the Plump DJs EDM? No, they do breaks.


But they all make electronic music and are all part of a larger genre than their subgenre. No one in hip hop thinks gangsta rap has no relation with alternative hip hop and no one in rock acts like punk and prog aren't both forms of rock. So yeah, Skrillex, Deadmau5, and Plump DJs are all part of EDM or electronica, despite what their subgenre is. Ya know, this kind of complaining only happens in electronic music though.
 
2012-12-08 04:51:23 PM

Ishkur: Yeah: electronic music.

Is that so hard?


Is EDM hard to say as well? Plus hip hop is technically electronic music so maybe they needed to be more specific? EDM fans need to stop being so hipster about their music. Any talk of it in the mainstream arouses an anger we haven't seen in a while.
 
2012-12-08 04:55:17 PM

TheJoe03: Is EDM hard to say as well?


Let me put it to you this way: It outs you as poseur.

Either that or a trance cracker.

/same with electronica
//and techno
///corporate marketing buzzwords, not culture
////this attitude predates hipsters
 
2012-12-08 04:57:42 PM

TheJoe03: Ya know, this kind of complaining only happens in electronic music though.


No, it happens in every music scene -- and indeed, in every culture -- when their values are co-opted and corrupted by outsiders.
 
2012-12-08 05:00:23 PM
Good grief..So much of this is just splitting already split hairs that were split from a split hair...
It's not as if any of this is really that different. It's not like Orchestral music compared to
Bluegrass..This is one minutia sub genre of electronic music compared to another with the only
difference being a slightly different content focus..
 
2012-12-08 05:13:30 PM

Ishkur: Let me put it to you this way: It outs you as poseur.


You see, I don't care, I listen to what I listen to and call it what I want. I don't need a genre Nazi telling me what to say, not to mention all the people I know in the scene that call it EDM, but because you don't like it they are all apparently posers. fark that high school mentality, when will EDM go beyond that?
 
2012-12-08 05:15:07 PM

Ishkur: No, it happens in every music scene -- and indeed, in every culture -- when their values are co-opted and corrupted by outsiders.


It was bound to happen, the good music never stops though, why do you care so much what these outsiders think anyway? Music genres shouldn't be treated like a cult.
 
2012-12-08 05:16:17 PM

Ishkur: ////this attitude predates hipsters


And it's still annoying.
 
2012-12-08 05:27:34 PM
Well, that certainly escalated.

TheJoe03: fark that high school mentality, when will EDM go beyond that?


I see that mentality in every type of music like rap, punk, metal, indie, and so on. It's not confined to electronic music.

I also see Ishkur's point that electronic music has been co-opted and corrupted by outsiders.

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And, yeah, people who have listened to this music for a while think it's wrong.
 
2012-12-08 05:31:45 PM

Glitchwerks: I see that mentality in every type of music like rap, punk, metal, indie, and so on. It's not confined to electronic music.


All those genres have already gone through that phase.

Glitchwerks: I also see Ishkur's point that electronic music has been co-opted and corrupted by outsiders.


I don't disagree, but why does it matter when so much good electronic music is being made right now? I just always hated the cultish nature of any genre, people that hate when said genre becomes successful. I love hip-hop and we all know the war between the backpackers and pop rappers, but I don't care as long as good hip hop is still being made. plus Deadmau5 isn't that bad.
 
2012-12-08 05:45:58 PM

TheJoe03: All those genres have already gone through that phase.


I see them still going through it daily on forums on what.cd, Discogs, or any other music board out there.

TheJoe03: I don't disagree, but why does it matter when so much good electronic music is being made right now?


I don't think I'm up to explaining it any more, and certainly not arguing about it.

TheJoe03: plus Deadmau5 isn't that bad.


Yeah, actually he is. He tried to rip off Orlando Voorn, he regularly disses his fans, and so on. The only thing I laughed at is when he admitted how little he actually does up on stage. However, all the DJs who really do put effort into what they do were more than a little upset.
 
2012-12-08 05:53:47 PM

Glitchwerks: I don't think I'm up to explaining it any more, and certainly not arguing about it.


I'm not even arguing, I just don't get why people care so much about the mainstream when we have the internet and can listen to whatever we want.

Glitchwerks: I see them still going through it daily on forums on what.cd, Discogs, or any other music board out there.


And I hate that, these people are missing out on so much by just being nostalgic and close minded. Like I feel bad for all the hip hop heads that complained throughout the 00s about hip hop being dead when during that time alternative hip hop and underground were better than they ever were. Basically I'm not arguing with anyone, just saying I don't like genre hipsters or whatever you wish to call them. Way too much effort spent on complaining instead of listening to what's truly going on. plus I only got into this discussion because electronic fans are so stuck in the anger phase of shifting to the mainstream that apparently EDM is not an acceptable term for some reason.

As for Deadmau5, he comes off as a prick, and his disrespect for DJs is beyond my understanding, but the music he put out isn't bad. I guess I don't care enough about the sideshow to hate on the guy that much. There's so many people worse than him musically.
 
2012-12-08 06:21:44 PM

TheJoe03: I'm not even arguing, I just don't get why people care so much about the mainstream when we have the internet and can listen to whatever we want.


I wasn't really trying to suggest you were. I just know where these discussions go, other people may interject and so on. I'm not up for it. Just sayin', not pointing fingers or anything.

TheJoe03: Way too much effort spent on complaining instead of listening to what's truly going on. plus I only got into this discussion because electronic fans are so stuck in the anger phase of shifting to the mainstream that apparently EDM is not an acceptable term for some reason.


I guess it's complicated, and I'm not trying to take a side here or get drawn into a huge discussion.

TheJoe03: the music he put out isn't bad.


That's subjective. I, personally, cannot stand his or most of the music that's in the mainstream right now. Everyone is using the same sawtooth synth sounds to the point it's absolutely annoying. And everything is mastered to be as loud as possible. Please note I'm not saying I hate the mainstream. Just where the production is at.

You flip on some underground shiat and it's a different sound entirely. Deep pads, warm synths, massive bass lines, good atmospheres, great mastering. Most EDM just sounds like white noise to me now.
 
2012-12-08 06:28:14 PM
16 Canada vs. White Noise
 
2012-12-08 06:30:49 PM
Reading stories like this reminds me of a friend of mine who, back in the late 90's, got hired by an internet music distribution start-up (now defunct) to organize their electronic music collection by genre. He was fired after three weeks when he sorted 14,456 songs into 13, 397 genres.
 
2012-12-08 06:32:40 PM

Glitchwerks: I wasn't really trying to suggest you were. I just know where these discussions go, other people may interject and so on. I'm not up for it. Just sayin', not pointing fingers or anything.


Fair enough, that's
 
2012-12-08 06:33:15 PM
...probably a good idea.
 
2012-12-08 06:37:49 PM

TheJoe03: You see, I don't care,


And that precisely is the problem.
 
2012-12-08 06:39:58 PM

TheJoe03: why do you care so much what these outsiders think anyway?


It's not that I care what outsiders think insomuch as I care when they come inside and start messing up the place.

/farking tourist
 
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