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(The Atlantic Wire)   Top seven obscure musical genres allegedly invented in 2012. "Old Guard music writers are still enthralled with this newfangled dubstep noise, but Beatport lurkers have already moved on to a more brash, hyperactive sound called trap"   (theatlanticwire.com) divider line 119
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2012-12-08 12:19:01 AM
Queer Rap? Oh my.
 
2012-12-08 12:22:52 AM
A hundred different names for the same autotuned electronic crap.
 
2012-12-08 12:22:54 AM
"Top seven obscure musical genres allegedly invented in 2012. "Old Guard music writers are still enthralled with this newfangled dubstep noise, but Beatport lurkers have already moved on to a more brash, hyperactive sound called tcrap"

FTFY, subby
 
2012-12-08 12:23:19 AM
Admiral Ackbar nods approvingly.
 
2012-12-08 12:25:51 AM
I have a bunch of really gread dubstep re-mixes of Lou Reed's Metal Machine Music.
 
2012-12-08 12:29:02 AM
this is the real avant-garde cutting edge

get hip while you still can!
 
2012-12-08 12:29:55 AM
Genres are stupid, arbitrary, and created in hindsight. I used to work at a paleolithic retail workspace called a record store. It was my belief then as it is now that the only division of recordings should be between classical and everything else. And that division is only because the classical world is usually organized by composer rather than performer.
 
2012-12-08 12:34:35 AM
Drill Drill Drill (Dugga Dugga Dugga)
Link
 
2012-12-08 12:35:56 AM
I guess I'll throw Glitch-hop out there, it's decent. Most of these things are sub-genres though, hip-hop is pretty much the last genre invented, everything else has been a sub genre of something else.
 
2012-12-08 12:37:34 AM
I clicked forward in all of these examples looking for something truly innovative. I look back at the dubstep thing; it's electronica with a drop. And the drop has been done in many ways many times before. Wake me up when someone does something new.

/The art of noise is paranoid.
 
2012-12-08 12:48:42 AM

TheJoe03: I guess I'll throw Glitch-hop out there


It's a sub-genre of glitch which has been around since the mid 90's.

Nothing's really been innovated for some time - what we have now is just mixing and matching of genres to form new sub-genres.
 
2012-12-08 12:51:13 AM
So basically, reinventing 1980s genres with all the levels pushed up to complete flatness.
 
2012-12-08 12:54:00 AM

Snapper Carr: It's a sub-genre of glitch which has been around since the mid 90's.


I know, it's a somewhat new sub-genre though.
 
2012-12-08 12:54:52 AM
Whatever you call it it's spelled "c-r-a-p."
 
2012-12-08 12:58:12 AM
imgs.xkcd.com

/Reminds me of this.
 
2012-12-08 01:06:18 AM

JasonOfOrillia: Wake me up when someone does something new.


Everything is a riff off of something else. Nothing is new.
 
2012-12-08 01:06:24 AM
genre arguments: worse than vinyl/digital arguments.
 
2012-12-08 01:07:20 AM
CHAP HOP FOR THE WIN

MR. B
 
2012-12-08 01:12:23 AM
6 hip hop 1 electronica

Could have been a fun fark thread with something metal.
 
2012-12-08 01:19:53 AM
AH fark it, I like music enough to review what I just head.

Drill: Basically a more proudly ignant version of gangsta rap. It's what would happen if Based God was a thug. Hardly a new sub genre within hip-hop, except that I guess it's a regional thing. Chicago gangsta crunk?

Trap: Hip-hop and EDM have been mixed together from the beginning but this appears to be more about mixing gangsta southern rap with downtempo EDM. I kind of like the song I heard but I always liked downtempo and hip hop influenced EDM.

Hipster House: Oh boy, whatever I just heard sounded very dated, basically just old house. I know hipsters idolize the 80s but that was nothing new at all.

Ratchet: I guess a term created to identify music influenced by hyphy and crunk.

Queer Rap: Gangstalicious come to life or maybe what Lil Wayne really wants to be. Anyway, the song wasn't bad but him being gay was the only reason they would say dude was part of the gay rap genre. It's like saying there is a genre called female rap or something. Good that these guys are breaking that barrier in hip hop though.

Tumblr Wave: The worst thing I've heard in a while. Just awful and there is nothing redeeming about it, well maybe the beat but not really.

Seapunk: Sounds like 90s EDM but I guess the whole point of the genre is that they go on virtual sea journeys or something. Probably requires psychedelics to understand fully.
 
2012-12-08 01:20:47 AM

12349876: Could have been a fun fark thread with something metal.


Well what's happening with metal, and hard rock in general?
 
2012-12-08 01:22:05 AM

TheJoe03: 12349876: Could have been a fun fark thread with something metal.

Well what's happening with metal, and hard rock in general?


There could be a fun debate about djent. I'll let others take the first shot.
 
2012-12-08 01:23:50 AM
Americans probably think K-pop was invented this year. And in a related note, I cannot stop listening to Right Now. Seriously, it's been on repeat for a goddamn hour now. It's an awesome song once you learn what the lyrics supposedly mean.
 
2012-12-08 01:27:38 AM

TheJoe03: 12349876: Could have been a fun fark thread with something metal.

Well what's happening with metal, and hard rock in general?


fat old men in spandex and wigs screaming angry songs about the devil

same as it ever was....same as it ever was
 
2012-12-08 01:29:45 AM
slimepunk isn't real. and trap is just witchhouse in denial.
 
2012-12-08 01:29:55 AM
"Ratchet"? More like racket. Hip hop pollutant.
 
2012-12-08 01:36:01 AM

TheJoe03: Queer Rap? Oh my.


What what?
 
2012-12-08 01:41:01 AM
Sorry, I've already moved onto electroflop ubergarp echolocation gobboblitz. You'd probably never heard of it, it's not mainstream yet.
 
2012-12-08 01:53:03 AM

mome23: Drill Drill Drill (Dugga Dugga Dugga)
Link


cache.ohinternet.com
 
2012-12-08 01:54:19 AM

JasonOfOrillia: The art of noise is paranoid.


That's what you think.
 
2012-12-08 01:54:25 AM
Dubstep has been around for almost a decade now, it was being made when skrillex was still shiatting his britches.
 
2012-12-08 01:56:40 AM
So when will we have the top 2012 list of top 2012 lists?
 
2012-12-08 02:00:04 AM

TheJoe03: Hipster House: Oh boy, whatever I just heard sounded very dated, basically just old house. I know hipsters idolize the 80s but that was nothing new at all.


That was my take on it, too. Sounded like bog standard house to me.
 
2012-12-08 02:00:04 AM

duffblue: Dubstep has been around for almost a decade now, it was being made when skrillex was still shiatting his britches.


As an American, I didn't hear of it until 2008.
 
2012-12-08 02:00:43 AM

TheJoe03: 12349876: Could have been a fun fark thread with something metal.

Well what's happening with metal, and hard rock in general?


In the metal scene:
Everyone is trying to recreate what made Red Chord so great, while pretending The Red Chord isn't so great.
 
2012-12-08 02:13:24 AM
My favorite genre of music is punk, which was invented by Green Day.
 
2012-12-08 02:32:42 AM
I totally read that headline in Stefon's voice:

2.bp.blogspot.com 

4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-12-08 02:46:17 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0iRTB-FTMdk

wheres Chap Hop at?
 
2012-12-08 03:04:29 AM
*turns up Tool, ignores world*
 
2012-12-08 03:28:54 AM
They didn't even link to the craziest Mykki Blanco video
 
2012-12-08 03:41:25 AM
I agree with Billy Joel.

Call it a different name if it makes you feel better, but it's still just rock'n'roll.
 
2012-12-08 03:43:45 AM
Not a word on chap hop? Deplorable.
 
2012-12-08 03:44:58 AM

constantleon29: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0iRTB-FTMdk

wheres Chap Hop at?


*shakes impotent fist at thee*
 
2012-12-08 04:26:08 AM
Not obscure to me.

But then again, I kinda pay attention to this stuff. It's my thing.

/no, don't ask me about it
//it's coming
///honest
 
2012-12-08 04:39:42 AM
Oh, and the only real genres there are Trap and Seapunk. The rest are just pseudonyms and/or one artist making the stuff and self-designating it (one artist does not a genre make. There has to at least be one label dedicated to making it).

Seapunk is a genre in the Chiptune family that mixes video game chipsets with indie rock/shoegazer (think Crystal Castles, etc.).

Trap is a real thing - it's where all the Bass music guys went (Rick Ross, etc.) when they got sick of Moombahton which replaced Crunk.

There's a logical progression to genres when you break everything down, and any specified genre really only has a lifespan of about 3-5 years, tops, before it evolves into something else or splits off into child genres.
 
2012-12-08 04:42:20 AM

12349876: There could be a fun debate about djent. I'll let others take the first shot.


"Let's turn the distortion all the way up, but then find a way to trick the guitar into sounding clean anyway. For entire albums." -The birth of 'djent'
 
2012-12-08 04:45:32 AM

kingoomieiii: 12349876: There could be a fun debate about djent. I'll let others take the first shot.

"Let's turn the distortion all the way up, but then find a way to trick the guitar into sounding clean anyway. For entire albums." -The birth of 'djent'


You mean like Trent Reznor and his "distortion and feedback as a musical instrument"?
 
2012-12-08 04:45:34 AM

TheJoe03: duffblue: Dubstep has been around for almost a decade now, it was being made when skrillex was still shiatting his britches.

As an American, I didn't hear of it until 2008.


What you know as "Dubstep" is actually "Brostep". White dudes with sideways hats killed actual dubstep and stole its identity.

If there is loud screeching in it, you are listening to brostep.
 
2012-12-08 04:47:35 AM

LonMead: kingoomieiii: 12349876: There could be a fun debate about djent. I'll let others take the first shot.

"Let's turn the distortion all the way up, but then find a way to trick the guitar into sounding clean anyway. For entire albums." -The birth of 'djent'

You mean like Trent Reznor and his "distortion and feedback as a musical instrument"?


Sort of like the opposite of that. Also Wikipedia
 
2012-12-08 04:54:26 AM
How is it "sort of like the opposite of that"?

And yes, I'm familiar with circuit bending. Reznor, in fact, has talked on radio interviews about how he blew out a number of amps and mixer boards experimenting to get his sound.
 
2012-12-08 05:04:17 AM

LonMead: How is it "sort of like the opposite of that"?

And yes, I'm familiar with circuit bending. Reznor, in fact, has talked on radio interviews about how he blew out a number of amps and mixer boards experimenting to get his sound.


I mean that the end result of djent is a more discrete (not discreet) guitar sound, as opposed to something like "extremely loud static being used as percussion".
 
2012-12-08 05:34:59 AM
I always wondered what the sound of Ishkur shouting into the void of space would sound like
 
2012-12-08 05:50:17 AM
I say, is this the Chap Hop thread?

Jolly good.
 
2012-12-08 05:58:36 AM
Wait seapunk the music is a real thing now? Seapunk the fashion started as a joke...so now there really is seapunk music? I really hate myself for typing those words.

God I'm getting old.

But seriously they should really make a new genre, troll music, and that's where seapunk should go.
 
2012-12-08 06:03:20 AM
Pass, I'll stick with Neue Deutsche Härte

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2012-12-08 06:09:27 AM
every time I see the phrase "EDM" as a hip, catchall phrase to describe everything from grime to garage to techno to house to breaks to dubstep, I want to seriously hit whoever is using it. fark me, when I was listening to Kiss 100 back in 1992 when it was illegally broadcasting, we didn't have no EDM. Now everyone who stands behinds some decks with their headphones tilted at a jaunty angle is EDM. It's farking stupid.

/yeah, I'll get off my own damn lawn
 
2012-12-08 06:31:14 AM

mome23: Genres are stupid, arbitrary, and created in hindsight. I used to work at a paleolithic retail workspace called a record store. It was my belief then as it is now that the only division of recordings should be between classical and everything else. And that division is only because the classical world is usually organized by composer rather than performer.


Good times, then real music was made
 
2012-12-08 06:33:08 AM
oi47.tinypic.com

^ rocklodytes
 
2012-12-08 06:52:23 AM

sloughtown4ever: every time I see the phrase "EDM" as a hip, catchall phrase to describe everything from grime to garage to techno to house to breaks to dubstep, I want to seriously hit whoever is using it. fark me, when I was listening to Kiss 100 back in 1992 when it was illegally broadcasting, we didn't have no EDM. Now everyone who stands behinds some decks with their headphones tilted at a jaunty angle is EDM


EDM was originally coined on the TranceAddict forums and it came into common usage during the tail end of trance's explosive period (around '01-'02). It was used as a catch-all to describe music that "trance" DJs played that couldn't realistically be called trance anymore and generally referred to progressive (especially Mcprog), vocal trance aka eurodance, house, tech house, and anything else in vogue at the time or that came later (ie: electroclash, electro house and swedish house). It was rarely used to refer to jungle/dnb, breaks, garage (either 2-step or dubstep), or anything else that wasn't 4-to-the-floor.

Really, it was just a pet term used by TAs and it's amusing to see it now be the NEW mainstream word for all electronic music, the third era of such, to go along with the "techno" era (88-96) and the "electronica" era (97-05). That is how the music press will probably write about it.

Those divisions nor those descriptors don't actually exist in the scene, however.
 
2012-12-08 07:01:55 AM
assets.rollingstone.com

It's all just disco, and disco still does suck.
 
2012-12-08 07:10:15 AM
They just invent new names to intimidate those of us who are older and liked some form of electronic music a decade or 2 ago. But when you listen to it, it seems a lot like the older version with a few extras.
 
2012-12-08 07:19:25 AM
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$2.95 -
Contra Costa - Sep 11, 1997
... performer for jumping on the current electronic dance music bandwagon (" Earthling," his latest record, relies heavily on driving jungle beats). ...


Never forget

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The Vindicator - Sep 28, 1998
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2012-12-08 07:21:52 AM

Mr. Underhills Lunch Bill: CHAP HOP FOR THE WIN

MR. B


Now see here, I think you need a sit down and strong cup of tea. While enthusiasm is all well and good please never forget what Chap Hop stands for before you click on the submit button. Capital letters should only be used at the beginning of sentences and for names, not to make a point online like some colonial from the southern reaches.

Now Mr B is indeed the best Chap Hop star and Professor Elemental is merely raps Nick Clegg.
 
2012-12-08 07:28:57 AM

Ishkur: sloughtown4ever: every time I see the phrase "EDM" as a hip, catchall phrase to describe everything from grime to garage to techno to house to breaks to dubstep, I want to seriously hit whoever is using it. fark me, when I was listening to Kiss 100 back in 1992 when it was illegally broadcasting, we didn't have no EDM. Now everyone who stands behinds some decks with their headphones tilted at a jaunty angle is EDM

EDM was originally coined on the TranceAddict forums and it came into common usage during the tail end of trance's explosive period (around '01-'02). It was used as a catch-all to describe music that "trance" DJs played that couldn't realistically be called trance anymore and generally referred to progressive (especially Mcprog), vocal trance aka eurodance, house, tech house, and anything else in vogue at the time or that came later (ie: electroclash, electro house and swedish house). It was rarely used to refer to jungle/dnb, breaks, garage (either 2-step or dubstep), or anything else that wasn't 4-to-the-floor.

Really, it was just a pet term used by TAs and it's amusing to see it now be the NEW mainstream word for all electronic music, the third era of such, to go along with the "techno" era (88-96) and the "electronica" era (97-05). That is how the music press will probably write about it.

Those divisions nor those descriptors don't actually exist in the scene, however.


yeah, I kind of hate seeing Skrillex (urgh) and deadmau5 (kinda urgh) both under the umbrella of EDM. One produces the shiattiest, laziest form of dubstep known to man the other is just a plain tit. Gimme some good 4/4 beats or concussive breaks and I'm fine
 
2012-12-08 07:43:42 AM

rev. dave: They just invent new names to intimidate those of us who are older and liked some form of electronic music a decade or 2 ago. But when you listen to it, it seems a lot like the older version with a few extras.


I liked industrial a lot.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=acQTtkVwC2c
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D63gAK1GuN4

Recent music mostly sounds like that pacifying music from Brave New World to me now. I wish there were still industrial bars around town, not places filled with sad middle-aged men with guts and bald spots.
 
2012-12-08 08:01:14 AM

TheJoe03: I guess I'll throw Glitch-hop out there, it's decent. Most of these things are sub-genres though, hip-hop is pretty much the last genre invented, everything else has been a sub genre of something else.


Glitch is about the only electronic I listen to now-a-days. Cex is my personal fav and autechre is good too. Havent kept up on any new groups lol.
 
2012-12-08 08:33:03 AM
I believe there's a marker for pedo rap which has yet to be exploited.

Also, all that new stuff sucks.
/dohws fan
 
2012-12-08 08:36:22 AM

497.5 Feet of Rope: JasonOfOrillia: The art of noise is paranoid.

That's what you think.


The Art of Noise is weird.
 
2012-12-08 09:24:10 AM
I shuddered when I saw the term "Tumblr Wave"


mome23: Genres are stupid, arbitrary, and created in hindsight. I used to work at a paleolithic retail workspace called a record store. It was my belief then as it is now that the only division of recordings should be between classical and everything else. And that division is only because the classical world is usually organized by composer rather than performer.


I would never take any of your recommendations seriously.
 
2012-12-08 09:57:31 AM

REO-Weedwagon: My favorite genre of music is punk, which was invented by Green Day Avril Lavigne.


FTFY
 
2012-12-08 10:07:34 AM
 
2012-12-08 10:55:58 AM

Trollin4Colon: Glitch is about the only electronic I listen to now-a-days. Cex is my personal fav and autechre is good too. Havent kept up on any new groups lol.


My user name was inspired by the glitch music of Pole, Kid606, Funkstorung, and a good portion of Mille Plateaux. I don't find the style that interesting any more though.

Dub techno and Basic Channel inspired techno is what I keep up with nowadays.
 
2012-12-08 11:09:48 AM
media.npr.org
 
2012-12-08 11:36:22 AM
Trap?

I think they meant ClapTrap

i.imgur.com
 
2012-12-08 12:39:18 PM
Music is music. If it sounds good, I'll listen to it. I don't always know what genre or sub-genre it is, but I don't really care.
 
2012-12-08 01:28:10 PM

Glitchwerks: Dub techno and Basic Channel inspired techno is what I keep up with nowadays.


heh. Always had you pegged as a 313 snob.
 
2012-12-08 03:14:49 PM

Cloudchaser Sakonige the Red Wolf: Pass, I'll stick with Neue Deutsche Härte

[upload.wikimedia.org image 800x600]



I'd love to see Rammstein in concert again, but this time I'd like them to be headlining. They have one of, if not THE, finest show in metal. And that picture just further cements my opinion.

/please come to nola, please come to nola, please come to nola...
 
2012-12-08 04:14:15 PM

kingoomieiii: What you know as "Dubstep" is actually "Brostep".


I know what brostep is and I got into dubstep before that became a thing, I was listening to the British stuff like Benga, Caspa, and the guy who influenced brostep, Rusko (others too). Personally I hate brostep just because I hate that mid range, computer rape, Skrillex shiat. Zed's Dead is cool though.
 
2012-12-08 04:15:58 PM

sloughtown4ever: every time I see the phrase "EDM" as a hip, catchall phrase to describe everything from grime to garage to techno to house to breaks to dubstep, I want to seriously hit whoever is using it.


Why? I guess I used to call it all "electronica" but whatever, electronic music needed a simple catch all name.
 
2012-12-08 04:22:15 PM

TheJoe03: sloughtown4ever: every time I see the phrase "EDM" as a hip, catchall phrase to describe everything from grime to garage to techno to house to breaks to dubstep, I want to seriously hit whoever is using it.

Why? I guess I used to call it all "electronica" but whatever, electronic music needed a simple catch all name.


it reeks of lazy journalism. Is Skrillex EDM? No, he's (farking awful) dubstep. Is deadmau5 EDM? No, he makes farking house. Are the Plump DJs EDM? No, they do breaks.
 
2012-12-08 04:47:21 PM

TheJoe03: Why? I guess I used to call it all "electronica" but whatever, electronic music needed a simple catch all name.


Yeah: electronic music.

Is that so hard?
 
2012-12-08 04:48:54 PM

sloughtown4ever: Is Skrillex EDM? No, he's (farking awful) dubstep. Is deadmau5 EDM? No, he makes farking house. Are the Plump DJs EDM? No, they do breaks.


But they all make electronic music and are all part of a larger genre than their subgenre. No one in hip hop thinks gangsta rap has no relation with alternative hip hop and no one in rock acts like punk and prog aren't both forms of rock. So yeah, Skrillex, Deadmau5, and Plump DJs are all part of EDM or electronica, despite what their subgenre is. Ya know, this kind of complaining only happens in electronic music though.
 
2012-12-08 04:51:23 PM

Ishkur: Yeah: electronic music.

Is that so hard?


Is EDM hard to say as well? Plus hip hop is technically electronic music so maybe they needed to be more specific? EDM fans need to stop being so hipster about their music. Any talk of it in the mainstream arouses an anger we haven't seen in a while.
 
2012-12-08 04:55:17 PM

TheJoe03: Is EDM hard to say as well?


Let me put it to you this way: It outs you as poseur.

Either that or a trance cracker.

/same with electronica
//and techno
///corporate marketing buzzwords, not culture
////this attitude predates hipsters
 
2012-12-08 04:57:42 PM

TheJoe03: Ya know, this kind of complaining only happens in electronic music though.


No, it happens in every music scene -- and indeed, in every culture -- when their values are co-opted and corrupted by outsiders.
 
2012-12-08 05:00:23 PM
Good grief..So much of this is just splitting already split hairs that were split from a split hair...
It's not as if any of this is really that different. It's not like Orchestral music compared to
Bluegrass..This is one minutia sub genre of electronic music compared to another with the only
difference being a slightly different content focus..
 
2012-12-08 05:13:30 PM

Ishkur: Let me put it to you this way: It outs you as poseur.


You see, I don't care, I listen to what I listen to and call it what I want. I don't need a genre Nazi telling me what to say, not to mention all the people I know in the scene that call it EDM, but because you don't like it they are all apparently posers. fark that high school mentality, when will EDM go beyond that?
 
2012-12-08 05:15:07 PM

Ishkur: No, it happens in every music scene -- and indeed, in every culture -- when their values are co-opted and corrupted by outsiders.


It was bound to happen, the good music never stops though, why do you care so much what these outsiders think anyway? Music genres shouldn't be treated like a cult.
 
2012-12-08 05:16:17 PM

Ishkur: ////this attitude predates hipsters


And it's still annoying.
 
2012-12-08 05:27:34 PM
Well, that certainly escalated.

TheJoe03: fark that high school mentality, when will EDM go beyond that?


I see that mentality in every type of music like rap, punk, metal, indie, and so on. It's not confined to electronic music.

I also see Ishkur's point that electronic music has been co-opted and corrupted by outsiders.

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have been replaced by

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And, yeah, people who have listened to this music for a while think it's wrong.
 
2012-12-08 05:31:45 PM

Glitchwerks: I see that mentality in every type of music like rap, punk, metal, indie, and so on. It's not confined to electronic music.


All those genres have already gone through that phase.

Glitchwerks: I also see Ishkur's point that electronic music has been co-opted and corrupted by outsiders.


I don't disagree, but why does it matter when so much good electronic music is being made right now? I just always hated the cultish nature of any genre, people that hate when said genre becomes successful. I love hip-hop and we all know the war between the backpackers and pop rappers, but I don't care as long as good hip hop is still being made. plus Deadmau5 isn't that bad.
 
2012-12-08 05:45:58 PM

TheJoe03: All those genres have already gone through that phase.


I see them still going through it daily on forums on what.cd, Discogs, or any other music board out there.

TheJoe03: I don't disagree, but why does it matter when so much good electronic music is being made right now?


I don't think I'm up to explaining it any more, and certainly not arguing about it.

TheJoe03: plus Deadmau5 isn't that bad.


Yeah, actually he is. He tried to rip off Orlando Voorn, he regularly disses his fans, and so on. The only thing I laughed at is when he admitted how little he actually does up on stage. However, all the DJs who really do put effort into what they do were more than a little upset.
 
2012-12-08 05:53:47 PM

Glitchwerks: I don't think I'm up to explaining it any more, and certainly not arguing about it.


I'm not even arguing, I just don't get why people care so much about the mainstream when we have the internet and can listen to whatever we want.

Glitchwerks: I see them still going through it daily on forums on what.cd, Discogs, or any other music board out there.


And I hate that, these people are missing out on so much by just being nostalgic and close minded. Like I feel bad for all the hip hop heads that complained throughout the 00s about hip hop being dead when during that time alternative hip hop and underground were better than they ever were. Basically I'm not arguing with anyone, just saying I don't like genre hipsters or whatever you wish to call them. Way too much effort spent on complaining instead of listening to what's truly going on. plus I only got into this discussion because electronic fans are so stuck in the anger phase of shifting to the mainstream that apparently EDM is not an acceptable term for some reason.

As for Deadmau5, he comes off as a prick, and his disrespect for DJs is beyond my understanding, but the music he put out isn't bad. I guess I don't care enough about the sideshow to hate on the guy that much. There's so many people worse than him musically.
 
2012-12-08 06:21:44 PM

TheJoe03: I'm not even arguing, I just don't get why people care so much about the mainstream when we have the internet and can listen to whatever we want.


I wasn't really trying to suggest you were. I just know where these discussions go, other people may interject and so on. I'm not up for it. Just sayin', not pointing fingers or anything.

TheJoe03: Way too much effort spent on complaining instead of listening to what's truly going on. plus I only got into this discussion because electronic fans are so stuck in the anger phase of shifting to the mainstream that apparently EDM is not an acceptable term for some reason.


I guess it's complicated, and I'm not trying to take a side here or get drawn into a huge discussion.

TheJoe03: the music he put out isn't bad.


That's subjective. I, personally, cannot stand his or most of the music that's in the mainstream right now. Everyone is using the same sawtooth synth sounds to the point it's absolutely annoying. And everything is mastered to be as loud as possible. Please note I'm not saying I hate the mainstream. Just where the production is at.

You flip on some underground shiat and it's a different sound entirely. Deep pads, warm synths, massive bass lines, good atmospheres, great mastering. Most EDM just sounds like white noise to me now.
 
2012-12-08 06:28:14 PM
16 Canada vs. White Noise
 
2012-12-08 06:30:49 PM
Reading stories like this reminds me of a friend of mine who, back in the late 90's, got hired by an internet music distribution start-up (now defunct) to organize their electronic music collection by genre. He was fired after three weeks when he sorted 14,456 songs into 13, 397 genres.
 
2012-12-08 06:32:40 PM

Glitchwerks: I wasn't really trying to suggest you were. I just know where these discussions go, other people may interject and so on. I'm not up for it. Just sayin', not pointing fingers or anything.


Fair enough, that's
 
2012-12-08 06:33:15 PM
...probably a good idea.
 
2012-12-08 06:37:49 PM

TheJoe03: You see, I don't care,


And that precisely is the problem.
 
2012-12-08 06:39:58 PM

TheJoe03: why do you care so much what these outsiders think anyway?


It's not that I care what outsiders think insomuch as I care when they come inside and start messing up the place.

/farking tourist
 
2012-12-08 06:45:06 PM

Ishkur: And that precisely is the problem.


How is that a problem? Why should I bow down to your narrow view of music? You don't say EDM so that means as president of electronic music I should listen to you? Me not caring about your rules and such seems to be your problem , not mine, I'm going to keep enjoying EDM without subscribing to your newsletter.

Ishkur: It's not that I care what outsiders think insomuch as I care when they come inside and start messing up the place.

/farking tourist


That attitude is what I'm talking about, a music genre isn't a cult. Let people enjoy music, you're like a literal buzzkill.
 
2012-12-08 07:03:15 PM

TheJoe03: And it's still annoying.


You know what I really find annoying?

The fact that we have this immense depository of freedom and accessibility at our fingertips and no one farking uses it properly, because the dead truth about individualism is that people don't want it. When you give people unlimited freedom to be themselves, they just end up imitating each other.

People, if you can believe it, don't actually like choice. They want their decisions, their desires, their tastes, their habits, their moods, and everything that makes up the most important aspects of their lives decided for them. They like being told what to do and what to enjoy. It gives them a comfort zone, a purpose and a place in life knowing that someone somewhere is taking care of everything. It removes all the stress and responsibility from going out there and really enjoying something without fear of provocation or social ostracization. Go with the winner, join the herd, like what everyone else likes, fall in -- life becomes so much easier that way. You can practically put it on auto-pilot, replace your thoughts and ideas with the seething mass of market uniformity. Live a second-hand life, bereft of compulsion, ambition or conflict

Thinking for yourself is hard work, and people don't like doing things that are hard.

In the old days, a person had limited contact and understanding of what the general mindset of a subculture considered good. He had to go out and listen to the music himself, on his own terms, almost in a vacuum, with limited amounts of external persuasion. He had to uncover the nooks and crannies of underculture. He experimented, he taste-tested, he spent a lot of time in record shops, at after-parties talking to people, hanging out with DJs in dank basements with old analog gear getting drunk/stoned and making stupid geek music. In short, simply absorbing the culture and participating in it, understanding it and growing with it. He did a lot of things hardly anyone today does.

Today, a person is spoonfed his culture through hype, money and marketing. He is constantly told what is good, what is big, what is popular, what is expensive, and he accepts it as readily as any of us accept an "amazing new study or find" in the latest paper by whatever science thinktank. Because we rely on those people to tell us how the world works; they are the "experts". And who are we to disagree with people more knowledgeable than us in the field?

But in those old days, the "experts" were your friends and the living experiences you acquired while partaking in the culture. Today, the "experts" are press releases from Vandit or Black Hole Recordings or, god fearing, pretentious nonsense from RichDork Media. The difference is one is honest and self-reinforcing, the other is parasitical and encroaching.

Sure, there are more avenues of communication today, but why praise all this new signal when its stuffed with so much noise? At least the old ways had a bottleneck and a filter. Those who were eager and enthusiastic enough to want to participate in the culture eventually found it and enjoyed themselves. Those who were too lazy and wanted everything spoonfed to them eventually gave up because it was too hard. And things should have stayed that way.

Today it's not hard anymore. But the problem is not the accessibility, the problem is the popularity. As with most things, the more people involved in something, the slower and stupider that thing tends to be. At its outset every genre is earnest -- raw, arresting, experimentative, with limitless power and persuasion in it. It has feeling, humanity, and emotion, undeterred by bullshiat, uncorrupted by frivolous gimmicks, and unswayed by money and pop uniformity.

But as soon as it reaches a critical mass wave of popularity, a second generation of commentators and producers take over eager to capitalize it, and they water it down into a fake, feather-lite, shiny, plastic shell of its once proud sense of self-worth. Bright and crisp, like a predictable Hollywood blockbuster, armed with relentless PR and marketing of big DJs, big stadiums, big sing-a-long anthems. Cheap, canned, candy-coated happy clown music. Not even the genre in its essence -- a total bastardization and betrayal.

True culture comes from the bottom up. Grassroot level. It bubbles, it cultivates, and it broods among like-mindeds for social sustenance. It is to be cherished, valued, and preserved. Things like "electronica" did not come from the bottom up. They came from the top down. From corporate oligarchies. From boardroom execs, from suits, from marketers and psychologists and cultural engineers who needed a "label" attached to a "fad" so the very values of your culture can be ripped from you, slapped with a pricetag and sold back to you by those who never cared much about it in the first place and to whom it was never their right to do so. The transference of social wealth from culture to commodity.



Of course, you are free to not care about any of this. Just that you recognize why it is that you do not care: Because you prefer to swallow culture, not create it. To be a spectator of your own life, not a participant. To embrace a culture of passivity, of under-achievement, of purchasing the hollow shell of the ideal lifestyle (As Seen on TV), not working towards achieving it. Where every flavour of creativity, ambition, originality and diversity is mashed into the omnipresent control of market uniformity.

By all means, proceed.
 
2012-12-08 07:04:07 PM

TheJoe03: How is that a problem?


Read above.
 
2012-12-08 07:06:07 PM

TheJoe03: why does it matter when so much good electronic music is being made right now?


A lot of good electronic music IS being made right now. But when I go to a festival, club or rave, I never hear any of that good music.

And that is a serious problem.
 
2012-12-08 07:09:12 PM

TheJoe03: Let people enjoy music


I have no problem with letting people enjoy any music they like..... until it interferes with the music I like.
 
2012-12-08 07:13:22 PM

Ishkur: Of course, you are free to not care about any of this. Just that you recognize why it is that you do not care: Because you prefer to swallow culture, not create it.


Sad that you assume that's what I'm like, cause I agree with your long post.
 
2012-12-08 07:14:48 PM

Ishkur: A lot of good electronic music IS being made right now. But when I go to a festival, club or rave, I never hear any of that good music.

And that is a serious problem.


There ya go, if you actually address my points I get a better understanding of what you're talking about, that makes sense and I agree that it's a problem if that's what you're dealing with.
 
2012-12-08 07:56:04 PM

TheJoe03: Sad that you assume that's what I'm like, cause I agree with your long post.


Then stop saying you don't care. And stop complaining about people who actually have the gall to stand up for certain ideals.
 
2012-12-08 09:34:54 PM

Ishkur: Then stop saying you don't care.


I'm saying I don't care that you think EDM is an unacceptable term, because it is an acceptable term IMO. Your long post that I agreed with had nothing to do with that original argument we had concerning the term EDM.
 
2012-12-08 11:03:23 PM
Ishkur:
Of course, you are free to not care about any of this. Just that you recognize why it is that you do not care: Because you prefer to swallow culture, not create it. To be a spectator of your own life, not a participant. To embrace a culture of passivity, of under-achievement, of purchasing the hollow shell of the ideal lifestyle (As Seen on TV), not working towards achieving it. Where every flavour of creativity, ambition, originality and diversity is mashed into the omnipresent control of market uniformity.


Oh my aching head. Just because someone doesn't care about all of shiatty little categories of music does mean any of that horseshiat psychobabble you posted. And it certainly doesn't warrant you being a major dickhead toward the guy.
 
2012-12-08 11:27:08 PM
"Music evolution change
Sometimes the common makes it sound strange
Add a little this, take out a little that
Then you'll come up with jazz called rap
Where it's at, bring it back
Because it is an ill format

Once upon a time not long ago
When all the cats went to hear Satchmo blow
Groovin' at a tempo fast or slow
Jazz was at a new plateau ready to grow
Also developing ways to make dough
Although we always heard no when at a show
The Klan couldn't keep the man from makin' mo'
Better blues, kinda confused here's the news
These grooves is better than your blue suede shoes
Some G's are fake and some will make moves
I prove jazz gone up another level
Real without making a deal with the devil
And so, I'm about to let the world know
That bebop and skattin' was an old school flow
Callaway was a dope MC, you didn't know?
Now that the years gone by some will try
Try to make that hip hop and jazz thing die
When it was skat before it was rap, Yo it was fly
Now it brings tears to the eye, oh my
I didn't hear that back in the days
I wonder why..."
 
2012-12-09 12:38:08 AM

TheJoe03: I'm saying I don't care that you think EDM is an unacceptable term, because it is an acceptable term IMO. Your long post that I agreed with had nothing to do with that original argument we had concerning the term EDM.


It has everything to do with it.

/if you let THEM define YOUR music for you, you have lost
 
2012-12-09 01:35:50 AM

mooseyfate: *turns up Tool, ignores world*


Listening to the new Isis as I read this thread and that gave me a chuckle.
 
2012-12-09 02:26:05 AM

mooseyfate: Cloudchaser Sakonige the Red Wolf: Pass, I'll stick with Neue Deutsche Härte

[upload.wikimedia.org image 800x600]


I'd love to see Rammstein in concert again, but this time I'd like them to be headlining. They have one of, if not THE, finest show in metal. And that picture just further cements my opinion.

/please come to nola, please come to nola, please come to nola...


I saw then headlining in Atlanta this past May and yeah, their show is awesome!
 
2012-12-09 08:28:30 AM

Ishkur: /if you let THEM define YOUR music for you, you have lost


I don't, which is why I refuse to let you do the same, you dig?
 
2012-12-09 09:22:02 AM
There's just King Crimson and then there's everything else, man.
 
2012-12-09 10:15:59 AM
You either like Tool or you don't. Don't expect a kidney from me if you don't start making air hammer noises with your mouth and screaming LIFE FEEDS ON LIFE whenver you see a PETA sticker.
 
2012-12-09 11:33:12 AM
I only like them with Hawkman
 
2012-12-09 02:15:49 PM

TheJoe03: I don't, which is why I refuse to let you do the same, you dig?


Yes, well, I hope to clarify the reasons behind that shortly.
 
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