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(My Fox Detroit)   Thirteen autoworkers Chrysler tried to fire for drinking and toking on lunchbreak have their jobs back courtesy of the UAW   (myfoxdetroit.com) divider line 119
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2012-12-07 09:40:24 PM  
Why? What reasonable defense can there be to drinking or smoking pot before operating machinery?

Unions are the scourge of this nation.
 
2012-12-07 09:52:13 PM  

feckingmorons:

Unions are the scourge of this nation.



It's sad that you believe this.
 
2012-12-07 10:10:04 PM  

kmmontandon: feckingmorons:

Unions are the scourge of this nation.


It's sad that you believe this.


We will never really be free until we reimport our clothing factories from Bangladesh so that the Triangle Shirtwaist Fire can happen here again.
 
2012-12-07 10:32:50 PM  

feckingmorons: Why? What reasonable defense can there be to drinking or smoking pot before operating machinery?

Unions are the scourge of this nation.


Thank you mi'lord for posting in this thread. Please tell us more about how unions are bad and how employees having collective bargainining is worse than the company management having collective bargaining.

Then tell us how many companies have gone bankrupt for paying the janitors to much.
 
2012-12-07 10:33:28 PM  

feckingmorons: Why? What reasonable defense can there be to drinking or smoking pot before operating machinery?

Unions are the scourge of this nation.


Do you know what an arbitrator is?

You obviously have all the facts in this case and your opinion is indisputable.
 
2012-12-07 10:45:42 PM  
Suck it, non-union workers!

Somebody pass me another cold one.
 
2012-12-07 11:11:24 PM  

Brontes: Thank you mi'lord for posting in this thread. Please tell us more about how unions are bad and how employees having collective bargainining is worse than the company management having collective bargaining.

Then tell us how many companies have gone bankrupt for paying the janitors to much.



It's simple...Because when corporations band together and withhold production to manipulate markets, raise prices, for profits to the corporation despite any 'evil' things they do (like substandard or dangerous products)...

That's a good thing..because the stockholders don't care what widget they product--only the money.

When workers band together and withhold their services---that's evil.
 
2012-12-07 11:16:40 PM  
I was in the Teamsters for 8 years or so. People who should have been fired time and time again for various reasons never got the axe. Sucked.
 
2012-12-07 11:17:18 PM  
I hope you f*ckers drive a Chrysler built by impaired workers. The last one I owned must have been. It tried to kill me several times before I made them take it back.
 
2012-12-07 11:20:24 PM  
My first experience with unions was at 16 as a bagger. i was like, what the F do these union guys get a hunk of my paycheck for? Then, at 22, as an engineer for a semiconductor company, my thought was, "Why aren't there people making sure I don't work 60 hours a week while being paid for 40? They pay the techs overtime, why not the engineers?

Quickly left semi-conductor land after that realization hit home.
 
2012-12-07 11:22:05 PM  

Errk: I was in the Teamsters for 8 years or so. People who should have been fired time and time again for various reasons never got the axe. Sucked.


Kind of like the management at some companies? My engineering non-union job had the same dumbasses employed, except the teamsters would go to bat for you, my dumbasses wouldn't go to bat for me.
 
2012-12-08 12:22:57 AM  

feckingmorons: Unions are the scourge of this nation.


Because the FREE MARKET does such an amazing job finding the right price to compensate and provide for worker safety.

The sad part is... you believe that bullsh*t.

Do unions invariably push too far once they have established fair wages and other benefits? Of course they do. Are they the scourge of this nation, as you believe? Holy f*cking sh*t... You really think regression is impossible? Beneficent Job Creators won't seek ways to roll back wages and benefits because of fear of losing workers to a competitor who won't do so? Jesus... Open your eyes. It's been happening for 30 years!
 
2012-12-08 12:23:11 AM  
If a union shop can't fire people that should be fired it usually boils down to one of two reasons: the company has agreed to allow the union too many powers relating to employee disciplinary actions - likely because as far as concessions to, it doesn't have a direct dollar value associated with it, or the HR people who actually fired the losers in question failed to do their job properly and as a result, something about the process was flawed and doesn't stand up to the grievance arbitration.

tl:dr version: the company agrees to the CBA just like the union does. If they want the ability to fire idiots easily, they need to think about that when negotiating the contract.
 
2012-12-08 12:26:07 AM  
Look on the bright side. Chrysler will probably be the company producing Terminator robots. 

I'll be back. Maybe.
 
2012-12-08 12:45:42 AM  

Brontes: My first experience with unions was at 16 as a bagger.


Ditto. I only worked like 10-15 hours each week so was not eligible for any benefits, yet my first 3 paychecks went to pay my union initiation fees... and weekly dues thereafter. I got really soured on unions because of that, and the fact that many people there took advantage of the system as much as they could. I think there was a time and place for unions- and that time has long gone.
 
2012-12-08 01:17:57 AM  

kev_dog: Brontes: My first experience with unions was at 16 as a bagger.

Ditto. I only worked like 10-15 hours each week so was not eligible for any benefits, yet my first 3 paychecks went to pay my union initiation fees... and weekly dues thereafter. I got really soured on unions because of that, and the fact that many people there took advantage of the system as much as they could. I think there was a time and place for unions- and that time has long gone.


i575.photobucket.com

Selective reading there.
 
2012-12-08 01:32:12 AM  
But greenlighting the Sebring after nine martinis and an ounce of Peruvian cocaine snorted from betwixt an underage prostitute's asscheeks = "Job Creator BusinessHero"
 
2012-12-08 02:05:33 AM  

Errk: I was in the Teamsters for 8 years or so. People who should have been fired time and time again for various reasons never got the axe. Sucked.


I'm currently a member of the ILWU, and I agree, it does suck when some employee who deserves to get fired skates out of it time and again. I know one guy in particular in my department that I dubbed "Bulletproof", because he quite simply is "The Man Who Cannot Be Fired".

But it isn't because the Union is somehow shielding him from being let go. Time and again, this particular guy has been on a previous Level 4 and facing yet another corrective action (which would push that 4 to a 5, which is Termination), and every single time Management has screwed up somewhere, so they end up just extending the current Level 4 again. Sometimes it is a paperwork error, other times it is management not getting their facts in order prior to Discovery, but in the end it works out the same way: HR won't allow this guy to be fired, because of a Management screw-up.

Trust me, there are lots of guys quite high up in the Local who would love to see Bulletproof and others gone, but we aren't going to do Management's job for them. And it is indeed frustrating. Lots of others in our department see this stuff going on and assume the Union is shielding these bad apples, but that is anything but the truth.
 
2012-12-08 02:51:29 AM  
I remember this story.

feckingmorons: Why? What reasonable defense can there be to drinking or smoking pot before operating machinery?

Unions are the scourge of this nation.


I agree with your post, but I'm kinda iffy on the second part about the unions. I don't think unions are the scourge of this nation, but the UAW is the one of the main scourges of the American auto industry.
 
2012-12-08 03:13:35 AM  

feckingmorons: Unions are the scourge of this nation.


Sure...

It's got the be the unions' fault. Surely it can't be the fact that executives use companies like Hostess as an ATM to give themselves fat bonus check after fat bonus check until they break the bank. That can't possibly be a problem. Obviously it's the people who want health insurance and protection from tyrannical CEOs who even test for nicotine these days.
 
2012-12-08 03:20:49 AM  

costermonger: If a union shop can't fire people that should be fired it usually boils down to one of two reasons: the company has agreed to allow the union too many powers relating to employee disciplinary actions - likely because as far as concessions to, it doesn't have a direct dollar value associated with it, or the HR people who actually fired the losers in question failed to do their job properly and as a result, something about the process was flawed and doesn't stand up to the grievance arbitration.

tl:dr version: the company agrees to the CBA just like the union does. If they want the ability to fire idiots easily, they need to think about that when negotiating the contract.


According to the article, the reason for the firing was their off duty behavior.

In other words, they were fired for what they did off work. Kind of like if the police came to your home and arrested you for child endangerment because you didn't have child proof locks on your bleach, only you weren't a parent and there were no children in your apartment ever. Or if the TSA declared you a terrorist because you purchased a box cutter, even though you did not bring this box cutter to the airport.

In other words the company tried to fire people for bad reasons after a hit piece aired on the local news. Arbitration overturned their horrible decision. Now, all is right in the land.
 
2012-12-08 06:09:51 AM  

MmmmBacon: Errk: I was in the Teamsters for 8 years or so. People who should have been fired time and time again for various reasons never got the axe. Sucked.

I'm currently a member of the ILWU, and I agree, it does suck when some employee who deserves to get fired skates out of it time and again. I know one guy in particular in my department that I dubbed "Bulletproof", because he quite simply is "The Man Who Cannot Be Fired".

But it isn't because the Union is somehow shielding him from being let go. Time and again, this particular guy has been on a previous Level 4 and facing yet another corrective action (which would push that 4 to a 5, which is Termination), and every single time Management has screwed up somewhere, so they end up just extending the current Level 4 again. Sometimes it is a paperwork error, other times it is management not getting their facts in order prior to Discovery, but in the end it works out the same way: HR won't allow this guy to be fired, because of a Management screw-up.

Trust me, there are lots of guys quite high up in the Local who would love to see Bulletproof and others gone, but we aren't going to do Management's job for them. And it is indeed frustrating. Lots of others in our department see this stuff going on and assume the Union is shielding these bad apples, but that is anything but the truth.


This.
 
2012-12-08 06:35:29 AM  
"a number of employees from the Jefferson North assembly plant who were discharged from the company in September 2010 after appearing in a local TV station's story about their off-duty conduct."

So were they drinking on the job or slamming down a couple in the lot after their shift?

And were they caught because there was some workplace disruption/safety hazard or because some reporter was stalking through the weeds w/ a camera looking for their meal ticket?

It doesn't look good and none of it belongs on any companies property if you work there (unless part of your job is to drink beer, if it is let me send you my resume) but for the public to be demanding firings? Arrogent, asinine, and presumptive.

The horror that these men got to get their jobs back and make a living isn't about them or the beer at all. It's about getting your panties in a bunch because you secretly sit around and wait for reasons to scream about unions.

The whole outrage over this shiat is just political. Every person screaming "THEY NEED TO BE FIRED" might as well be screaming something about 0bamafarts Mao Stalin Usurpers, or how they want their country back.

/never liked ANY company that went around firing people for their first farkup
//more of a 3 strikes or 2 for the same thing type of person
 
2012-12-08 06:45:42 AM  

Brontes: My first experience with unions was at 16 as a bagger. i was like, what the F do these union guys get a hunk of my paycheck for? Then, at 22, as an engineer for a semiconductor company, my thought was, "Why aren't there people making sure I don't work 60 hours a week while being paid for 40? They pay the techs overtime, why not the engineers?

Quickly left semi-conductor land after that realization hit home.


I guess "looking at the job description" of an engineer was too difficult for you? You almost might want to look up the words "exempt" and "non-exempt."

I get paid 2x what the technicians make straight time, and if I work more than 40 hours a week, I'll use comp time. Works for me.
 
2012-12-08 07:29:47 AM  
Clearly, this is what early labor advocates fought, and in some cases, died for.

/the blame less with management, too, before I'm accused of being a republican, they need to stand up to the union and stop agreeing to give unions this kind of power
 
2012-12-08 07:42:16 AM  
Are autoworkers pantywaists that get hammered off of one beer?
 
2012-12-08 07:53:45 AM  
Corruption touches all human systems to some degree. But, like democracy, collective bargaining is important enough to retain despite said corruption.
 
2012-12-08 08:23:14 AM  
/Union guy

I have been involved in cases similar to this from the union side. My responsibility was to make sure that management followed their own rules/contract and the law. For instance if the contract/company policy spells out a table of offenses and penalties then they need to follow it. It appears that Chrysler reacted to a bad PR by going against their own rules and had to fix it.

I'd guess that maybe the UAW contract says that for a first offense with substance abuse the offenders will get a warning/suspension and mandatory counseling.
 
2012-12-08 08:26:12 AM  
They were drinking/smoking on a lunch break. Can you show up for work drunk and stoned? Send them home once. Watch them. If they do it again remove a kidney from each. If they do it again "Have I seen who? No! In fact they have not shown up for work all week! Why?". Yeeeeeeeeeeeeah!
 
2012-12-08 08:34:07 AM  
Used to live in Chicago. Went on vacation last year to south east Michigan (Ann Arbor) and long story short ended up in rehab for alcohol cause a friend went to avoid jail due to him violating probation. Damn if all the men over thirty in the alcoholic anonymous meeting are members of the UAW. They are allowed to drink and drug without consequence because of the union. I hate them all. I don't wonder why the domestic auto companies made such crappy cars during the nineties.
 
2012-12-08 08:43:49 AM  

kev_dog: Brontes: My first experience with unions was at 16 as a bagger.

Ditto. I only worked like 10-15 hours each week so was not eligible for any benefits, yet my first 3 paychecks went to pay my union initiation fees... and weekly dues thereafter. I got really soured on unions because of that, and the fact that many people there took advantage of the system as much as they could. I think there was a time and place for unions- and that time has long gone.


This.

Back in the day before there were any laws or government agencies regulating safety and welfare of workers, I can see why unions were needed, but today that's simply not the case.

I remember back in the 80s the town I grew up in had a GM plant that made radiators for GM cars, these people lived so high on the hog compared to everyone else in the town it wasn't funny. I was in a bar talking with one of these guys who was some kind of union delegate and he was telling me how they had so many benefits that they were hard pressed to think of what to ask for at their next contract negotiation. They already had every benefit you could possibly ask for so they were coming up with stupid crap like health care for their pets and shiat, it was ridiculous.

Needless to say that plant closed down not long after that.
 
2012-12-08 08:47:56 AM  
Why that's 11 more than Fox 2 Detroit but 16 fewer than Fox 29 Phllly. 

Strange how Fox stations have numbers after them, but this is the explanation they don't want you to know.
 
2012-12-08 08:53:30 AM  

MurphyMurphy: "a number of employees from the Jefferson North assembly plant who were discharged from the company in September 2010 after appearing in a local TV station's story about their off-duty conduct."

So were they drinking on the job or slamming down a couple in the lot after their shift?

And were they caught because there was some workplace disruption/safety hazard or because some reporter was stalking through the weeds w/ a camera looking for their meal ticket?

It doesn't look good and none of it belongs on any companies property if you work there (unless part of your job is to drink beer, if it is let me send you my resume) but for the public to be demanding firings? Arrogent, asinine, and presumptive.

The horror that these men got to get their jobs back and make a living isn't about them or the beer at all. It's about getting your panties in a bunch because you secretly sit around and wait for reasons to scream about unions.

The whole outrage over this shiat is just political. Every person screaming "THEY NEED TO BE FIRED" might as well be screaming something about 0bamafarts Mao Stalin Usurpers, or how they want their country back.

/never liked ANY company that went around firing people for their first farkup
//more of a 3 strikes or 2 for the same thing type of person


There is a huge difference between slamming a few after work and slamming a few at lunch. This was at lunch. These guys have to have some responsibility to be able to continue to operate their machinery after lunch. After work knock yourself out, but if you need to be a big boy in the morning, you better be one at night.
 
2012-12-08 08:54:14 AM  
MurphyMurphy:
And were they caught because there was some workplace disruption/safety hazard or because some reporter was stalking through the weeds w/ a camera looking for their meal ticket?

The horror that these men got to get their jobs back and make a living isn't about them or the beer at all. It's about getting your panties in a bunch because you secretly sit around and wait for reasons to scream about unions.


No, it's that they've been doing it enough that someone outside of the company noticed them getting drunk and stoned during their lunch breaks and called a reporter, who dropped by and saw them. No, the reporter wasn't "stalking through the weeds with a camera," they just showed up and saw these idiots getting drunk and stoned before going back to work on cars.

You see, "off duty" implies that it will have no effect on their job performance - which is a crock.

It's hilarious that you think people "secretly sit around and wait for reasons to scream about unions" when the real story is "union people do something really stupid - and illegal - in public, get caught, and get away with it."
 
2012-12-08 08:54:56 AM  
Union member and proud, but I too have to say, we don't do our members any favors if we don't actively police our own bad apples.
 
2012-12-08 09:01:22 AM  
Love the comments on that site. "Maybe it was just Root Beer and homemade tobacco cigarettes! There's no proof of wrongdoing!"

"These guys deserve their jobs b/c of what unions did decades ago!"
 
2012-12-08 09:02:00 AM  

ReapTheChaos: This.

Back in the day before there were any laws or government agencies regulating safety and welfare of workers, I can see why unions were needed, but today that's simply not the case.


It is this kind of thinking that really annoys me. We as a nation are getting paid less money to work more hours than we were 5 years ago let alone 25. The average work week in america is well over 40 hours. People are expected to work that without overtime. America gets fewer paid holidays than any other industrialized nation, America gets less maternity leave than any other nation. Companies are not hiring because they are forcing their employees to work more fore less pay. If someone complains they know they cannot get another job because companies are not hiring. Of course they aren't hiring because they don't need to. The pay disparity between workers and CEOs is 343 including bonuses and compensation. Peoples benefits are being cut. Healthcare costs are rising. Standard of life for American workers is slipping.

In what world are unions no longer needed?
 
2012-12-08 09:05:12 AM  

morlinge: ReapTheChaos: This.

Back in the day before there were any laws or government agencies regulating safety and welfare of workers, I can see why unions were needed, but today that's simply not the case.

It is this kind of thinking that really annoys me. We as a nation are getting paid less money to work more hours than we were 5 years ago let alone 25. The average work week in america is well over 40 hours. People are expected to work that without overtime. America gets fewer paid holidays than any other industrialized nation, America gets less maternity leave than any other nation. Companies are not hiring because they are forcing their employees to work more fore less pay. If someone complains they know they cannot get another job because companies are not hiring. Of course they aren't hiring because they don't need to. The pay disparity between workers and CEOs is 343 including bonuses and compensation. Peoples benefits are being cut. Healthcare costs are rising. Standard of life for American workers is slipping.

In what world are unions no longer needed?


So what I hear you saying is that all these bad things are happening in spite of the unions. Why are they not there to protect us all?

BTW: You have to be real lame not to be able to find a job. I moved across the country without one and was able to secure full time employment within 7 days, charging the same hourly rate.
 
2012-12-08 09:11:27 AM  

The_Six_Fingered_Man:
BTW: You have to be real lame not to be able to find a job. I moved across the country without one and was able to secure full time employment within 7 days, charging the same hourly rate.


Well I have a job, so I guess I'm not lame in your world... Anyway let's get back to your foolishness. How many right to work states are there? How many nonunion jobs are there? How many companies that don't allow unions? How many years has the Republican party been convincing the people of america that unions are the problem and not the solution. You've got to remember that Unions today are not half as strong as they were 20 years ago. So of course they haven't been able to help.

My point is not that a weakened union is barely better than no union, my point is that a strong union is better than no union.

I'll ignore the idiocy about how awesome you are because you can find a job.
 
2012-12-08 09:17:12 AM  

morlinge: The_Six_Fingered_Man:
BTW: You have to be real lame not to be able to find a job. I moved across the country without one and was able to secure full time employment within 7 days, charging the same hourly rate.

Well I have a job, so I guess I'm not lame in your world... Anyway let's get back to your foolishness. How many right to work states are there? How many nonunion jobs are there? How many companies that don't allow unions? How many years has the Republican party been convincing the people of america that unions are the problem and not the solution. You've got to remember that Unions today are not half as strong as they were 20 years ago. So of course they haven't been able to help.

My point is not that a weakened union is barely better than no union, my point is that a strong union is better than no union.

I'll ignore the idiocy about how awesome you are because you can find a job.


So tell me exactly what use the union has in a weakened state? How are they attempting to strengthen themselves in order to push back against this horrible corporate oppression? You say that Unions are required in order to fight all these injustices, but then go on to say that they can't do anything about them. So why are they needed again?

As for "companies aren't hiring," that's a crock of shiat and you know it. The jobless rate is at it's lowest of the past four years. Companies are hiring and if you can't find a job, then that's on you. (not you specifically)
 
2012-12-08 09:21:45 AM  

The_Six_Fingered_Man: Love the comments on that site. "Maybe it was just Root Beer and homemade tobacco cigarettes! There's no proof of wrongdoing!"

"These guys deserve their jobs b/c of what unions did decades ago!"


Oh, it looks like beer to me.

But I wouldn't lay wagers on the toking, could just be homerolled cigarettes. More to the point, I have trouble believing they would get back on the job and the foreman or line manager didn't notice the smell. Then again, maybe the middle management didn't care. TFA doesn't specify weed, either in the new article or the two year old one.
 
2012-12-08 09:25:12 AM  

starsrift: The_Six_Fingered_Man: Love the comments on that site. "Maybe it was just Root Beer and homemade tobacco cigarettes! There's no proof of wrongdoing!"

"These guys deserve their jobs b/c of what unions did decades ago!"

Oh, it looks like beer to me.

But I wouldn't lay wagers on the toking, could just be homerolled cigarettes. More to the point, I have trouble believing they would get back on the job and the foreman or line manager didn't notice the smell. Then again, maybe the middle management didn't care. TFA doesn't specify weed, either in the new article or the two year old one.


Every other article I have read mentions being fired for "drinking at lunch and smoking marijuana" including this one from USAToday: http://content.usatoday.com/communities/driveon/post/2010/09/chrysler- fires-uaw-workers-caught-drinking-smoking-pot-/1#.UMNNQKyUW1o

The suspension was announced by Chrysler and included the reason of smoking marijuana.
 
2012-12-08 09:28:34 AM  
 
2012-12-08 09:30:07 AM  
starsrift: htmlpwned. Damn you, close tag, damn you.
 
2012-12-08 09:31:01 AM  
Corporate profits are set yet another record while executive pay continues to skyrocket. From yesterday. "But the record profits come at the same time that workers' wages have fallen to their lowest-ever share of GDP."

http://money.cnn.com/2012/12/03/news/economy/record-corporate-profits / index.html

In the early 70's when union membership was strong CEO's made 11X the average wage of their workers, now it's in the hundreds of times (says 343 above). The middle classes share of the pie keeps shrinking and shrinking. 

scottwalkerwatch.com
 
2012-12-08 09:32:57 AM  

The_Six_Fingered_Man: As for "companies aren't hiring," that's a crock of shiat and you know it. The jobless rate is at it's lowest of the past four years. Companies are hiring and if you can't find a job, then that's on you. (not you specifically)


Okay I wanted to ignore this stupidity, but as you keep bringing out I guess I'm left with no choice, because I have so many responses to your comment I'll answer several times. I'll order them in least to more polite.

morlinge You haven't had problems finding a job? Glad to see that village idiot job market hasn't dried up... (started with crack whore, but thought we didn't need to be that rude.)

morlinge Typical stupid Conservative thinking. I've got mine. Plus we have our own anecdote to prove us right. We can ignore other anecdotes plus we can ignore facts. I know it must be easy to get a job because I have one. Now I might read that despite the fact that the unemployment rate is down, that the average pay is down too. Which means people are being forced to take jobs for less money than they were. This might include jobs that don't pay the cost of living for that person. But screw facts I have an anecdote.

morlinge Well I understand that it is getting easier but it is still not easy to find a job. Plus a job that pays close to what they were getting paid before just isn't happening. And in all honesty the companies are still making a lot of money, more money than they were when they were paying people the previous salary, so in fairness I would have thought that they should still pay the same wages. I mean the CEO and upper management wages have gone up during the time. So ours should stay the same. Still decent post.

morlinge Dear Sir or maddam. Thank you for your post. congrats on the job that you were able to find. What a great person you must be. I'm sure you are the pride of you parents/parent/guardian/town/city/etc. However there are some people not as great as you. So they are having some problems. So your ability to get a job while a clear indicator of you genius is not a valid representation of middle america. Thanks for the great post. Yours in kindness. morlinge
 
2012-12-08 09:33:53 AM  
My daughter is a Teamster. I hear stories on a regular basis of undeserving people keeping their jobs.
 
2012-12-08 09:35:33 AM  

The_Six_Fingered_Man: So tell me exactly what use the union has in a weakened state? How are they attempting to strengthen themselves in order to push back against this horrible corporate oppression? You say that Unions are required in order to fight all these injustices, but then go on to say that they can't do anything about them. So why are they needed again?


This is the same genius thinking that says. Well I have a massive cut on my leg. A very small band aid doesn't seem to have fixed anything. Now my friend is telling me that maybe a bigger band aid, or medical support might help. Personally I think I've tried medical support and it doesn't seem to work. I'm just going to let it be,
 
2012-12-08 09:37:02 AM  

morlinge: The_Six_Fingered_Man: As for "companies aren't hiring," that's a crock of shiat and you know it. The jobless rate is at it's lowest of the past four years. Companies are hiring and if you can't find a job, then that's on you. (not you specifically)

Okay I wanted to ignore this stupidity, but as you keep bringing out I guess I'm left with no choice, because I have so many responses to your comment I'll answer several times. I'll order them in least to more polite.

morlinge You haven't had problems finding a job? Glad to see that village idiot job market hasn't dried up... (started with crack whore, but thought we didn't need to be that rude.)

morlinge Typical stupid Conservative thinking. I've got mine. Plus we have our own anecdote to prove us right. We can ignore other anecdotes plus we can ignore facts. I know it must be easy to get a job because I have one. Now I might read that despite the fact that the unemployment rate is down, that the average pay is down too. Which means people are being forced to take jobs for less money than they were. This might include jobs that don't pay the cost of living for that person. But screw facts I have an anecdote.

morlinge Well I understand that it is getting easier but it is still not easy to find a job. Plus a job that pays close to what they were getting paid before just isn't happening. And in all honesty the companies are still making a lot of money, more money than they were when they were paying people the previous salary, so in fairness I would have thought that they should still pay the same wages. I mean the CEO and upper management wages have gone up during the time. So ours should stay the same. Still decent post.

morlinge Dear Sir or maddam. Thank you for your post. congrats on the job that you were able to find. What a great person you must be. I'm sure you are the pride of you parents/parent/guardian/town/city/etc. However there are some people not as great as you. So they are having some problems. So your ...


That seems like a lot of work just to be snarky. You could have just said "sorry to have disturbed you, Master," and gone on about your day.
 
2012-12-08 09:39:00 AM  

morlinge: The_Six_Fingered_Man: So tell me exactly what use the union has in a weakened state? How are they attempting to strengthen themselves in order to push back against this horrible corporate oppression? You say that Unions are required in order to fight all these injustices, but then go on to say that they can't do anything about them. So why are they needed again?

This is the same genius thinking that says. Well I have a massive cut on my leg. A very small band aid doesn't seem to have fixed anything. Now my friend is telling me that maybe a bigger band aid, or medical support might help. Personally I think I've tried medical support and it doesn't seem to work. I'm just going to let it be,


And yet your bigger band aid still isn't stemming the tide of blood and you just want the band aid to get bigger, so that maybe THIS time we can stop the bleeding. All the while ignoring that the band aid manufacturer is the one that gave you the massive cut on your leg.
 
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