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(ABC)   Oh my virgin eyes: High school student starts modesty club in a bid to teach her peers a lesson about dressing like hookers. Farking Bonus: She was inspired from her brother who started a no cussing club   (abcnews.go.com) divider line 217
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2012-12-07 09:32:53 PM  
Well, at least she isn't hot.
 
2012-12-07 09:35:02 PM  
You just know all those guys are hoping for some nice-guys-get-me-wet action.
 
2012-12-07 09:38:04 PM  
That's not as bad as the straight Victorian level shiat one of my friends pulled on me earlier this week. I've been trying to find a way to diplomatically tell her that she's a damn fool and if she keeps acting like this she's going to hate herself and her husband in a few years. And she's nearly 10 years older than the girl in the link.
 
2012-12-07 09:48:01 PM  
"Saige?" Really?

GAT_00: That's not as bad as the straight Victorian level shiat one of my friends pulled on me earlier this week. I've been trying to find a way to diplomatically tell her that she's a damn fool and if she keeps acting like this she's going to hate herself and her husband in a few years. And she's nearly 10 years older than the girl in the link.


Okay. I'm game. What did she do?
 
2012-12-07 09:49:54 PM  
Don't drink, don't smoke, what do you do?
 
2012-12-07 09:57:50 PM  

Shostie: Okay. I'm game. What did she do?


This is going to be a little vague. I have no reason to believe either her or her fiancee read this site, but no reason to risk it.

There's an absurdly big Christmas store down here, and my decoration collection is pretty small. We were talking about decorating for Christmas (and I should note here this woman is Church of Christ and yes she's a good friend of mine) and I mentioned that I wanted to head over there later in the week and invited her along. That morning I get a text that basically says she can't go because it would be "disrespectful" to her fiance to be around another guy without apparently him around. I more or less said 'what in the fark are you talking about' and I got back that she wants to be some kind of perfect fiance and ever be alone with a guy in any situation.

Like I said, I swear this text exchange came from farking Victorian England. And I'm pissed off because I read between the lines that she's afraid I'd try something which I think is incredibly insulting. I don't particularly want to tell her off on those terms, but I can't think of how to possibly say tactfully that you're insane and I'm incredibly insulted.
 
2012-12-07 10:00:02 PM  
Approves!

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2012-12-07 10:59:24 PM  
See what you've done, America? You put all of this effort into stopping bullying and now there's nobody to keep the "Modesty Club" and the "No-Cussing Club" in check. I hope you're happy.
 
2012-12-07 11:03:53 PM  

Shostie: "Saige?" Really?


I'd consider her an ingredient in my sausage stuffing. 

/ likes it with fennel too... and a hot Yoo-Hoo bottle
 
2012-12-07 11:56:04 PM  

GAT_00: Shostie: Okay. I'm game. What did she do?

This is going to be a little vague. I have no reason to believe either her or her fiancee read this site, but no reason to risk it.

There's an absurdly big Christmas store down here, and my decoration collection is pretty small. We were talking about decorating for Christmas (and I should note here this woman is Church of Christ and yes she's a good friend of mine) and I mentioned that I wanted to head over there later in the week and invited her along. That morning I get a text that basically says she can't go because it would be "disrespectful" to her fiance to be around another guy without apparently him around. I more or less said 'what in the fark are you talking about' and I got back that she wants to be some kind of perfect fiance and ever be alone with a guy in any situation.

Like I said, I swear this text exchange came from farking Victorian England. And I'm pissed off because I read between the lines that she's afraid I'd try something which I think is incredibly insulting. I don't particularly want to tell her off on those terms, but I can't think of how to possibly say tactfully that you're insane and I'm incredibly insulted.


Try going with something along the lines of "you're insane and I'm incredibly insulted".

GAT_00: and yes she's a good friend of mine


Oh. I can't help but wonder if it's not you she's worried about as much as herself. Foisting responsibility on a partner is a cheap and convenient way to shift blame, too?

/drinking tonight not trying to cross any lines, guy
 
2012-12-08 12:02:11 AM  
As silly and pointless as this effort is, I think it's pretty sad that people would resort to death threats and vandalism over something so trivial.

Snarky Fark comments are still acceptable though.
 
2012-12-08 12:03:14 AM  

GAT_00: Shostie: Okay. I'm game. What did she do?

This is going to be a little vague. I have no reason to believe either her or her fiancee read this site, but no reason to risk it.

There's an absurdly big Christmas store down here, and my decoration collection is pretty small. We were talking about decorating for Christmas (and I should note here this woman is Church of Christ and yes she's a good friend of mine) and I mentioned that I wanted to head over there later in the week and invited her along. That morning I get a text that basically says she can't go because it would be "disrespectful" to her fiance to be around another guy without apparently him around. I more or less said 'what in the fark are you talking about' and I got back that she wants to be some kind of perfect fiance and ever be alone with a guy in any situation.

Like I said, I swear this text exchange came from farking Victorian England. And I'm pissed off because I read between the lines that she's afraid I'd try something which I think is incredibly insulting. I don't particularly want to tell her off on those terms, but I can't think of how to possibly say tactfully that you're insane and I'm incredibly insulted.


Let me guess: her fiance is thinking "God, when did she become so clingy? I wish GAT_00 would take her out once in a while just to give me a break."
 
2012-12-08 12:03:51 AM  
She said she views immodest dress as showing cleavage, showing one's midriff or one's shoulders. Immodesty also includes shorts, dresses, pants and skirts that are too short or tight

Temperatures are mostly in the 90s and low 100s in South Pasadena in September and sometimes part of October...I doubt that she'll convince most girls to stop wearing shorts and tank tops during the first few weeks of the school year.
 
2012-12-08 12:10:07 AM  
I feel really terrible for both of these kids. Their dad wrote a book called "Raising a G Rated Kid in an X Rated World". I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that he's an authoritarian douchebag who's doing his level best to raise one miniature version of himself, and one subserviant girl who will grow up to be an obedient wife to another version of himself.

All I can really hope for these kids is that they get enough distance to think through these ideas themselves eventually. If they willfully choose to be like this as adults... well, more power to them I guess. But I tend to think these households are not actually very happy ones.
 
2012-12-08 12:22:38 AM  

Elzar: Don't drink, don't smoke, what do you do?


Subtle innuendo.

Genevieve Marie: I feel really terrible for both of these kids. Their dad wrote a book called "Raising a G Rated Kid in an X Rated World". I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that he's an authoritarian douchebag who's doing his level best to raise one miniature version of himself, and one subserviant girl who will grow up to be an obedient wife to another version of himself.

All I can really hope for these kids is that they get enough distance to think through these ideas themselves eventually. If they willfully choose to be like this as adults... well, more power to them I guess. But I tend to think these households are not actually very happy ones.


The brother is gay and can't out himself. Once these kids get out of the house and away from their parents it will be a disaster.
 
2012-12-08 12:42:45 AM  

Mentat: Let me guess: her fiance is thinking "God, when did she become so clingy? I wish GAT_00 would take her out once in a while just to give me a break."


I wondered if the dude wrote that but it sounded like her. By the way, in case anyone is wondering, yes I'm aware this whole thing is absurd and stupid and more than a little high school. I've just never tactfully learned how to try to tell someone they are ruining their own life by wrapping themselves up in a cocoon that 10 years from now they're going to hate themselves for.

Elandriel: Oh. I can't help but wonder if it's not you she's worried about as much as herself.


Hell if I know. There is some subtext that if I chose to read it that way that could mean that. It's also the most logical outcome that a woman who wants to throw herself at me is engaged because that's just my life.

Anyway, didn't mean to jack a now green thread with incredibly mundane and stupid shiat.
 
2012-12-08 12:46:00 AM  

Genevieve Marie: I feel really terrible for both of these kids. Their dad wrote a book called "Raising a G Rated Kid in an X Rated World". I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that he's an authoritarian douchebag who's doing his level best to raise one miniature version of himself, and one subserviant girl who will grow up to be an obedient wife to another version of himself.

All I can really hope for these kids is that they get enough distance to think through these ideas themselves eventually. If they willfully choose to be like this as adults... well, more power to them I guess. But I tend to think these households are not actually very happy ones.


No matter what, you always make me feel worse of myself as a human being. Thank you for that.... and you would be correct

/one needs a slap in the face every once in a while, These are kids and they need help
 
2012-12-08 01:00:09 AM  

GAT_00: And I'm pissed off because I read between the lines that she's afraid I'd try something which I think is incredibly insulting.


I don't think that's an unreasonable response. A few years ago my wife caught flack from a coworker because she was met by a male friend for lunch. She was told it was 'inappropriate to be with another man unaccompanied' when she was engaged to me. She was so surprised by this confrontation that she couldn't really formulate an appropriate response beyond "I'm sorry, are you serious?"

I think I was more pissed off than she was. It's insulting to everyone involved.
 
2012-12-08 01:03:05 AM  

GAT_00: Shostie: Okay. I'm game. What did she do?

This is going to be a little vague. I have no reason to believe either her or her fiancee read this site, but no reason to risk it.

There's an absurdly big Christmas store down here, and my decoration collection is pretty small. We were talking about decorating for Christmas (and I should note here this woman is Church of Christ and yes she's a good friend of mine) and I mentioned that I wanted to head over there later in the week and invited her along. That morning I get a text that basically says she can't go because it would be "disrespectful" to her fiance to be around another guy without apparently him around. I more or less said 'what in the fark are you talking about' and I got back that she wants to be some kind of perfect fiance and ever be alone with a guy in any situation.

Like I said, I swear this text exchange came from farking Victorian England. And I'm pissed off because I read between the lines that she's afraid I'd try something which I think is incredibly insulting. I don't particularly want to tell her off on those terms, but I can't think of how to possibly say tactfully that you're insane and I'm incredibly insulted.


Dude... she wants you

/I'll bet she'd go all flirty in seconds if you did anything without her fiance around to keep her in check
 
2012-12-08 01:04:14 AM  

costermonger: GAT_00: And I'm pissed off because I read between the lines that she's afraid I'd try something which I think is incredibly insulting.

I don't think that's an unreasonable response. A few years ago my wife caught flack from a coworker because she was met by a male friend for lunch. She was told it was 'inappropriate to be with another man unaccompanied' when she was engaged to me. She was so surprised by this confrontation that she couldn't really formulate an appropriate response beyond "I'm sorry, are you serious?"

I think I was more pissed off than she was. It's insulting to everyone involved.


Seriously, it implies a total lack of self-control and self-respect, that somehow you are now completely evaluated by how you are attached to someone else. Or that men apparently walk around constantly just throwing themselves at any woman. This isn't Victorian farking England.
 
2012-12-08 01:08:36 AM  
She's not very modest in my book. You can still see her ankles, arms, hair, and eyes. Slut.

curiosityquills.com
 
2012-12-08 01:11:18 AM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: I'll bet she'd go all flirty in seconds if you did anything without her fiance around to keep her in check


I've never met the guy actually. I mean, sure I'd see if it went anywhere if she was single, but she's not so I don't give a fark.

Funny thing is, I've had a variant of this situation happen to me before. I was in a few classes with a completely different woman years ago, and apparently because she talked about me a fair bit, her husband tried to come kill me. Like actually waiting outside my apartment in the parking lot, which luckily for me I didn't go anywhere that night. Found out like six months later when she told me. Kind of amusing actually, you know, once he wasn't trying to kill me. I've never provoked that kind of response in someone before. On the other hand, I was pissed off because I wasn't even farking her, and as I see it, if someone is going to kill me for banging his wife I'd like to actually be doing it, you know?

So, anyone got any more Tales of Boring White People?
 
2012-12-08 01:16:46 AM  

GAT_00: Seriously, it implies a total lack of self-control and self-respect, that somehow you are now completely evaluated by how you are attached to someone else. Or that men apparently walk around constantly just throwing themselves at any woman. This isn't Victorian farking England.


Pretty much. It's all sorts of farked up, unless you're part of some kind of ultra-orthodox religious community. It's still farked up there, too, but at least it's normal in that frame of reference. I still occasionally have an idle thought about whether or not the judgemental coworker goes through life avoiding one-on-one situations with men, or whether it's okay again once you're married.
 
2012-12-08 01:20:57 AM  
Does she not know where to find tee shirts and pants? While I feel that clothing should allow you to be functional in the given situation you will encounter. I don't think dressing a certain way means you are dressing like a hooker. Especially since guys are allowed to go in public shirtless without being considered hookers.
 
2012-12-08 01:21:31 AM  

costermonger: unless you're part of some kind of ultra-orthodox religious community


She's Church of Christ, so kinda.

And before someone asks me how the hell I get along with someone like this, I'd like to add this is also the only person I know IRL who voted for Jill Stein with me.
 
2012-12-08 01:38:15 AM  
How long until we get the followup story that she's suspended for letting the entire starting offensive line "earn the Brown Badge of Courage" behind the bleachers at the next Good Citizenship rally?

Helped by her brother, of course.
 
2012-12-08 01:52:22 AM  
What we got here is... failure to cogitate
parallax-view.org
 
2012-12-08 02:00:36 AM  
They sound super fun.
 
2012-12-08 02:03:01 AM  
I'm surprised they got 17 members.
 
2012-12-08 02:05:16 AM  
these kids today....

there is no more graffitti in my town. no more racing and cruising up and down the main drag. no juveniles hanging around sneering and intimidating old people. no one outside the convenience store asking me to buy them beer or if I want to buy some dope (yes, please).

what is wrong with the current generation?

the folks who came of age from the 40s through the 90s should gnash their teeth at such wasted young lives. they are pathetic.

/swag
//yolo
///slashie!
 
2012-12-08 02:05:40 AM  
Hey, it looks like the "No Cussing" club worked -- I haven't seen a single curse word on Fark since I joined!

/although I do see the word Shiat a lot
//hard to believe so many Shia Islams keep adding that extra t
 
2012-12-08 02:06:07 AM  
good for her.
 
2012-12-08 02:07:53 AM  
www.examiner.com

Her?
 
2012-12-08 02:09:16 AM  

GAT_00: There's an absurdly big Christmas store down here, and my decoration collection is pretty small.


Cue the tangled Christmas lights guy ;)

Damned if I can find it, though.
 
2012-12-08 02:12:17 AM  

GAT_00: Shostie: Okay. I'm game. What did she do?
This is going to be a little vague. I have no reason to believe either her or her fiancee read this site, but no reason to risk it.
There's an absurdly big Christmas store down here, and my decoration collection is pretty small. We were talking about decorating for Christmas (and I should note here this woman is Church of Christ and yes she's a good friend of mine) and I mentioned that I wanted to head over there later in the week and invited her along. That morning I get a text that basically says she can't go because it would be "disrespectful" to her fiance to be around another guy without apparently him around. I more or less said 'what in the fark are you talking about' and I got back that she wants to be some kind of perfect fiance and ever be alone with a guy in any situation.

Like I said, I swear this text exchange came from farking Victorian England. And I'm pissed off because I read between the lines that she's afraid I'd try something which I think is incredibly insulting.
I don't particularly want to tell her off on those terms, but I can't think of how to possibly say tactfully that you're insane and I'm incredibly insulted.


"Good-bye" is a nice start
 
2012-12-08 02:12:59 AM  

Mentat: Let me guess: her fiance is thinking "God, when did she become so clingy? I wish GAT_00 would take her out once in a while just to give me a break."


I think it's highly unlikely that he calls him GAT_00
 
2012-12-08 02:13:29 AM  

GAT_00: That morning I get a text that basically says she can't go because it would be "disrespectful" to her fiance to be around another guy without apparently him around. I more or less said 'what in the fark are you talking about' and I got back that she wants to be some kind of perfect fiance and ever be alone with a guy in any situation.

Like I said, I swear this text exchange came from farking Victorian England. And I'm pissed off because I read between the lines that she's afraid I'd try something which I think is incredibly insulting. I don't particularly want to tell her off on those terms, but I can't think of how to possibly say tactfully that you're insane and I'm incredibly insulted.


You should tell her "So you're following sharia law? Good for you."
 
2012-12-08 02:18:14 AM  
2012 - President and Founder of the high school Modesty Club
2015 - Beer-Bong Champion and Booty-Call Queen, Sigma Alpha Mu
 
2012-12-08 02:18:16 AM  
I'm ok with less cussing. It gets tiresome in conversation with some folks.
I figure good curse words should be saved for when you stub your toe or peel the meat back from your knuckle while working on the car,that kind of thing
 
2012-12-08 02:19:17 AM  

Genevieve Marie: I feel really terrible for both of these kids. Their dad wrote a book called "Raising a G Rated Kid in an X Rated World". I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that he's an authoritarian douchebag who's doing his level best to raise one miniature version of himself, and one subserviant girl who will grow up to be an obedient wife to another version of himself.

All I can really hope for these kids is that they get enough distance to think through these ideas themselves eventually. If they willfully choose to be like this as adults... well, more power to them I guess. But I tend to think these households are not actually very happy ones.


I can see one of two outcomes here: the first is that the kids tow the family line into adulthood. The second outcome is that both of these kids hightail it out of there, leaving douchebag dad to wonder why the kids never call and send his mail back unopened.
 
2012-12-08 02:20:26 AM  
KarmicDisaster
Approves!

From the text it sounds like she wasn't upset with flirting but sexual harassment.
 
2012-12-08 02:21:10 AM  

Mentat: As silly and pointless as this effort is, I think it's pretty sad that people would resort to death threats and vandalism over something so trivial.

Snarky Fark comments are still acceptable though.


Yeah, I don't know if I really believe all of that. Really odd that parents who supposedly took all sorts of steps to protect their son's club now, less than five years later, have started listing their phone number..

And no one sends death threats over not swearing. I feel it's a nice, convenient thing to have a couple of buddies egg your car and cry vandalism.
 
2012-12-08 02:22:30 AM  

sforce: I think it's highly unlikely that he calls him GAT_00


Nonsense, my life is totally tied up in my Internet personality. I changed my name legally and everything.

fusillade762: Cue the tangled Christmas lights guy ;)


i575.photobucket.com

Marcintosh: "Good-bye" is a nice start


Not what I want to do.
 
2012-12-08 02:23:39 AM  
biatch sounds like a stupid motherfarking farker from farktown, to me
 
2012-12-08 02:25:13 AM  

GAT_00: Shostie: Okay. I'm game. What did she do?

This is going to be a little vague. I have no reason to believe either her or her fiancee read this site, but no reason to risk it.

There's an absurdly big Christmas store down here, and my decoration collection is pretty small. We were talking about decorating for Christmas (and I should note here this woman is Church of Christ and yes she's a good friend of mine) and I mentioned that I wanted to head over there later in the week and invited her along. That morning I get a text that basically says she can't go because it would be "disrespectful" to her fiance to be around another guy without apparently him around. I more or less said 'what in the fark are you talking about' and I got back that she wants to be some kind of perfect fiance and ever be alone with a guy in any situation.

Like I said, I swear this text exchange came from farking Victorian England. And I'm pissed off because I read between the lines that she's afraid I'd try something which I think is incredibly insulting. I don't particularly want to tell her off on those terms, but I can't think of how to possibly say tactfully that you're insane and I'm incredibly insulted.


Oh god I hate people who pull that shiat.. I had that once with a guy I know, whose girlfriend still thinks that I was "after" him all because I invited him over when my then-boyfriend tried to kill himself (they are both schizophrenic and my boyfriend needed support). That and sending a text to everyone in my phone book one night when I was high (I doubt it was even intelligible). Wow. Clearly I am a hussy who was out to get her man. Nobody else had a problem, but this guy biatched at me about it at a party months later ... after having originally curtly told me "they never go anywhere alone" at the time! I apologised and explained. That was over 10 years ago, but she is STILL putting it around as fact that I tried to "steal her man".

Some people really make my blood boil. I think the subtext is that there is some major insecurity deal going on. I know for a fact that there was in my example. I HOPE one or both of them reads this ...

GRRR
 
2012-12-08 02:26:40 AM  
FTFA: "But Brent Hatch, Saige's father, said he was hesitant to let his daughter start the club after he saw what his son went through. When Saige's brother, McKay, started the No Cussing Club in 2009, it spurred thousands of hate messages.

During the death threats and the bomb threats and the packages and the calls and all the chaos, my daughter said to me when she was in the fifth grade that she wanted to start a modesty club," said Hatch, who co-authored "Raising a G-Rated Family in an X-Rated World," with his wife, Phelecia. "I laughed and said it's not going to happen, especially with what McKay's going through. 



Sounds like a bunch of coonts. I bet the wife takes up the arse, like her husband when the wife is away for Ladies' Etiquette Class.
 
2012-12-08 02:28:37 AM  

GAT_00: Shostie: Okay. I'm game. What did she do?

This is going to be a little vague. I have no reason to believe either her or her fiancee read this site, but no reason to risk it.

There's an absurdly big Christmas store down here, and my decoration collection is pretty small. We were talking about decorating for Christmas (and I should note here this woman is Church of Christ and yes she's a good friend of mine) and I mentioned that I wanted to head over there later in the week and invited her along. That morning I get a text that basically says she can't go because it would be "disrespectful" to her fiance to be around another guy without apparently him around. I more or less said 'what in the fark are you talking about' and I got back that she wants to be some kind of perfect fiance and ever be alone with a guy in any situation.

Like I said, I swear this text exchange came from farking Victorian England. And I'm pissed off because I read between the lines that she's afraid I'd try something which I think is incredibly insulting. I don't particularly want to tell her off on those terms, but I can't think of how to possibly say tactfully that you're insane and I'm incredibly insulted.


She has already considered the possibility that you and she might be alone together, and considering this has come to the conclusion that the inevitable result would be physical contact between you. Since she cannot predict your response, she has come to this conclusion based on what exists in her head; therefore, she cannot trust herself around you. This is classic blame-shifting. The upshot, though, is that even if you were to have consensual sex, in order to maintain her "spotless" image she would always present herself as the "innocent victim" and you as the "savage predator", no matter how much she wants it, because that's the logical conclusion of the blame-shifting game she has already presented to you.
 
2012-12-08 02:31:43 AM  

Makh: Does she not know where to find tee shirts and pants? While I feel that clothing should allow you to be functional in the given situation you will encounter. I don't think dressing a certain way means you are dressing like a hooker. Especially since guys are allowed to go in public shirtless without being considered hookers.


Funnily enough, most of the hookers I know dress very inconspicuously. The ones that work on the street, I mean. For one thing their addictions obviously take all their money, and I guess they don't want to attract the attention of the police etc.

/just saying ...
//I am a female, in case you were wondering
 
2012-12-08 02:32:00 AM  

GAT_00: but I can't think of how to possibly say tactfully that you're insane and I'm incredibly insulted.


Don't be incredibly insulted, just laugh at her. Say "I wouldn't let you try anything, because I now know you can't help yourself without Bob (or whatever his name is). Just know that I understand your weakness and it won't come between us". Then she will say "No, I was worried about you!" And you say "Well, that's no problem! You're kind of disgusting. I can pick you up in about 10 minutes."
 
2012-12-08 02:32:22 AM  
It's nice to see the "Future Homosexuals of America" there to support the cause.
 
2012-12-08 02:33:45 AM  
They're Mormons. I called it.
 
2012-12-08 02:37:00 AM  

GAT_00: Shostie: Okay. I'm game. What did she do?

This is going to be a little vague. I have no reason to believe either her or her fiancee read this site, but no reason to risk it.

There's an absurdly big Christmas store down here, and my decoration collection is pretty small. We were talking about decorating for Christmas (and I should note here this woman is Church of Christ and yes she's a good friend of mine) and I mentioned that I wanted to head over there later in the week and invited her along. That morning I get a text that basically says she can't go because it would be "disrespectful" to her fiance to be around another guy without apparently him around. I more or less said 'what in the fark are you talking about' and I got back that she wants to be some kind of perfect fiance and ever be alone with a guy in any situation.

Like I said, I swear this text exchange came from farking Victorian England. And I'm pissed off because I read between the lines that she's afraid I'd try something which I think is incredibly insulting. I don't particularly want to tell her off on those terms, but I can't think of how to possibly say tactfully that you're insane and I'm incredibly insulted.


To be fair, my SO I gaurnetee would not like me hanging around another guy even if he was "just a friend". Guys tend to get jealous, and lets be frank here, most have less than platonic ideas in mind.
 
2012-12-08 02:42:00 AM  

Genevieve Marie: I feel really terrible for both of these kids. Their dad wrote a book called "Raising a G Rated Kid in an X Rated World". I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that he's an authoritarian douchebag who's doing his level best to raise one miniature version of himself, and one subserviant girl who will grow up to be an obedient wife to another version of himself.

All I can really hope for these kids is that they get enough distance to think through these ideas themselves eventually. If they willfully choose to be like this as adults... well, more power to them I guess. But I tend to think these households are not actually very happy ones.


Hey that's not fair - my wife is a subserviant girl, who happens to be a dirty, dirty, bimbo :)
 
2012-12-08 02:47:35 AM  
2.bp.blogspot.com
Their father?
 
2012-12-08 02:49:03 AM  

GAT_00: So, anyone got any more Tales of Boring White People?


Yup. CSB:
I dated a loverly girl for almost 3 years, were were engaged for a while, and were looking for places to live together. But maturations went in different ways so the breakup was for the best. After we broke up I helped get her a job where I worked and all of the morbidly obese cave-hens freaked out about it. How could you be engaged? How can you still talk to him? Whose fault was it? You met his new girlfriend!?!?! He met your new boyfriend!?!!??!? Is up down and black white? I'm losing my mind!!!!

30 years later we're still friends and I talk to her about every month. Her husband is cool.
/CSB
To bring it back to modesty, the loverly girl was mostly modest, but when she wasn't it was poetry in Spanish. Immodesty is like gunfire: timing is what's important. Or sniperfire: stay hidden until you change a guy's life.
 
2012-12-08 02:50:28 AM  

flahorsegirl:
To be fair, my SO I gaurnetee would not like me hanging around another guy even if he was "just a friend". Guys tend to get jealous, and lets be frank here, most have less than platonic ideas in mind.


Also, this wasn't just hanging out -- going to a Christmas store is a very "couple-y" thing to do. Very high likelihood that clerks and bystanders think they are a couple when they are looking at bear-keepsake ornaments together.
 
2012-12-08 02:54:42 AM  
GAT - the next time you're with your female friend and her significant other, you should just lean over and motorboat her. Then, when he stops you, you're completely justified in thanking him because you couldn't control yourself.

/And if he doesn't stop you, you get to motorboat some boobies
 
2012-12-08 02:55:58 AM  

Rambino: flahorsegirl:
To be fair, my SO I gaurnetee would not like me hanging around another guy even if he was "just a friend". Guys tend to get jealous, and lets be frank here, most have less than platonic ideas in mind.

Also, this wasn't just hanging out -- going to a Christmas store is a very "couple-y" thing to do. Very high likelihood that clerks and bystanders think they are a couple when they are looking at bear-keepsake ornaments together.


We all know how crucial it is that clerks and bystanders approve of your activities.
 
2012-12-08 02:57:49 AM  

Lorelle: She said she views immodest dress as showing cleavage, showing one's midriff or one's shoulders. Immodesty also includes shorts, dresses, pants and skirts that are too short or tight

Temperatures are mostly in the 90s and low 100s in South Pasadena in September and sometimes part of October...I doubt that she'll convince most girls to stop wearing shorts and tank tops during the first few weeks of the school year.


Since when do teenaged girls make the weather a priority when getting dressed? If fleece overalls were trendy, they'd wear fleece overalls regardless of the temperature.
 
2012-12-08 03:00:11 AM  
images.tvrage.com
 
2012-12-08 03:02:03 AM  

highwayrun: Rambino: flahorsegirl:
To be fair, my SO I gaurnetee would not like me hanging around another guy even if he was "just a friend". Guys tend to get jealous, and lets be frank here, most have less than platonic ideas in mind.

Also, this wasn't just hanging out -- going to a Christmas store is a very "couple-y" thing to do. Very high likelihood that clerks and bystanders think they are a couple when they are looking at bear-keepsake ornaments together.

We all know how crucial it is that clerks and bystanders approve of your activities.


That wasn't the point, its having respect for your SO. If I know it's going to get him pissed I don't do it. How happy would I be if I found out he was going Christmas decorating shopping with another woman?

/ atheist btw
 
2012-12-08 03:02:49 AM  
Christ this broad is gonna be a wild lay in college.
 
2012-12-08 03:05:38 AM  

GAT_00: Shostie: Okay. I'm game. What did she do?

This is going to be a little vague. I have no reason to believe either her or her fiancee read this site, but no reason to risk it.

There's an absurdly big Christmas store down here, and my decoration collection is pretty small. We were talking about decorating for Christmas (and I should note here this woman is Church of Christ and yes she's a good friend of mine) and I mentioned that I wanted to head over there later in the week and invited her along. That morning I get a text that basically says she can't go because it would be "disrespectful" to her fiance to be around another guy without apparently him around. I more or less said 'what in the fark are you talking about' and I got back that she wants to be some kind of perfect fiance and ever be alone with a guy in any situation.

Like I said, I swear this text exchange came from farking Victorian England. And I'm pissed off because I read between the lines that she's afraid I'd try something which I think is incredibly insulting. I don't particularly want to tell her off on those terms, but I can't think of how to possibly say tactfully that you're insane and I'm incredibly insulted.


Dude, Church of Farking Christ, what do you expect? Those folks see Satatn in their corn flakes. They think the John Birch Society is communist. They make Philip K. Dick look sane. Stay away from them.

/Former fundie. I know of which I speak.
 
2012-12-08 03:06:36 AM  
Genevieve Marie: I feel really terrible for both of these kids. Their dad wrote a book called "Raising a G Rated Kid in an X Rated World". I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that he's an authoritarian douchebag who's doing his level best to raise one miniature version of himself, and one subserviant girl who will grow up to be an obedient wife to another version of himself.

All I can really hope for these kids is that they get enough distance to think through these ideas themselves eventually. If they willfully choose to be like this as adults... well, more power to them I guess. But I tend to think these households are not actually very happy ones.


I am guessing he is also a "Christian" who believes the middle class should give up all their assets to the already-wealthy, just like Jesus intended.
 
2012-12-08 03:07:08 AM  

flahorsegirl: highwayrun: Rambino: flahorsegirl:
To be fair, my SO I gaurnetee would not like me hanging around another guy even if he was "just a friend". Guys tend to get jealous, and lets be frank here, most have less than platonic ideas in mind.

Also, this wasn't just hanging out -- going to a Christmas store is a very "couple-y" thing to do. Very high likelihood that clerks and bystanders think they are a couple when they are looking at bear-keepsake ornaments together.

We all know how crucial it is that clerks and bystanders approve of your activities.

That wasn't the point, its having respect for your SO. If I know it's going to get him pissed I don't do it. How happy would I be if I found out he was going Christmas decorating shopping with another woman?

/ atheist btw


I fail to see how any adult and mature SO would be reasonable to have a problem with this. My wife goes out for lunch with a male co-worker every Friday at a cafe they like. I don't really like hanging out at cafes, so I don't usually go.

Should I have a problem with it, like some drama-addicted teenager?
 
2012-12-08 03:07:17 AM  

flahorsegirl: That wasn't the point, its having respect for your SO. If I know it's going to get him pissed I don't do it. How happy would I be if I found out he was going Christmas decorating shopping with another woman?


Sounds like you both have trust issues. Good luck with all of that.
 
2012-12-08 03:07:47 AM  

Snarcoleptic_Hoosier: GAT - the next time you're with your female friend and her significant other, you should just lean over and motorboat her. Then, when he stops you, you're completely justified in thanking him because you couldn't control yourself.

/And if he doesn't stop you, you get to motorboat some boobies


Motorboating A/B cups is really just another way of saying "hey, let me get your shirt wet for you."
 
2012-12-08 03:10:04 AM  
This girl is going to wind up with 30 cocks in her ass like the plumes of a peacock, begging for some drunken fratboy to put in #31.

The "nice, modest" ones who want to force that modesty on you always wind up that way.

/and there's nothing wrong with that. I just hate the hypocrisy because of a little redheaded coont I used to know.
 
2012-12-08 03:11:03 AM  
Don't we mock Muslims for doing this?
 
2012-12-08 03:11:22 AM  

zenferret: flahorsegirl: That wasn't the point, its having respect for your SO. If I know it's going to get him pissed I don't do it. How happy would I be if I found out he was going Christmas decorating shopping with another woman?

Sounds like you both have trust issues. Good luck with all of that.


No. I think that in reality it's pretty unlikely that a guy, unless they bat for the other team is seriously going to want to go Christmas shopping with a female friend. Without nookie after. Get real.
 
2012-12-08 03:11:59 AM  

Kurmudgeon: I'm ok with less cussing. It gets tiresome in conversation with some folks.
I figure good curse words should be saved for when you stub your toe or peel the meat back from your knuckle while working on the car,that kind of thing


It's not a bad idea. I can still remember when "f*ck" was only used when you meant it, not as every other word in an ordinary conversation. I'm not suggesting going back to "shucks," but it would be nice for a swear word to have some actual impact.
 
2012-12-08 03:12:30 AM  

flahorsegirl: To be fair, my SO I gaurnetee would not like me hanging around another guy even if he was "just a friend". Guys tend to get jealous, and lets be frank here, most have less than platonic ideas in mind.


Maybe that's mostly true, but not always. I have female friends (and yes, I'd like to nail them) and she has male friend I think she might like to nail. But we don't. She's completely free to nail those guys and I'm free to nail those ladies, but that would probably dissolve our marriage (that's the thing about monogamy). That's about it. I don't have to watch her and she doesn't have to watch me to maintain monogamy. Plus, she comes home to me where we can watch old VCR tapes of Python, make Xmas cookies and stick tape on cats. Beat that!
 
2012-12-08 03:14:01 AM  
She said she views immodest dress as showing cleavage,

OK, fair enough...

showing one's midriff

Meh, doesn't bother me, but some people seem to have issues with it, so whatever...

or one's shoulders.

Oh, FFS, this just got stupid. It's like living here in Utah, people around here are so repressed that you can hear their assholes squeaking hen they walk. I can't even walk around downtown without noise canceling headphones on, or my eye start to spin and my farking head starts to throb. Once again, someone takes an idea you might be able to respect and turns the farking knob that controls how far they take it all the way up to 11.

I mean seriously, "shoulders"? You have got to be kidding me. Hell, I can even respect the brother's "No Cussing Club", but this biatch just drifted into Quaker territory, if the Mormons get wind of this, they'll try to one up her, and my kids will have to attend school in a hazmat suit wrapped in .5 mil black opaque contractor's plastic, and only their eyes will be visible.
 
2012-12-08 03:16:37 AM  

flahorsegirl: zenferret: flahorsegirl: That wasn't the point, its having respect for your SO. If I know it's going to get him pissed I don't do it. How happy would I be if I found out he was going Christmas decorating shopping with another woman?

Sounds like you both have trust issues. Good luck with all of that.

No. I think that in reality it's pretty unlikely that a guy, unless they bat for the other team is seriously going to want to go Christmas shopping with a female friend. Without nookie after. Get real.


Because Xmas shopping makes me so horny! Are you demented?
 
2012-12-08 03:17:50 AM  

On the Side: Because Xmas shopping makes me so horny!


I bet it's seeing all those balls that does it for you
 
2012-12-08 03:19:57 AM  

costermonger: GAT_00: And I'm pissed off because I read between the lines that she's afraid I'd try something which I think is incredibly insulting.

I don't think that's an unreasonable response. A few years ago my wife caught flack from a coworker because she was met by a male friend for lunch. She was told it was 'inappropriate to be with another man unaccompanied' when she was engaged to me. She was so surprised by this confrontation that she couldn't really formulate an appropriate response beyond "I'm sorry, are you serious?"

I think I was more pissed off than she was. It's insulting to everyone involved.


When we first moved to Utah I got one of the Igloo style doghouses on Craigslist. We didn't have truck or van, so asked our neighbor across the street if she could drive us over to pick it up, she had no problem with it, but she could not drive with me in the car, she and my wife had to do the heavy lifting, while I stayed and watched her kids, all because the Mormons apparently can't keep it in their pants any time a opposite sex(but non-related) person is nearby. For God's sake, the woman had known me for about 9 months by that point and trusted me with her kids, but if we drove to get the doghouse, we were just going to HAVE to pull over and do the nasty somewhere in the 3 mile drive that we were looking at.
 
2012-12-08 03:19:58 AM  

sforce: On the Side: Because Xmas shopping makes me so horny!

I bet it's seeing all those balls that does it for you


Its all the boxes just waiting to be stuffed with Xmas cheer.
 
2012-12-08 03:21:38 AM  
Why would it bother her? Is it that looking good in slutty outfits isnt an equal opportunity gig?
 
2012-12-08 03:21:58 AM  

flahorsegirl: No. I think that in reality it's pretty unlikely that a guy, unless they bat for the other team is seriously going to want to go Christmas shopping with a female friend. Without nookie after. Get real.


Believe it or not, grownups rarely have this problem.

Yeah, you're an episode of "Cheaters" waiting to happen.
 
2012-12-08 03:22:30 AM  

costermonger: GAT_00: And I'm pissed off because I read between the lines that she's afraid I'd try something which I think is incredibly insulting.

I don't think that's an unreasonable response. A few years ago my wife caught flack from a coworker because she was met by a male friend for lunch. She was told it was 'inappropriate to be with another man unaccompanied' when she was engaged to me. She was so surprised by this confrontation that she couldn't really formulate an appropriate response beyond "I'm sorry, are you serious?"

I think I was more pissed off than she was. It's insulting to everyone involved.


I think I'd make it clear to that coworker and any others around how stupid that kind of attitude is. And I'd keep repeating it till they got embarrassed. The majority of my friends are males, and I made sure Lordfortuna knew that before we even met the first time (yeah yeah, online dating. Married two years, together for seven). I'm loyal, but I'm not giving up my friends because the SO says so.
 
2012-12-08 03:22:37 AM  

Mentat: As silly and pointless as this effort is, I think it's pretty sad that people would resort to death threats and vandalism over something so trivial.

Snarky Fark comments are still acceptable though.


Sometimes you have to wonder how many of the death threats are real, and not just kids farking around, especially with something like this, some dipwad from the brother's school calls and wants to sound as intimidating as possible while doing the modern day equivalent of asking if they have Prince Albert in a can, and suddenly the FBI is wasting their time.
 
2012-12-08 03:24:14 AM  

On the Side: sforce: On the Side: Because Xmas shopping makes me so horny!

I bet it's seeing all those balls that does it for you

Its all the boxes just waiting to be stuffed with Xmas cheer.


And the Ho Ho Hos.
 
2012-12-08 03:26:25 AM  

flahorsegirl: I think that in reality it's pretty unlikely that a guy, unless they bat for the other team is seriously going to want to go Christmas shopping with a female friend. Without nookie after. Get real.


I need to buy stuff, and she might help me buy stuff for my female friends. Is that difficult to understand. It's why I shopped for Xmas (which I hate) with my sister, and aunt, and now my niece. According to you, I want nookie from them all. Grow up. It's not all about your twat, you twat.
 
2012-12-08 03:27:03 AM  

FirstNationalBastard: On the Side: sforce: On the Side: Because Xmas shopping makes me so horny!

I bet it's seeing all those balls that does it for you

Its all the boxes just waiting to be stuffed with Xmas cheer.

And the Ho Ho Hos.


And looking at the reindeer all you can think of is pulling on their antlers while you ride them
 
2012-12-08 03:27:53 AM  

Mikey1969: Hell, I can even respect the brother's "No Cussing Club", but this biatch just drifted into Quaker territory


Don't blame the Quakers for this one, please. For 99.9% of friends, plain dress went out over a hundred years ago. No funny underwear, silly hats or macrame tied to the trousers either.
 
2012-12-08 03:30:20 AM  

Mikey1969: When we first moved to Utah I got one of the Igloo style doghouses on Craigslist. We didn't have truck or van, so asked our neighbor across the street if she could drive us over to pick it up, she had no problem with it, but she could not drive with me in the car, she and my wife had to do the heavy lifting, while I stayed and watched her kids, all because the Mormons apparently can't keep it in their pants any time a opposite sex(but non-related) person is nearby. For God's sake, the woman had known me for about 9 months by that point and trusted me with her kids, but if we drove to get the doghouse, we were just going to HAVE to pull over and do the nasty somewhere in the 3 mile drive that we were looking at.


The more repressed the person, the more you see that kind of shiat and the Mormons are a pretty repressed lot. They worry that when their fellows are out of their sight, they'll act out, and often they are right.

The whole "don't bring only one Moron on a fishing trip or he'll drink all your beer" stereotype is based in reality. The repressed people do as they believe they should when they think they are being watched, but will try things when they think they aren't.
 
2012-12-08 03:30:59 AM  

sforce: FirstNationalBastard: On the Side: sforce: On the Side: Because Xmas shopping makes me so horny!

I bet it's seeing all those balls that does it for you

Its all the boxes just waiting to be stuffed with Xmas cheer.

And the Ho Ho Hos.

And looking at the reindeer all you can think of is pulling on their antlers while you ride them


And the elves...ooh yea!
 
2012-12-08 03:33:14 AM  

Aquapope: flahorsegirl: I think that in reality it's pretty unlikely that a guy, unless they bat for the other team is seriously going to want to go Christmas shopping with a female friend. Without nookie after. Get real.

I need to buy stuff, and she might help me buy stuff for my female friends. Is that difficult to understand. It's why I shopped for Xmas (which I hate) with my sister, and aunt, and now my niece. According to you, I want nookie from them all. Grow up. It's not all about your twat, you twat.


Aqua*dope*, your saying your going out with family members. How happy would your wife be if you went out with female coworkers? This is of course if your not still living in your parents basement.
 
2012-12-08 03:36:42 AM  

flahorsegirl: Aquapope: flahorsegirl: I think that in reality it's pretty unlikely that a guy, unless they bat for the other team is seriously going to want to go Christmas shopping with a female friend. Without nookie after. Get real.

I need to buy stuff, and she might help me buy stuff for my female friends. Is that difficult to understand. It's why I shopped for Xmas (which I hate) with my sister, and aunt, and now my niece. According to you, I want nookie from them all. Grow up. It's not all about your twat, you twat.

Aqua*dope*, your saying your going out with family members. How happy would your wife be if you went out with female coworkers? This is of course if your not still living in your parents basement.


Maybe you should address my post, since that's exactly what I wrote about.

And were my wife's position and mine reversed, she would be perfectly cool with it, just like I am. It's a benefit of being a mature adult without self-esteem and trust issues.
 
2012-12-08 03:39:21 AM  

flahorsegirl: Aqua*dope*, your saying your going out with family members. How happy would your wife be if you went out with female coworkers?


My wife wouldn't mind at all. But then, I'd never cheat on her, and she knows I'd never cheat on her.

I guess that's the part that totally eludes you. We're not all predisposed to sexing at every possible opportunity.
 
2012-12-08 03:44:19 AM  
Aagrajag, I had but somehow it's missing. I said to you that written out it does sound a bit Victorian. It very well might be. He is a bit old school catholic. I am an atheist. Either way its more to the point of respecting him, and I know it would drive him crazy and put a wedge between us. So I don't. The girl in question might be under similar circumstances.
 
2012-12-08 03:46:40 AM  
Bimba, please!
 
2012-12-08 03:49:04 AM  

flahorsegirl: Aagrajag, I had but somehow it's missing. I said to you that written out it does sound a bit Victorian. It very well might be. He is a bit old school catholic. I am an atheist. Either way its more to the point of respecting him, and I know it would drive him crazy and put a wedge between us. So I don't. The girl in question might be under similar circumstances.


Fair enough. I doubt I would be very happy in that situation though, as I would consider his attitudes rather immature, and respect is very important in a relationship, as you wrote. But respecting a person for his viewpoints is at least as important as respecting those viewpoints themselves.

//atheist
///ex-Catholic, altar-boy and all
 
2012-12-08 03:50:49 AM  

zenferret: flahorsegirl: Aqua*dope*, your saying your going out with family members. How happy would your wife be if you went out with female coworkers?

My wife wouldn't mind at all. But then, I'd never cheat on her, and she knows I'd never cheat on her.

I guess that's the part that totally eludes you. We're not all predisposed to sexing at every possible opportunity.


My ex used to hang out with her friend Jerry all the time and it never bothered me because I trusted her. And because I was making less money than her at the time I couldn't afford to go out as much as she wanted to.

Of course I found out later that she cheated on me with him.

Even then I'd probably behave the same way today.  Jealousy is about insecurity, not love.
 
2012-12-08 03:54:08 AM  

fusillade762: zenferret: flahorsegirl: Aqua*dope*, your saying your going out with family members. How happy would your wife be if you went out with female coworkers?

My wife wouldn't mind at all. But then, I'd never cheat on her, and she knows I'd never cheat on her.

I guess that's the part that totally eludes you. We're not all predisposed to sexing at every possible opportunity.

My ex used to hang out with her friend Jerry all the time and it never bothered me because I trusted her. And because I was making less money than her at the time I couldn't afford to go out as much as she wanted to.

Of course I found out later that she cheated on me with him.

Even then I'd probably behave the same way today.  Jealousy is about insecurity, not love.


It's often also a sign of a tendency to cheat.

My wife's ex-boyfriend was crazy-jealous. Guess who cheated on whom? Twice. That we know of.

When a person is strongly concerned about the other's fidelity, it's often because that person is projecting their own lack of self-control onto another.
 
2012-12-08 03:54:41 AM  

flahorsegirl: Aqua*dope*, your saying your going out with family members. How happy would your wife be if you went out with female coworkers? This is of course if your not still living in your parents basement.


I DO go out with female work friends, females who are friends of my SO, and female relatives. If you are female, I might go out for a drink or lunch with you, but probably not for more than one. My SO also goes out with her friends. And my friends, because they're our friends.

And you also said something like "If I know it will make him mad I won't do it". Does that go for everything? What if he gets mad if you get a job, dry out the roast, wear pants instead of a dress, talk in church, objects when he sells your daughter (or farks her), eat shellfish or blow his drunk dad, or put that gottdamn synthetic oil crap in your new pickemuptruck?

Having said all that, your aquadope moniker for me, the parents' basement thing, and your general coont attitude makes me think you have no real ideas. You're just being a coont to be a coont, and you are generally not enjoyable. Pity must be fun.

Yeah, that had to be a troll. Sorry everybody for responding but I'm drinkin and my cuzzin is lookin good yall. heheheheh.
 
2012-12-08 03:57:09 AM  
Actually, in an age where immodesty is the norm, and women dress in as little as possible, going the opposite route becomes incredibly sexy, so long as it's done with confidence and not simply out of some misguided puritan instinct.

Sadly, this is probably the latter, but the point still stands.
 
2012-12-08 03:59:48 AM  

optional: Actually, in an age where immodesty is the norm, and women dress in as little as possible, going the opposite route becomes incredibly sexy, so long as it's done with confidence and not simply out of some misguided puritan instinct.

Sadly, this is probably the latter, but the point still stands.


Probably? Probably?

"Immodesty", in the sexual sense, is a word that should only be used to mock the psycho-sexually damaged people who take the concept seriously.
 
2012-12-08 04:01:21 AM  
Send them to Egypt or some country where those are considered blasphemous or illegal and everyone's forced to follow.
 
2012-12-08 04:01:38 AM  
www.trilobite.org
 
2012-12-08 04:03:06 AM  
I'm a fan of modest dressing and always have been (grew up atheist in a christian household) There is a difference between dressing modest and dressing matronly, the Duchess of Cambridge has been demonstrating this rather well (with a few exceptions.) How we dress is an advertisement to everyone that sees us, the question is what do you want to advertise?
 
2012-12-08 04:05:51 AM  

Aquapope:
Yeah, that had to be a troll. Sorry everybody for responding but I'm drinkin and my cuzzin is lookin good yall. heheheheh.


Aquadope is drunk and wanting to have sex with his cousin. CASE IN POINT!!

JK Aquadope, all it good. Enjoy your buzz. 8-)
 
2012-12-08 04:06:51 AM  

zenferret: flahorsegirl: That wasn't the point, its having respect for your SO. If I know it's going to get him pissed I don't do it. How happy would I be if I found out he was going Christmas decorating shopping with another woman?

Sounds like you both have trust issues. Good luck with all of that.


Seriously. If either of you would get "pissed off" because you spent time shopping with a friend, your relationship's gonna end badly.

"Christmas decorating shopping with another woman?" If anyone female that your SO goes shopping with is someone you'd even casually call "another woman," as opposed to "a friend of his" (who cares about gender in this scenario?), you may need help.

You don't get to choose his friends, and he doesn't get to choose yours. You either trust him or you don't.

If there's something weird about the friendship, have a conversation with your SO.

"I think she's got a thing for you."
"Really?"
"Yes! You don't see it?"
"Hadn't really given it any thought."
"Well, pay attention, because I think it's getting weird."
"OK, well, I'll tell you about our shopping trip when I get back."
"If it's even a little weird, I'm not sure I feel comfortable having her around. It's wigging me out, to be honest."
"Well, OK. I don't want to lose her as a friend, but I'll talk with you about it, and we'll come to a decision together."

But if it's "OMG, he went Christmas shopping with someone who has a vagina! Christmas shopping!!!" - well, then, you need your head shrunk.
 
2012-12-08 04:07:26 AM  

Uniquely Common: I'm a fan of modest dressing and always have been (grew up atheist in a christian household) There is a difference between dressing modest and dressing matronly, the Duchess of Cambridge has been demonstrating this rather well (with a few exceptions.) How we dress is an advertisement to everyone that sees us, the question is what do you want to advertise?


The things is: "modest" and "immodest" are relative to the culture in which they exist. The Duchess of Cambridge, as an example, would be in some cultures a slut-whore-temptress and immediately stoned to death.

Me, I've never seen the point in deliberately concealing beauty. Life's too short for that.
 
2012-12-08 04:09:44 AM  

GungFu: FTFA: "But Brent Hatch, Saige's father, said he was hesitant to let his daughter start the club after he saw what his son went through. When Saige's brother, McKay, started the No Cussing Club in 2009, it spurred thousands of hate messages.

During the death threats and the bomb threats and the packages and the calls and all the chaos, my daughter said to me when she was in the fifth grade that she wanted to start a modesty club," said Hatch, who co-authored "Raising a G-Rated Family in an X-Rated World," with his wife, Phelecia. "I laughed and said it's not going to happen, especially with what McKay's going through. 


Sounds like a bunch of coonts. I bet the wife takes up the arse, like her husband when the wife is away for Ladies' Etiquette Class.


Wait. Bomb threats? Did they call the police? Or are they drama queens making shiat up to fulfill their persecution complex?
 
2012-12-08 04:11:43 AM  

GAT_00: Shostie: Okay. I'm game. What did she do?

This is going to be a little vague. I have no reason to believe either her or her fiancee read this site, but no reason to risk it.

There's an absurdly big Christmas store down here, and my decoration collection is pretty small. We were talking about decorating for Christmas (and I should note here this woman is Church of Christ and yes she's a good friend of mine) and I mentioned that I wanted to head over there later in the week and invited her along. That morning I get a text that basically says she can't go because it would be "disrespectful" to her fiance to be around another guy without apparently him around. I more or less said 'what in the fark are you talking about' and I got back that she wants to be some kind of perfect fiance and ever be alone with a guy in any situation.

Like I said, I swear this text exchange came from farking Victorian England. And I'm pissed off because I read between the lines that she's afraid I'd try something which I think is incredibly insulting. I don't particularly want to tell her off on those terms, but I can't think of how to possibly say tactfully that you're insane and I'm incredibly insulted.


Buy some creepily specific fetish toys to be delivered to her house with her husbands name on one box and hers on one that arrives the next day. Like an inflatable butt plug for one and a speculum for the other, (first decide which makes the most sense for one person, then do the opposite). They deserve whatever happens.
 
2012-12-08 04:12:47 AM  

thisisarepeat: GAT_00: Shostie: Okay. I'm game. What did she do?

This is going to be a little vague. I have no reason to believe either her or her fiancee read this site, but no reason to risk it.

There's an absurdly big Christmas store down here, and my decoration collection is pretty small. We were talking about decorating for Christmas (and I should note here this woman is Church of Christ and yes she's a good friend of mine) and I mentioned that I wanted to head over there later in the week and invited her along. That morning I get a text that basically says she can't go because it would be "disrespectful" to her fiance to be around another guy without apparently him around. I more or less said 'what in the fark are you talking about' and I got back that she wants to be some kind of perfect fiance and ever be alone with a guy in any situation.

Like I said, I swear this text exchange came from farking Victorian England. And I'm pissed off because I read between the lines that she's afraid I'd try something which I think is incredibly insulting. I don't particularly want to tell her off on those terms, but I can't think of how to possibly say tactfully that you're insane and I'm incredibly insulted.

Buy some creepily specific fetish toys to be delivered to her house with her husbands name on one box and hers on one that arrives the next day. Like an inflatable butt plug for one and a speculum for the other, (first decide which makes the most sense for one person, then do the opposite). They deserve whatever happens.


Hmm, very 4chan-esque. I like it.
 
2012-12-08 04:15:36 AM  

flahorsegirl: JK Aquadope, all it good. Enjoy your buzz. 8-)


I don't think it's good at all. Buzz ahoy, mate.
 
2012-12-08 04:20:23 AM  

Aquapope: flahorsegirl: JK Aquadope, all it good. Enjoy your buzz. 8-)

I don't think it's good at all. Buzz ahoy, mate.


You will wake up in the AM and realize I am being kind. Good night.
 
2012-12-08 04:29:46 AM  
The problem is, it's all but impossible to define what is an isn't dressing like a slut without including what's really just your own opinion.
 
2012-12-08 04:45:52 AM  
GAT_00: And I'm pissed off because I read between the lines that she's afraid I'd try something which I think is incredibly insulting. I don't particularly want to tell her off on those terms, but I can't think of how to possibly say tactfully that you're insane and I'm incredibly insulted.

The phrase "sorry sweetheart, you're not that hot" comes to mind. It put a few hetero girls in their place back when I came out all bi & all. ;)
 
2012-12-08 04:46:48 AM  
How the fark did this conversation go from "highschooler thinks Courtney Stodden shouldn't be every girls fashion template" to "idiots think men and women shouldn't talk hurr durr"?

But to the topic at hand: anyone who thinks modest dress is at odds with sexual attraction is invited to kiss the asses of Steampunk Codex and her likeminded cohorts.

jp8.r0tt.com

24.media.tumblr.com

i273.photobucket.com

/Ain't nothing wrong with 'Victorian'.
 
2012-12-08 04:56:41 AM  

flahorsegirl: Aquapope: flahorsegirl: JK Aquadope, all it good. Enjoy your buzz. 8-)

I don't think it's good at all. Buzz ahoy, mate.

You will wake up in the AM and realize I am being kind. Good night.


No, you've launched some heavy jabs to deflect for some reason.
 
2012-12-08 05:00:54 AM  

gerrymander: How the fark did this conversation go from "highschooler thinks Courtney Stodden shouldn't be every girls fashion template" to "idiots think men and women shouldn't talk hurr durr"?

But to the topic at hand: anyone who thinks modest dress is at odds with sexual attraction is invited to kiss the asses of Steampunk Codex and her likeminded cohorts.

[jp8.r0tt.com image 400x548]

[24.media.tumblr.com image 500x742]

[i273.photobucket.com image 300x534]

/Ain't nothing wrong with 'Victorian'.


No, but cosplayers are completely unsexy.
 
2012-12-08 05:10:39 AM  

gerrymander: How the fark did this conversation go from "highschooler thinks Courtney Stodden shouldn't be every girls fashion template" to "idiots think men and women shouldn't talk hurr durr"?

But to the topic at hand: anyone who thinks modest dress is at odds with sexual attraction is invited to kiss the asses of Steampunk Codex and her likeminded cohorts.

[jp8.r0tt.com image 400x548]

[24.media.tumblr.com image 500x742]

[i273.photobucket.com image 300x534]

/Ain't nothing wrong with 'Victorian'.


You're aware that a corset is an undergarment, right? Those wouldn't really be "modest" as such, they're essentially a state of partial undress.

Not that there's anything wrong with that, it just doesn't really support your point, eh.
 
2012-12-08 05:13:47 AM  

FirstNationalBastard: gerrymander: How the fark did this conversation go from "highschooler thinks Courtney Stodden shouldn't be every girls fashion template" to "idiots think men and women shouldn't talk hurr durr"?

But to the topic at hand: anyone who thinks modest dress is at odds with sexual attraction is invited to kiss the asses of Steampunk Codex and her likeminded cohorts.

[jp8.r0tt.com image 400x548]

[24.media.tumblr.com image 500x742]

[i273.photobucket.com image 300x534]

/Ain't nothing wrong with 'Victorian'.

No, but cosplayers are completely unsexy.


i182.photobucket.com

Balderdash!
 
2012-12-08 05:26:59 AM  

RatMaster999: FirstNationalBastard: gerrymander: How the fark did this conversation go from "highschooler thinks Courtney Stodden shouldn't be every girls fashion template" to "idiots think men and women shouldn't talk hurr durr"?

But to the topic at hand: anyone who thinks modest dress is at odds with sexual attraction is invited to kiss the asses of Steampunk Codex and her likeminded cohorts.

[jp8.r0tt.com image 400x548]

[24.media.tumblr.com image 500x742]

[i273.photobucket.com image 300x534]

/Ain't nothing wrong with 'Victorian'.

No, but cosplayers are completely unsexy.

[i182.photobucket.com image 700x1016]

Balderdashia


tits are a dime a dozen, and the fact that she has to play dress-up to even get anyone to look at her proves she's probably not that interesting in the first place.
 
2012-12-08 06:02:06 AM  

GAT_00: Shostie: Okay. I'm game. What did she do?

This is going to be a little vague. I have no reason to believe either her or her fiancee read this site, but no reason to risk it.

There's an absurdly big Christmas store down here, and my decoration collection is pretty small. We were talking about decorating for Christmas (and I should note here this woman is Church of Christ and yes she's a good friend of mine) and I mentioned that I wanted to head over there later in the week and invited her along. That morning I get a text that basically says she can't go because it would be "disrespectful" to her fiance to be around another guy without apparently him around. I more or less said 'what in the fark are you talking about' and I got back that she wants to be some kind of perfect fiance and ever be alone with a guy in any situation.

Like I said, I swear this text exchange came from farking Victorian England. And I'm pissed off because I read between the lines that she's afraid I'd try something which I think is incredibly insulting. I don't particularly want to tell her off on those terms, but I can't think of how to possibly say tactfully that you're insane and I'm incredibly insulted.


This isn't unusual. Why are you posting it here like it is a mind-blowing situation? They are engaged to be married and she doesn't want to create waves in her relationship. In *MOST* cases going out 1-1 with another man has high potential to cause issues. You even said you haven't met the guy which means his imagination could run wild about who you are. Even outside of that, however, you are a guy and more than likely would hook up with this girl given the chance.

Why not propose that she bring her fiance along? It should be a non-issue if you don't have shady motives.
 
2012-12-08 06:18:32 AM  
The more a person believes "God is real, Jesus is our savior, and he created all of us", the more freaked out they get about seeing the people that God created.

You're welcome to dress like some muslim girl who isn't allowed to show any skin at all. If that's what you want to do, that's your choice. biatching and whining when someone else doesn't live by your standards, not so much.
 
2012-12-08 06:28:04 AM  
Does her fiance subscribe to this nonsense?
 
2012-12-08 06:36:04 AM  
images.hitfix.com

Brother and sister, you say? And you say you caught these c*cks*ckers stealing? No? Well maybe you ain't under the proper f*cking modus f*cking operannn--DI. Comport yourself unlike the motherf*cking heathen-rescuing c°¢ksuckers you was raised as and... What's that Lord? You want Cy to arrange... A beating? You sly, devil, Lord... You sly motherf*uckin', devil, you c°¢ksucker, you.
 
2012-12-08 06:39:59 AM  

sycraft: Mikey1969: When we first moved to Utah I got one of the Igloo style doghouses on Craigslist. We didn't have truck or van, so asked our neighbor across the street if she could drive us over to pick it up, she had no problem with it, but she could not drive with me in the car, she and my wife had to do the heavy lifting, while I stayed and watched her kids, all because the Mormons apparently can't keep it in their pants any time a opposite sex(but non-related) person is nearby. For God's sake, the woman had known me for about 9 months by that point and trusted me with her kids, but if we drove to get the doghouse, we were just going to HAVE to pull over and do the nasty somewhere in the 3 mile drive that we were looking at.

The more repressed the person, the more you see that kind of shiat and the Mormons are a pretty repressed lot. They worry that when their fellows are out of their sight, they'll act out, and often they are right.

The whole "don't bring only one Moron on a fishing trip or he'll drink all your beer" stereotype is based in reality. The repressed people do as they believe they should when they think they are being watched, but will try things when they think they aren't.




Here, the Baptists are the subject of that comment, and for good reason. A guy I used to work for would regularly do negotiating over lunch, one on one, mano a mano, etc. Except if he had to deal with women, then he would only meet in the office, in a conference area, not a room, so no closed doors, etc. The women sales reps would eat his lunch on deals, and he never understood it was his insecurities that distracted him.
 
2012-12-08 06:54:03 AM  
People who define themselves by what they don't do or don't like are real friggin interesting...
 
2012-12-08 07:20:26 AM  
That one kid is a disgrace to that Grinch shirt.
 
2012-12-08 07:25:02 AM  

Makh: Does she not know where to find tee shirts and pants? While I feel that clothing should allow you to be functional in the given situation you will encounter. I don't think dressing a certain way means you are dressing like a hooker. Especially since guys are allowed to go in public shirtless without being considered hookers.


did you think before you typed that sentence or are you serious? i realize there are tons of idiot women who think that its appropriate for them and their daughters (regardless of how young, innocent and naive they are) to dress inappropriately and they defend it vehemently. they scream how men are scum and are all rapists in waiting. this, while they are dressing in clothing that is designed to tittilate, provoke and attract a specific stimuli response.

hookers / prostitutes dress in a fashion meant to attract mens attention - especially men who are seeking willing sex for money class women. " I don't think dressing a certain way means you are dressing like a hooker" is the most ignorant statement i've read in a while. simply incredible.

it's a sad thing that so many women are so stupid that they choose to play the 'it's my body i can dress as i damn well please' card and pretend they are anything more than stupid biatches. we don't live in a safe world, we all know that. those who choose to toddle about provocatively may very well provoke a response that is unwanted. because there are rapists walking about freely. there are mentally ill walking about in public. there are young people with raging hormones who may make a bad life decision as young people so often do. there are ex-convicts who can't wait to pull your little pussy into an alley, stuff it in your arse then slice your throat. to dangle your meat in front of wolves and pretend you are not asking to be bitten is the height of attention whore coont with an attitude and most probably a mental health problem - or at the very least they're guilty of using piss poor judgement.

if you honestly don't know that whores/hookers/prostitutes dress in certain styles you can use the internet to give yourself an education.

are you really so stupid that you do not know there is acceptable attire for wear in a business / office environment, and there is a completely different group of clothing a female may don when her intent is to allure and seduce her lover? are you really that stupid?

hey, i love teen jailbait as much as the next guy. you want to dress your sweet ass daughter in skin tight clothes and crotch hugging sweats that read JUICY across the ass well you go ahead. enjoy the fact that all sorts of people like staring at your little girl and would like to give that dog a bone. and enjoy that your little girl is dressed that way because you, her parent, bought and paid for those clothes. you could have purchased tasteful nice clothing but you choose to let a child who really doesn't know better and can't wait to show off her blossoming curves to make decisions you the adult should be making.

parents that let their little girls dress like trash are further proof that not everyone should be allowed to reproduce. you are failures and losers, and if you had any intelligence you would be ashamed of yourselves. keep dressing your little sluts-in-training like future pole dancers and biker girl trash, i like staring at their little asses and thinking the most perverted thoughts. it's Moms like you that make it all good for guys that will think it's a birthday present while raping and killing your little girl. morans.
 
2012-12-08 07:33:41 AM  

Genevieve Marie: I feel really terrible for both of these kids. Their dad wrote a book called "Raising a G Rated Kid in an X Rated World". I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that he's an authoritarian douchebag who's doing his level best to raise one miniature version of himself, and one subserviant girl who will grow up to be an obedient wife to another version of himself.

All I can really hope for these kids is that they get enough distance to think through these ideas themselves eventually. If they willfully choose to be like this as adults... well, more power to them I guess. But I tend to think these households are not actually very happy ones.


THIS.
 
2012-12-08 07:49:41 AM  
CWSB

I had this issue not with a friend or her husband but her mother thought she and I were having an affair. It was a joke between her, her husband and myself for years.
 
2012-12-08 07:57:24 AM  

aagrajag: flahorsegirl: highwayrun: Rambino: flahorsegirl:
To be fair, my SO I gaurnetee would not like me hanging around another guy even if he was "just a friend". Guys tend to get jealous, and lets be frank here, most have less than platonic ideas in mind.

Also, this wasn't just hanging out -- going to a Christmas store is a very "couple-y" thing to do. Very high likelihood that clerks and bystanders think they are a couple when they are looking at bear-keepsake ornaments together.

We all know how crucial it is that clerks and bystanders approve of your activities.

That wasn't the point, its having respect for your SO. If I know it's going to get him pissed I don't do it. How happy would I be if I found out he was going Christmas decorating shopping with another woman?

/ atheist btw

I fail to see how any adult and mature SO would be reasonable to have a problem with this. My wife goes out for lunch with a male co-worker every Friday at a cafe they like. I don't really like hanging out at cafes, so I don't usually go.

Should I have a problem with it, like some drama-addicted teenager?


Seconded. A buddy of mine and I are (separately) married. When he deployed for 6 months, I took his wife to lunch almost every week. He was thankful, not angry. My wife was pleased, not jealous. Adults know that not every "boy-girl" outing is sexual, and adults can control themselves.
 
2012-12-08 08:10:10 AM  

GAT_00: Shostie: Okay. I'm game. What did she do?

This is going to be a little vague. I have no reason to believe either her or her fiancee read this site, but no reason to risk it.

There's an absurdly big Christmas store down here, and my decoration collection is pretty small. We were talking about decorating for Christmas (and I should note here this woman is Church of Christ and yes she's a good friend of mine) and I mentioned that I wanted to head over there later in the week and invited her along. That morning I get a text that basically says she can't go because it would be "disrespectful" to her fiance to be around another guy without apparently him around. I more or less said 'what in the fark are you talking about' and I got back that she wants to be some kind of perfect fiance and ever be alone with a guy in any situation.

Like I said, I swear this text exchange came from farking Victorian England. And I'm pissed off because I read between the lines that she's afraid I'd try something which I think is incredibly insulting. I don't particularly want to tell her off on those terms, but I can't think of how to possibly say tactfully that you're insane and I'm incredibly insulted.


You have thin skin and lack confidence. You're being disrespectful of a culture that is different than your own. It isn't about you at all. Moran.
 
2012-12-08 08:17:38 AM  
I think it's fine. Kids want to start a club and stand up for their values---don't see the problem. They aren't hurting anyone else and maybe they'll help someone who feels like having to look a certain way to be valued.

/naked pagan
 
2012-12-08 08:20:12 AM  

zenferret: flahorsegirl: Aqua*dope*, your saying your going out with family members. How happy would your wife be if you went out with female coworkers?

My wife wouldn't mind at all. But then, I'd never cheat on her, and she knows I'd never cheat on her.

I guess that's the part that totally eludes you. We're not all predisposed to sexing at every possible opportunity.


This.

One of my best friends is a married, male colleague. We car-pool to places together (alone!) and have even shopped together, once or twice. His wife, and my SO, know this and have no problem with it. There's this thing called "trust." Oh-- and a sense of humour!
 
2012-12-08 08:25:07 AM  

Somacandra: I think it's fine. Kids want to start a club and stand up for their values---don't see the problem. They aren't hurting anyone else and maybe they'll help someone who feels like having to look a certain way to be valued.

/naked pagan


Well, that's the thing... it's not really THEIR values that are being stood up for... it's the brainwashing they received from their nutjob parents they're defending.
 
2012-12-08 08:35:27 AM  
came for pics of high school girls dressing like hookers. Leaving disappointing.
 
2012-12-08 08:38:48 AM  
KarmicDisaster:
Approves!

[upload.wikimedia.org image 393x640]


To be fair, the text implies the "flirting" her club opposed was basically street-corner sexual harrassment; guys commenting on and propositioning women from their cars. Pretty common at the time.
 
2012-12-08 08:39:58 AM  
Have you ever noticed that all the chicks who are against abortion are ones you wouldn't want to FARK in the first place ?
 
2012-12-08 08:40:51 AM  
There is a big difference between sexy and trashy. It is quite possible to dress in a classy way that can pass muster in a professional atmosphere or a secondary school setting yet still be incredibly sexy. And let's face it, teen girls have sexual urges and the way they dress is one way they spotlight it (augh can't find the right word, must have coffee!)

There's nothing wrong with moderately short skirts or some cleavage or bare shoulders. But some folks need to learn the difference between classy and trashy.
 
2012-12-08 08:41:04 AM  
KrispyKritter:
it's a sad thing that so many women are so stupid that they choose to play the 'it's my body i can dress as i damn well please' card and pretend they are anything more than stupid biatches.

2/10, good trolling != sounding like a bitter misogynist creep.
 
2012-12-08 08:59:08 AM  

trekkiecougar: There is a big difference between sexy and trashy. It is quite possible to dress in a classy way that can pass muster in a professional atmosphere or a secondary school setting yet still be incredibly sexy. And let's face it, teen girls have sexual urges and the way they dress is one way they spotlight it (augh can't find the right word, must have coffee!)

There's nothing wrong with moderately short skirts or some cleavage or bare shoulders. But some folks need to learn the difference between classy and trashy.


Bare shoulders are usually fine, as long as the breast are completely covered. I think cleavage is generally pretty inappropriate, shouldn't be showing more than a hint. Of course, this kind of thing depends on the person. Smaller chested women can get away with long/plunging V's without showing much. Chestier gals cannot. As for short skirts, it also depends. Smaller/narrower hipped gals are usually okay if they are 2 inches above the knee. Us bigger/curvier gals usually do better if we are at least hitting the knee. Personally, my preference is just below the knee, but some of my dresses hit right at the knee.
 
2012-12-08 09:02:43 AM  

GAT_00: Shostie: Okay. I'm game. What did she do?

This is going to be a little vague. I have no reason to believe either her or her fiancee read this site, but no reason to risk it.

There's an absurdly big Christmas store down here, and my decoration collection is pretty small. We were talking about decorating for Christmas (and I should note here this woman is Church of Christ and yes she's a good friend of mine) and I mentioned that I wanted to head over there later in the week and invited her along. That morning I get a text that basically says she can't go because it would be "disrespectful" to her fiance to be around another guy without apparently him around. I more or less said 'what in the fark are you talking about' and I got back that she wants to be some kind of perfect fiance and ever be alone with a guy in any situation.

Like I said, I swear this text exchange came from farking Victorian England. And I'm pissed off because I read between the lines that she's afraid I'd try something which I think is incredibly insulting. I don't particularly want to tell her off on those terms, but I can't think of how to possibly say tactfully that you're insane and I'm incredibly insulted.


Church of Christ. Basically exact same thing happened to my best friend. Let it go man, she's gone,
 
2012-12-08 09:02:52 AM  
Those two must be a real blast at parties.
 
2012-12-08 09:06:47 AM  
Why is everyone so threatened by this? It's just some stupid kid doing a stupid kid thing. Why so much outrage?
 
2012-12-08 09:10:19 AM  
My neighbor's wife's niece is Very Religious, But he always points out to me how she has huge breasts.
I said to him, "If she lost enough weight to have a flat tummy, they wouldn't be so big. Plus she's saving herself for a born again man who wants lots of babies. She lives here, in Vermont, where that is unlikely to happen. So she's going to keep dressing conservative (Like a lesbian) until some horny coworkers invite her to a "Tupperware" party and she wins the door prize of a modest personal vibrator, which will remain, unboxed, in a closet for years until she had a wine cooler some lonely Valentine's night and discovers tentatively with one, then two fingers that her hymen has dissolved out of boredom in the shower. It will last about a week until it is destroyed. Then, she's going to do a hit-and-run on an adult store and buy two, heavy duty black beauties, and the sales girl will throw in a magic bullet, and we'll never see her again".
He goes, "you're sick"
I said, "Ypu're the one that brought up her tits."
 
2012-12-08 09:13:06 AM  

vudukungfu: ypu're


I took a Pu'rity Test once.
 
2012-12-08 09:15:10 AM  

JuggleGeek: If that's what you want to do, that's your choice. biatching and whining when someone else doesn't live by your standards, not so much.


This works both ways, of course.
 
2012-12-08 09:21:15 AM  

WhippingBoy: Why is everyone so threatened by this? It's just some stupid kid doing a stupid kid thing. Why so much outrage?


Because the stupid kids grow up to become stupid adults at which point they begin trying to legislate their psycho-sexual problems upon us non-crazies. They are never content to be depressed, joyless people alone.
 
2012-12-08 09:25:35 AM  

aagrajag: They are never content to be depressed, joyless people alone.


Whenever married friends try to fix me up, I play them a recording of them fighting.
Shuts them up every time.
 
2012-12-08 09:28:41 AM  
Getting back on topic here for a second: don't schools enforce dress codes any more?
 
2012-12-08 09:29:18 AM  

BarkingUnicorn: Well, at least she isn't hot.


Win.
 
2012-12-08 09:33:18 AM  

ukexpat: Getting back on topic here for a second: don't schools enforce dress codes any more?


OH HELLS no. You ain't the boss of me. Eben mah babby daddy ain't the boss of me. Whycome you be telling me I cain't dress like dat? Who had you to tell me I cain't do dat?
 
2012-12-08 09:34:21 AM  

vudukungfu: aagrajag: They are never content to be depressed, joyless people alone.

Whenever married friends try to fix me up, I play them a recording of them fighting.
Shuts them up every time.


Creepy. What do they do when you play them a video of them farking?
 
2012-12-08 09:35:07 AM  

Elzar: Don't drink, don't smoke, what do you do?


www.coppergifts.com
NORFOLK!
 
2012-12-08 09:36:47 AM  
I'm against modesty. This is far better.

3.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-12-08 09:39:08 AM  
cdn.crushable.com

Approves
 
2012-12-08 09:39:45 AM  

The Irresponsible Captain: I'm against modesty. This is far better.

[3.bp.blogspot.com image 800x599]


Be careful with what you wish for.

For example, go to the shopping mall this weekend. Look at women's asses. Now imagine *ALL* of them wearing those same pants.

Still seem like a good idea?
 
2012-12-08 09:45:38 AM  

WhippingBoy: Creepy. What do they do when you play them a video of them farking?


It's usually OK until he starts in about his back hurting.
 
2012-12-08 09:56:15 AM  
Someone needs to go streaking past a meeting of that club.
 
2012-12-08 10:01:22 AM  

I May Be Crazy But...: Someone needs to go streaking past a meeting of that club.


Someone needs to go to their meeting and dose their caffeine-free, store-brand, orange-flavoured beverage with some ecstacy, and let the resulting party take care of the rest.
 
2012-12-08 10:03:16 AM  

Aquapope: flahorsegirl: To be fair, my SO I gaurnetee would not like me hanging around another guy even if he was "just a friend". Guys tend to get jealous, and lets be frank here, most have less than platonic ideas in mind.

Maybe that's mostly true, but not always. I have female friends (and yes, I'd like to nail them) and she has male friend I think she might like to nail. But we don't. She's completely free to nail those guys and I'm free to nail those ladies, but that would probably dissolve our marriage (that's the thing about monogamy). That's about it. I don't have to watch her and she doesn't have to watch me to maintain monogamy. Plus, she comes home to me where we can watch old VCR tapes of Python, make Xmas cookies and stick tape on cats. Beat that!


Too reasonable. We am confused.
 
2012-12-08 10:04:11 AM  
This person should be tried for heresy. The only teenagers that should be covering up are the fatties.
 
2012-12-08 10:17:03 AM  
extras.mnginteractive.com

For a girl who professes modesty she sure doesn't have a problem laying across a table to display her body for the camera.
 
2012-12-08 10:33:31 AM  

Genevieve Marie: I feel really terrible for both of these kids. Their dad wrote a book called "Raising a G Rated Kid in an X Rated World". I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that he's an authoritarian douchebag who's doing his level best to raise one miniature version of himself, and one subserviant girl who will grow up to be an obedient wife to another version of himself.

All I can really hope for these kids is that they get enough distance to think through these ideas themselves eventually. If they willfully choose to be like this as adults... well, more power to them I guess. But I tend to think these households are not actually very happy ones.


i.imgur.com
 
2012-12-08 10:33:46 AM  

Arthur Jumbles: [extras.mnginteractive.com image 650x485]

For a girl who professes modesty she sure doesn't have a problem laying across a table to display her body for the camera.


As a cartoonist, I see a lot of pointy chins there.
 
2012-12-08 10:34:00 AM  

StashMonster:
Oh god I hate people who pull that shiat.. I had that once with a guy I know, whose girlfriend still thinks that I was "after" him all because I invited him over when my then-boyfriend tried to kill himself (they are both schizophrenic and my boyfriend needed support). That and sending a text to everyone in my phone book one night when I was high (I doubt it was even intelligible). Wow. Clearly I am a hussy who was out to get her man. Nobody else had a problem, but this guy biatched at me about it at a party months later ... after having originally curtly told me "they never go anywhere alone" at the time! I apologised and explained. That was over 10 years ago, but she is STILL putting it around as fact that I tried to "steal her man".

Some people really make my blood boil ...


MURDER may be the only answer.
 
2012-12-08 10:34:04 AM  
I feel sorry for the guy who marries that twitch. She and her brother probably fap together when mommy and daddy aren't around.
 
2012-12-08 10:36:19 AM  

WhippingBoy: JuggleGeek: If that's what you want to do, that's your choice. biatching and whining when someone else doesn't live by your standards, not so much.

This works both ways, of course.


I'm not the one telling other people how they have to dress, asshole.
 
2012-12-08 10:49:30 AM  
It's a goddamn club. Join it or don't, it's your choice. I don't see the problem, other than the death threats and vandalism.
 
2012-12-08 10:56:54 AM  
www.myconfinedspace.com
This little gem started a shiatstorm on MyConfinedSpace.

/Just doing my part.
 
2012-12-08 11:20:35 AM  

Lorelle: She said she views immodest dress as showing cleavage, showing one's midriff or one's shoulders. Immodesty also includes shorts, dresses, pants and skirts that are too short or tight

Temperatures are mostly in the 90s and low 100s in South Pasadena in September and sometimes part of October...I doubt that she'll convince most girls to stop wearing shorts and tank tops during the first few weeks of the school year.


While I see your point having shopped recently for a teenage girl I can see hers as well. It was really hard to find shorts and tops that weren't hooker attire. I mean straight up gold lame' shorts with plenty of ass cheek exposed. And this was in a fairly conservative small town in Oregon ffs. The tops were no better.

If a teenage girl wants to be able to dress like a normal person she has to shop in the boys section.
 
2012-12-08 11:27:28 AM  

Arthur Jumbles: For a girl who professes modesty she sure doesn't have a problem laying across a table to display her body for the camera.


But.... isn't that the point? She can still be sexy without wearing revealing clothes that make her uncomfortable. There is tremendous peer pressure for young girls to dress like hookers. Go look at the teen girl clothing section of any store. I was pretty shocked when I saw it.
 
2012-12-08 11:30:24 AM  

Mikey1969: She said she views immodest dress as showing cleavage,

OK, fair enough...

showing one's midriff

Meh, doesn't bother me, but some people seem to have issues with it, so whatever...

or one's shoulders.

Oh, FFS, this just got stupid. It's like living here in Utah, people around here are so repressed that you can hear their assholes squeaking hen they walk. I can't even walk around downtown without noise canceling headphones on, or my eye start to spin and my farking head starts to throb. Once again, someone takes an idea you might be able to respect and turns the farking knob that controls how far they take it all the way up to 11.

I mean seriously, "shoulders"? You have got to be kidding me. Hell, I can even respect the brother's "No Cussing Club", but this biatch just drifted into Quaker territory, if the Mormons get wind of this, they'll try to one up her, and my kids will have to attend school in a hazmat suit wrapped in .5 mil black opaque contractor's plastic, and only their eyes will be visible.


Umm. I don't think you know much about Quakers.
 
2012-12-08 11:32:14 AM  

RatMaster999: No, but cosplayers are completely unsexy.

[i182.photobucket.com image 700x1016]

Balderdash!


Working in engineering totally destroys steampunk cosplay for me.

For example, what are the 2 pneumatic cylinders on her arms supposed to do, and where does she keep the compressor? Even worse, how are you powering that compressor? Also, affixing them with an o-ring about the body of the cylinder just doesn't seem right, it'd probably be better to attach at both cylinder ends or else it'll just come loose with repeated cycles.

Also nice round boobies yeah, but my eyes keep going back to the cylinders cos they're just so wrong. 

/Also you'd need overtravel and undertravel limit switches and I don't see those there oh cripes make the engineering thoughts stop
//And where's the relay panel to run all this my god must kill self now
 
2012-12-08 11:54:47 AM  
a.abcnews.com

Personally I think she's not trying very hard to be modest, at least not in this photo. She still stirs unwanted sinful thoughts with her soft chubby arms and long flowing hair. And the bright red lipstick on thick, youthful lips? It's like she's been sent by Satan!

True modesty would mean covering herself down to the wrists. And get that lascivious hair in order too.
 
2012-12-08 12:16:47 PM  

Elandriel: GAT_00: Shostie: Okay. I'm game. What did she do?

This is going to be a little vague. I have no reason to believe either her or her fiancee read this site, but no reason to risk it.

There's an absurdly big Christmas store down here, and my decoration collection is pretty small. We were talking about decorating for Christmas (and I should note here this woman is Church of Christ and yes she's a good friend of mine) and I mentioned that I wanted to head over there later in the week and invited her along. That morning I get a text that basically says she can't go because it would be "disrespectful" to her fiance to be around another guy without apparently him around. I more or less said 'what in the fark are you talking about' and I got back that she wants to be some kind of perfect fiance and ever be alone with a guy in any situation.

Like I said, I swear this text exchange came from farking Victorian England. And I'm pissed off because I read between the lines that she's afraid I'd try something which I think is incredibly insulting. I don't particularly want to tell her off on those terms, but I can't think of how to possibly say tactfully that you're insane and I'm incredibly insulted.

Try going with something along the lines of "you're insane and I'm incredibly insulted".

GAT_00: and yes she's a good friend of mine

Oh. I can't help but wonder if it's not you she's worried about as much as herself. Foisting responsibility on a partner is a cheap and convenient way to shift blame, too?

/drinking tonight not trying to cross any lines, guy


Yeah, she likes him, and the fiance might even have a sense of it.
 
2012-12-08 12:19:16 PM  

GAT_00: Shostie: Okay. I'm game. What did she do?

This is going to be a little vague. I have no reason to believe either her or her fiancee read this site, but no reason to risk it.

There's an absurdly big Christmas store down here, and my decoration collection is pretty small. We were talking about decorating for Christmas (and I should note here this woman is Church of Christ and yes she's a good friend of mine) and I mentioned that I wanted to head over there later in the week and invited her along. That morning I get a text that basically says she can't go because it would be "disrespectful" to her fiance to be around another guy without apparently him around. I more or less said 'what in the fark are you talking about' and I got back that she wants to be some kind of perfect fiance and ever be alone with a guy in any situation.

Like I said, I swear this text exchange came from farking Victorian England. And I'm pissed off because I read between the lines that she's afraid I'd try something which I think is incredibly insulting. I don't particularly want to tell her off on those terms, but I can't think of how to possibly say tactfully that you're insane and I'm incredibly insulted.


GAT_00 stole my girlfriend by seducing her at a Christmas store.
 
2012-12-08 12:20:59 PM  

GAT_00: sforce: I think it's highly unlikely that he calls him GAT_00

Nonsense, my life is totally tied up in my Internet personality. I changed my name legally and everything.

fusillade762: Cue the tangled Christmas lights guy ;)

[i575.photobucket.com image 500x680]

Marcintosh: "Good-bye" is a nice start

Not what I want to do.


Well then you're on your own. I'm out of suggestions - you enabler you 8-D
 
2012-12-08 12:22:41 PM  

Suckmaster Burstingfoam: [a.abcnews.com image 640x360]

Personally I think she's not trying very hard to be modest, at least not in this photo. She still stirs unwanted sinful thoughts with her soft chubby arms and long flowing hair. And the bright red lipstick on thick, youthful lips? It's like she's been sent by Satan!

True modesty would mean covering herself down to the wrists. And get that lascivious hair in order too.


Patience, my friend.
Her spring break facebook pics are but a few years away.
 
2012-12-08 12:24:05 PM  

rga184: GAT_00: Shostie: Okay. I'm game. What did she do?

This is going to be a little vague. I have no reason to believe either her or her fiancee read this site, but no reason to risk it.

There's an absurdly big Christmas store down here, and my decoration collection is pretty small. We were talking about decorating for Christmas (and I should note here this woman is Church of Christ and yes she's a good friend of mine) and I mentioned that I wanted to head over there later in the week and invited her along. That morning I get a text that basically says she can't go because it would be "disrespectful" to her fiance to be around another guy without apparently him around. I more or less said 'what in the fark are you talking about' and I got back that she wants to be some kind of perfect fiance and ever be alone with a guy in any situation.

Like I said, I swear this text exchange came from farking Victorian England. And I'm pissed off because I read between the lines that she's afraid I'd try something which I think is incredibly insulting. I don't particularly want to tell her off on those terms, but I can't think of how to possibly say tactfully that you're insane and I'm incredibly insulted.

GAT_00 stole my girlfriend by seducing her at a Christmas store.


Not only that, but even Santa Claus was begging to be farked in the ass.
 
2012-12-08 12:31:47 PM  

RanDomino: lirt


Yeah, especially since she is winking right at me in that picture.
 
2012-12-08 12:31:47 PM  

Fibro: This isn't unusual. Why are you posting it here like it is a mind-blowing situation? They are engaged to be married and she doesn't want to create waves in her relationship. In *MOST* cases going out 1-1 with another man has high potential to cause issues. You even said you haven't met the guy which means his imagination could run wild about who you are. Even outside of that, however, you are a guy and more than likely would hook up with this girl given the chance.

Why not propose that she bring her fiance along? It should be a non-issue if you don't have shady motives.


That's what I was thinking. If GAT_00 wants to keep this woman as a friend and he only sees her as a friend, offer to meet the fiance to put everyone at ease.
 
2012-12-08 12:32:34 PM  

Bedstead Polisher: Fibro: This isn't unusual. Why are you posting it here like it is a mind-blowing situation? They are engaged to be married and she doesn't want to create waves in her relationship. In *MOST* cases going out 1-1 with another man has high potential to cause issues. You even said you haven't met the guy which means his imagination could run wild about who you are. Even outside of that, however, you are a guy and more than likely would hook up with this girl given the chance.

Why not propose that she bring her fiance along? It should be a non-issue if you don't have shady motives.

That's what I was thinking. If GAT_00 wants to keep this woman as a friend and he only sees her as a friend, offer to meet the fiance to put everyone at ease.


And then run off with the Fiance just to fark with everyone's heads.
 
2012-12-08 12:34:32 PM  
I have the utmost respect for people who try to live a better life for themselves, especially in the face of ridicule.
 
2012-12-08 12:42:58 PM  
Any bets that at least one of those girls will be knocked up before graduation?
 
2012-12-08 12:47:47 PM  

stuffy: Any bets that at least one of those girls will be knocked up before graduation?


So what? What would that prove? That they're human?
 
2012-12-08 12:56:38 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: Well, at least she isn't hot.


That was going to be a given.
 
2012-12-08 12:58:54 PM  

GAT_00: Shostie: Okay. I'm game. What did she do?

This is going to be a little vague. I have no reason to believe either her or her fiancee read this site, but no reason to risk it.

There's an absurdly big Christmas store down here, and my decoration collection is pretty small. We were talking about decorating for Christmas (and I should note here this woman is Church of Christ and yes she's a good friend of mine) and I mentioned that I wanted to head over there later in the week and invited her along. That morning I get a text that basically says she can't go because it would be "disrespectful" to her fiance to be around another guy without apparently him around. I more or less said 'what in the fark are you talking about' and I got back that she wants to be some kind of perfect fiance and ever be alone with a guy in any situation.

Like I said, I swear this text exchange came from farking Victorian England. And I'm pissed off because I read between the lines that she's afraid I'd try something which I think is incredibly insulting. I don't particularly want to tell her off on those terms, but I can't think of how to possibly say tactfully that you're insane and I'm incredibly insulted.


OK, face it bro- you're totally into her. It just oozes out of what you wrote just now. I know it's killing you that she's engaged to another man. My advice: just tell her how you feel. It sounds like you're going to lose her anyway, so what's the worst that could happen? You don't get invited to a wedding that would gnaw at your heart like a cancer? Who knows, maybe she's uncertain about the fiance and doesn't want her subconscious feelings for you to burble up to the surface and cause more confusion.

It's no shame, dude. We've all been there. Ninety nine times out of a hundred, it's hopeless. But that's no excuse to hide your feelings. Now go out there and put your heart on the line!

/Also, please post an update with every amusing detail about how you get shot down.
 
2012-12-08 01:11:27 PM  
The prudent, modest females of any age are now the rebellious youth. The remake of flash dance will have young men and women, not wanting to dance, wear reasonable clothing and show respect for others. You're right, that is pretty scary!
 
2012-12-08 01:12:50 PM  
I generally dress modestly for two reasons: I'm super pale and when I get stressed, hungry, etc my chest gets a pink rash, which I'd rather not draw attention to; the other reason being I am very aware of when I am showing cleavage and since it's not a daily thing, I feel like I'm showing too much.

One of my coworkers recently pointed out that I never wear anything low cut. I just shrugged. I do wear form fitting things, and I have no problem with nudity when the situation calls for it.

There's nothing wrong with dressing modestly, but making a club about it is unnecessary. The way I dress makes me feel comfortable, and that's works for me.
 
2012-12-08 01:16:48 PM  
I've been to parties where the most sexy woman was also the most covered. Sexy is being able to work with what you got and the attitude you carry. Frankly, I actually like having some things left to the imagination. That said...

I'm not a big fan of modesty movements. They're nothing more than woman body hate movements or an attempt to going back to blaming the victim.

I've never seen a modesty movement for men. How about one where men cover their moobs in the summer?
 
2012-12-08 01:19:52 PM  

Arthur Jumbles: [extras.mnginteractive.com image 650x485]

For a girl who professes modesty she sure doesn't have a problem laying across a table to display her body for the camera.


She's wearing the magic Mormon underwear.
 
2012-12-08 02:19:59 PM  

tillerman35: Who knows, maybe she's uncertain about the fiance and doesn't want her subconscious feelings for you to burble up to the surface and cause more confusion.

It's no shame, dude. We've all been there. Ninety nine times out of a hundred, it's hopeless. But that's no excuse to hide your feelings. Now go out there and put your heart on the line!

/Also, please post an update with every amusing detail about how you get shot ...


This. Been there. Could be she really likes you a lot and feels guilty about her feelings for you. 

Tough crap, she's already made the mistake of making a commitment to marry the other guy, so you may as well just walk away, cos if you try to fix things to your satisfaction, no matter what happens it won't end well.

Better to just tell her you're secretly gay. Or you were born without man parts. No shame in doing either of those.
 
2012-12-08 02:38:13 PM  
I wish there was a place for me to go in high school where I didn't have to see exposed midriff and baggy pants.
 
2012-12-08 02:59:20 PM  
What's wrong with 15 year olds dressing like sluts?
 
2012-12-08 03:02:13 PM  

Genevieve Marie: I feel really terrible for both of these kids. Their dad wrote a book called "Raising a G Rated Kid in an X Rated World". I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that he's an authoritarian douchebag who's doing his level best to raise one miniature version of himself, and one subserviant girl who will grow up to be an obedient wife to another version of himself.

All I can really hope for these kids is that they get enough distance to think through these ideas themselves eventually. If they willfully choose to be like this as adults... well, more power to them I guess. But I tend to think these households are not actually very happy ones.


Honestly, I'm not sure I wouldn't have started this club myself as a kid, and I'm far from a prude. Kids dress like idiots. She wants to address that...good on her.

/Go spend a few weeks hanging out at a high school and tell me YOU wouldn't want to start one.
//Although, yes, there is the possibility of this, and I'd like to think the teachers are keeping an eye out for it.
 
2012-12-08 03:02:40 PM  
Genevieve Marie:

I feel really terrible for both of these kids. Their dad wrote a book called "Raising a G Rated Kid in an X Rated World". I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that he's an authoritarian douchebag who's doing his level best to raise one miniature version of himself, and one subserviant girl who will grow up to be an obedient wife to another version of himself.

She ought to rebel against her upbringing and grow up to be an obedient wife to someone totally unlike her dad. Like me, for example.

"Orgy Room: 13-16 ONLY. No cameras allowed."
 
2012-12-08 03:24:20 PM  
Came here looking for a tasty jailbait thread. Leaving disappointed...
 
2012-12-08 03:59:58 PM  
I feel sorry for young girls and women these days. Just look at their pop singers. All of them, save Adele, seem to be required to wear g-strings and pasties. That strikes me as really weird, because teen girls aren't going to flock to see a performer because she's mostly naked (none of the crowd photos I see show males of any kind) The clothes for younger women are really drafty. I've had to start ordering t-shirts from a company that makes workwear for men (I forget the name, but they have a joke about no butt-crack). Jeans are too low or too "mom". There's a ton of pressure to look like a whore and then when they do look like a whore, they're slut shamed.

Then, we get on the internet, and suffer a completely deranged tall poppies syndrome, where you do anything that attracts attention and you get death threats.

If I want to make a prediction, these kids are going to live their lives not giving a tinker's cuss about what people here on fark think of them and good on them. It's nice they're offering an option for kids who want to get away from a relentless cultural barrage that is forcing us to descend on the class ladder faster than the economy is carrying us.
 
2012-12-08 04:46:51 PM  

StashMonster: GAT_00: Shostie:

Oh god I hate people who pull that shiat.. I had that once with a guy I know, whose girlfriend still thinks that I was "after" him all because I invited him over when my then-boyfriend tried to kill himself (they are both schizophrenic and my boyfriend needed support). That and sending a text to everyone in my phone book one night when I was high (I doubt it was even intelligible). Wow. Clearly I am a hussy who was out to get her man. Nobody else had a problem, but this guy biatched at me about it at a party months later ... after having originally curtly told me "they never go anywhere alone" at the time! I apologised and explained. That was over 10 years ago, but she is STILL putting it around as fact that I tried to "steal her man".


I missed this last night, but I feel like I stumbled into a similar situation with someone I met at school this semester (we're both adult students who are married and live off campus). She lives nearby and we're always chatting before class and whatnot, but when I asked to borrow a textbook last week and picked it up at her house, it was like trying to pass the guards in Monty Python and the Holy Grail. I was hoping for a tour since I'd never seen the house before, but her husband came down on the stairs and we shook hands, and after that there was two seconds of awkward silence and then I said 'ok, well thanks and I'll see you in class tomorrow'. She seemed relieved I was leaving.

I get the feeling that earlier, when we were discussing shows like Doctor Who and The Walking Dead, that I shouldn't have said 'sounds like I'd get along with him pretty well too'. I've invited them for a hike once, and asked if they'd like to come over sometime, but I doubt it's ever going to happen. So weird.
 
2012-12-08 06:27:15 PM  
Without reading the article (which is the usual way Farkers do this), I can say that these two shoo-ins for Prom Queen and King must be going to school in a genteel southern suburb heavy in evangelicals. Because if they weren't, Subby would be reporting their untimely demise.
 
2012-12-08 06:36:03 PM  
I just looked at the article. The club appears to consist of:

* three fat girls
* two cute gay boys
* her little brother
* the class shiat-disturber

In other words, she's founded the school's first Gay, Lesbian, Bi, Transgender, Transexual, Asexual, and Smart Ass shiat-Disturber who is Probably also Gay or Bi Club.

Every school has one of those. It is usually called the Unpopular Table.

I think there may be another unpopular girl hidden behind the first fat girl.

Her little brother appears doomed to become a male prostitute and then a "smoothie". But that might just be my imagination. He could easily become a Bear or a Twinkie.
 
2012-12-08 06:53:57 PM  

flahorsegirl:

No. I think that in reality it's pretty unlikely that a guy, unless they bat for the other team is seriously going to want to go Christmas shopping with a female friend. Without nookie after. Get real.


Some of us, even some of us drooling perverts, like having female friends. With nothing lustful attached. Even female friends most guys stop dead in their tracks to gawp at. Where else do you go for open conversation and an honest opinion?

Other men compete. Dates won't be themselves. SOs turn everything into an argument, a guilt trip or a scene. Lesbians keep insisting you really want to fark them. Hell with it. Sometimes I feel like hiring an escort just to go shopping with.
 
2012-12-08 07:21:00 PM  

PsiChick: Genevieve Marie: I feel really terrible for both of these kids. Their dad wrote a book called "Raising a G Rated Kid in an X Rated World". I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that he's an authoritarian douchebag who's doing his level best to raise one miniature version of himself, and one subserviant girl who will grow up to be an obedient wife to another version of himself.

All I can really hope for these kids is that they get enough distance to think through these ideas themselves eventually. If they willfully choose to be like this as adults... well, more power to them I guess. But I tend to think these households are not actually very happy ones.

Honestly, I'm not sure I wouldn't have started this club myself as a kid, and I'm far from a prude. Kids dress like idiots. She wants to address that...good on her.

/Go spend a few weeks hanging out at a high school and tell me YOU wouldn't want to start one.
//Although, yes, there is the possibility of this, and I'd like to think the teachers are keeping an eye out for it.


I'm sorry, but it's not ok to police what other people wear. You can dislike it. You can think it's trashy- and you can think it privately. But telling other women that they're dressed immodestly is slut-shaming and rude and it plays into some really ugly cultural ideas about women's bodies. 

 
 
2012-12-08 07:22:19 PM  
Why is everyone so threatened by this?
 
2012-12-08 07:40:28 PM  

WhippingBoy: Why is everyone so threatened by this?


a.abcnews.com

Luke 6:42 How can you say to your brother, 'Brother, let me take the speck out of your eye,' when you yourself fail to see the plank in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye.

People should be free to dress how they wish without some little hypocrite saying they are dressing like a slut. I don't see the other girls saying she's a whore for wearing lip gloss and a pearl necklace.
 
2012-12-08 07:42:31 PM  

Genevieve Marie: I'm sorry, but it's not ok to police what other people wear. You can dislike it. You can think it's trashy- and you can think it privately. But telling other women that they're dressed immodestly is slut-shaming and rude and it plays into some really ugly cultural ideas about women's bodies.


Is it policing for someone in the same social category telling the social category 'hey, we should\shouldn't be doing X'? Yes, this obviously has connotations of things that are huge issues for our society, but at the same time, I'm not seeing it entirely as slut-shaming. For example, if I were to say "Hey, Catholics, it's time to let women be bishops", in more than just a Fark thread, that would not be okay--I'm Pagan, not Catholic, and I don't get a say in what they do. But a Catholic does have the right to say that.

And you have to remember there's a difference between dressing the way you want and walking around as a thirteen-year-old with your breasts spilling out of your top because puberty has completely impaired your fashion sense. Even as a Pagan who is very far from a prude, I don't consider that free expression, just stupidity.
 
2012-12-08 07:47:24 PM  

Arthur Jumbles: WhippingBoy: Why is everyone so threatened by this?

[a.abcnews.com image 640x360]

Luke 6:42 How can you say to your brother, 'Brother, let me take the speck out of your eye,' when you yourself fail to see the plank in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the plank out of your eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother's eye.

People should be free to dress how they wish without some little hypocrite saying they are dressing like a slut. I don't see the other girls saying she's a whore for wearing lip gloss and a pearl necklace.


People should be free to express their opinions without sending overly sensitive idiots into histrionics every time they get "offended".
 
2012-12-08 08:04:57 PM  

Lorelle: She said she views immodest dress as showing cleavage, showing one's midriff or one's shoulders. Immodesty also includes shorts, dresses, pants and skirts that are too short or tight

Temperatures are mostly in the 90s and low 100s in South Pasadena in September and sometimes part of October...I doubt that she'll convince most girls to stop wearing shorts and tank tops during the first few weeks of the school year.


There's a huge difference between wearing shorts and tank tops, and "I can see your uterus and areolas".

Good for this girl. I completely support her. Nakedness and such is for adults of consenting age, not underage jailbait. Parents shouldn't be letting their kids walk out of the house looking like they're selling themselves.

I can't even shop in most stores anymore, and I'm not a prude. Everything is see through or short enough to be a scarf. Moms shouldn't be buying this shiat for their kids. A blue v-neck and jeans never go out of style (it's basically what I live in day to day and I look great, though I am almost 30)
 
2012-12-08 08:13:44 PM  

Genevieve Marie: PsiChick: Genevieve Marie: I feel really terrible for both of these kids. Their dad wrote a book called "Raising a G Rated Kid in an X Rated World". I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that he's an authoritarian douchebag who's doing his level best to raise one miniature version of himself, and one subserviant girl who will grow up to be an obedient wife to another version of himself.

All I can really hope for these kids is that they get enough distance to think through these ideas themselves eventually. If they willfully choose to be like this as adults... well, more power to them I guess. But I tend to think these households are not actually very happy ones.

Honestly, I'm not sure I wouldn't have started this club myself as a kid, and I'm far from a prude. Kids dress like idiots. She wants to address that...good on her.

/Go spend a few weeks hanging out at a high school and tell me YOU wouldn't want to start one.
//Although, yes, there is the possibility of this, and I'd like to think the teachers are keeping an eye out for it.

I'm sorry, but it's not ok to police what other people wear. You can dislike it. You can think it's trashy- and you can think it privately. But telling other women that they're dressed immodestly is slut-shaming and rude and it plays into some really ugly cultural ideas about women's bodies. 

 


I think they're doing it themselves. I blame parents. Slut shaming, you called it? Honestly what some 14 year olds wear, I wouldn't be caught dead in if I worked at a strip club. There's zero reason for a fifteen year old to have stiletto heels or mesh shirts.

I don't think it's so much policing what other girls wear, as trying to make them aware that they're sending a message, and it's not a good one. I'm not saying dressing slutty has any relation to rape or anything ridiculous like that. But when a twelve year old is wearing a shirt that says "I love cock", boys will look at her differently because that's what boys do.

I'm horrified at what I see walking around these days. These girls may not see it, and as previously stated, I blame the parents. But there's a line, and so many high schoolers these days are so far over the line it's not funny.
 
2012-12-08 08:14:03 PM  

PsiChick: Genevieve Marie: I'm sorry, but it's not ok to police what other people wear. You can dislike it. You can think it's trashy- and you can think it privately. But telling other women that they're dressed immodestly is slut-shaming and rude and it plays into some really ugly cultural ideas about women's bodies.

Is it policing for someone in the same social category telling the social category 'hey, we should\shouldn't be doing X'? Yes, this obviously has connotations of things that are huge issues for our society, but at the same time, I'm not seeing it entirely as slut-shaming. For example, if I were to say "Hey, Catholics, it's time to let women be bishops", in more than just a Fark thread, that would not be okay--I'm Pagan, not Catholic, and I don't get a say in what they do. But a Catholic does have the right to say that.

And you have to remember there's a difference between dressing the way you want and walking around as a thirteen-year-old with your breasts spilling out of your top because puberty has completely impaired your fashion sense. Even as a Pagan who is very far from a prude, I don't consider that free expression, just stupidity.


And you're free to think it is stupid, but honestly- you probably remember as well as I do how incredibly difficult it is to be a teenage girl and navigate completely new territory. Almost overnight, girls go from being treated like children to being treated as sexually desirable, and it happens at the same time they get curious about sex. We live in a world that has a pretty farked up attitude towards female sexuality, and it's most confusing for young women- and there are a whole lot of conflicting messages coming at you that it takes time to sort through.

So yea, I expect teenage girls to wear tasteless clothing. I also think that in a lot of ways, getting through that incredibly awkward time is something everyone has to do, and that judgey messaging doesn't help.

"Modesty" movements all seem to have an undercurrent of sex shaming and control to them and it creeps me out.

Anyway. You should read "The Purity Myth". It's not a perfect book, but it's a decent look at why this stuff tends to hurt more than it helps.

 
 
2012-12-08 08:24:47 PM  

Genevieve Marie: And you're free to think it is stupid, but honestly- you probably remember as well as I do how incredibly difficult it is to be a teenage girl and navigate completely new territory. Almost overnight, girls go from being treated like children to being treated as sexually desirable, and it happens at the same time they get curious about sex. We live in a world that has a pretty farked up attitude towards female sexuality, and it's most confusing for young women- and there are a whole lot of conflicting messages coming at you that it takes time to sort through.

So yea, I expect teenage girls to wear tasteless clothing. I also think that in a lot of ways, getting through that incredibly awkward time is something everyone has to do, and that judgey messaging doesn't help.

"Modesty" movements all seem to have an undercurrent of sex shaming and control to them and it creeps me out.

Anyway. You should read "The Purity Myth". It's not a perfect book, but it's a decent look at why this stuff tends to hurt more than it helps.


I'm not arguing that pushing modesty and that purity crap does anything BUT cause problems. But I'm arguing that some of it is negated because of the person making this argument, and the reasons she's making it. It obviously has hugely Christian undertones, but at the end of the day in this specific situation, there is a problem, and if a teenager makes a club to correct it WITHOUT proselytizing in any way...yeah, that's okay. I didn't get the impression she was trying to force her views on other people, just celebrate the few teenagers with enough common sense to realize nobody really wants to see your breasts\rear end. She's a teenager. As part of a social group, she does get to comment on it.
 
2012-12-08 08:32:33 PM  

kiwimoogle84: But when a twelve year old is wearing a shirt that says "I love cock", boys will look at her differently because that's what boys do.


Sigh. Here's the thing: Boys need to be taught to treat women with common decency no matter what they're wearing. That's a massively important lesson, and there are a whole lot of parents that fall down on the job on that one. For a very long time now, the onus has been on women- dress modestly, act like a nice girl, or boys will get the wrong idea and treat you like a whore.

How about we just teach boys that it's never ok to treat women badly? While at the same time teaching girls how to own their sexuality in a healthy way and how to make discerning and mature choices when it comes to sex, flirting and dating? I understand that there are a lot of negative messages about female sexuality and that there's a bit of a trend towards exhibitionism, but I don't think you solve it by telling girls to cover up... I think you solve it by teaching them healthy and appropriate ways to approach sex and dating while you also teach boys the same thing.

Modesty movements, as they exist right now, are almost always still related to some really ugly messaging about sex. Based on the history of the parents in this case- I'm going to guess this one is too.

 
 
2012-12-08 08:38:43 PM  

PsiChick: I'm not arguing that pushing modesty and that purity crap does anything BUT cause problems. But I'm arguing that some of it is negated because of the person making this argument, and the reasons she's making it. It obviously has hugely Christian undertones, but at the end of the day in this specific situation, there is a problem, and if a teenager makes a club to correct it WITHOUT proselytizing in any way...yeah, that's okay. I didn't get the impression she was trying to force her views on other people, just celebrate the few teenagers with enough common sense to realize nobody really wants to see your breasts\rear end. She's a teenager. As part of a social group, she does get to comment on it.

 
And see, I don't read this the same way. I see rigidly authoritarian parents whose controlling message is wrapped up in a distorted version of Christianity and who are probably exerting a lot of control on their kids to adhere to their belief system. Any parent who makes a business out of selling a how to book on Christian parenting is going to be under some pressure to make sure their kids conform. Bad for business otherwise. And I mean, I don't see how a group like this could be anything BUT proselytizing, but maybe I'm underestimating them.

 
 
2012-12-08 08:57:21 PM  

Genevieve Marie: PsiChick: I'm not arguing that pushing modesty and that purity crap does anything BUT cause problems. But I'm arguing that some of it is negated because of the person making this argument, and the reasons she's making it. It obviously has hugely Christian undertones, but at the end of the day in this specific situation, there is a problem, and if a teenager makes a club to correct it WITHOUT proselytizing in any way...yeah, that's okay. I didn't get the impression she was trying to force her views on other people, just celebrate the few teenagers with enough common sense to realize nobody really wants to see your breasts\rear end. She's a teenager. As part of a social group, she does get to comment on it.
 
And see, I don't read this the same way. I see rigidly authoritarian parents whose controlling message is wrapped up in a distorted version of Christianity and who are probably exerting a lot of control on their kids to adhere to their belief system. Any parent who makes a business out of selling a how to book on Christian parenting is going to be under some pressure to make sure their kids conform. Bad for business otherwise. And I mean, I don't see how a group like this could be anything BUT proselytizing, but maybe I'm underestimating them.


Hmm. Well, re-read TFA, and I do see her petitioning filmmakers and such to actually dress their female actors in clothes, but then again, who wouldn't sign on to that. I don't see any other mention of proselytizing, though. They do have a preachy website, and I didn't notice that the parents were book authors...

I do see where you're coming from, but conformity != activity. From the sound of it, this was the girl's call. Based on her upbringing, certainly, but there's no one alive who isn't. So I think I'm reserving judgement until the club's been around long enough to fall one way or the other.

/For the record: I do not in any way, shape, or form believe women should be pressured to wear\not wear clothes. I do, however, find it disgusting that, as a woman, my entire farking life is supposed to revolve around attracting men, and that dumbass statements like "why would a fat woman get a nice shirt?" honestly confuse people. Purity movements don't help, but pretending sexually objectifying yourself is feminist is utter bullsh*t and I would like to find whoever came up with it and punch them in the damn face.
//Rant off.
 
2012-12-08 09:53:06 PM  

Genevieve Marie: kiwimoogle84: That's a massively important lesson, and there are a whole lot of parents that fall down on the job on that one.


I think a lot of people are forgetting how damn devious teenagers are. My former best friend, in 10th or 11th grade, had a shirt that said 'I'm going nucking futs' on it, and she KNEW it was going to get her in trouble, but snuck it in to school anyway and changed into it or had a sweat shirt over it or something like that. She almost got suspended, and had to change clothes and see the principle at the least.

Teenagers usually know things are wrong, but they do them anyway - it's part of the mindset at that age.

/shrug
 
2012-12-08 10:36:28 PM  

GAT_00: Like I said, I swear this text exchange came from farking Victorian England Modern Afghanistan. And I'm pissed off because I read between the lines that she's afraid I'd try something which I think is incredibly insulting. I don't particularly want to tell her off on those terms, but I can't think of how to possibly say tactfully that you're insane and I'm incredibly insulted.


ftfy
 
2012-12-09 12:45:24 AM  
Never went to high school without wearing a collared shirt...it's about respect for the people that have to look at you...so getting a kick out of these replies
 
2012-12-09 01:14:15 AM  
killjoy
 
2012-12-09 06:33:47 PM  

GAT_00: Shostie: Okay. I'm game. What did she do?

This is going to be a little vague. I have no reason to believe either her or her fiancee read this site, but no reason to risk it.

There's an absurdly big Christmas store down here, and my decoration collection is pretty small. We were talking about decorating for Christmas (and I should note here this woman is Church of Christ and yes she's a good friend of mine) and I mentioned that I wanted to head over there later in the week and invited her along. That morning I get a text that basically says she can't go because it would be "disrespectful" to her fiance to be around another guy without apparently him around. I more or less said 'what in the fark are you talking about' and I got back that she wants to be some kind of perfect fiance and ever be alone with a guy in any situation.

Like I said, I swear this text exchange came from farking Victorian England. And I'm pissed off because I read between the lines that she's afraid I'd try something which I think is incredibly insulting. I don't particularly want to tell her off on those terms, but I can't think of how to possibly say tactfully that you're insane and I'm incredibly insulted.


Perhaps you could organize a chaperone. Or maybe the problem is that you have not been formally introduced.
 
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