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2012-12-07 09:32:53 PM  
Well, at least she isn't hot.
 
2012-12-07 09:35:02 PM  
You just know all those guys are hoping for some nice-guys-get-me-wet action.
 
2012-12-07 09:38:04 PM  
That's not as bad as the straight Victorian level shiat one of my friends pulled on me earlier this week. I've been trying to find a way to diplomatically tell her that she's a damn fool and if she keeps acting like this she's going to hate herself and her husband in a few years. And she's nearly 10 years older than the girl in the link.
 
2012-12-07 09:48:01 PM  
"Saige?" Really?

GAT_00: That's not as bad as the straight Victorian level shiat one of my friends pulled on me earlier this week. I've been trying to find a way to diplomatically tell her that she's a damn fool and if she keeps acting like this she's going to hate herself and her husband in a few years. And she's nearly 10 years older than the girl in the link.


Okay. I'm game. What did she do?
 
2012-12-07 09:49:54 PM  
Don't drink, don't smoke, what do you do?
 
2012-12-07 09:57:50 PM  

Shostie: Okay. I'm game. What did she do?


This is going to be a little vague. I have no reason to believe either her or her fiancee read this site, but no reason to risk it.

There's an absurdly big Christmas store down here, and my decoration collection is pretty small. We were talking about decorating for Christmas (and I should note here this woman is Church of Christ and yes she's a good friend of mine) and I mentioned that I wanted to head over there later in the week and invited her along. That morning I get a text that basically says she can't go because it would be "disrespectful" to her fiance to be around another guy without apparently him around. I more or less said 'what in the fark are you talking about' and I got back that she wants to be some kind of perfect fiance and ever be alone with a guy in any situation.

Like I said, I swear this text exchange came from farking Victorian England. And I'm pissed off because I read between the lines that she's afraid I'd try something which I think is incredibly insulting. I don't particularly want to tell her off on those terms, but I can't think of how to possibly say tactfully that you're insane and I'm incredibly insulted.
 
2012-12-07 10:00:02 PM  
Approves!

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2012-12-07 10:59:24 PM  
See what you've done, America? You put all of this effort into stopping bullying and now there's nobody to keep the "Modesty Club" and the "No-Cussing Club" in check. I hope you're happy.
 
2012-12-07 11:03:53 PM  

Shostie: "Saige?" Really?


I'd consider her an ingredient in my sausage stuffing. 

/ likes it with fennel too... and a hot Yoo-Hoo bottle
 
2012-12-07 11:56:04 PM  

GAT_00: Shostie: Okay. I'm game. What did she do?

This is going to be a little vague. I have no reason to believe either her or her fiancee read this site, but no reason to risk it.

There's an absurdly big Christmas store down here, and my decoration collection is pretty small. We were talking about decorating for Christmas (and I should note here this woman is Church of Christ and yes she's a good friend of mine) and I mentioned that I wanted to head over there later in the week and invited her along. That morning I get a text that basically says she can't go because it would be "disrespectful" to her fiance to be around another guy without apparently him around. I more or less said 'what in the fark are you talking about' and I got back that she wants to be some kind of perfect fiance and ever be alone with a guy in any situation.

Like I said, I swear this text exchange came from farking Victorian England. And I'm pissed off because I read between the lines that she's afraid I'd try something which I think is incredibly insulting. I don't particularly want to tell her off on those terms, but I can't think of how to possibly say tactfully that you're insane and I'm incredibly insulted.


Try going with something along the lines of "you're insane and I'm incredibly insulted".

GAT_00: and yes she's a good friend of mine


Oh. I can't help but wonder if it's not you she's worried about as much as herself. Foisting responsibility on a partner is a cheap and convenient way to shift blame, too?

/drinking tonight not trying to cross any lines, guy
 
2012-12-08 12:02:11 AM  
As silly and pointless as this effort is, I think it's pretty sad that people would resort to death threats and vandalism over something so trivial.

Snarky Fark comments are still acceptable though.
 
2012-12-08 12:03:14 AM  

GAT_00: Shostie: Okay. I'm game. What did she do?

This is going to be a little vague. I have no reason to believe either her or her fiancee read this site, but no reason to risk it.

There's an absurdly big Christmas store down here, and my decoration collection is pretty small. We were talking about decorating for Christmas (and I should note here this woman is Church of Christ and yes she's a good friend of mine) and I mentioned that I wanted to head over there later in the week and invited her along. That morning I get a text that basically says she can't go because it would be "disrespectful" to her fiance to be around another guy without apparently him around. I more or less said 'what in the fark are you talking about' and I got back that she wants to be some kind of perfect fiance and ever be alone with a guy in any situation.

Like I said, I swear this text exchange came from farking Victorian England. And I'm pissed off because I read between the lines that she's afraid I'd try something which I think is incredibly insulting. I don't particularly want to tell her off on those terms, but I can't think of how to possibly say tactfully that you're insane and I'm incredibly insulted.


Let me guess: her fiance is thinking "God, when did she become so clingy? I wish GAT_00 would take her out once in a while just to give me a break."
 
2012-12-08 12:03:51 AM  
She said she views immodest dress as showing cleavage, showing one's midriff or one's shoulders. Immodesty also includes shorts, dresses, pants and skirts that are too short or tight

Temperatures are mostly in the 90s and low 100s in South Pasadena in September and sometimes part of October...I doubt that she'll convince most girls to stop wearing shorts and tank tops during the first few weeks of the school year.
 
2012-12-08 12:10:07 AM  
I feel really terrible for both of these kids. Their dad wrote a book called "Raising a G Rated Kid in an X Rated World". I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that he's an authoritarian douchebag who's doing his level best to raise one miniature version of himself, and one subserviant girl who will grow up to be an obedient wife to another version of himself.

All I can really hope for these kids is that they get enough distance to think through these ideas themselves eventually. If they willfully choose to be like this as adults... well, more power to them I guess. But I tend to think these households are not actually very happy ones.
 
2012-12-08 12:22:38 AM  

Elzar: Don't drink, don't smoke, what do you do?


Subtle innuendo.

Genevieve Marie: I feel really terrible for both of these kids. Their dad wrote a book called "Raising a G Rated Kid in an X Rated World". I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that he's an authoritarian douchebag who's doing his level best to raise one miniature version of himself, and one subserviant girl who will grow up to be an obedient wife to another version of himself.

All I can really hope for these kids is that they get enough distance to think through these ideas themselves eventually. If they willfully choose to be like this as adults... well, more power to them I guess. But I tend to think these households are not actually very happy ones.


The brother is gay and can't out himself. Once these kids get out of the house and away from their parents it will be a disaster.
 
2012-12-08 12:42:45 AM  

Mentat: Let me guess: her fiance is thinking "God, when did she become so clingy? I wish GAT_00 would take her out once in a while just to give me a break."


I wondered if the dude wrote that but it sounded like her. By the way, in case anyone is wondering, yes I'm aware this whole thing is absurd and stupid and more than a little high school. I've just never tactfully learned how to try to tell someone they are ruining their own life by wrapping themselves up in a cocoon that 10 years from now they're going to hate themselves for.

Elandriel: Oh. I can't help but wonder if it's not you she's worried about as much as herself.


Hell if I know. There is some subtext that if I chose to read it that way that could mean that. It's also the most logical outcome that a woman who wants to throw herself at me is engaged because that's just my life.

Anyway, didn't mean to jack a now green thread with incredibly mundane and stupid shiat.
 
2012-12-08 12:46:00 AM  

Genevieve Marie: I feel really terrible for both of these kids. Their dad wrote a book called "Raising a G Rated Kid in an X Rated World". I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that he's an authoritarian douchebag who's doing his level best to raise one miniature version of himself, and one subserviant girl who will grow up to be an obedient wife to another version of himself.

All I can really hope for these kids is that they get enough distance to think through these ideas themselves eventually. If they willfully choose to be like this as adults... well, more power to them I guess. But I tend to think these households are not actually very happy ones.


No matter what, you always make me feel worse of myself as a human being. Thank you for that.... and you would be correct

/one needs a slap in the face every once in a while, These are kids and they need help
 
2012-12-08 01:00:09 AM  

GAT_00: And I'm pissed off because I read between the lines that she's afraid I'd try something which I think is incredibly insulting.


I don't think that's an unreasonable response. A few years ago my wife caught flack from a coworker because she was met by a male friend for lunch. She was told it was 'inappropriate to be with another man unaccompanied' when she was engaged to me. She was so surprised by this confrontation that she couldn't really formulate an appropriate response beyond "I'm sorry, are you serious?"

I think I was more pissed off than she was. It's insulting to everyone involved.
 
2012-12-08 01:03:05 AM  

GAT_00: Shostie: Okay. I'm game. What did she do?

This is going to be a little vague. I have no reason to believe either her or her fiancee read this site, but no reason to risk it.

There's an absurdly big Christmas store down here, and my decoration collection is pretty small. We were talking about decorating for Christmas (and I should note here this woman is Church of Christ and yes she's a good friend of mine) and I mentioned that I wanted to head over there later in the week and invited her along. That morning I get a text that basically says she can't go because it would be "disrespectful" to her fiance to be around another guy without apparently him around. I more or less said 'what in the fark are you talking about' and I got back that she wants to be some kind of perfect fiance and ever be alone with a guy in any situation.

Like I said, I swear this text exchange came from farking Victorian England. And I'm pissed off because I read between the lines that she's afraid I'd try something which I think is incredibly insulting. I don't particularly want to tell her off on those terms, but I can't think of how to possibly say tactfully that you're insane and I'm incredibly insulted.


Dude... she wants you

/I'll bet she'd go all flirty in seconds if you did anything without her fiance around to keep her in check
 
2012-12-08 01:04:14 AM  

costermonger: GAT_00: And I'm pissed off because I read between the lines that she's afraid I'd try something which I think is incredibly insulting.

I don't think that's an unreasonable response. A few years ago my wife caught flack from a coworker because she was met by a male friend for lunch. She was told it was 'inappropriate to be with another man unaccompanied' when she was engaged to me. She was so surprised by this confrontation that she couldn't really formulate an appropriate response beyond "I'm sorry, are you serious?"

I think I was more pissed off than she was. It's insulting to everyone involved.


Seriously, it implies a total lack of self-control and self-respect, that somehow you are now completely evaluated by how you are attached to someone else. Or that men apparently walk around constantly just throwing themselves at any woman. This isn't Victorian farking England.
 
2012-12-08 01:08:36 AM  
She's not very modest in my book. You can still see her ankles, arms, hair, and eyes. Slut.

curiosityquills.com
 
2012-12-08 01:11:18 AM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: I'll bet she'd go all flirty in seconds if you did anything without her fiance around to keep her in check


I've never met the guy actually. I mean, sure I'd see if it went anywhere if she was single, but she's not so I don't give a fark.

Funny thing is, I've had a variant of this situation happen to me before. I was in a few classes with a completely different woman years ago, and apparently because she talked about me a fair bit, her husband tried to come kill me. Like actually waiting outside my apartment in the parking lot, which luckily for me I didn't go anywhere that night. Found out like six months later when she told me. Kind of amusing actually, you know, once he wasn't trying to kill me. I've never provoked that kind of response in someone before. On the other hand, I was pissed off because I wasn't even farking her, and as I see it, if someone is going to kill me for banging his wife I'd like to actually be doing it, you know?

So, anyone got any more Tales of Boring White People?
 
2012-12-08 01:16:46 AM  

GAT_00: Seriously, it implies a total lack of self-control and self-respect, that somehow you are now completely evaluated by how you are attached to someone else. Or that men apparently walk around constantly just throwing themselves at any woman. This isn't Victorian farking England.


Pretty much. It's all sorts of farked up, unless you're part of some kind of ultra-orthodox religious community. It's still farked up there, too, but at least it's normal in that frame of reference. I still occasionally have an idle thought about whether or not the judgemental coworker goes through life avoiding one-on-one situations with men, or whether it's okay again once you're married.
 
2012-12-08 01:20:57 AM  
Does she not know where to find tee shirts and pants? While I feel that clothing should allow you to be functional in the given situation you will encounter. I don't think dressing a certain way means you are dressing like a hooker. Especially since guys are allowed to go in public shirtless without being considered hookers.
 
2012-12-08 01:21:31 AM  

costermonger: unless you're part of some kind of ultra-orthodox religious community


She's Church of Christ, so kinda.

And before someone asks me how the hell I get along with someone like this, I'd like to add this is also the only person I know IRL who voted for Jill Stein with me.
 
2012-12-08 01:38:15 AM  
How long until we get the followup story that she's suspended for letting the entire starting offensive line "earn the Brown Badge of Courage" behind the bleachers at the next Good Citizenship rally?

Helped by her brother, of course.
 
2012-12-08 01:52:22 AM  
What we got here is... failure to cogitate
parallax-view.org
 
2012-12-08 02:00:36 AM  
They sound super fun.
 
2012-12-08 02:03:01 AM  
I'm surprised they got 17 members.
 
2012-12-08 02:05:16 AM  
these kids today....

there is no more graffitti in my town. no more racing and cruising up and down the main drag. no juveniles hanging around sneering and intimidating old people. no one outside the convenience store asking me to buy them beer or if I want to buy some dope (yes, please).

what is wrong with the current generation?

the folks who came of age from the 40s through the 90s should gnash their teeth at such wasted young lives. they are pathetic.

/swag
//yolo
///slashie!
 
2012-12-08 02:05:40 AM  
Hey, it looks like the "No Cussing" club worked -- I haven't seen a single curse word on Fark since I joined!

/although I do see the word Shiat a lot
//hard to believe so many Shia Islams keep adding that extra t
 
2012-12-08 02:06:07 AM  
good for her.
 
2012-12-08 02:07:53 AM  
www.examiner.com

Her?
 
2012-12-08 02:09:16 AM  

GAT_00: There's an absurdly big Christmas store down here, and my decoration collection is pretty small.


Cue the tangled Christmas lights guy ;)

Damned if I can find it, though.
 
2012-12-08 02:12:17 AM  

GAT_00: Shostie: Okay. I'm game. What did she do?
This is going to be a little vague. I have no reason to believe either her or her fiancee read this site, but no reason to risk it.
There's an absurdly big Christmas store down here, and my decoration collection is pretty small. We were talking about decorating for Christmas (and I should note here this woman is Church of Christ and yes she's a good friend of mine) and I mentioned that I wanted to head over there later in the week and invited her along. That morning I get a text that basically says she can't go because it would be "disrespectful" to her fiance to be around another guy without apparently him around. I more or less said 'what in the fark are you talking about' and I got back that she wants to be some kind of perfect fiance and ever be alone with a guy in any situation.

Like I said, I swear this text exchange came from farking Victorian England. And I'm pissed off because I read between the lines that she's afraid I'd try something which I think is incredibly insulting.
I don't particularly want to tell her off on those terms, but I can't think of how to possibly say tactfully that you're insane and I'm incredibly insulted.


"Good-bye" is a nice start
 
2012-12-08 02:12:59 AM  

Mentat: Let me guess: her fiance is thinking "God, when did she become so clingy? I wish GAT_00 would take her out once in a while just to give me a break."


I think it's highly unlikely that he calls him GAT_00
 
2012-12-08 02:13:29 AM  

GAT_00: That morning I get a text that basically says she can't go because it would be "disrespectful" to her fiance to be around another guy without apparently him around. I more or less said 'what in the fark are you talking about' and I got back that she wants to be some kind of perfect fiance and ever be alone with a guy in any situation.

Like I said, I swear this text exchange came from farking Victorian England. And I'm pissed off because I read between the lines that she's afraid I'd try something which I think is incredibly insulting. I don't particularly want to tell her off on those terms, but I can't think of how to possibly say tactfully that you're insane and I'm incredibly insulted.


You should tell her "So you're following sharia law? Good for you."
 
2012-12-08 02:18:14 AM  
2012 - President and Founder of the high school Modesty Club
2015 - Beer-Bong Champion and Booty-Call Queen, Sigma Alpha Mu
 
2012-12-08 02:18:16 AM  
I'm ok with less cussing. It gets tiresome in conversation with some folks.
I figure good curse words should be saved for when you stub your toe or peel the meat back from your knuckle while working on the car,that kind of thing
 
2012-12-08 02:19:17 AM  

Genevieve Marie: I feel really terrible for both of these kids. Their dad wrote a book called "Raising a G Rated Kid in an X Rated World". I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that he's an authoritarian douchebag who's doing his level best to raise one miniature version of himself, and one subserviant girl who will grow up to be an obedient wife to another version of himself.

All I can really hope for these kids is that they get enough distance to think through these ideas themselves eventually. If they willfully choose to be like this as adults... well, more power to them I guess. But I tend to think these households are not actually very happy ones.


I can see one of two outcomes here: the first is that the kids tow the family line into adulthood. The second outcome is that both of these kids hightail it out of there, leaving douchebag dad to wonder why the kids never call and send his mail back unopened.
 
2012-12-08 02:20:26 AM  
KarmicDisaster
Approves!

From the text it sounds like she wasn't upset with flirting but sexual harassment.
 
2012-12-08 02:21:10 AM  

Mentat: As silly and pointless as this effort is, I think it's pretty sad that people would resort to death threats and vandalism over something so trivial.

Snarky Fark comments are still acceptable though.


Yeah, I don't know if I really believe all of that. Really odd that parents who supposedly took all sorts of steps to protect their son's club now, less than five years later, have started listing their phone number..

And no one sends death threats over not swearing. I feel it's a nice, convenient thing to have a couple of buddies egg your car and cry vandalism.
 
2012-12-08 02:22:30 AM  

sforce: I think it's highly unlikely that he calls him GAT_00


Nonsense, my life is totally tied up in my Internet personality. I changed my name legally and everything.

fusillade762: Cue the tangled Christmas lights guy ;)


i575.photobucket.com

Marcintosh: "Good-bye" is a nice start


Not what I want to do.
 
2012-12-08 02:23:39 AM  
biatch sounds like a stupid motherfarking farker from farktown, to me
 
2012-12-08 02:25:13 AM  

GAT_00: Shostie: Okay. I'm game. What did she do?

This is going to be a little vague. I have no reason to believe either her or her fiancee read this site, but no reason to risk it.

There's an absurdly big Christmas store down here, and my decoration collection is pretty small. We were talking about decorating for Christmas (and I should note here this woman is Church of Christ and yes she's a good friend of mine) and I mentioned that I wanted to head over there later in the week and invited her along. That morning I get a text that basically says she can't go because it would be "disrespectful" to her fiance to be around another guy without apparently him around. I more or less said 'what in the fark are you talking about' and I got back that she wants to be some kind of perfect fiance and ever be alone with a guy in any situation.

Like I said, I swear this text exchange came from farking Victorian England. And I'm pissed off because I read between the lines that she's afraid I'd try something which I think is incredibly insulting. I don't particularly want to tell her off on those terms, but I can't think of how to possibly say tactfully that you're insane and I'm incredibly insulted.


Oh god I hate people who pull that shiat.. I had that once with a guy I know, whose girlfriend still thinks that I was "after" him all because I invited him over when my then-boyfriend tried to kill himself (they are both schizophrenic and my boyfriend needed support). That and sending a text to everyone in my phone book one night when I was high (I doubt it was even intelligible). Wow. Clearly I am a hussy who was out to get her man. Nobody else had a problem, but this guy biatched at me about it at a party months later ... after having originally curtly told me "they never go anywhere alone" at the time! I apologised and explained. That was over 10 years ago, but she is STILL putting it around as fact that I tried to "steal her man".

Some people really make my blood boil. I think the subtext is that there is some major insecurity deal going on. I know for a fact that there was in my example. I HOPE one or both of them reads this ...

GRRR
 
2012-12-08 02:26:40 AM  
FTFA: "But Brent Hatch, Saige's father, said he was hesitant to let his daughter start the club after he saw what his son went through. When Saige's brother, McKay, started the No Cussing Club in 2009, it spurred thousands of hate messages.

During the death threats and the bomb threats and the packages and the calls and all the chaos, my daughter said to me when she was in the fifth grade that she wanted to start a modesty club," said Hatch, who co-authored "Raising a G-Rated Family in an X-Rated World," with his wife, Phelecia. "I laughed and said it's not going to happen, especially with what McKay's going through. 



Sounds like a bunch of coonts. I bet the wife takes up the arse, like her husband when the wife is away for Ladies' Etiquette Class.
 
2012-12-08 02:28:37 AM  

GAT_00: Shostie: Okay. I'm game. What did she do?

This is going to be a little vague. I have no reason to believe either her or her fiancee read this site, but no reason to risk it.

There's an absurdly big Christmas store down here, and my decoration collection is pretty small. We were talking about decorating for Christmas (and I should note here this woman is Church of Christ and yes she's a good friend of mine) and I mentioned that I wanted to head over there later in the week and invited her along. That morning I get a text that basically says she can't go because it would be "disrespectful" to her fiance to be around another guy without apparently him around. I more or less said 'what in the fark are you talking about' and I got back that she wants to be some kind of perfect fiance and ever be alone with a guy in any situation.

Like I said, I swear this text exchange came from farking Victorian England. And I'm pissed off because I read between the lines that she's afraid I'd try something which I think is incredibly insulting. I don't particularly want to tell her off on those terms, but I can't think of how to possibly say tactfully that you're insane and I'm incredibly insulted.


She has already considered the possibility that you and she might be alone together, and considering this has come to the conclusion that the inevitable result would be physical contact between you. Since she cannot predict your response, she has come to this conclusion based on what exists in her head; therefore, she cannot trust herself around you. This is classic blame-shifting. The upshot, though, is that even if you were to have consensual sex, in order to maintain her "spotless" image she would always present herself as the "innocent victim" and you as the "savage predator", no matter how much she wants it, because that's the logical conclusion of the blame-shifting game she has already presented to you.
 
2012-12-08 02:31:43 AM  

Makh: Does she not know where to find tee shirts and pants? While I feel that clothing should allow you to be functional in the given situation you will encounter. I don't think dressing a certain way means you are dressing like a hooker. Especially since guys are allowed to go in public shirtless without being considered hookers.


Funnily enough, most of the hookers I know dress very inconspicuously. The ones that work on the street, I mean. For one thing their addictions obviously take all their money, and I guess they don't want to attract the attention of the police etc.

/just saying ...
//I am a female, in case you were wondering
 
2012-12-08 02:32:00 AM  

GAT_00: but I can't think of how to possibly say tactfully that you're insane and I'm incredibly insulted.


Don't be incredibly insulted, just laugh at her. Say "I wouldn't let you try anything, because I now know you can't help yourself without Bob (or whatever his name is). Just know that I understand your weakness and it won't come between us". Then she will say "No, I was worried about you!" And you say "Well, that's no problem! You're kind of disgusting. I can pick you up in about 10 minutes."
 
2012-12-08 02:32:22 AM  
It's nice to see the "Future Homosexuals of America" there to support the cause.
 
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