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(CNN)   After the grand success of the Zune, Kin, FrontPage, Windows Live, Encarta, Mulitplan, Surface, etc, etc, Microsoft decides to throw a truckload of money into the dump by *SPINS WHEEL* a new Facebook knockoff   (cnn.com) divider line 93
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2012-12-07 05:02:32 PM  
Even "me-too" lightening never strikes twice in the same place .
 
2012-12-07 09:21:54 PM  
This is it! This will be the Google Plus killer!
 
2012-12-07 09:24:22 PM  
Didn't Apple try something like this recently? And wasn't it very not-successful?
 
2012-12-07 09:26:28 PM  
At this point, FaceBook and Twitter have been integrated into most new consumer tech, which pretty much ensures that they will remain on top no matter what happens.

If you buy a phone, or a game console, or a coffee machine these days you're pretty much going to have to sign up for FaceBook.

//I'm glad there is money to be made by helping other people to make money by helping people make money.
///CAPITALISM OROBOROUS!
 
2012-12-07 09:26:59 PM  
And so long as Office exists they can keep throwing garbage bags full of money at things until something sticks.
 
2012-12-07 09:28:34 PM  
The Zune wasn't a bad media player.
 
2012-12-07 09:32:39 PM  
I love my Zune.
 
2012-12-07 09:34:00 PM  
What the fark do you have against Encarta subby? I used it a lot in the mid 90's for school. Got me through a lot of projects.

I think it was successful until the Internet was in every household.
 
2012-12-07 09:36:16 PM  
hey, encarta was amazing at the time. so shut up
 
2012-12-07 09:37:48 PM  
www.engadgetmobile.com
 
2012-12-07 09:45:35 PM  
Windows Live was mildly successful
 
2012-12-07 09:47:58 PM  
They could just tie it into the "X" brand (XBOX) and the kiddies will be all over it.

Or they could tie it into the corporate (Office) brand, and play commercials telling us how easily we can collaborate our spreadsheets and powerpoints with our friends and family, and watch it die a painful fiery death.
 
2012-12-07 09:48:13 PM  
creativejs.com

Miss us yet?
 
2012-12-07 09:49:13 PM  
Microsoft can make some great products and platforms -- the Zune was a great media player (and the Zune HD was a better music player than any version of the iPod), the Surface is actually really cool and even Bing has its uses.

What Microsoft sucks at is marketing. They're horrible at it. They don't know how to be sincere or hip, so they always come off as some weird, corporate interpretation of both. It starts with creating products that no one asked for, then trying to spend way too much money convincing them that they should care. And since Microsoft always charges too much for anything it sells, the products inevitably fail.

What they need to do is to fire all of their marketing people - every single one of them! - and hire in some new, young people who understand how technology is being used by Millenials and who have the power to make real decisions and product, promotion and pricing. They also need to transition to a true SaaS model and quit trying to have these incremental updates every few years. Windows and Office would both do much better if they required inexpensive annual updates than if they required expensive optional updates every 2-3 years.

/I firmly believe that the Xbox would have been a huge failure had it not been for Halo (which was stolen away from the Mac in one of the most savvy moves Microsoft has ever made).
 
2012-12-07 09:50:25 PM  
If your pitch is "It is like facebook but......" just stop. Not many people really like facebook but no one wants to go through adding everyone as a connection again.
 
2012-12-07 09:53:38 PM  
You can't compete in a market of products or services that require constant gardening, tilling, mowing, weeding, etc. by the consumer.

Once you've setup one social network, you don't need another.
 
2012-12-07 09:54:10 PM  

Mantour: [creativejs.com image 600x200]

Miss us yet?


I liked the cat. I'd just leave it on the screen, sleeping in the corner.
 
2012-12-07 09:54:57 PM  

Glitchwerks: The Zune wasn't a bad media player.


Zune also pioneered the UI ideas that eventually became Windows Phone. If it can manage to get some good market share with the Lumia 920 and HTC 8X, which are some nice phones, then Zune will have been an important product for Microsoft.
 
2012-12-07 09:56:16 PM  

secularsage: Windows and Office would both do much better if they required inexpensive annual updates than if they required expensive optional updates every 2-3 years.


They seem to be testing the waters with this concept Via O365, there also seems to be a bit of a push to get a Windows out every year, even if the changes to it are smaller (Windows Blue)
 
2012-12-07 09:56:20 PM  
It's pretty awesome that they let you login with Facebook.
 
2012-12-07 09:58:05 PM  

FatalDischarge: It's pretty awesome that they let you login with Facebook.


I foresee a world where every website SSOs onto every other website and the entire Internet is one giant circle jerk.
 
2012-12-07 09:59:25 PM  
Also, I'm not sure how Windows Live is a failure. Hotmail and Messenger are hugely popular services, and Skydrive is a pretty damn nice cloud service that has deep hooks in Windows Phone and Windows 8.
 
2012-12-07 10:01:58 PM  
Way too early to throw the Surface into that group. Give it 6 months, then we can see if it is a fail.
 
2012-12-07 10:02:18 PM  

FatalDischarge: It's pretty awesome that they let you login with Facebook.


I have never logged into a site with Facebook. Whenever that's the only option to access something, I decide I don't need it as much as they think I do.
 
2012-12-07 10:03:52 PM  

the_sidewinder: secularsage: Windows and Office would both do much better if they required inexpensive annual updates than if they required expensive optional updates every 2-3 years.

They seem to be testing the waters with this concept Via O365, there also seems to be a bit of a push to get a Windows out every year, even if the changes to it are smaller (Windows Blue)


It's a nice concept. I've been using the Adobe Creative Cloud for some work projects, which is a really nice deal. Thanks to a Staples sale, I have access to the entire Creative Suite for the next year for $400. Way easier for my boss to swallow than $2600 for the full Suite.
 
2012-12-07 10:09:46 PM  
FTA: Now, everyone with a Microsoft or Facebook account can access it.

Yo dawg, I heard you like social networks...
 
2012-12-07 10:13:35 PM  

Mad_Radhu: Also, I'm not sure how Windows Live is a failure. Hotmail and Messenger are hugely popular services, and Skydrive is a pretty damn nice cloud service that has deep hooks in Windows Phone and Windows 8.


Oh yeah, about that new interface for Win 8? The exact opposite of the experience I had when I first used Windows 95.

IOW, a complete and utter fail.
 
2012-12-07 10:14:29 PM  

MrEricSir: FTA: Now, everyone with a Microsoft or Facebook account can access it.

Yo dawg, I heard you like social networks...


If you friend Xzibit on both services the Internet will divide by zero and be destroyed.
 
2012-12-07 10:16:34 PM  

Mad_Radhu: Also, I'm not sure how Windows Live is a failure. Hotmail and Messenger are hugely popular services, and Skydrive is a pretty damn nice cloud service that has deep hooks in Windows Phone and Windows 8.


Some of the downloadable programs integrated with Windows Live were also well done. WL Photo Gallery is the nicest photo organization tool I've ever used: intuitive, elegant, quick and just about the perfect feature set for me. Of course, they farked it up later by adding face tagging, friend lists and requiring you to login just to use the desktop application.
 
2012-12-07 10:20:31 PM  

Mantour: [creativejs.com image 600x200]

Miss us yet?


A kitty? They had a kitty!?

I never found the kitty :(

And frak you M$ for killing Windows Live Messenger service in a month.
 
2012-12-07 10:21:46 PM  
Mulitplan?
 
2012-12-07 10:25:02 PM  
Back when I used to do website design, I was hired by a church to design their site but they insisted I use Front Page.

I told them I don't USE Front Page, and they wouldn't be happy with the results. They INSISTED because one of their parishioners agreed to update the site for free, so they wouldn't have to pay ME to do it, but he only KNEW Front Page.

No matter how much I protested, they insisted.

It was the ugliest site I ever designed and I never added it to my portfolio

/csb
 
2012-12-07 10:29:56 PM  

Kittypie070: A kitty? They had a kitty!?


here you are
 
2012-12-07 10:30:28 PM  
I got a huge box of mp3 players (mostly Sansa) that included a Zune, and it was truly much better than any iPod I had ever used.
 
2012-12-07 10:31:55 PM  
toastytech.com
 
2012-12-07 10:32:45 PM  

buntz: Back when I used to do website design, I was hired by a church to design their site but they insisted I use Front Page.

I told them I don't USE Front Page, and they wouldn't be happy with the results. They INSISTED because one of their parishioners agreed to update the site for free, so they wouldn't have to pay ME to do it, but he only KNEW Front Page.

No matter how much I protested, they insisted.

It was the ugliest site I ever designed and I never added it to my portfolio

/csb


Front Page can look however it is designed. All the templates it comes with are pretty horrendous, but the limiting factor is still the ability of the designer.

I would never use it due to the lock-in it requires, but calling it ugly speaks more about you than it.
 
2012-12-07 10:33:34 PM  
Microsoft needs to drop the idea that it's a trendy company. It's not. It's a solid company that provides a good foundation for business and communications platforms, but it's not trendy.

Advertise yourself as a corporate serving company - like IBM or Cisco and you'll get a LOT more positive press.
 
2012-12-07 10:35:02 PM  

Abe Vigoda's Ghost: Way too early to throw the Surface into that group. Give it 6 months, then we can see if it is a fail.


The Pro looks good. The RT version is a huge bag of fail.

Because you can only install Metro apps on the RT, the killer feature of having access to a desktop can only be used for Office, IE10, and changing the half of the key settings they left out of the Metro control panel (like the sleep and screen dimming timers). Now, with just these features, it could still make a decent business tablet, except for the fact that preinstalled Office 2013 for WinRT doesn't have Outlook and the included Mail and Calendar apps don't let you do all the advanced things that you need to do with Outlook in a corporate settings, like viewing availability when planning a meeting.

You can add a memory card, but none of the Metro apps can access the memory card by default because Windows doesn't normally include removable memory in the Libraries unless you do some hacking in Disk Management to fool the system in thinking it is a hard drive mount point. The keyboard cover also has a caps lock key, but the OS doesn't alert you with an on screen pop up when it is activated (like most laptops do). In its current form, RT is a deeply flawed curate's egg of an OS. 2 years ago, Microsoft might have had time to get it fixed, but RT is going to get destroyed by the more mature ecosystems of iOS and Android. The screen being noticeably worse than the iPad 3 is also a huge disadvantage for the Surface as well. I just don't see it thriving in a world full of iPads, Nexus 10s and Kindle Fire HD 8.9s that cost the same or less and allow you to get more done thanks to a better selection off apps.
 
2012-12-07 10:39:13 PM  

Tourney3p0: I would never use it due to the lock-in it requires, but calling it ugly speaks more about you than it.


Now, now, no need to be snippy! Their design choice was ugly and I did what they told me to do.
I told them it was ugly but they, they being the head priest in charge, loved it.

I told him I called my website design philosophy "The Jurassic Park Website Philosophy: Just because you CAN do something on your web page doesn't mean you SHOULD!"

He didn't care. I did what he told me to do.
 
2012-12-07 10:39:41 PM  
So.cl may be crap, but still used by more people than Desktop Linux subby.
 
2012-12-07 10:40:09 PM  

Mad_Radhu: The keyboard cover also has a caps lock key, but the OS doesn't alert you with an on screen pop up when it is activated (like most laptops do).


Those laptops don't alert you due to the OS. They alert you due to the third-party software installed on them. Even then, it's just another program running in the background that could be replaced by simply typing a key. Is it in caps? Then caps lock is on.
 
2012-12-07 10:41:26 PM  

ModernLuddite: At this point, FaceBook and Twitter have been integrated into most new consumer tech, which pretty much ensures that they will remain on top no matter what happens.

If you buy a phone, or a game console, or a coffee machine these days you're pretty much going to have to sign up for FaceBook.

//I'm glad there is money to be made by helping other people to make money by helping people make money.
///CAPITALISM OROBOROUS!


Why? No one makes you use Facebook to do anything. I think you've got your point backwards, all those devices will have the ability to use Facebook integrated, but none of them will require Facebook in order to use them. For example, my PS Vita has a Facebook app should I need it, but my PS Vita did not require a Facebook account before I could play games.
 
2012-12-07 10:41:55 PM  
I went looking for Links the Cat.

Results:

The Original Page

Look at this Silly Toy!!
 
2012-12-07 10:42:12 PM  

Harry_Seldon: [toastytech.com image 640x480]


You laugh, but that Agent API that came out of it was pretty powerful, randomly, no one ever did anything with it*. I actually had a couple ideas I thought had merit, but I'm extremely lazy.

*That anyone liked
 
2012-12-07 10:44:36 PM  

Tickle Mittens: You laugh, but that Agent API that came out of it was pretty powerful


1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-12-07 10:53:39 PM  
I just tried this.. It's actually a nice concept, easier to figure out than Google+ but the problem is the stupid web address. You don't dump all this money into a website just to use a non-standard .com web address. Who the fark is going to remember www.so.cl? It sounds like a url you'd see clicking view source on a popup ad.
 
2012-12-07 10:54:21 PM  

Tourney3p0: Mad_Radhu: The keyboard cover also has a caps lock key, but the OS doesn't alert you with an on screen pop up when it is activated (like most laptops do).

Those laptops don't alert you due to the OS. They alert you due to the third-party software installed on them. Even then, it's just another program running in the background that could be replaced by simply typing a key. Is it in caps? Then caps lock is on.


Microsoft is the hardware designer for the Surface, so they should have put the software on the Surface to alert you, or added it into Windows RT. It would have taken all of half an hour of programming to implement in software if they added it in at an OS level. It's a small thing compared to the other usability issues, but it really stands out on the Surface because they spent so much time getting the design right, but didn't spend the attention to detail required to make sure that the software was just as awesome.
 
2012-12-07 10:54:53 PM  

styckx: I just tried this.. It's actually a nice concept, easier to figure out than Google+ but the problem is the stupid web address. You don't dump all this money into a website just to use a non-standard .com web address. Who the fark is going to remember www.so.cl? It sounds like a url you'd see clicking view source on a popup ad.


Correction

* "just to not use a standard .com web address"
 
2012-12-07 10:57:39 PM  
Good. Their online efforts were tapering off to a barely-perceptible two billion dollars a year in losses. This is just the thing to get their numbers back up.

static5.businessinsider.com
 
2012-12-07 11:05:58 PM  

styckx: I just tried this.. It's actually a nice concept, easier to figure out than Google+ but the problem is the stupid web address. You don't dump all this money into a website just to use a non-standard .com web address. Who the fark is going to remember www.so.cl? It sounds like a url you'd see clicking view source on a popup ad.


Dunno about that -- del.icio.us did pretty well before Yahoo bought it and ran it into the ground.
 
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