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2012-12-07 04:50:08 PM
FTA: "...it is much easier to get food now than it used to be, or to talk to someone not next to you."

But it's still pretty hard to talk to girls.

amirite?
 
2012-12-07 04:55:31 PM
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4036/4254681996_27b1ed7ff0.jpg
 
2012-12-07 04:56:13 PM
Opps, cat like typing detected and all that. Let's try again ...

farm5.static.flickr.com
 
2012-12-07 04:58:19 PM
He asserts the only way to save the planet is to return to a pre-industrial way of life.

Good luck with that.
 
2012-12-07 05:01:11 PM

nmemkha: He asserts the only way to save the planet is to return to a pre-industrial way of life.

Good luck with that.


Um. Life expectancy goes down, childhood mortality rates go up, illiteracy goes up, we return to horses and oxen as primary means of transportation and heavy lifting, deforestation to build and cook and keep warm. Is that his suggestion?
 
2012-12-07 05:03:24 PM
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This is the man who will lead you into the future, which will technically be like the past
 
2012-12-07 05:35:39 PM
Because we all know how good mathematical models are at predicting future developments within a highly complex system.
 
2012-12-07 06:39:06 PM
In about 4.5 billion years this will no longer be an issue.
 
2012-12-07 06:44:04 PM

Barfmaker: In about 4.5 billion years this will no longer be an issue.


It won't be an issue in 500 years either because the planet won't be habitable anymore.
 
2012-12-07 06:49:35 PM

GAT_00: Barfmaker: In about 4.5 billion years this will no longer be an issue.

It won't be an issue in 500 years either because the planet won't be habitable anymore.


I'm going to need a citation for that one. It may be warmer, but we'll still be here in spades.
 
2012-12-07 06:53:31 PM

Marcus Aurelius: GAT_00: Barfmaker: In about 4.5 billion years this will no longer be an issue.

It won't be an issue in 500 years either because the planet won't be habitable anymore.

I'm going to need a citation for that one. It may be warmer, but we'll still be here in spades.


That's mostly my own prediction, but IIRC even current levels of CO2 should put us around 2C north of the old baseline. If you get an uncontrolled methane release, like the one that seems like it might be starting in the Arctic, I think something as high as 10C growth is entirely possible. Human beings will not be living on this planet if the planetary average is 25C.
 
2012-12-07 07:12:39 PM

GAT_00: Marcus Aurelius: GAT_00: Barfmaker: In about 4.5 billion years this will no longer be an issue.

It won't be an issue in 500 years either because the planet won't be habitable anymore.

I'm going to need a citation for that one. It may be warmer, but we'll still be here in spades.

That's mostly my own prediction, but IIRC even current levels of CO2 should put us around 2C north of the old baseline. If you get an uncontrolled methane release, like the one that seems like it might be starting in the Arctic, I think something as high as 10C growth is entirely possible. Human beings will not be living on this planet if the planetary average is 25C.


True, but we have the means to cool the planet pretty damned quickly if a dire need arose. Nuke China!
 
2012-12-07 07:25:55 PM
Man I need to get my hands on the kind of live strong bracelets he's smoking.
 
2012-12-07 07:32:15 PM

Marcus Aurelius: GAT_00: Marcus Aurelius: GAT_00: Barfmaker: In about 4.5 billion years this will no longer be an issue.

It won't be an issue in 500 years either because the planet won't be habitable anymore.

I'm going to need a citation for that one. It may be warmer, but we'll still be here in spades.

That's mostly my own prediction, but IIRC even current levels of CO2 should put us around 2C north of the old baseline. If you get an uncontrolled methane release, like the one that seems like it might be starting in the Arctic, I think something as high as 10C growth is entirely possible. Human beings will not be living on this planet if the planetary average is 25C.

True, but we have the means to cool the planet pretty damned quickly if a dire need arose. Nuke China!


That wouldn't remove the CO2 or the methane from the atmosphere. The nuclear winter would clear up and then we'd have an irradiated too hot planet.
 
2012-12-07 08:14:16 PM
I would think that a complex systems analyst would realize that more people of "mainstream" society could really take an interest in his issue if he did not look like a clown.

Learned this at 13. Not a complex systems analyst.
 
2012-12-07 08:24:10 PM
This is life

For all we know we will be hit with some comet that we never see coming. We could end up in the path of gamma rays from a supernova star. Hell, one mistake launch of an ICBM and all of us are dead.

The whole world is farked and will always be farked. Aint no way getting around it
 
2012-12-07 08:24:15 PM
He cheeseweasled the math
 
2012-12-07 08:52:21 PM
When all this global warming climate change talk started, I was thinking, our great grandchildren are going to have to deal with this problem. Now, I am thinking, shiat ... weather is already making a fast turn into the crapper. We're seeing the beginnings of this already, in our lifetimes.

/yes, life on Earth is farked
//we'll get over it, or die trying
///last time this happened, a few thousand human beings survived, eating seaweed
 
2012-12-07 08:56:42 PM
Pushing thru the market square, so many mothers sighing
News had just come over, we had five years left to cry in
 
2012-12-07 08:59:09 PM
Math does not prove anything. It is a human construct we apply to the universe and it is never totally accurate. Sure, we can land a robot on mars with the right equations, but every single one of those equations took centuries to develop and refine and tweak based on observational evidence so they give acceptable answers. None of them are pure math. They all have a margin of error.
 
2012-12-07 09:08:25 PM
So he's saying loss of resistance is futile?
 
2012-12-07 09:09:37 PM

Sgygus: When all this global warming climate change talk started, I was thinking, our great grandchildren are going to have to deal with this problem. Now, I am thinking, shiat ... weather is already making a fast turn into the crapper. We're seeing the beginnings of this already, in our lifetimes.

/yes, life on Earth is farked
//we'll get over it, or die trying
///last time this happened, a few thousand human beings survived, eating seaweed


I as well am awaiting our destruction. Those damn Reptilians fooled us for the last time. We won't be able to undo their damage until we destroy all the black helicopters.
 
2012-12-07 09:14:55 PM

cman: Sgygus: When all this global warming climate change talk started, I was thinking, our great grandchildren are going to have to deal with this problem. Now, I am thinking, shiat ... weather is already making a fast turn into the crapper. We're seeing the beginnings of this already, in our lifetimes.

/yes, life on Earth is farked
//we'll get over it, or die trying
///last time this happened, a few thousand human beings survived, eating seaweed

I as well am awaiting our destruction. Those damn Reptilians fooled us for the last time. We won't be able to undo their damage until we destroy all the black helicopters.


That's racist!

We'll have to destroy ALL helicopters, just to be safe.
 
2012-12-07 09:24:41 PM

Equilibrist: So he's saying loss of resistance is futile?


Someone told him about the statue.
 
2012-12-07 09:25:46 PM
"About 150,000 years ago, there seems to have been some major climatic events that probably contributed ... the population size was driven down to probably as low as 2,000 individuals, perhaps just a few hundred individuals ... we were on the brink of extinction."

We don't need Reptilians to fear, cman.
 
2012-12-07 09:33:07 PM

Sgygus: "About 150,000 years ago, there seems to have been some major climatic events that probably contributed ... the population size was driven down to probably as low as 2,000 individuals, perhaps just a few hundred individuals ... we were on the brink of extinction."

We don't need Reptilians to fear, cman.


My apologies, I guess my statement did not portray what was in my mind. I understood what I did wrong, in that in my haste to have snark, I left out half my point.

What I was attempting to say was that we are too damn paranoid. There are things we can never be able to control. It is best to live for the moment instead of hunkering down scared of the future.
 
2012-12-07 09:39:32 PM
Apology gladly accepted, cman.

There are things we can never be able to control. It is best to live for the moment instead of hunkering down scared of the future.

Word to live by (if you don't have children).
 
2012-12-07 10:13:22 PM
Bah ... The earth will be fine. It's been around a long time and it's not going anywhere until the sun goes nova.
It's humanity that screwed.
 
2012-12-07 10:17:42 PM
BUY GOLD.
 
2012-12-07 10:37:47 PM
We still can't predict earthquakes, this twit has got it all figured out? And people laugh at the Mayan 12/21/12 thing....
 
2012-12-07 10:39:24 PM

GAT_00: Barfmaker: In about 4.5 billion years this will no longer be an issue.

It won't be an issue in 500 years either because the planet won't be habitable anymore.


Try not to shiat your pants too much.
 
2012-12-07 10:45:21 PM

muck4doo: We still can't predict earthquakes, this twit has got it all figured out?


We can't predict when earthquakes will occur, but we can reasonably predict that they will continue to occur. It's not a stretch to predict the demise of the earth based on some math. Of course, as the late George Carlin so eloquently stated, "The planet is fine. The people are f*cked."

btw... Italy will lick the whole earthquake prediction thing by imprisoning earthquake scientists until they get it right.
 
2012-12-07 10:48:14 PM

Fark Me To Tears: muck4doo: We still can't predict earthquakes, this twit has got it all figured out?

We can't predict when earthquakes will occur, but we can reasonably predict that they will continue to occur. It's not a stretch to predict the demise of the earth based on some math. Of course, as the late George Carlin so eloquently stated, "The planet is fine. The people are f*cked."

btw... Italy will lick the whole earthquake prediction thing by imprisoning earthquake scientists until they get it right.


I can predict meteors and comets will strike too, just not when. Ready to follow me?
 
2012-12-07 10:48:33 PM

doglover: Math does not prove anything. It is a human construct we apply to the universe and it is never totally accurate. Sure, we can land a robot on mars with the right equations, but every single one of those equations took centuries to develop and refine and tweak based on observational evidence so they give acceptable answers. None of them are pure math. They all have a margin of error.


They're ALL pure math--even calculations of margins of error are pure math. What are impure are measurements and assumptions.

Anyway, the centuries you speak of are a foundation upon which everything is built; a foundation that gets broader and deeper every day. To paraphrase Mr Box, just because they're wrong it doesn't mean the models aren't useful.

That said, since this guy looks like he's from OWS, we need to give tax cuts to Job CreatorsTM.
 
2012-12-07 10:51:51 PM

Fark Me To Tears: btw... Italy will lick the whole earthquake prediction thing by imprisoning earthquake scientists until they get it right.


Scientists fled Italy en masse after that.
 
2012-12-07 10:57:52 PM

GAT_00: Fark Me To Tears: btw... Italy will lick the whole earthquake prediction thing by imprisoning earthquake scientists until they get it right.

Scientists fled Italy en masse after that.


Well, in Italy's defense, the earthquake scientists were claiming the initial, independent prediction was wrong; itself an unsupportable claim, and one that did falsely debunk the prediction.

What interests me is the science (or lack thereof) of the initial prediction. Was that guy just lucky?
 
2012-12-07 11:29:20 PM
Meh, they've been talking about global warming since the turn of the 20th century. We came across some old government books back in the 1980s and it pointed out the climate was changing back when these books were published from 1898-1901.

Also, mind you we did come out of the Little Ice Age fairly recently. However this graph looks fairly uncomfortable:
upload.wikimedia.org
 
2012-12-07 11:37:52 PM

GAT_00: Barfmaker: In about 4.5 billion years this will no longer be an issue.

It won't be an issue in 500 years either because the planet won't be habitable anymore.


Well, not for YOU.

I have a cave.
 
2012-12-07 11:40:46 PM
Boy is he in for a surprise. In less than two weeks, 3D printed warp drives will allow Humanity to colonize the Galaxy.
 
2012-12-07 11:43:47 PM
Repeat from some time ago (Original)
 
2012-12-07 11:49:52 PM

nmemkha: Opps, cat like typing detected and all that. Let's try again ...

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Yeah, by killing 80% of the global population?

That's what it will come to.
 
2012-12-08 12:00:05 AM
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/oblig and all that
 
2012-12-08 12:05:34 AM

Quantum Apostrophe: Boy is he in for a surprise. In less than two weeks, 3D printed warp drives will allow Humanity to colonize the Galaxy.


God you are the most useless boring-ass one trick pony evar.
 
2012-12-08 12:07:56 AM
Earth, not farked. Climate conducive to optimal human life, probably farked.

/Third World countries only.
//US, Europe, Rich Asia, we'll be fine.
///Those carrier battle groups are there for a reason.
 
2012-12-08 12:14:31 AM

Shadow Blasko: Quantum Apostrophe: Boy is he in for a surprise. In less than two weeks, 3D printed warp drives will allow Humanity to colonize the Galaxy.

God you are the most useless boring-ass one trick pony evar.


He used to be interesting once, now it's just the same statements. He's like an anti-Star Trek version of Bevets.
 
2012-12-08 12:17:49 AM

Sgygus: "About 150,000 years ago, there seems to have been some major climatic events that probably contributed ... the population size was driven down to probably as low as 2,000 individuals, perhaps just a few hundred individuals ... we were on the brink of extinction."

We don't need Reptilians to fear, cman.


Back then we weren't spread to all corners of the planet. Even an event that killed 99.9% of the human race would still leave 6 million people left to repopulate the Earth.
 
2012-12-08 12:19:36 AM
Were one of the gas giants (Jupiter, for example) to be shifted from it's orbit and start a slow wander through the inner solar system, then the Earth would be farked pretty hard and deep. However, climate change or humanity's overall tendency to treat the Earth the way my Mexican neighbor treats his front yard won't damage the earth, just make it an unihabitable eyesore.

Personally I think climate change screwing humanity is a good think in the short term. Humanity needs to not be.
 
2012-12-08 12:21:58 AM

Mad_Radhu: Sgygus: "About 150,000 years ago, there seems to have been some major climatic events that probably contributed ... the population size was driven down to probably as low as 2,000 individuals, perhaps just a few hundred individuals ... we were on the brink of extinction."

We don't need Reptilians to fear, cman.

Back then we weren't spread to all corners of the planet. Even an event that killed 99.9% of the human race would still leave 6 million people left to repopulate the Earth.


I think we can nudge that percentage higher. It'll take some effort, but it can be done.
 
2012-12-08 12:30:06 AM

PapaChester: I would think that a complex systems analyst would realize that more people of "mainstream" society could really take an interest in his issue if he did not look like a clown.

Learned this at 13. Not a complex systems analyst.


He's probably still a lot smarter than you.

Sorry.
 
2012-12-08 12:32:55 AM

cman: Sgygus: "About 150,000 years ago, there seems to have been some major climatic events that probably contributed ... the population size was driven down to probably as low as 2,000 individuals, perhaps just a few hundred individuals ... we were on the brink of extinction."

We don't need Reptilians to fear, cman.

My apologies, I guess my statement did not portray what was in my mind. I understood what I did wrong, in that in my haste to have snark, I left out half my point.

What I was attempting to say was that we are too damn paranoid. There are things we can never be able to control. It is best to live for the moment instead of hunkering down scared of the future.


Otherwise known as the Crack Whore Philosophy.

Hope that works out for you.
 
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