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2012-12-07 07:58:27 PM  

Verzio: LordJiro: Well, except that his marijuana stances are one of several things actual liberals (as opposed to the centrists that compose most of the Democratic party) criticize him on fairly frequently. Y'know, kinda blowing the "Obamessiah" meme out of the water in the process?

Yeah, the liberals are really tough on Obama; you can tell because they ran a primary challenge against him in order to force him to address their issues.


Eh, sitting presidents almost never face primary challenges, it says nothing about how libs feel about how Obama is doing.
 
2012-12-07 08:02:13 PM  
Is this guy aware that what he is doing is highly illegal in the state of Washington? Why would he admit to criminal actions to reporters like this?

You have to be licensed to sell marijuana in Washington, and nobody is licensed yet. So yeah... Kinda breaking the law there buddy, and while the police are looking the other way right now at people smoking in public, that doesn't mean they are ignoring people selling the stuff, especially ones doing so in such open and blatant disregard for the law.
 
2012-12-07 08:03:03 PM  

D_Evans45: Just Imagine the impotent rage the conservative cops must feel now when they cant harass and imprison peaceful pot smokers anymore! LOL

Suck it, piggies, and the rest of you dumb fu*ks who still think prohibition is a good idea.

/Wish I could smoke


Uh, as someone who likes to get potted up, this is bullshiat, at least where I live. Cops are not looking to cite people with small amounts of cannabis (they are never arrested). Most cases involving small amounts have a larger crime, like DUI, attached to them, and the possession aspect is usually dismissed if the accused takes a plea.
As a Coloradan, I voted for 64, but I think little will change, i.e., can't smoke in public, in vehicles, etc., but what is new is the legality of growing multiple plants.

/potted
//up
 
2012-12-07 08:08:21 PM  

fusillade762: Gyrfalcon: fusillade762: OnlyM3: // can't legislate morality, right libs?

Doesn't stop the right from trying constantly.

What's morality got to do with this?

Nothing. I was just taunting the troll.


Yeah, I know. I don't answer trolls except through someone else. It encourages them.
 
2012-12-07 08:10:53 PM  

thisisyourbrainonFark: D_Evans45: Just Imagine the impotent rage the conservative cops must feel.

Uh, as someone who likes to get potted up, this is bullshiat, at least where I live.



No conservative cops in all of Washington? We've had quasi-legal pot since 1996 in California and even we have some cops with hard-ons for busting people with weed.

/I love it
 
2012-12-07 08:12:48 PM  

arentol: Is this guy aware that what he is doing is highly illegal in the state of Washington? Why would he admit to criminal actions to reporters like this?

You have to be licensed to sell marijuana in Washington, and nobody is licensed yet. So yeah... Kinda breaking the law there buddy, and while the police are looking the other way right now at people smoking in public, that doesn't mean they are ignoring people selling the stuff, especially ones doing so in such open and blatant disregard for the law.


I'm sure he's aware. FTA mentions going to various of his friends' houses. It's possible each of them has an ounce or less, and that the fee is for the cost of the tour, with the weed being "given away" gratis to tour members. Like if I were homebrewing again, I couldn't sell my beer, but I could charge $5 for an empty cup and give the beer away for free.
 
2012-12-07 08:13:23 PM  
er, 'TFA'
 
2012-12-07 08:16:31 PM  

buckler: arentol: Is this guy aware that what he is doing is highly illegal in the state of Washington? Why would he admit to criminal actions to reporters like this?

You have to be licensed to sell marijuana in Washington, and nobody is licensed yet. So yeah... Kinda breaking the law there buddy, and while the police are looking the other way right now at people smoking in public, that doesn't mean they are ignoring people selling the stuff, especially ones doing so in such open and blatant disregard for the law.

I'm sure he's aware. FTA mentions going to various of his friends' houses. It's possible each of them has an ounce or less, and that the fee is for the cost of the tour, with the weed being "given away" gratis to tour members. Like if I were homebrewing again, I couldn't sell my beer, but I could charge $5 for an empty cup and give the beer away for free.


Precisely. Nothing illegal and he'll make a fortune.
 
2012-12-07 08:18:10 PM  

D_Evans45: thisisyourbrainonFark: D_Evans45: Just Imagine the impotent rage the conservative cops must feel.

Uh, as someone who likes to get potted up, this is bullshiat, at least where I live.


No conservative cops in all of Washington? We've had quasi-legal pot since 1996 in California and even we have some cops with hard-ons for busting people with weed.

/I love it


I love it, as well, but again, not true. Do you really think even the most conservative cops are walking up to people and demanding that they empty their pockets to check for cannabis and paraphernalia? I deal with cops and prosecutors on a regular basis, and, since 64 passed, have asked them about this: There is always another crime, not just small amounts of weed.

/passes the Steve Doocy on the left-hand side
 
2012-12-07 08:21:36 PM  

thisisyourbrainonFark: Sadly it appears it's strictly the cannaboid molecules the brainiacs are studying. Not the smoking, ingesting, whathaveyou. Still promising, me thinks.


THIS. Please don't claim pot smoking prevents cancer, or lung disease. It's been shown it doesn't. Vaporization or ingestion is much safer.

thisisyourbrainonFark: netizencain: Hooray for carcinogen and fungus inhalation!

"Through many detailed experiments, handily summarised in this recent article in the journal Nature Reviews Cancer, scientists have discovered that various cannabinoids (both natural and synthetic) have a wide range of effects in the lab, including:

* Triggering cell death, through a mechanism called apoptosis
* Stopping cells from dividing
* Preventing new blood vessels from growing into tumours
* Reducing the chances of cancer cells spreading through the body, by stopping cells from moving or invading neighbouring tissue
* Speeding up the cell's internal 'waste disposal machine' - a process known as autophagy - which can lead to cell death

Link

/But please, thrill us with your acumen


You do know there's a complete difference between In Vitro, and In vivo studies, right? Lots of compounds that show in vitro effects on cancer cell lines are completely useless in vivo.

Cancer woo is shameful. Don't promote it.
 
2012-12-07 08:23:05 PM  
I have to agree with the people calling him a criminal and an idiot. You cannot distribute marijuana without a license. The liquor control board isn't even close to being able to license yet. Plus, smoking in public is prohibited anyway.

The disregard for this new law is amazing. Can't people just wait a year and buy it legally? Are you really going to ruin 40 years effort to change these laws by completely ignoring the restrictions put into them that allowed them to pass? It's just asking for a backlash against it. Go to the liquor control board's website, sign up for alerts and you can see history in the making. There is no need to jump the gun.
 
2012-12-07 08:23:29 PM  

OnlyM3: Well thankfully obamessiah is a drug user as well and would never persecute folks doing exactly what he did(does). 


// can't legislate morality, right libs?


Youtube video as evidence mixed with right winged political derp. It's nice to see you're still the same old you, M3.
 
2012-12-07 08:25:09 PM  

adenosine: I have to agree with the people calling him a criminal and an idiot. You cannot distribute marijuana without a license. The liquor control board isn't even close to being able to license yet. Plus, smoking in public is prohibited anyway.

The disregard for this new law is amazing. Can't people just wait a year and buy it legally? Are you really going to ruin 40 years effort to change these laws by completely ignoring the restrictions put into them that allowed them to pass? It's just asking for a backlash against it. Go to the liquor control board's website, sign up for alerts and you can see history in the making. There is no need to jump the gun.


Not to mention he's just poking the dynamite monkey that is the FDA to come down on him for selling an unapproved substance who's only official legitimate use (According to the FDA, that is.) is as an appetite induction agent in Chemotherapy and HIV Wasting Syndrome.
 
2012-12-07 08:29:59 PM  
Anyone know how much pot costs (or maybe will cost in the near future as people get set up) at a store vs on the street now in one of the jurisdictions where it's become legal? I'm even wondering if in places like Washington where it just became completely legal as opposed to only for "medical" use whether it disappears from the street entirely or at least trafficking goes way down because people would rather buy it from a legit business than from random sleazeballs selling stuff of unknown quality.
 
2012-12-07 08:30:13 PM  
It's good to see that capitalism is alive and well.
 
2012-12-07 08:36:50 PM  
I strongly recommend the book "Pot, Inc." by Greg Campbell. It's a good, honest, and by the end emotional book about Colorado's move to decriminalize weed for medicinal purposes, the precursor to this year's legalization vote.
 
2012-12-07 08:39:48 PM  
So does Expedia bundle this type or tour yet or do I really have to do it myself? I've smoked entirely too much tonight to make any reasonable vacation decisions.

Or maybe this is the best time to make vacation decisions....
 
2012-12-07 08:43:44 PM  

megarian: So does Expedia bundle this type or tour yet or do I really have to do it myself? I've smoked entirely too much tonight to make any reasonable vacation decisions.

Or maybe this is the best time to make vacation decisions....


...this type of tour...

Wow.
 
2012-12-07 08:47:54 PM  

PlatinumDragon: You can almost feel the first cracks in the dam opening.


This! Quick, somebody make a joke about conservatives putting their fingers in a dike.

adenosine: I have to agree with the people calling him a criminal and an idiot. You cannot distribute marijuana without a license. The liquor control board isn't even close to being able to license yet. Plus, smoking in public is prohibited anyway.

The disregard for this new law is amazing. Can't people just wait a year and buy it legally? Are you really going to ruin 40 years effort to change these laws by completely ignoring the restrictions put into them that allowed them to pass? It's just asking for a backlash against it. Go to the liquor control board's website, sign up for alerts and you can see history in the making. There is no need to jump the gun.


If only there existed a thing that changes your perception of time, makes waiting for something easier, or that can aid in changing your perspective.
 
2012-12-07 08:49:07 PM  

buckler: arentol: Is this guy aware that what he is doing is highly illegal in the state of Washington? Why would he admit to criminal actions to reporters like this?

You have to be licensed to sell marijuana in Washington, and nobody is licensed yet. So yeah... Kinda breaking the law there buddy, and while the police are looking the other way right now at people smoking in public, that doesn't mean they are ignoring people selling the stuff, especially ones doing so in such open and blatant disregard for the law.

I'm sure he's aware. FTA mentions going to various of his friends' houses. It's possible each of them has an ounce or less, and that the fee is for the cost of the tour, with the weed being "given away" gratis to tour members. Like if I were homebrewing again, I couldn't sell my beer, but I could charge $5 for an empty cup and give the beer away for free.


I'm not so sure he's aware and I don't think the law works like that. If you're advertising a weed tour, and say that weed is included in the price, then you're selling weed. If you advertise it as a regular tour which is weed friendly, and then give out weed along the way, that would be fine.
 
2012-12-07 08:52:39 PM  
I wrote a job application for a vaporizer company while stoned out of my mind one time... basically exactly like you think it would look like. They contacted me: Thanks, but no thanks, PS - we all got a good laugh out of it.
 
2012-12-07 08:56:31 PM  

OnlyM3: // can't legislate morality, right libs?


Is this where I point out that every single law written during the whole of human history is legislated morality? Tax codes, Roe v. Wade, oil platform regulation, education mandate, etc. are allllllllll morality-turned-statute. That's what law is.
 
2012-12-07 08:59:31 PM  
this whole thing is freaking awesome. and it's about goddamn time.
 
2012-12-07 09:05:24 PM  
jjorsett: trafficking goes way down because people would rather buy it from a legit business than from random sleazeballs

In legal weed states, pot prices will plummet and quality will be that of medical standards. The only trafficking will be to children.

/won't anyone think of the children?
 
2012-12-07 09:07:22 PM  

Frederf: OnlyM3: // can't legislate morality, right libs?

Is this where I point out that every single law written during the whole of human history is legislated morality? Tax codes, Roe v. Wade, oil platform regulation, education mandate, etc. are allllllllll morality-turned-statute. That's what law is.


But what about that one law that says not to ki...no, wait. Well how about providing for a comm...hmm. fark. This changes everything. No large sodas or riding a motorcycle without a helmet for anyone, because morality!
 
2012-12-07 09:13:42 PM  
To embed
 
2012-12-07 09:16:57 PM  
Where's the Mountain Dew?
 
2012-12-07 09:19:06 PM  

Indubitably: To embed

Or not to embed.

 
2012-12-07 09:22:31 PM  
Cali needs to join the Left Coast revolution...stat!
 
2012-12-07 09:24:00 PM  
Walla walla bing bang
www.treecomics.com
 
2012-12-07 09:26:40 PM  

buckler: arentol: Is this guy aware that what he is doing is highly illegal in the state of Washington? Why would he admit to criminal actions to reporters like this?

You have to be licensed to sell marijuana in Washington, and nobody is licensed yet. So yeah... Kinda breaking the law there buddy, and while the police are looking the other way right now at people smoking in public, that doesn't mean they are ignoring people selling the stuff, especially ones doing so in such open and blatant disregard for the law.

I'm sure he's aware. FTA mentions going to various of his friends' houses. It's possible each of them has an ounce or less, and that the fee is for the cost of the tour, with the weed being "given away" gratis to tour members. Like if I were homebrewing again, I couldn't sell my beer, but I could charge $5 for an empty cup and give the beer away for free.


Charging for an empty cup won't fool the cops or the courts if they want to bust you.
 
2012-12-07 09:28:54 PM  
I wonder how many people have absolutely no understanding of how the new law works and are getting ready to just open up a shop somewhere and start selling to everyone.
 
2012-12-07 09:33:28 PM  

thisisyourbrainonFark: D_Evans45:

I love it, as well, but again, not true. Do you really think even the most conservative cops are walking up to people and demanding that they empty their pockets to check for cannabis and paraphernalia?



Oh shut up dumbass, you're just trying to be contrary, just like you were in the other pot thread a couple days ago. Where did I say the cops were walking up and pocket checking anyone? You gonna derp out again and start correcting grammar that doesnt need to be corrected?

/You must smoke some shiatty, shiatty weed
 
2012-12-07 09:35:29 PM  
Jument: Charging for an empty cup won't fool the cops or the courts.

Mayhaps the tour will visit eating and drinking establishments that don't charge for the freely shared herbs, but do very well in tips.
 
2012-12-07 09:36:26 PM  

D_Evans45: thisisyourbrainonFark: D_Evans45:

I love it, as well, but again, not true. Do you really think even the most conservative cops are walking up to people and demanding that they empty their pockets to check for cannabis and paraphernalia?


Oh shut up dumbass, you're just trying to be contrary, just like you were in the other pot thread a couple days ago. Where did I say the cops were walking up and pocket checking anyone? You gonna derp out again and start correcting grammar that doesnt need to be corrected?

/You must smoke some shiatty, shiatty weed


If I throw a dimebag, will you two fight over it? It could be like Slow-Motion Bumfights!
 
2012-12-07 09:44:12 PM  

BronyMedic: D_Evans45: ...

If I throw a dimebag, will you two fight over it? It could be like Slow-Motion Bumfights!



I don't smoke anymore, but this dude could probably use some of your weed. His obviously isn't doing the trick.

/Also, nobody says "dime bag" anymore
//You gotta like, get with the times bro
 
2012-12-07 09:51:25 PM  

NobleHam: buckler: arentol: Is this guy aware that what he is doing is highly illegal in the state of Washington? Why would he admit to criminal actions to reporters like this?

You have to be licensed to sell marijuana in Washington, and nobody is licensed yet. So yeah... Kinda breaking the law there buddy, and while the police are looking the other way right now at people smoking in public, that doesn't mean they are ignoring people selling the stuff, especially ones doing so in such open and blatant disregard for the law.

I'm sure he's aware. FTA mentions going to various of his friends' houses. It's possible each of them has an ounce or less, and that the fee is for the cost of the tour, with the weed being "given away" gratis to tour members. Like if I were homebrewing again, I couldn't sell my beer, but I could charge $5 for an empty cup and give the beer away for free.

I'm not so sure he's aware and I don't think the law works like that. If you're advertising a weed tour, and say that weed is included in the price, then you're selling weed. If you advertise it as a regular tour which is weed friendly, and then give out weed along the way, that would be fine.


Of for crissake. Some of you are paranoid and obtuse. The guy is conducting a tour, the price is for the tour. Weed samplings are complimentary gifts. He f*cked up by announcing to the media that the weed was included in the price; had he phrased it as complimentary samples it would have been better.
 
2012-12-07 09:58:21 PM  
Problem is giving it away is still illegal...
 
2012-12-07 10:06:35 PM  
WA's law is very strict. Heck, even medical marijuana laws in some other states are more loose than WA's, that is if you're a patient.

Not having any legal means to actually get the weed from someone and also not being able to grow your own kinda makes the whole thing a bit of a cock suck. If the feds somehow block the state from selling weed a year from now or whenever they attempt it, then the black market will continue to thrive as it does today. Then their new law will be more like decriminalization, rather than legalization.
 
2012-12-07 10:11:20 PM  
Fjornir: Problem is giving it away is still illegal.

No, it isn't. Not in legal weed state.
 
2012-12-07 10:12:53 PM  

adenosine: I have to agree with the people calling him a criminal and an idiot. You cannot distribute marijuana without a license. The liquor control board isn't even close to being able to license yet. Plus, smoking in public is prohibited anyway.

The disregard for this new law is amazing. Can't people just wait a year and buy it legally? Are you really going to ruin 40 years effort to change these laws by completely ignoring the restrictions put into them that allowed them to pass? It's just asking for a backlash against it. Go to the liquor control board's website, sign up for alerts and you can see history in the making. There is no need to jump the gun.


I don't know Spokane well, but people have been openly selling weed in PDX for at least since I got here in 95. Like, openly displayed and smoked right on the waterfront, with a precinct nearby. Seattle police haven't prioritized weed either. IMO, we've been disregarding the old law for a hell of a long time. We disregarded the medical law too. They aren't putting the genie back in the bottle this time. IMO, smoking some weed in public is just a small, reasonable reaction to the passage of this law, particularly when Seattle PD declares they will only issue warnings for now.

If the State makes it fairly easy to set up a new weed business, the feds won't be able to stop it. It'll be like playing whack-a-mole.
 
2012-12-07 10:19:53 PM  

thisisyourbrainonFark: Most cases involving small amounts have a larger crime, like DUI, attached to them, and the possession aspect is usually dismissed if the accused takes a plea.


It's going to be fun to watch the pot-induced DUI cases stack up. I wonder how many people need to be killed on the roads by people under the influence of legally-smoled pot before this nonsense finally gets repealed. It's not going to work, folks. Just how stupid is the whole thing going to be allowed to get before you're willing to admit it?
 
2012-12-07 10:20:17 PM  

OnlyM3: ZAZ

That's daring the feds to come and get him. He's promoting marijuana use a lot more than concert organizers targeted by the RAVE act. He'd better be too poor to make asset forfeiture worthwhile.
Well thankfully obamessiah is a drug user as well and would never persecute folks doing exactly what he did(does). 


// can't legislate morality, right libs?


Ooooooo, he smoked some weed once, whoopdee-farking-doo. He's still doing better than the entirety of the right, who are desperate to destroy America out of hate and spite.

Besides, isn't legislating morality something that the right is constantly trying to do?

/might want to stop worshiping Obama as The Messiah, The Anointed One, etc, you might make your real God angry
//funny how much Republicans treat Obama like God and then scream that the left is the one doing it
 
2012-12-07 10:22:31 PM  

Fark Me To Tears: thisisyourbrainonFark: Most cases involving small amounts have a larger crime, like DUI, attached to them, and the possession aspect is usually dismissed if the accused takes a plea.

It's going to be fun to watch the pot alcohol-induced DUI cases stack up. I wonder how many people need to be killed on the roads by people under the influence of legally-smoled potdrunk alcohol before this nonsense finally gets repealed. It's not going to work, folks. Just how stupid is the whole thing going to be allowed to get before you're willing to admit it?


One dangerous mind-altering substance is fine, but another dangerous mind-altering substance is horrible and evil?
 
2012-12-07 10:31:24 PM  

Hale-Bopp: I wonder how many people have absolutely no understanding of how the new law works and are getting ready to just open up a shop somewhere and start selling to everyone.


A lot, probably; but they're stoned, so it won't come to anything.
 
2012-12-07 10:32:48 PM  

Fark Me To Tears: It's going to be fun to watch the pot-induced DUI cases stack up. I wonder how many people need to be killed on the roads by people under the influence of legally-smoled pot before this nonsense finally gets repealed. It's not going to work, folks. Just how stupid is the whole thing going to be allowed to get before you're willing to admit it?



There is no significant population waiting to rush out and try weed for the first time. There may be a few people here and there, but by and large everyone who wants to smoke pot already smokes pot. These laws were enacted so that existing potheads stop getting harassed for possessing trivial amounts. There is no huge population of potheads swerving around the roads and causing wrecks like drunk. Youre expecting way too much.
 
2012-12-07 10:49:10 PM  

D_Evans45: BronyMedic: D_Evans45: ...

If I throw a dimebag, will you two fight over it? It could be like Slow-Motion Bumfights!


I don't smoke anymore, but this dude could probably use some of your weed. His obviously isn't doing the trick.

/Also, nobody says "dime bag" anymore
//You gotta like, get with the times bro


Lutz. Logic sucks, eh?
 
2012-12-07 10:53:13 PM  

BronyMedic: Cancer woo is shameful. Don't promote it.


Lost a sister last year to two very painful forms of the disease. Didn't think I was promoting sham science, just saying some of it, from a layman's view, may be promising.
 
2012-12-07 11:00:37 PM  

thisisyourbrainonFark: BronyMedic: Cancer woo is shameful. Don't promote it.

Lost a sister last year to two very painful forms of the disease. Didn't think I was promoting sham science, just saying some of it, from a layman's view, may be promising.


I'm sorry to hear that. I've lost two in my family to cancer, and I had a scare with a pre-melanomic mole two years ago on my shoulders. (Kids, listen to your parents when they tell you to use sunscreen.)

I'm rather sensitive to Cancer Woo because a good friend of mine, and a damn fine Paramedic, used the Gearson diet instead of chemotherapy for an initially treatable cancer that became metastatic by the time he went for actual medical treatment.

You're not promoting a sham science, per say. There is a great amount of promise in cannabanoid research at the moment in a lot of aspects, especially pain control and cancer therapy. But the problem is promoting false hope, or giving credence to those who would do so. There exists a lot of woo right now around marijuana and it's use in medical care, versus what it is proven effective for, and weeding out the FUD from the non-FUD is challenging, simply because a LOT of the conditions that it's been touted as effective for (MS, Dementia, HIV (without wasting disease/syndrome - we know it's very safe, except a very small, specific population in which it's not - schizophrenia.), in reality there's not enough literature to support a position statement on.

And then, you have people who are slime of the earth - people like Gary Null, Mike Adams, and the like - who tout it as a cure for diseases. These people deserve a cockpunch.
 
2012-12-07 11:07:53 PM  

BronyMedic: thisisyourbrainonFark: BronyMedic: Cancer woo is shameful. Don't promote it.

Lost a sister last year to two very painful forms of the disease. Didn't think I was promoting sham science, just saying some of it, from a layman's view, may be promising.

I'm sorry to hear that. I've lost two in my family to cancer, and I had a scare with a pre-melanomic mole two years ago on my shoulders. (Kids, listen to your parents when they tell you to use sunscreen.)

I'm rather sensitive to Cancer Woo because a good friend of mine, and a damn fine Paramedic, used the Gearson diet instead of chemotherapy for an initially treatable cancer that became metastatic by the time he went for actual medical treatment.

You're not promoting a sham science, per say. There is a great amount of promise in cannabanoid research at the moment in a lot of aspects, especially pain control and cancer therapy. But the problem is promoting false hope, or giving credence to those who would do so. There exists a lot of woo right now around marijuana and it's use in medical care, versus what it is proven effective for, and weeding out the FUD from the non-FUD is challenging, simply because a LOT of the conditions that it's been touted as effective for (MS, Dementia, HIV (without wasting disease/syndrome - we know it's very safe, except a very small, specific population in which it's not - schizophrenia.), in reality there's not enough literature to support a position statement on.

And then, you have people who are slime of the earth - people like Gary Null, Mike Adams, and the like - who tout it as a cure for diseases. These people deserve a cockpunch.


Condolences as well. And I get your point about what to promote sans definitive results.

I think we can agree, fark cancer in its ear.
 
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