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2012-12-07 05:00:28 PM
He's right you know... only reason Mitt isn't in the Whitehouse is that republicans had issues getting out the vote, not January 20th yet. You can bet 2016 will be a different story - less Dem gerrymandering and a charged republican base will sweep.

/ 539 electoral votes - count on it.
 
2012-12-07 05:38:47 PM
Subby, you nut, that's not at all what this editorial says. It says Republicans got shellacked in terms of getting minority votes and so are finally willing to genuinely work on real immigration reform (and to consider something other than an enforcement-only, build-a-fence approach). The author suggests Obama should take the opportunity to work with them to get something done.

It doesn't have anything to do with getting Republican votes. What would Obama need them for? Winning a third term? No, this is about Republicans wanting to get a few Latino votes for their party.
 
2012-12-07 05:40:00 PM

Elzar: He's right you know... only reason Mitt isn't in the Whitehouse is that republicans had issues getting out the vote, not January 20th yet. You can bet 2016 will be a different story - less Dem gerrymandering and a charged republican base will sweep.

/ 539 electoral votes - count on it.


Pfft. RINO. 3000 EV and all of the Dems will commit seppuku out of sheer chagrin so DC will be 100% GOP. Obummer's usurpation will be stricken from the record, Sarah Palin will be named "Auntie Sam" and Rush Limbaugh's likeness will be added to the top of the Washington Monument. Which will fall over from the added weight 3 months later. But it will fall on a group of dammed liebural hippies protesting Uniform Christian Conformity Anti-Homo Act so all will be well.
 
2012-12-07 07:04:57 PM
These are actually good ideas, so much so that Democrats shouldn't reflexively block them even if they are Republican ones. I'm not a big fan of either DREAM or the Achieve Act for other reasons; but they need to be pursued if there's to be a hope of immigration reform.

Anything that is a step away from the fence&moat mentality of the Republicans for the last 10 years is an amazing thing and should be welcomed. Regardless of their venal or craven motives.
 
2012-12-07 07:07:10 PM

Gyrfalcon: These are actually good ideas, so much so that Democrats shouldn't reflexively block them even if they are Republican ones. I'm not a big fan of either DREAM or the Achieve Act for other reasons; but they need to be pursued if there's to be a hope of immigration reform.

Anything that is a step away from the fence&moat mentality of the Republicans for the last 10 years is an amazing thing and should be welcomed. Regardless of their venal or craven motives.


Heh, the moat Idea is a good one. We just need to fill it with saltwater crocs and sharks with laser beams.
 
2012-12-07 07:09:45 PM
Obama has said he can't repair the nation's immigration system alone. It now seems Republicans may offer a much-needed hand.

This is evidenced by Gov. Jan Brewer denying driver's licenses be issued to undocumented immigrants granted temporary relief from deportation by a new Obama administration directive. See how helpful that is and how much they've learned about courting the Hispanic vote?

BTW, what the holy fark was she doing in Afghanistan? First you've got Maricopa sheriffs running around Hawaii and now a Governor in Afghanistan.
 
2012-12-07 07:24:45 PM
Sure worked with Obamacare.
 
2012-12-07 07:24:50 PM
Kick the football, Charlie Brown! Come on! I'll hold it steady for you!
 
2012-12-07 07:24:59 PM
He's calling on Obama to become active in getting immigration reform passed. Good.

At a minimum, we need one of those components, a guest worker program, sooner rather than later.

Do it now while the sting of Latino rejection of the Republicans is fresh.
 
2012-12-07 07:26:37 PM
The problem with that suggestion is, well...

i.imgur.com
 
2012-12-07 07:35:38 PM

LordJiro: The problem with that suggestion is, well...

[i.imgur.com image 500x400]


came here to post this.

+1
 
2012-12-07 07:36:18 PM

Soup4Bonnie: BTW, what the holy fark was she doing in Afghanistan?


Hoping it was to scare the Taliban with that awful, leathery face of hers.
 
2012-12-07 07:45:54 PM
1.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-12-07 07:46:35 PM
Whenever Obama supports conservative policy, conservatives find a new goalpost that exploits the poor like a fourth world country.
 
2012-12-07 07:47:57 PM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass: Sure worked with Obamacare.


Hey, in the 90s, when Republicans came up with it as an alternative to the outright socialism of Hillarycare, it was a solid idea. Now, it's outright socialism. Or something.
 
2012-12-07 07:49:15 PM

Gyrfalcon: Anything that is a step away from the fence&moat mentality of the Republicans for the last 10 years is an amazing thing and should be welcomed. Regardless of their venal or craven motives.


I wonder how many Latinos will be fooled into voting R? Seems to be pretty transparent pandering. Not that I'm saying these measures are necessarily bad ideas.
 
2012-12-07 07:49:31 PM
Unfortunately for Republicans, Obama no longer needs to get re-elected.
 
2012-12-07 07:53:12 PM

fusillade762: Gyrfalcon: Anything that is a step away from the fence&moat mentality of the Republicans for the last 10 years is an amazing thing and should be welcomed. Regardless of their venal or craven motives.

I wonder how many Latinos will be fooled into voting R? Seems to be pretty transparent pandering. Not that I'm saying these measures are necessarily bad ideas.


Probably none. As you say, it's transparently pandering, and nobody's falling for it. My guess is the Hispanic leaders will support the measures--and still vote (D).
 
2012-12-07 07:57:07 PM

Summoner101: Unfortunately for Republicans, Obama no longer needs to get re-elected.


Also unfortunately for them, Americans are, rightfully, blaming them for the 'fiscal cliff' bullshiat, so they can't just say 'Fark it, we'll go over' and blame any problems on the Democrats.

They're in a lose-lose situation. Either they give Obama the tax hikes for the rich he wants, or we go over the cliff. If we go over the cliff, Obama STILL gets his hikes for the rich, as well as hikes on everyone else, at which point Obama would likely push for tax cuts for the non-wealthy. If Republicans oppose that as well, that'd almost certainly result in huge losses in 2014.

Obama set them up for this. Glorious.
 
2012-12-07 08:10:32 PM

LordJiro: Summoner101: Unfortunately for Republicans, Obama no longer needs to get re-elected.

Also unfortunately for them, Americans are, rightfully, blaming them for the 'fiscal cliff' bullshiat, so they can't just say 'Fark it, we'll go over' and blame any problems on the Democrats.

They're in a lose-lose situation. Either they give Obama the tax hikes for the rich he wants, or we go over the cliff. If we go over the cliff, Obama STILL gets his hikes for the rich, as well as hikes on everyone else, at which point Obama would likely push for tax cuts for the non-wealthy. If Republicans oppose that as well, that'd almost certainly result in huge losses in 2014.

Obama set them up for this. Glorious.


Or not. Cliff. Markets plunge. Credit rating lowered. Financial mess. New recession. Hardly glorious.
 
2012-12-07 08:11:15 PM
Republicans: "We're still relevant"
Obama:  "republicanssayswhat?"
 
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2012-12-07 08:21:54 PM
nuckingfutsmama.com
 
2012-12-07 08:42:18 PM

Cletus C.: Or not. Cliff. Markets plunge. Credit rating lowered


If by "cliff" you mean "a return to the late 90s" then sure
 
2012-12-07 08:53:08 PM
Shall I once again bring up the Sportsmen's Act as a reason why this won't work?

/Conservative policy is only conservative policy when a Republican brings it up.
//When a Democrat brings it up, it's ebil librul soshulism.
 
2012-12-07 09:16:28 PM

Cletus C.: LordJiro: Summoner101: Unfortunately for Republicans, Obama no longer needs to get re-elected.

Also unfortunately for them, Americans are, rightfully, blaming them for the 'fiscal cliff' bullshiat, so they can't just say 'Fark it, we'll go over' and blame any problems on the Democrats.

They're in a lose-lose situation. Either they give Obama the tax hikes for the rich he wants, or we go over the cliff. If we go over the cliff, Obama STILL gets his hikes for the rich, as well as hikes on everyone else, at which point Obama would likely push for tax cuts for the non-wealthy. If Republicans oppose that as well, that'd almost certainly result in huge losses in 2014.

Obama set them up for this. Glorious.

Or not. Cliff. Markets plunge. Credit rating lowered. Financial mess. New recession. Hardly glorious.


Perhaps, then, the Republican party should not have placed the country in such a situation; the situation, of course, is entirely based upon them receiving 98% of what they wanted during the 2011 "debt ceiling" negotiations.
 
2012-12-07 09:18:46 PM
Subby, how can Obama support conservative policies when all conservative policies consist of is opposition to everything and anything that Obama supports? That'd be dividing by zero.
 
2012-12-07 09:31:07 PM
Obama: What WOULD the losers do?

I love love LOVE how all the Republicans got from the last election was their messaging was off. And not at all that many of their policies are harmful to the American people. They look more and more like a caricature every day.

Of course, they also keep getting re-elected, so there you go. *shrug*
 
2012-12-07 10:26:41 PM
So, Republicans saw that their racist rhetoric lost them the coveted Latino vote and they are already starting the pandering process in anticipation of 2016? This kind of transparent B.S. isn't gonna get Marco Rubio in the White House in 4 years.
 
2012-12-07 10:51:00 PM

Gyrfalcon: These are actually good ideas, so much so that Democrats shouldn't reflexively block them even if they are Republican ones. I'm not a big fan of either DREAM or the Achieve Act for other reasons; but they need to be pursued if there's to be a hope of immigration reform.

Anything that is a step away from the fence&moat mentality of the Republicans for the last 10 years is an amazing thing and should be welcomed. Regardless of their venal or craven motives.


Neither are Republican ideas though. They just took Democratic ideas, ruined them, and then submitted them as their own.

The Republican visa program eliminates visas in one area to allow them in another, rather than increasing visas.

And the ACHIEVE act doesn't even make sense to me. They want illegal immigrants (or a special subset of them) to register themselves with the federal government, while they attend college or serve in the military. If they serve in the military for four years or get a degree within six years, they 'win' permanent nonimmigrant status. With that same degree they could already get an H-1B visa, so I'm not sure what the benefit really is. The downside, of course, is that if you fail to complete your education within 6 years, you are in the country illegally, and you were dumb enough to give all your info to ICE.

At least with the DREAM Act, students who graduate are moved up on a pathway to actual citizenship.

So I don't think Democrats are rejecting anything out-of-hand. They just don't see the point in helping Republicans look good by passing legislation that doesn't actually have any real benefit.

// If Republicans want to get a larger percentage of the Latino vote, they can help come up with a comprehensive immigration reform plan that actually makes sense and treats people like human beings.
 
2012-12-07 11:06:40 PM
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"If that dagburn Dimmycrat varmint is FER it, AAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH'm AGIN it!"
 
2012-12-07 11:17:35 PM

Gyrfalcon: fusillade762: Gyrfalcon: Anything that is a step away from the fence&moat mentality of the Republicans for the last 10 years is an amazing thing and should be welcomed. Regardless of their venal or craven motives.

I wonder how many Latinos will be fooled into voting R? Seems to be pretty transparent pandering. Not that I'm saying these measures are necessarily bad ideas.

Probably none. As you say, it's transparently pandering, and nobody's falling for it. My guess is the Hispanic leaders will support the measures--and still vote (D).


STEM and Achieve are both total shiat.
 
2012-12-08 01:17:57 AM
Hurray for ratcheting the Overton window to the right! Pretty soon, not publicly flaying Hispanic economic refugees will be considered a Communist position.
 
2012-12-08 01:44:19 AM
I think it's completely beyond belief disgusting that they only care because it will cost the 1% tax money (because they're not in control).

That's the sort of bait and switch we need to biatch about for.. hm.. how long does it take for all those baby boomers to die off, anyway? Not that the youngins are that much smarter, but at least they'll grow up with the internet ridiculing stupidity instead of the boob tube telling us it's like mom and apple pie to be balls to the wall retarded and/or evil.

fark them.
 
2012-12-08 02:00:14 AM

LordJiro: Summoner101: Unfortunately for Republicans, Obama no longer needs to get re-elected.

Also unfortunately for them, Americans are, rightfully, blaming them for the 'fiscal cliff' bullshiat, so they can't just say 'Fark it, we'll go over' and blame any problems on the Democrats.

They're in a lose-lose situation. Either they give Obama the tax hikes for the rich he wants, or we go over the cliff. If we go over the cliff, Obama STILL gets his hikes for the rich, as well as hikes on everyone else, at which point Obama would likely push for tax cuts for the non-wealthy. If Republicans oppose that as well, that'd almost certainly result in huge losses in 2014.

Obama set them up for this. Glorious.


Obama knows how to play 3D chess Spock-style while republicans can barely figure out tiddly-winks.
 
2012-12-08 02:08:36 AM

TV's Vinnie: LordJiro: Summoner101: Unfortunately for Republicans, Obama no longer needs to get re-elected.

Also unfortunately for them, Americans are, rightfully, blaming them for the 'fiscal cliff' bullshiat, so they can't just say 'Fark it, we'll go over' and blame any problems on the Democrats.

They're in a lose-lose situation. Either they give Obama the tax hikes for the rich he wants, or we go over the cliff. If we go over the cliff, Obama STILL gets his hikes for the rich, as well as hikes on everyone else, at which point Obama would likely push for tax cuts for the non-wealthy. If Republicans oppose that as well, that'd almost certainly result in huge losses in 2014.

Obama set them up for this. Glorious.

Obama knows how to play 3D chess Spock-style while republicans can barely figure out tiddly-winks.


CHECKMARK motherfarkers!
 
2012-12-08 02:21:42 AM

Serious Black: Hurray for ratcheting the Overton window to the right! Pretty soon, not publicly flaying Hispanic economic refugees will be considered a Communist position.


Yeah, we're such a far-right country nowadays that the Supreme Court is about to hear a case on gay marriage.
 
2012-12-08 02:25:23 AM

cameroncrazy1984: Serious Black: Hurray for ratcheting the Overton window to the right! Pretty soon, not publicly flaying Hispanic economic refugees will be considered a Communist position.

Yeah, we're such a far-right country nowadays that the Supreme Court is about to hear a case on gay marriage.


And I don't trust the Supreme Court to make a rational decision.
 
2012-12-08 02:26:58 AM

Gyrfalcon: These are actually good ideas, so much so that Democrats shouldn't reflexively block them even if they are Republican ones.


Far from it. Obama should absolutely adopt any Republican idea that's even remotely reasonable - but not just to get it passed. You see, as far as Republicans are concerned, Obama is Comrade Midas and anything he touches turns to socialism, so the instant Obama agrees with the idea, Republicans will run away from it, driving them even further into obscurity.

I'd love for Republicans to prove me wrong on this and actually work with Obama on something, anything. But I'm not holding my breath.
 
2012-12-08 02:48:52 AM

cameroncrazy1984: Serious Black: Hurray for ratcheting the Overton window to the right! Pretty soon, not publicly flaying Hispanic economic refugees will be considered a Communist position.

Yeah, we're such a far-right country nowadays that the Supreme Court is about to hear a case on gay marriage.


You can't deny that while we're on the path of social progress in areas like the freedom to marry, the Republicans have successfully changed the starting points of negotiations in other areas like taxes. Hell, just talking about the GOP conceivably letting a tax cut sunset is considered a big step for them. It shouldn't be, but it is.
 
2012-12-08 02:52:45 AM

LookForTheArrow: how long does it take for all those baby boomers to die off, anyway?


Don't worry, when you reach their age, your generation will sell out too.
 
2012-12-08 02:53:51 AM

Mithiwithi: Gyrfalcon: These are actually good ideas, so much so that Democrats shouldn't reflexively block them even if they are Republican ones.

Far from it. Obama should absolutely adopt any Republican idea that's even remotely reasonable - but not just to get it passed. You see, as far as Republicans are concerned, Obama is Comrade Midas and anything he touches turns to socialism, so the instant Obama agrees with the idea, Republicans will run away from it, driving them even further into obscurity.

I'd love for Republicans to prove me wrong on this and actually work with Obama on something, anything. But I'm not holding my breath.


I hope you don't mind too much, but I'm going to co-opt this because I love it so much.
 
2012-12-08 02:57:53 AM

Blue_Blazer: Gyrfalcon: fusillade762: Gyrfalcon: Anything that is a step away from the fence&moat mentality of the Republicans for the last 10 years is an amazing thing and should be welcomed. Regardless of their venal or craven motives.

I wonder how many Latinos will be fooled into voting R? Seems to be pretty transparent pandering. Not that I'm saying these measures are necessarily bad ideas.

Probably none. As you say, it's transparently pandering, and nobody's falling for it. My guess is the Hispanic leaders will support the measures--and still vote (D).

STEM and Achieve are both total shiat.


None of them are great ideas. Even the Dream Act is suspect, because it's an end run around the draft--get young men to sign up for "voluntary" involuntary military service, even while men currently in the military are denied automatic citizenship. But ANYTHING that is a step away from the current arrest-and-deport mentality should be encouraged, if only because it's a step away from that. If it forces people into thinking of alternatives, then I'll grudgingly go along with it. For now.
 
2012-12-08 06:01:54 AM
FTFA: Nevertheless, even if the proposals aren't perfect and even if they don't move forward, they indicate that Republicans are slowly recognizing that something must be done, and that more is needed than merely tighter border controls and harsher treatment of illegal immigrants. That may not seem like an enormous concession to some, but given that immigration has been on the back burner for years, it's an important shift. That's why the Obama administration and Democrats must be prepared to do their part too, and do it quickly, while Republicans are still assessing their losses.

Next step, make Republicans realize that just because you are not "American" it doesn't mean you are not a human being. Also that human rights is universal, not a special priveledge that American citizens have.

/ I know, I know. That might be too much to ask from a bunch of self-proclaimed "family value Christians".
 
2012-12-08 08:52:15 AM

Kurmudgeon: LookForTheArrow: how long does it take for all those baby boomers to die off, anyway?

Don't worry, when you reach their age, your generation will sell out too.


I'm coming up on 40, and I'm trying to figure out what it is that I'm supposedly selling out for.

By this time in their lives, the boomers went from free-loving hippies to free-wheeling yuppies. From burning their draft cards to cheering on starting land wars in Asia.

I'm just trying to make a living. And so is everyone I know. And it's no thanks to the massive run up on college tuition, basic housing, and energy prices. All of which are lining the pockets of the boomers.
 
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2012-12-08 08:53:48 AM

TV's Vinnie: [1.bp.blogspot.com image 500x364]


exactly. insanity is doing the same thing over and over again even if it doesn't work. i don't think obama is insane.
 
2012-12-08 11:41:33 AM

LordJiro: The problem with that suggestion is, well...

[i.imgur.com image 500x400]


That would be depressingly accurate only if the characters were reversed.
 
2012-12-08 12:03:50 PM

Elzar: He's right you know... only reason Mitt isn't in the Whitehouse is that republicans had issues getting out the vote, not January 20th yet. You can bet 2016 will be a different story - less Dem gerrymandering and a charged republican base will sweep.

/ 539 electoral votes - count on it.




wow, meth is a hellava' drug.
 
2012-12-08 12:05:14 PM
Having been in a coma for the last four years, columnist suggests Obama support conservative policy do/give everything the CONservatives want to garner Republican votes



Repaired it, moron.
 
2012-12-08 12:06:03 PM

Summoner101: Unfortunately for Republicans, Obama no longer needs to get re-elected.



give those Turds some time, they'll figure it out.
 
2012-12-08 12:07:23 PM
There are only two kinds of Republicans:

1) Wealthy

2) Fools
 
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