Mean Daddy: "How to Turn Critical Thinkers in to Welfare Recipients"Uhh... elect a community organizer president of the united states -- twice? Did I win an internet?
jonjr215: Plus, there are no Cliff Notes for "Recommended Levels of Insulation". Joking aside, I think this is a travesty. Love literature or hate it, I cannot see the logic in removing it from the curriculum in favor of teaching kids about insulation so they are "prepared for the working world." We have to inspire kids to succeed. Not insult them by forcing mediocrity upon them.
Grand_Moff_Joseph: dickfreckle: Spitting out a kid who can only write as though it were a technical manual is not the way to fix things.Um, what do you think the education systems of half the world have been doing for the last 20 years? Those folks may not even know who Shakespeare is, but they did a dang good job gutting our manufacturing and technology industries. Perhaps we need to fight back in the same manner to catch up. Then again, either way, Catcher in the Rye was a horrendously stupid book, so it's of no loss to the classroom, imo./puts on flame retardant suit
SilentStrider: I hate people.
Indubitably: Gyrfalcon: Indubitably: BronyMedic: Indubitably: Did you see my previous post about overreacting?You should.Aren't you assuming that I'm "ovrreacting", and not further trolling people who seem to think a single grammatical error matters in a non-academic conversation on the internet?Tisk tisk. Didn't your mother teach you what happens when you assume?Yeah, and she also taught me how to spell "tsk" too.*)You "spell" tsk?Is this a question or a statement?
Dogberry: Would a NYT piece help?
IlGreven: Somacandra: Dogberry: naughtyrev: Please tell me this is satire. They think this will help make kids prepared for college?Not satire. See US Dept of Education's "Race to the Top."I went to DOE's RTTT website and searched for "Recommended Insulation Levels." Nothing relevant. Searched for "Invasive Plant Inventory." A hit on learning about ecological concepts in 5th grade which is entirely reasonable. If you have some more evidence, please share. This is on Drudge Report too so I'm halfway assuming its Bullshiat to begin with.Yep. It's yet another anti-science screed most likely from creationists and GW deniers to scare parents into sending their kids to "private" schools, where they'll learn all about art and culture...but only from one small book with a cross on it.
Bacontastesgood: I think the Telegraph article is pure claptrap.
funmonger: Literature teaches the mind to articulate thoughts and apprehend the world, which is a science in and of itself. It rehearses the mind in problem solving, emotional intelligence and moral development.Manuals teach you how to follow, not think.
Ishidan: There's also nothing worse than somebody who has been trained to "critically think" but has not been given the technical knowledge to know what they're working with.
willyfreddy: I double-checked that this wasn't from The Onion. Nope, it seems legit.FTFA: Supporters of the directive argue that it will help pupils to develop the ability to write concisely and factually, which will be more useful in the workplace than a knowledge of Shakespeare.I have less of a problem with this point, in relation to Shakespeare specifically (let the Drama kids read him). However, Catcher in the Rye and To Kill A Mockingbird are NOT Shakespeare. And I would NOT agree that replacing them with Invasive Plant Inventory is a good idea./I AM SO GLAD THAT I FINISHED PUBLIC SCHOOL BEFORE THE WORLD WENT INSANE
C18H27NO3: FlyingLizardOfDoom: Catcher in the Rye was a stupid book.
BronyMedic: I love pissing off the FARK Pedant squad. You have an extraneous m added into someone's name, and rather than it being a mistake, you're a illiterate who hasn't read a book, or has no right to criticize literary mind anesthesia.[www.pedanticsociety.com image 850x244]
Fark Me To Tears: FTFA: A new school curriculum which will affect 46 out of 50 states will make it compulsory for at least 70 per cent of books studied to be non-fiction, in an effort to ready pupils for the workplace.How is this going to "ready" pupils for the workplace? Which workplace? Whose training manuals are you going to use as the standard? Contrary to popular belief within some large companies, not everyone does business the same way. Even within the same field, different companies do things their own way.The purpose of school is to provide a broad education for their whole life, not to train children for their work life in a cube farm or an assembly line (or more likely, making french fries at Mooby's). Any functionally literate adult who has a formal education and says he believes otherwise is a hypocrite... or an idiot.This is all growing out of this misguided notion that schools -- and even colleges -- are nothing but vocational training centers, rather than institutions of learning. Normally, the people who have this misconception are business executives and wealthy folks who don't have much education themselves and don't understand why we would "waste" resources on anything other than fostering more business.Besides, I don't know why they want to train American kids for the workplace. If employers had their way, we'd send out every bit of work we can to off-shore sites, and the rest of the work would be done here by H-1B/L-1 labor and/or undocumented aliens who are off the books (depending upon the skill level required for the job). We live in an age where American business executives seem to think that the rest of the people are here simply to serve them and make them richer.The Great Screwing continues...
Grand_Moff_Joseph: Um, what do you think the education systems of half the world have been doing for the last 20 years? Those folks may not even know who Shakespeare is, but they did a dang good job gutting our manufacturing and technology industries.
James F. Campbell: By the way, Ishidan, there's a great future of unemployment awaiting your future STEM graduates.
Jixa: My eldest is in 9th grade this year and his reading list for English class is pathetic. "The Hunger Games" is the required reading for his first semester. The farking Hunger Games!? The rest of the list is pretty pathetic. They're going to read excerpts, excerpts of Homer's Odyssey! No Grapes of Wrath, no Catcher in the Rye, no To Kill a Mockingbird, no Steinbeck, no Edgar Allen Poe, no Dickens. They are, at least reading "Romeo and Juliet". I guess it's still a staple of 9th grade English. I foresee a future of uneducated, illiterate boobs./I feel old now//my lawn, etc.
Weaver95: "In the end, education has to be about more than simply ensuring that kids can get a job. Isn't it supposed to be about making well-rounded citizens?"NOTHING in our culture encourages creativity. we despise artists, fear hackers and sideline anyone who steps outside the accepted norms. in some cases, that view is changing...but its moving very slowly, if at all.
Gyrfalcon: Indubitably: Gyrfalcon: Indubitably: BronyMedic: Indubitably: Did you see my previous post about overreacting?You should.Aren't you assuming that I'm "ovrreacting", and not further trolling people who seem to think a single grammatical error matters in a non-academic conversation on the internet?Tisk tisk. Didn't your mother teach you what happens when you assume?Yeah, and she also taught me how to spell "tsk" too.*)You "spell" tsk?Is this a question or a statement?An interrogatory.
K.B.O. Winston: Weaver95: "In the end, education has to be about more than simply ensuring that kids can get a job. Isn't it supposed to be about making well-rounded citizens?"NOTHING in our culture encourages creativity. we despise artists, fear hackers and sideline anyone who steps outside the accepted norms. in some cases, that view is changing...but its moving very slowly, if at all.We do, however, expect everyone who has trouble with finding/keeping a good job to be able to start their own small business, complete with well-written business plans and quality advertising concepts./because bootstraps
I_C_Weener: I say a new petition to the White House is in order. Replace this new book list with Ender's Game, and The Hobbit, and The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo.
Ishidan: James F. Campbell: By the way, Ishidan, there's a great future of unemployment awaiting your future STEM graduates.Ok wow...that one caught me by surprise.So what piece of classical literature should I use to analyze this information? Ah, the context that has come from a well rounded American education, it allows me to recognize exactly HOW we're being screwed."1984" and "Brave New World" appears to be popular here today, of course, as is "The Grapes of Wrath", but what work of fiction features a country's leaders outright screwing their own citizens in favor of importing cheap labor from elsewhere-while tacitly admitting that the "foreigners" are perfectly capable of the work?
Indubitably: Indubitably: Skirl Hutsenreiter: Summercat: Can we get rid of Hemingway too? Old Man and the Sea was... Blesgh.I don't know why anyone uses that piece of crap. Prejudiced me against Hemingway for years. After some more exposure, now I actually quite like Hemingway's short fiction. Still haven't found a novel of his that I'm really a fan of.\I don't know why teachers seem surprised when modern children don't relate to postwar literature.Try his travel pieces and think."How can I make history come to light for my students? Is it the text? Or is it me? Or both?"Whenever I hear about a book that didn't work in a class, I hear about a teacher more...
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