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2012-12-07 01:47:59 PM  
A Requiem for Sweaty Dickpunching
 
2012-12-07 02:30:30 PM  
Meh. There have been a bunch of injuries and a couple crappy cards this year, the UFC is far from dead. Tomorrow's main card free on FOX looks great. Author of TFA is going to get cussed out by Dana any minute now.
 
2012-12-07 03:00:49 PM  
Dead? The UFC is far from dead. There is a an event on FOX tomorrow and after it's done we can look at the ratings and see how well it did. That card is going to be awesome too.
 
2012-12-07 03:09:25 PM  
Could it be that the appeal of pugilistic sports is has been trending down in this country for the last 50 years?

I watched MMA for a while when it was on after hockey - hadn't seen anything like it in a while. But I can't imagine actually following it. More telling is that I can't imagine encouraging my kid to pursue it. Which means I won't be watching it with my kid. Which in turn means it's a late night sport on the upper channels. At best.

No fighting sport will be mainstream in the US for the foreseeable future.
 
2012-12-07 03:10:44 PM  
UFC isn't dead. It's a little slow right now, but I would not call it dead.

Now, hockey on the other hand...
 
2012-12-07 03:18:27 PM  

TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: A Requiem for Sweaty Dickpunching


Done in one.
 
2012-12-07 03:19:23 PM  
Read headline, thought "lolwut, we're throwing sand on the grave 10 months into an 8-year deal?"

Then I clicked and saw that the author was Tomas Rios, the hackiest hack since Hackman went to Hacktown across the Hackingway bridge.

Subby, you fail.
 
2012-12-07 03:19:38 PM  
While I like UFC (fan since watching UFC 1 as a kid), I find it harder to care about Ultimate Fighter 47 team "fighter that won an earlier ultimate figher" vs. team "some other guy". I also am reluctant to shell out $50 for pay per view since as article stated, many main event cards are injured and they have 30 events per year (yes I know, most are free events). Hopefully business picks up for them.
 
2012-12-07 03:24:39 PM  
I enjoy UFC, but fighting sports are just cannibalizing other fighting sports of which is mostly boxing which is itself a shell of its former self.
 
2012-12-07 03:24:43 PM  
Please Benson, stomp a mudhole in Nate's melon.
 
2012-12-07 03:25:27 PM  
It isn't dead - it just smells funny.
 
2012-12-07 03:30:14 PM  

Life_is_a_carnivore: Please Benson, stomp a mudhole in Nate's melon.


Love me some Nate, can't stand Nick or Henderson. Go figure. I hope Nate slaps Henderson's toothpick through his head and it hits Nick in the eye.
 
2012-12-07 03:30:33 PM  
Dana, buddy: Hire someone with good business sense to run the operation. UFC can be successful, you can be the face of UFC, but I don't think you got the brain to run it.
 
2012-12-07 03:30:42 PM  
"Eight out of 12 main events fell out. That's 67 per cent! That's crazy! That's unheard of!"-as well as top heavyweight draw Brock Lesnar's departure for pro wrestling.

Still, the simplest and most logical explanation for the decline is this: The UFC has been running lousy shows.


That's what happens when your main event gets cancelled, the whole card gets shuffled. You know, the simplest and most logical explanation. They canned the PPV in September after the Calgary debacle because they knew no card was better than a lousy one and guess what? People still shelled out cash for the Silva/Bonner fight and the GSP return. This writer should never go near the world of pro sports ever again.
 
2012-12-07 03:31:50 PM  
The UFC has been trending downward since peaking about 2.5 years ago, so this story isn't exactly cutting edge. Like boxing, it just lacks the stars to capture the imagination of the public so that it can continue to grow. The UFC has to do a better job of creating stars. Brock Lesnar is not coming back and, even when healthy, GSP may fight twice a year. Is there a viable foil for Jon Jones (other than Anderson Silva) now that Evans may be going to MW (not that their fight wasn't definitive enough)? JDS does solid numbers, but nothing like Lesnar or Couture.

Tomorrow night's show is incredibly important (as shown by the number of ads played over the last couple of weeks for it). This FOX deal has to work and the UFC has to be successful overseas if Zuffa wants the UFC's value to rebound.
 
2012-12-07 03:32:31 PM  
Dana White is probably the best head of any sports organization right now. If the fans don't like something, he listens and tries to fix the issue. He also is actively trying to keep his sport drugfree as best as possible and worried about concussions before the NFL did. Yes, he is a loudmouth jerk from Boston but i love that he cares for his sport so much.
 
2012-12-07 03:33:35 PM  

violentsalvation: Meh. There have been a bunch of injuries and a couple crappy cards this year, the UFC is far from dead. Tomorrow's main card free on FOX looks great. Author of TFA is going to get cussed out by Dana any minute now.


Its all about who is fighting, once injuries start happening people tune out of those lesser fighters......
 
2012-12-07 03:33:59 PM  

Flappyhead: "Eight out of 12 main events fell out. That's 67 per cent! That's crazy! That's unheard of!"-as well as top heavyweight draw Brock Lesnar's departure for pro wrestling.

Still, the simplest and most logical explanation for the decline is this: The UFC has been running lousy shows.

That's what happens when your main event gets cancelled, the whole card gets shuffled. You know, the simplest and most logical explanation. They canned the PPV in September after the Calgary debacle because they knew no card was better than a lousy one and guess what? People still shelled out cash for the Silva/Bonner fight and the GSP return. This writer should never go near the world of pro sports ever again.


375K buys to see the greatest MMA fighter on earth isn't very impressive.
 
2012-12-07 03:34:40 PM  

TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: A Requiem for Sweaty Dickpunching


Little did we know that he deserved it.

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/hot
 
2012-12-07 03:36:13 PM  

Moopy Mac: Flappyhead: "Eight out of 12 main events fell out. That's 67 per cent! That's crazy! That's unheard of!"-as well as top heavyweight draw Brock Lesnar's departure for pro wrestling.

Still, the simplest and most logical explanation for the decline is this: The UFC has been running lousy shows.

That's what happens when your main event gets cancelled, the whole card gets shuffled. You know, the simplest and most logical explanation. They canned the PPV in September after the Calgary debacle because they knew no card was better than a lousy one and guess what? People still shelled out cash for the Silva/Bonner fight and the GSP return. This writer should never go near the world of pro sports ever again.

375K buys to see the greatest MMA fighter on earth isn't very impressive.


Even if his opponent is a roided-up club fighter.
 
2012-12-07 03:36:23 PM  

Moopy Mac: TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: A Requiem for Sweaty Dickpunching

Little did we know that he deserved it.

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Pretty much. If I ever meet Keith Hackney I'm going to buy him a drink.
 
2012-12-07 03:37:01 PM  
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2012-12-07 03:34:40 PM

TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: A Requiem for Sweaty Dickpunching

Little did we know that he deserved it.

/hot


Still one of my favorite fights. Knee jerk reaction to the dick punches still makes me squeamish
 
2012-12-07 03:37:18 PM  

regindyn: Dana, buddy: Hire someone with good business sense to run the operation. UFC can be successful, you can be the face of UFC, but I don't think you got the brain to run it.


Is this a troll? Who got MMA accepted widely? Who got more states on board for events? He took a small in the shiats fighting organization into a billion dollar company, so you may not know what you are talking about in the slightest. Not to mention he made major networks pay attention with the huge ratings UFC received.
 
2012-12-07 03:39:32 PM  

the biggest redneck here: Read headline, thought "lolwut, we're throwing sand on the grave 10 months into an 8-year deal?"

Then I clicked and saw that the author was Tomas Rios, the hackiest hack since Hackman went to Hacktown across the Hackingway bridge.

Subby, you fail.


This

TFA is just a boo hoo hoo I don't like Dana White cry fest. Oh and Chael Sonnen is a racist for good measure. Tomas Rios may be right or he may be wrong but until someone with more credibility than him who doesn't come off like a butt hurt ex says it I'm not interested in anything he has to say.
 
2012-12-07 03:40:12 PM  
I'm not a fan of UFC, I just don't understand the draw, whenever I watch it seems like the fights are either over in 45 seconds or end up going the full distance with 5 rounds of guys hugging each other.

I do find it curious however that although Boxing doesn't really have any major stars outside of Pacquiao and Mayweather, Boxing still does PPV numbers that eclipse both UFC and Pro Wrestling, despite the fact that you see very little coverage of the sport outside of monthly shows on the premium TV stations like HBO and Showtime. I enjoy boxing, but I miss the days when there was a strong heavyweight division with guys willing to bludgeon one another, where fights frequently ended with a KO or a stoppage. These days whenever I turn on the fights on HBO or Showtime, it seems like 95% of them end in scorecards, Zzzzzzzz
 
2012-12-07 03:40:39 PM  

Moopy Mac: The UFC has been trending downward since peaking about 2.5 years ago, so this story isn't exactly cutting edge. Like boxing, it just lacks the stars to capture the imagination of the public so that it can continue to grow. The UFC has to do a better job of creating stars. Brock Lesnar is not coming back and, even when healthy, GSP may fight twice a year. Is there a viable foil for Jon Jones (other than Anderson Silva) now that Evans may be going to MW (not that their fight wasn't definitive enough)? JDS does solid numbers, but nothing like Lesnar or Couture.

Tomorrow night's show is incredibly important (as shown by the number of ads played over the last couple of weeks for it). This FOX deal has to work and the UFC has to be successful overseas if Zuffa wants the UFC's value to rebound.


I started losing interest a few years back, mostly because there were just so many fights every year. I used to get excited for a fight every 2 months that would have a fantastic card full of exciting matches.

Now there's 2-3 events a month, there might be one interesting fight in the whole thing. The most fun in the sport, to me, was cheering for a specific fighter. When there are SO many fighters I started losing interest in liking one over the other. It was no one I've heard of fighting another guy I've never heard of...who cares?
 
2012-12-07 03:41:21 PM  
Representing he sport is this guy:

"That's all bullshiat," says UFC president Dana White of any suggestion that his company looks a bit like a deer pinned under a lion. "That's all bullshiat. There's a bunch of shiat out there on the Internet, when you listen to all the crock of shiat out there with people who have no farking clue what they're talking about."

And people don't take him seriously? You don't say.
 
2012-12-07 03:43:02 PM  

jso2897: It isn't dead - it just smells funny.


Dammit! I was going to say that.

I really don't understand the appeal. If Fox really killed it, perhaps they deserve a Hero tag.
 
2012-12-07 03:43:54 PM  
They just need some new sponsors: 

25.media.tumblr.com
 
2012-12-07 03:47:00 PM  

Moopy Mac: Flappyhead: "Eight out of 12 main events fell out. That's 67 per cent! That's crazy! That's unheard of!"-as well as top heavyweight draw Brock Lesnar's departure for pro wrestling.

Still, the simplest and most logical explanation for the decline is this: The UFC has been running lousy shows.

That's what happens when your main event gets cancelled, the whole card gets shuffled. You know, the simplest and most logical explanation. They canned the PPV in September after the Calgary debacle because they knew no card was better than a lousy one and guess what? People still shelled out cash for the Silva/Bonner fight and the GSP return. This writer should never go near the world of pro sports ever again.

375K buys to see the greatest MMA fighter on earth isn't very impressive.


And where did I say it was? I'm merely pointing out that people still paid to watch it even though it was a forgone conclusion who was going to win. Was it the strongest main event? Hell no, but at least they had one. Again, my main point was injuries killed a lot of the PPVs this year and the writer is utterly oblivious or deliberately ignoring it.
 
2012-12-07 03:47:23 PM  

the biggest redneck here: Life_is_a_carnivore: Please Benson, stomp a mudhole in Nate's melon.

Love me some Nate, can't stand Nick or Henderson. Go figure. I hope Nate slaps Henderson's toothpick through his head and it hits Nick in the eye.


I know. I really despise all three, but the Diaz Bros. are more hateable combined than Benson.
 
2012-12-07 03:48:42 PM  

Flappyhead: Moopy Mac: Flappyhead: "Eight out of 12 main events fell out. That's 67 per cent! That's crazy! That's unheard of!"-as well as top heavyweight draw Brock Lesnar's departure for pro wrestling.

Still, the simplest and most logical explanation for the decline is this: The UFC has been running lousy shows.

That's what happens when your main event gets cancelled, the whole card gets shuffled. You know, the simplest and most logical explanation. They canned the PPV in September after the Calgary debacle because they knew no card was better than a lousy one and guess what? People still shelled out cash for the Silva/Bonner fight and the GSP return. This writer should never go near the world of pro sports ever again.

375K buys to see the greatest MMA fighter on earth isn't very impressive.

And where did I say it was? I'm merely pointing out that people still paid to watch it even though it was a forgone conclusion who was going to win. Was it the strongest main event? Hell no, but at least they had one. Again, my main point was injuries killed a lot of the PPVs this year and the writer is utterly oblivious or deliberately ignoring it.


I didn't realize when you said "People shelled out cash" you meant, "fewer people than would be expected paid for a PPV".
 
2012-12-07 03:48:58 PM  
UFC's problem is that the talent disparity is too much. You have guys like Jones, GSP, Silva, etc that are just head and shoulders above the rest. Not many people are going to pay to watch GSP win by decision yet again, or watch Silva beat up another middleweight guy with ease. When a title changes hand every 4-5 years (or more in some cases, not counting LW and even LHW), not many people are going to care.

That and too many events. Not that the UFC is going anywhere anytime soon, but I can see how they are losing money
 
2012-12-07 03:49:05 PM  

jst3p: And people don't take him seriously? You don't say.


The actual UFC fighters by and large seem more mature and measured than Dana White.
 
2012-12-07 03:50:24 PM  
Lately I've been watching the Bellator cards over UFC. I don't buy any UFC PPV but have seen the live prelims of the past 3 or 4 PPV Events and nothing about the prelims compelled me to want buy the PPV. The UFC reality program likewise has been a little dull. Maybe its a lack of expectation but I have been watching the Bellator cards instead of UFC and think the fights exhibit high level martial arts and are exciting to watch. The tournament style format has also been a cool difference. I am interested in watching Diaz, Penn and Henderson fight this weekend, even though their peak dominance may be a year or two behind them. I am not a student of the sport but am a casual fan.
 
2012-12-07 03:51:44 PM  

Babwa Wawa: Could it be that the appeal of pugilistic sports is has been trending down in this country for the last 50 years?

I watched MMA for a while when it was on after hockey - hadn't seen anything like it in a while. But I can't imagine actually following it. More telling is that I can't imagine encouraging my kid to pursue it. Which means I won't be watching it with my kid. Which in turn means it's a late night sport on the upper channels. At best.

No fighting sport will be mainstream in the US for the foreseeable future.


I dunno, my dad and I watched boxing all the time when I was younger and I never had _any_ desire to go into it at all, and that was _before_ the whole Muhammad Ali Parkinson's thing. Somehow I think your kid is smart enough to not want to do everything he sees on TV.
 
2012-12-07 03:58:05 PM  

machoprogrammer: UFC's problem is that the talent disparity is too much. You have guys like Jones, GSP, Silva, etc that are just head and shoulders above the rest. Not many people are going to pay to watch GSP win by decision yet again, or watch Silva beat up another middleweight guy with ease. When a title changes hand every 4-5 years (or more in some cases, not counting LW and even LHW), not many people are going to care.

That and too many events. Not that the UFC is going anywhere anytime soon, but I can see how they are losing money


I don't know about that so much, people had no problem shelling out money in the 80's and 90's watching Mike Tyson and George Foreman on the top of the card against washed up bums, or nobodies, knowing good and well that the fight wouldn't make it past the first round. In fact people ordered those fights HOPING that Tyson would knock their head off in 15 seconds.
 
2012-12-07 03:58:13 PM  

MoeSzyslak: the biggest redneck here: Read headline, thought "lolwut, we're throwing sand on the grave 10 months into an 8-year deal?"

Then I clicked and saw that the author was Tomas Rios, the hackiest hack since Hackman went to Hacktown across the Hackingway bridge.

Subby, you fail.

This

TFA is just a boo hoo hoo I don't like Dana White cry fest. Oh and Chael Sonnen is a racist for good measure. Tomas Rios may be right or he may be wrong but until someone with more credibility than him who doesn't come off like a butt hurt ex says it I'm not interested in anything he has to say.


The numbers (both live, televised and PPV) show that the popularity of the UFC has plateaued (if not declined) in the last 24 months.

UFC 156 should be one of the best PPVs in recent memory. If there is any justice in this world it will sell 1MM+.

Aldo/Edgar
Evans/Little Nog
Overeem/Big Foot
Creepy/Benevidez

But that's not going to happen. Would it have happened in 2009? Maybe not, but it would have a much better chance of doing so.

How many fights in the UFC available right now could sell 1MM+?

GSP/Silva
Jones/Silva
Jones/JDS
GSP/Diaz (maybe)

After an entire season of TUF, I'll be surprised if Sonnen/Jones can even touch 1MM sales.

Either FOX needs to be a primary revenue source, or the UFC is boned.
 
2012-12-07 03:58:41 PM  

RadioAaron: TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: A Requiem for Sweaty Dickpunching

Done in one.


They said MMA not Boxing.

/or wrestling for that matter
 
2012-12-07 03:59:50 PM  

machoprogrammer: UFC's problem is that the talent disparity is too much. You have guys like Jones, GSP, Silva, etc that are just head and shoulders above the rest. Not many people are going to pay to watch GSP win by decision yet again, or watch Silva beat up another middleweight guy with ease. When a title changes hand every 4-5 years (or more in some cases, not counting LW and even LHW), not many people are going to care.

That and too many events. Not that the UFC is going anywhere anytime soon, but I can see how they are losing money


It is very, very unlikely that Zuffa is currently losing money on the UFC.
 
2012-12-07 04:01:00 PM  
I am curious to how the adding of a women's division will effect the UFC?
 
2012-12-07 04:02:07 PM  
Also: Rousey won't just be part of the first UFC women's fight @ 157...she'll be part of the Main Event.

Give it to Dana for this one; he want this historic first front and center.
 
2012-12-07 04:04:05 PM  
One death in the ring and the UFC is done.
 
2012-12-07 04:04:07 PM  

Rwa2play: Also: Rousey won't just be part of the first UFC women's fight @ 157...she'll be part of the Main Event.

Give it to Dana for this one; he want this historic first front and center.


Hendo must be doing backflips. Doesn't that mean his fight with Machida will be 3 rounds now?
 
2012-12-07 04:05:21 PM  
Has the TUF UK/Australia season aired in the US at all? I hadn't seen it in years and it had pretty much everything with rarely a dull moment. Both finals could be short and brutal, and Pearson / Sots should be a blast.
 
2012-12-07 04:15:55 PM  
"That's all bullshiat," says UFC president Dana White of any suggestion that his company looks a bit like a deer pinned under a lion. "That's all bullshiat. There's a bunch of shiat out there on the Internet, when you listen to all the crock of shiat out there with people who have no farking clue what they're talking about."

Wow. Dana doesn't sound like a steroid riddled jerk at all.

Your organization's president talks like that and you wonder why there are rumors that you're not doing well? Hmmm...
 
2012-12-07 04:21:37 PM  
2012 was a slow year. I believe only 3 good fights and everything else coming to a decision, UFC has to build up their fighters and hope the titles exchange hands soon. Bones and Sliva have held on to their belts so long, it's silly. GSP-mania is getting fatigued as well. Women getting in the game will help but only until Cyborg ruins everything again.

FOX needs to show more good fights, not just on FX, and promote the fights better than they are doing now. UFC and MMA-mania is dying down but unlike boxing, it won't go the way to oblivion until a fight pulls something like what happened to Pacquiao.
 
2012-12-07 04:23:39 PM  
The TUF UK/Australia is available online for North Americans.

MMA is still a fringe sport in many ways, but it has far more mass appeal than soccer or hockey (or cricket) will ever have. You have to grow up with those sports to care about them.
 
2012-12-07 04:24:36 PM  

Klippoklondike: I am curious to how the adding of a women's division will effect the UFC?


It'll give it cooties.

I wanna see two (maybe three) flyweights take on a heavyweight. That's some good entertainment.
 
2012-12-07 04:26:07 PM  
I disagree with the articles conclusions.

Also, I have tickets to UFC on Fox 5 tomorrow.

Here are my picks for the card.

www.tapology.com

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