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2012-12-07 03:05:07 PM  

Don Piano: I always preferred spaceships and laser beams to fairy-land and trolls.


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Spaceboy!
 
2012-12-07 03:08:24 PM  

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: On a related note, Stephen Colbert has Peter Jackson on last night, and Colbert was schooling him on Tolkien knowledge. Anyway, supposedly Tolkien at one point was re-writing "The Hobbit" story to be more in line with the somewhat more adult tone of LOTR. After LOTR, he came to consider "The Hobbit" to be a children's book interpretation of a rather dark and complex story...a somewhat sanitized and condensed version of "the real story". So Tolkien set about re-doing it. Someone apparently convinced him that he'd just undermine his original masterpiece, and he stopped working on it.

That's Colbert's story, anyway. Very interesting if true.

I'm interested to see if Jackson maintains the lighter nature of The Hobbit, or tries to make it more consistent with the LOTR. The books definitely had different tones.


Since he's including parts of the appendix in this trilogy, I'm guessing it's a more adult affair.
 
2012-12-07 03:13:43 PM  

ClintonKun: stoli n coke: Saiga410: I did not know that PJ cut the Hobbit into 3 movies from a 300 page book. I read slow but I know I could do roughly 100 pages in 2.5 hours.

The Hobbit is only 300 pages? Then why the fark do they need 3 movies that run nearly 3 hours apiece to tell the story? I understand why Lord of the Rings needed it, because that book was freakin enormous.

They're going to show a "side story" that happened at the same time of the Hobbit, which is expanded upon in other books. Basically, it's about what Gandalf is running off to do, whenever he runs off from the Bilbo and the Dwarves. And from what I've read, it leads to a huge moment of awesome.


Gandalf in Dol Guldur is going to be epic.


There's plenty of content for three movies. Plenty.
 
2012-12-07 03:23:10 PM  
What about the farking eagles??.?
 
2012-12-07 03:27:35 PM  

EdNortonsTwin: ClintonKun: stoli n coke: Saiga410: I did not know that PJ cut the Hobbit into 3 movies from a 300 page book. I read slow but I know I could do roughly 100 pages in 2.5 hours.

The Hobbit is only 300 pages? Then why the fark do they need 3 movies that run nearly 3 hours apiece to tell the story? I understand why Lord of the Rings needed it, because that book was freakin enormous.

They're going to show a "side story" that happened at the same time of the Hobbit, which is expanded upon in other books. Basically, it's about what Gandalf is running off to do, whenever he runs off from the Bilbo and the Dwarves. And from what I've read, it leads to a huge moment of awesome.

Gandalf in Dol Guldur is going to be epic.


There's plenty of content for three movies. Plenty.


yeah, PJ dug deep into The Silmarillion to get the additional material. So it's not like he's just making sh*t up. All the extra stuff is either expanding the writing from The Hobbit ("...and they fought" becomes a 20 minute fight scene), or taken from the additional Middle Earth stories.
 
2012-12-07 03:28:59 PM  

Jaws_Victim: What about the farking eagles??.?


i.chzbgr.com
 
2012-12-07 03:40:22 PM  

EdNortonsTwin: Gandalf, Saruman, Radagast, Galadriel, Elrond, and by luck and the grace of god Cirdan, in Dol Guldur is going to be epic.


Fixed that for ya.

"Well, there's six of us and thousands of them. We're all Eldar lords and Istari, and they're led by Nazgul and the Necromancer himself[1]. Not really much point in punching below our weight class on this one, is there?"

[1] Yeah, I know by the time the White Council attacks Dol Guldur, there were no Nazgul there and Sauron had already fled to Barad-dur. It was merely the White Council opening a can of demigod whoopass on one of Sauron's armies.

Knowing Jackson, it'll probably have at least some Nazgul and Sauron present at the fight, though. It'll be interesting if Jackson reconciles the fact by this time Sauron had regained his physical form by having it destroyed (again) at Dol Guldur by the White Council, forcing him (again) to retake the form of the Lidless Eye for the Lord of the Rings trilogy.
 
2012-12-07 03:46:10 PM  
I dont think Dol Guldur is the epic battle everyone thinks it is. Its more like a D+D dungeon crawl. Gandalf finds dwarf lords in the prisons.
 
2012-12-07 03:46:45 PM  

Dumb-Ass-Monkey: So it's not like he's just making sh*t up


You mean like the first three films? Yeah......no "made-up shiat" in those whatsoever.
 
2012-12-07 03:48:00 PM  

LL316: SacriliciousBeerSwiller: On a related note, Stephen Colbert has Peter Jackson on last night, and Colbert was schooling him on Tolkien knowledge. Anyway, supposedly Tolkien at one point was re-writing "The Hobbit" story to be more in line with the somewhat more adult tone of LOTR. After LOTR, he came to consider "The Hobbit" to be a children's book interpretation of a rather dark and complex story...a somewhat sanitized and condensed version of "the real story". So Tolkien set about re-doing it. Someone apparently convinced him that he'd just undermine his original masterpiece, and he stopped working on it.

That's Colbert's story, anyway. Very interesting if true.

I'm interested to see if Jackson maintains the lighter nature of The Hobbit, or tries to make it more consistent with the LOTR. The books definitely had different tones.

Since he's including parts of the appendix in this trilogy, I'm guessing it's a more adult affair.


I hope, but when I see stuff like this:

...I have some concerns. I mean those don't even look like they live in the same universe as the few dwarves shown in LOTR. They look Disney-fied.
 
2012-12-07 03:50:07 PM  

Clash City Farker: I dont think Dol Guldur is the epic battle everyone thinks it is. Its more like a D+D dungeon crawl. Gandalf finds dwarf lords in the prisons.


Nope, that took place several years before the Hobbit, and will be a flashback. The epic battle takes place DURING The Hobbit, around the time they enter the Lonely Mountain, I believe.
 
2012-12-07 03:50:13 PM  

LL316: SacriliciousBeerSwiller: On a related note, Stephen Colbert has Peter Jackson on last night, and Colbert was schooling him on Tolkien knowledge. Anyway, supposedly Tolkien at one point was re-writing "The Hobbit" story to be more in line with the somewhat more adult tone of LOTR. After LOTR, he came to consider "The Hobbit" to be a children's book interpretation of a rather dark and complex story...a somewhat sanitized and condensed version of "the real story". So Tolkien set about re-doing it. Someone apparently convinced him that he'd just undermine his original masterpiece, and he stopped working on it.

That's Colbert's story, anyway. Very interesting if true.

I'm interested to see if Jackson maintains the lighter nature of The Hobbit, or tries to make it more consistent with the LOTR. The books definitely had different tones.

Since he's including parts of the appendix in this trilogy, I'm guessing it's a more adult affair.


Stupid Fark really should not post if it's gonna throw out a URL, preview skipped or not...let's try that again:

I hope, but when I see stuff like this:
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...I have some concerns. I mean those don't even look like they live in the same universe as the few dwarves shown in LOTR. They look Disney-fied.
 
2012-12-07 03:51:59 PM  

Clash City Farker: I dont think Dol Guldur is the epic battle everyone thinks it is. Its more like a D+D dungeon crawl. Gandalf finds dwarf lords in the prisons.


Erm...that happens almost a century before the events of The Hobbit.
 
2012-12-07 03:52:50 PM  

that bosnian sniper: EdNortonsTwin: Gandalf, Saruman, Radagast, Galadriel, Elrond, and by luck and the grace of god Cirdan, in Dol Guldur is going to be epic.

Fixed that for ya.

"Well, there's six of us and thousands of them. We're all Eldar lords and Istari, and they're led by Nazgul and the Necromancer himself[1]. Not really much point in punching below our weight class on this one, is there?"

[1] Yeah, I know by the time the White Council attacks Dol Guldur, there were no Nazgul there and Sauron had already fled to Barad-dur. It was merely the White Council opening a can of demigod whoopass on one of Sauron's armies.

Knowing Jackson, it'll probably have at least some Nazgul and Sauron present at the fight, though. It'll be interesting if Jackson reconciles the fact by this time Sauron had regained his physical form by having it destroyed (again) at Dol Guldur by the White Council, forcing him (again) to retake the form of the Lidless Eye for the Lord of the Rings trilogy.


What i love about these Tolkien threads is that I'm reminded, that I've forgotton, more than I rememeber. Well now, doesn't that sound like something Bilbo would say?

From some fansites, it looks like Gandalf may have a violent run in with a crazed Thrain II in Dol Guldur. If Sauron can't be there in physical form, there's always a Palantir that can be thrown in for extra spooky resolve.

I still say it will be epic.
 
2012-12-07 03:53:48 PM  
Hollywood has been getting greedier for years.

First they split up TV seasons and movies into "parts" so they could charge 50% more.
Then they dragged out the stories unnecessarily so they could make more episodes or movies.

Now they're filming the action of the story in real time.

Next: they will include sleepy time and bathroom breaks, meals, sex, long boring travel scenes, and real time chases, which in the case of some movies will mean crossing continents and oceans.

For example, James Bond, instead of instantly teleporting from England to Kuala Lumpar, will spend 15 to 20 hours in airports and jets, reading on his pocket computer.

Movies with three or more exotic locales will take a couple of weeks to watch and as much as seven years to film.
 
2012-12-07 03:54:01 PM  

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: LL316: SacriliciousBeerSwiller: On a related note, Stephen Colbert has Peter Jackson on last night, and Colbert was schooling him on Tolkien knowledge. Anyway, supposedly Tolkien at one point was re-writing "The Hobbit" story to be more in line with the somewhat more adult tone of LOTR. After LOTR, he came to consider "The Hobbit" to be a children's book interpretation of a rather dark and complex story...a somewhat sanitized and condensed version of "the real story". So Tolkien set about re-doing it. Someone apparently convinced him that he'd just undermine his original masterpiece, and he stopped working on it.

That's Colbert's story, anyway. Very interesting if true.

I'm interested to see if Jackson maintains the lighter nature of The Hobbit, or tries to make it more consistent with the LOTR. The books definitely had different tones.

Since he's including parts of the appendix in this trilogy, I'm guessing it's a more adult affair.

I hope, but when I see stuff like this:

...I have some concerns. I mean those don't even look like they live in the same universe as the few dwarves shown in LOTR. They look Disney-fied.


Well, I'm guessing if they all looked like the Dwarves in LOTR, then we couldn't tell them apart. My guess is that the generic Dwarf look is something that noble Dwarf lords of a certain class do.
 
2012-12-07 03:55:41 PM  
Also, Bombur was a walking fat joke in the book as well.
 
2012-12-07 03:57:06 PM  

Jaws_Victim: What about the farking eagles??.?


I've had a rough night, and I hate the farking Eagles, man!
 
2012-12-07 04:02:28 PM  

ClintonKun: The epic battle takes place DURING The Hobbit, around the time they enter the Lonely Mountain, I believe.


It coincides with the Battle of Five Armies. Gandalf planned it thus that the goblins and orcs of the Misty Mountains would not come to the aid of Dol Guldur, nor would Smaug, and vice versa.

When Gandalf whacked the Great Goblin, and with Glamdring nonetheless, Bolg (who was his cousin) would rally the Misty Mountain goblins, wargs and orcs at Mt. Gundabad...keeping them from reinforcing Dol Guldur. Meanwhile, with the quest for Erebor underway, Smaug would be busy defending his mountain or dead by that time. It also happened to be the case that by pressing the White Council to attack Dol Guldur then, Sauron could not move his own forces northward to come to Smaug's aid.
 
2012-12-07 04:09:16 PM  

that bosnian sniper: It coincides with the Battle of Five Armies...


Meh, sorry for the double post. Accidentally hit me the wrong button at the wrong time.

The whole thing was a divide-and-conquer Indy ploy by Gandalf, considering prior to meeting Thorin by pure coincidence he had no idea who Thrain's heir was, nor any idea how to arrange the balance of power in Rhovanion to favor the free peoples. Especially for the fact because Saruman had blocked Gandalf's attempts to rally the White Council against Dol Guldur for a century, Sauron had consolidated power and well in Rhovanion -- Mirkwood was corrupt and surrounded, and other free holds (Beorn's home, Laketown, and the Iron Hills) isolated and equally surrounded.
 
2012-12-07 04:11:14 PM  

coco ebert: I'm pretty much "shut up and take my money" about the whole affair.


Same here.
 
2012-12-07 04:14:29 PM  

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: I hope, but when I see stuff like this:

...I have some concerns. I mean those don't even look like they live in the same universe as the few dwarves shown in LOTR. They look Disney-fied.


I get where you coming from, but I can give them a bit of a pass on how they made the dwarves look. They needed some easy way for the audience to distinguish 13 short guys with beards. Plus, it makes merchandising easier.

I hope people don't complain too much about it being sillier than LotR. That just means it's being true to the feel of the book.

/We all know what Bilbo Baggins hates.
 
2012-12-07 04:14:44 PM  

that bosnian sniper: that bosnian sniper: It coincides with the Battle of Five Armies...

Meh, sorry for the double post. Accidentally hit me the wrong button at the wrong time.

The whole thing was a divide-and-conquer Indy ploy by Gandalf, considering prior to meeting Thorin by pure coincidence he had no idea who Thrain's heir was, nor any idea how to arrange the balance of power in Rhovanion to favor the free peoples. Especially for the fact because Saruman had blocked Gandalf's attempts to rally the White Council against Dol Guldur for a century, Sauron had consolidated power and well in Rhovanion -- Mirkwood was corrupt and surrounded, and other free holds (Beorn's home, Laketown, and the Iron Hills) isolated and equally surrounded.


Thanks, I didn't have time to cross-reference the timelines.

But yeah, I can totally understand the need to put this into the movie, since it adds a whole new dimension to the quest.
 
2012-12-07 04:17:54 PM  

NeoCortex42: SacriliciousBeerSwiller: I hope, but when I see stuff like this:

...I have some concerns. I mean those don't even look like they live in the same universe as the few dwarves shown in LOTR. They look Disney-fied.

I get where you coming from, but I can give them a bit of a pass on how they made the dwarves look. They needed some easy way for the audience to distinguish 13 short guys with beards. Plus, it makes merchandising easier.

I hope people don't complain too much about it being sillier than LotR. That just means it's being true to the feel of the book.

/We all know what Bilbo Baggins hates.


Yeah, I was kinda expecting some grimdark fanboys to complain about the silliness in The Hobbit. It's a farkin' children's book written in the 1930s, of course, it's going to have silly parts. Though, from the looks of it, the movie will be substantially darker in parts to line it up with LotR (and Tolkien's original plans to rewrite the Hobbit after LotR). So, I'm hoping it's a good mix of silly and serious.
 
2012-12-07 04:31:16 PM  

ClintonKun: So, I'm hoping it's a good mix of silly and serious.


That's for what I'm hoping. It just wouldn't be The Hobbit without some good old fashioned dwarf slapstick. The Hobbit invented dwarf slapstick for god's sake.
 
2012-12-07 04:36:43 PM  

that bosnian sniper: that bosnian sniper: It coincides with the Battle of Five Armies...

Meh, sorry for the double post. Accidentally hit me the wrong button at the wrong time.

The whole thing was a divide-and-conquer Indy ploy by Gandalf, considering prior to meeting Thorin by pure coincidence he had no idea who Thrain's heir was, nor any idea how to arrange the balance of power in Rhovanion to favor the free peoples. Especially for the fact because Saruman had blocked Gandalf's attempts to rally the White Council against Dol Guldur for a century, Sauron had consolidated power and well in Rhovanion -- Mirkwood was corrupt and surrounded, and other free holds (Beorn's home, Laketown, and the Iron Hills) isolated and equally surrounded.


You seem to be well read into the Tolkien universe, what other books need to be read in order to be up to date on all of this?
 
2012-12-07 04:41:27 PM  
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Another 3 hours of walking?
 
2012-12-07 05:06:45 PM  

Saiga410: You seem to be well read into the Tolkien universe, what other books need to be read in order to be up to date on all of this?


Really, just Appendix B of Lord of the Rings, and "The Quest of Erebor" in Unfinished Tales.
 
2012-12-07 05:07:57 PM  

Apik0r0s: [24.media.tumblr.com image 500x226]

Another 3 hours of walking?


I would have been more sympathetic to that argument if GL hadn't added a CGI dance number acknowledging the camera.
 
2012-12-07 05:12:39 PM  

Orgasmatron138: Apik0r0s: [24.media.tumblr.com image 500x226]

Another 3 hours of walking?

I would have been more sympathetic to that argument if GL hadn't added a CGI dance number acknowledging the camera.


touche'
 
2012-12-07 05:24:51 PM  

Orgasmatron138: Apik0r0s: [24.media.tumblr.com image 500x226]

Another 3 hours of walking?

I would have been more sympathetic to that argument if GL hadn't added a CGI dance number acknowledging the camera.


but that's gonna be the shiz when ROTJ is released in 3-D!!!
 
2012-12-07 05:32:07 PM  

devilEther: Orgasmatron138: Apik0r0s: [24.media.tumblr.com image 500x226]

Another 3 hours of walking?

I would have been more sympathetic to that argument if GL hadn't added a CGI dance number acknowledging the camera.

but that's gonna be the shiz when ROTJ is released in 3-D!!!


I'm patiently waiting for the unrated bluray extra Oola-POV
 
2012-12-07 05:56:20 PM  
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The news I keep hearing about The Hobbit is increasingly making me think it's going to wind up like this abomination. 

/Thank GOD Weis & Hickman got back the rights to Dragonlance. I'm afraid of what Hasbro is going to do with their film-concept of Icewind Dale.
 
2012-12-07 06:03:49 PM  
The Hobbit is a good story and all but there's not really a whole lot to it... Dumbledore barges in on Frodo. They venture off with a bunch of midgets. They walk for a bit, Samwise almost gets eaten by some trolls who die rather anti-climatically. So they walk some more, chill with Agent Smith for a little while. Walk some more. They get dragged underground by a bunch of goblins. Pippin finds the Ring, exchanges a few riddles with Golem, then.... um... *mumble mumble mumble* they're all back together again outside, away from the goblins. But the goblins are pissed, so they chase them up some trees. The Eagles show up and give them a lift to The Dude's house. Why did the Eagles help? Because FARK goblins, that's why. The Dude is a bit of a dick so the crew doesn't stay long. They walk some more. By now you should probably have figured out that they're all pretty ill prepared for the long walk so of course they're almost eaten by a bunch of giant spiders. But obviously they aren't. Get this, frodo saves them all by putting on the RIng and heckling the spiders. I shiat you not. So they're walking... they're walking... They get all lost in some woods and some local douchebag elves decide to take them all prisoner. So Mary uses the Ring to *mumble mumble mumble* and they're all floating down a river in barrels. They tool around some shiat hole town for a little bit, then... you guessed it! They walk some more. They get to the mountain that has the dragon all up in it. They're all pretty incompetent so they just tool around the mountain for a while. They get inside and wait for the dragon to leave or trick him into leaving or something it doesn't really matter. They frolic in the phat lootz for a while. Oh ya, the dragon got killed. So then all these creditors and long lost relatives and charities and crap come crawling out of the woodwork to get at some of grandpa smurf's treasure. But he's all, "It's MAH treasure!" There's some fighting. Everyone gets some money. The end.

/Oh, spoiler alert.
 
2012-12-07 06:38:07 PM  
The more I read about this film the more I'm convinced I will not like it. I read an article today in which Jackson discusses "filling in the gaps" of the story.

I just met you and this is crazy, but Tolkien's story is fine as is maybe.

Dear Peter Jackson: Quit farking with the material.
 
2012-12-07 06:43:08 PM  

Honest Bender: /Oh, spoiler alert.


you dick!
 
2012-12-07 06:55:51 PM  

Honest Bender: ...

/Oh, spoiler alert.


I think I love you.
 
2012-12-07 07:51:33 PM  

Honest Bender: MORE AWESOME THAN A HUMAN BRAIN CAN HANDLE


When you die, can I have your keyboard you used to type that out on? I feel it may be a Holy relic.
 
2012-12-07 07:57:43 PM  

that bosnian sniper: EdNortonsTwin: Gandalf, Saruman, Radagast, Galadriel, Elrond, and by luck and the grace of god Cirdan, in Dol Guldur is going to be epic.

Fixed that for ya.

"Well, there's six of us and thousands of them. We're all Eldar lords and Istari, and they're led by Nazgul and the Necromancer himself[1]. Not really much point in punching below our weight class on this one, is there?"

[1] Yeah, I know by the time the White Council attacks Dol Guldur, there were no Nazgul there and Sauron had already fled to Barad-dur. It was merely the White Council opening a can of demigod whoopass on one of Sauron's armies.

Knowing Jackson, it'll probably have at least some Nazgul and Sauron present at the fight, though. It'll be interesting if Jackson reconciles the fact by this time Sauron had regained his physical form by having it destroyed (again) at Dol Guldur by the White Council, forcing him (again) to retake the form of the Lidless Eye for the Lord of the Rings trilogy.


Well, he did plan to have Sauron appear at the Battle of the Black Gate in RotK.

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2012-12-07 08:07:49 PM  

Keizer_Ghidorah: that bosnian sniper: EdNortonsTwin: Gandalf, Saruman, Radagast, Galadriel, Elrond, and by luck and the grace of god Cirdan, in Dol Guldur is going to be epic.

Fixed that for ya.

"Well, there's six of us and thousands of them. We're all Eldar lords and Istari, and they're led by Nazgul and the Necromancer himself[1]. Not really much point in punching below our weight class on this one, is there?"

[1] Yeah, I know by the time the White Council attacks Dol Guldur, there were no Nazgul there and Sauron had already fled to Barad-dur. It was merely the White Council opening a can of demigod whoopass on one of Sauron's armies.

Knowing Jackson, it'll probably have at least some Nazgul and Sauron present at the fight, though. It'll be interesting if Jackson reconciles the fact by this time Sauron had regained his physical form by having it destroyed (again) at Dol Guldur by the White Council, forcing him (again) to retake the form of the Lidless Eye for the Lord of the Rings trilogy.

Well, he did plan to have Sauron appear at the Battle of the Black Gate in RotK.

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This is what pissed me off about the LotR movies. Nowhere in the book does it say Sauron is a floating eyeball. It refers to him as the Great Eye, or The Eye, but this is what is known in literature as "metaphor". How would a floating eyeball make use of a ring? Besides which, Gollum claims to have seen him in person, and not only is he NOT a floating eye, he says that his hand is still missing a finger from when Isildur cut it off. Finally, there's Aragorn's line, "Let the lord of the black land come forth, let justice be done on him." How would he expect a floating eye to "come forth"? This line, you will notice, was kept in the movie, and PJ came this close to having Aragorn engaging in combat with a fully corporeal Sauron. At the last minute, he digitally replaced Sauron with a troll, but he still kept the "come forth" line. It's like he himself wasn't sure whether or not Sauron was supposed to be an eye.

/I know, I spend way too much time thinking about this bullshiat
 
2012-12-07 08:10:41 PM  
Buncha hipsters wanking on in this thread about how incredibly boring Lord of the Rings was and how Tolkien is a kinda shiat writer if you stop and think about it.
 
2012-12-07 08:17:44 PM  
I too was ultimately a bit disappointed by the literal representation of Sauron's eye in Jackson's films, among other things, but hey, I kinda have to give the guy some room to make a somewhat accessible, commercial film, not one where Sauron's full horror was completely interior and psychological, and everyone's leaving the theatre going, "Why didn't we get to see the bad guy? Did it have one?" I mean, Sauron is basically a disembodied spirit of evil. It's hard to make an abstract thought the main antagonist of a popular adventure/fantasy movie. Sure, I would have done certain things a bit different myself. I'm not holding out too much hope for the Necromancer of Dol Guldur but I'm sure I'll see and enjoy the Hobbit many times.
 
2012-12-07 09:10:03 PM  
What did Gimli say?

"I asked her for one hair from her golden head. She gave me three."

Apparently there are a handful of people who think this is a problem. Those people are freaks.
 
2012-12-07 09:36:41 PM  

B.L.Z. Bub: This is what pissed me off about the LotR movies. Nowhere in the book does it say Sauron is a floating eyeball. It refers to him as the Great Eye, or The Eye, but this is what is known in literature as "metaphor". How would a floating eyeball make use of a ring? Besides which, Gollum claims to have seen him in person, and not only is he NOT a floating eye, he says that his hand is still missing a finger from when Isildur cut it off. Finally, there's Aragorn's line, "Let the lord of the black land come forth, let justice be done on him." How would he expect a floating eye to "come forth"? This line, you will notice, was kept in the movie, and PJ came this close to having Aragorn engaging in combat with a fully corporeal Sauron. At the last minute, he digitally replaced Sauron with a troll, but he still kept the "come forth" line. It's like he himself wasn't sure whether or not Sauron was supposed to be an eye.

/I know, I spend way too much time thinking about this bullshiat


He was represented as a great lidless flame-wreathed eye in the animated Rotk, too. It may be metaphor, but it's also a cool visual, and makes for a creepy, inhuman enemy.

How would a floating eyeball make use of a ring?

The majority of his power was in the Ring. He couldn't become complete and corporeal without the Ring, and if he had gotten it back he has all of his powers and he's physical again.
 
2012-12-07 10:02:09 PM  

Keizer_Ghidorah: B.L.Z. Bub: This is what pissed me off about the LotR movies. Nowhere in the book does it say Sauron is a floating eyeball. It refers to him as the Great Eye, or The Eye, but this is what is known in literature as "metaphor". How would a floating eyeball make use of a ring? Besides which, Gollum claims to have seen him in person, and not only is he NOT a floating eye, he says that his hand is still missing a finger from when Isildur cut it off. Finally, there's Aragorn's line, "Let the lord of the black land come forth, let justice be done on him." How would he expect a floating eye to "come forth"? This line, you will notice, was kept in the movie, and PJ came this close to having Aragorn engaging in combat with a fully corporeal Sauron. At the last minute, he digitally replaced Sauron with a troll, but he still kept the "come forth" line. It's like he himself wasn't sure whether or not Sauron was supposed to be an eye.

/I know, I spend way too much time thinking about this bullshiat

He was represented as a great lidless flame-wreathed eye in the animated Rotk, too. It may be metaphor, but it's also a cool visual, and makes for a creepy, inhuman enemy.

How would a floating eyeball make use of a ring?

The majority of his power was in the Ring. He couldn't become complete and corporeal without the Ring, and if he had gotten it back he has all of his powers and he's physical again.


We know that Sauron was able to maintain a physical form even without his ring, although granted you have to dig beyond LotR. It's in Akallabeth, the story of the downfall of Numenor: Sauron was taken prisoner by the Numenoreans, but it was part of his secret plan to corrupt them. He turned them against the Elves and the Valar of the Blessed Realm, and they mounted a hopeless war against them for dominion of the world. Numenor was destroyed in the war and Sauron lost his body in the destruction, but his spirit somehow survived and was able to generate a new body. He had had the foresight to leave his ring behind with the Nazgul in Mordor before being taken prisoner, but he didn't become a disembodied spirit or a floating eye the whole time he was separated from it.
 
2012-12-07 10:10:41 PM  
I'm re-reading The Hobbit right now. The entire Battle of the Five Armies took about 7 minutes to read. I sure as hell HOPE the final movie gives it more screen time than that. What kind of nonsense whining is this?

Great books, great prior films, looking forward to the new movies.
 
2012-12-07 10:10:57 PM  

B.L.Z. Bub: Keizer_Ghidorah: B.L.Z. Bub: This is what pissed me off about the LotR movies. Nowhere in the book does it say Sauron is a floating eyeball. It refers to him as the Great Eye, or The Eye, but this is what is known in literature as "metaphor". How would a floating eyeball make use of a ring? Besides which, Gollum claims to have seen him in person, and not only is he NOT a floating eye, he says that his hand is still missing a finger from when Isildur cut it off. Finally, there's Aragorn's line, "Let the lord of the black land come forth, let justice be done on him." How would he expect a floating eye to "come forth"? This line, you will notice, was kept in the movie, and PJ came this close to having Aragorn engaging in combat with a fully corporeal Sauron. At the last minute, he digitally replaced Sauron with a troll, but he still kept the "come forth" line. It's like he himself wasn't sure whether or not Sauron was supposed to be an eye.

/I know, I spend way too much time thinking about this bullshiat

He was represented as a great lidless flame-wreathed eye in the animated Rotk, too. It may be metaphor, but it's also a cool visual, and makes for a creepy, inhuman enemy.

How would a floating eyeball make use of a ring?

The majority of his power was in the Ring. He couldn't become complete and corporeal without the Ring, and if he had gotten it back he has all of his powers and he's physical again.

We know that Sauron was able to maintain a physical form even without his ring, although granted you have to dig beyond LotR. It's in Akallabeth, the story of the downfall of Numenor: Sauron was taken prisoner by the Numenoreans, but it was part of his secret plan to corrupt them. He turned them against the Elves and the Valar of the Blessed Realm, and they mounted a hopeless war against them for dominion of the world. Numenor was destroyed in the war and Sauron lost his body in the destruction, but his spirit somehow survived and was able to generate a new body. He ha ...


Well, it could be that something went wrong the second time, because Sauron didn't willingly part with the Ring. There's enough open space to fill in with imagination, like with the semi-contradictory statements about the Balrog's wings.
 
2012-12-07 10:13:00 PM  

Wayne 985: I'm re-reading The Hobbit right now. The entire Battle of the Five Armies took about 7 minutes to read. I sure as hell HOPE the final movie gives it more screen time than that. What kind of nonsense whining is this?

Great books, great prior films, looking forward to the new movies.


Read the Battle of Pelennor Fields. "One side got an advantage, then it swung to the other, then back to the first, then back to the second, then back to the first, the Witch King and Eowyn fought and she won, then Aragorn shows up and the fighting stops". Probably took up about 3 pages.
 
2012-12-07 10:17:55 PM  

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: LL316: SacriliciousBeerSwiller: On a related note, Stephen Colbert has Peter Jackson on last night, and Colbert was schooling him on Tolkien knowledge. Anyway, supposedly Tolkien at one point was re-writing "The Hobbit" story to be more in line with the somewhat more adult tone of LOTR. After LOTR, he came to consider "The Hobbit" to be a children's book interpretation of a rather dark and complex story...a somewhat sanitized and condensed version of "the real story". So Tolkien set about re-doing it. Someone apparently convinced him that he'd just undermine his original masterpiece, and he stopped working on it.

That's Colbert's story, anyway. Very interesting if true.

I'm interested to see if Jackson maintains the lighter nature of The Hobbit, or tries to make it more consistent with the LOTR. The books definitely had different tones.

Since he's including parts of the appendix in this trilogy, I'm guessing it's a more adult affair.

Stupid Fark really should not post if it's gonna throw out a URL, preview skipped or not...let's try that again:

I hope, but when I see stuff like this:
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...I have some concerns. I mean those don't even look like they live in the same universe as the few dwarves shown in LOTR. They look Disney-fied.


I don't see a problem. All dwarves look different and they match their descriptions in the book.

Bombur is an enormous fatass who is always eating. It fits.
 
2012-12-07 10:24:10 PM  

ClintonKun: stoli n coke: Saiga410: I did not know that PJ cut the Hobbit into 3 movies from a 300 page book. I read slow but I know I could do roughly 100 pages in 2.5 hours.

The Hobbit is only 300 pages? Then why the fark do they need 3 movies that run nearly 3 hours apiece to tell the story? I understand why Lord of the Rings needed it, because that book was freakin enormous.

They're going to show a "side story" that happened at the same time of the Hobbit, which is expanded upon in other books. Basically, it's about what Gandalf is running off to do, whenever he runs off from the Bilbo and the Dwarves. And from what I've read, it leads to a huge moment of awesome.


Awesome. That's what I suspected. Good to know it's true and that they're not deviating too far from the source material (just fleshing it out).
 
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