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(Townhall)   2016: Obama's America denied Oscar nomination. Conservatives outraged to learn that actual truth, not simply box office receipts are a requirement for the 'documentary' category   (townhall.com) divider line 175
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2012-12-07 10:42:00 AM  
Entitlement Class
 
2012-12-07 10:46:09 AM  

vygramul: Drug dealers (the majority of violence - 84% of the homicides the year DC was "murder capital of the world") will get their automatic and semi-automatic weapons smuggled in with their bales of marijuana.


Which was probably the biggest inexcusable omission from the movie - when talking about gun violence in general, the criminal drug culture (and the war on drugs) is paramount.

I've long argued that the fastest way to drastically reduce gun violence is to legalize drugs.
 
2012-12-07 11:00:34 AM  
The academy should've nominated it just to troll the living shiat out of them
 
2012-12-07 11:02:34 AM  
Then explain this fat fark
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2012-12-07 11:03:02 AM  

sprawl15: Old enough to know better: I wonder if they're also butthurt that Atlas Shrugged didn't get a Best Picture nom?

Ugh, I watched Part 1 of that on Netflix and I wanted to demand my monthly streaming fee back.

What a horrific abortion of a movie.

"THE STATE SCIENCE INSTITUTE IS TAXING YOUR MAGIC BRIDGE METAL"
"Then I must set fire to my house!"
"RUN AWAY WITH ME"
"We are all John Galt!"


i.imgur.com
 
2012-12-07 11:04:07 AM  

SilentStrider: I'm thinking of doing a documentary of my own. I'm calling it "Butthurt: What Happens When Conservative Crybabies Don't Get What They Want".


I look forward to Volumes 1-90.
 
2012-12-07 11:06:00 AM  

sprawl15: (the Manson interview was interesting, but kind of hilarious since they listened to KMFDM and not Manson)


The media just said they were Manson fans at the time because everyone in the country knew who he was, and only industrial and metal fans had heard of KMFDM and Rammstein.

It reminds me of The Simpsons episode where Kent Brockman can't pronounc Kuala Lumpur so he just crosses it out and writes in "France".
 
2012-12-07 11:06:20 AM  

Britney Spear's Speculum: The academy should've nominated it just to troll the living shiat out of them


Have it be collectively booed during it's mention.....that would have been great.
 
2012-12-07 11:07:25 AM  

Lane83: SilentStrider: I'm thinking of doing a documentary of my own. I'm calling it "Butthurt: What Happens When Conservative Crybabies Don't Get What They Want".

I look forward to Volumes 1-90.


They already have documentaries about what caused the U.S.'s economic collapse.
 
2012-12-07 11:10:41 AM  

kobrakai: sprawl15: Eh, I still don't know what the point was of Bowling for Columbine

You missing the point is not surprising. He presented what he could and left the conclusions up to the viewer.


That's a bit of a stretch. There was a conspicuous focus on the NRA that I agree felt out of place in what was ostensibly an attempt to understand Columbine and other (at the time) fresh tragedies from a sociological perspective. He clearly made the movie with the intention of going a little Brady Campaign, but I'm sure that making this movie led to many a confrontation with the NRA. I think he got confused part way through about why he was making that movie. It's a convenient vehicle to show what the NRA was about at the time, and I'm kind of glad it's in there, but it doesn't entirely fit with the rest of the film.

All the same, I think we can agree that it was a visually compelling and often emotionally stirring (again particularly at the time of its release) documentary that made a lot of people start thinking more critically about where this country should stand on gun rights/gun control.
 
2012-12-07 11:16:08 AM  
upload.wikimedia.org

Oh haigaizwusgngoninthread?
 
2012-12-07 11:17:19 AM  
i50.tinypic.com

And after such high critical acclaim. Grass root astroturf campaigns; how do they work?
 
2012-12-07 11:17:20 AM  

sprawl15: vygramul: Drug dealers (the majority of violence - 84% of the homicides the year DC was "murder capital of the world") will get their automatic and semi-automatic weapons smuggled in with their bales of marijuana.

Which was probably the biggest inexcusable omission from the movie - when talking about gun violence in general, the criminal drug culture (and the war on drugs) is paramount.

I've long argued that the fastest way to drastically reduce gun violence is to legalize drugs.


That sounds like a whole different film.
 
2012-12-07 11:17:29 AM  

Byno: [upload.wikimedia.org image 220x318]

Oh haigaizwusgngoninthread?


I see a celebration of life, like Hoop Dreams or Finding Forrester! Maybe they're going to find Forrester!

...In Poland.
 
2012-12-07 11:18:38 AM  

whistleridge: This. I loathe Michael Moore, because he takes stances that I agree with and then uses his shady techniques to utterly destroy my side's credibility. Shut up already, you're. not. helping!


^^^
 
2012-12-07 11:20:23 AM  

Fart_Machine: That sounds like a whole different film.


Yes, and a much more relevant one.
 
2012-12-07 11:21:09 AM  

hbk72777: Then explain this fat fark


It's not his fault that 2016 sucked.
 
2012-12-07 11:26:04 AM  

sprawl15: Fart_Machine: That sounds like a whole different film.

Yes, and a much more relevant one.


There's got to be a decent documentary about the War on Drugs.
 
2012-12-07 11:26:22 AM  

sprawl15: vygramul: Drug dealers (the majority of violence - 84% of the homicides the year DC was "murder capital of the world") will get their automatic and semi-automatic weapons smuggled in with their bales of marijuana.

Which was probably the biggest inexcusable omission from the movie - when talking about gun violence in general, the criminal drug culture (and the war on drugs) is paramount.

I've long argued that the fastest way to drastically reduce gun violence is to legalize drugs.


In the 90s the mentality was that gun violence was limited to urban communities and resultant from drug industry.

Columbine was iconic. We hadn't really seen a high school student plan and execute a mass killing of his peers before. Let alone in the middle of Colorado. It opened our eyes to many things we had been purposely blind to. The importance and impacts of bullying. The obvious question of how a 17 year old managed to acquire a Tec-9. And of course there's the case study in our national reaction to the tragedy. The question we asked as a country wasn't "how were bullies allowed to push their classmates to this point?" or "how was the support not provided to these clearly troubles kids who were being bullied?" no.

The first questions out of our lips were about the guns. "How can we limit access to guns like those?" and "How can you even discuss violating the second amendment."

That case study, interestingly enough, answers the question of why Columbine happened in the first place.

We farking LOVE violence. We farking LOVE bullies. And we farking LOVE guns.

Why? Because if we didn't, then we'd have to confront the ugly truth that we are Violent, Gun toting Bullies in international politics. And we wouldn't want to shatter our illusion of American Exceptionalism.
 
2012-12-07 11:27:23 AM  

Koalaesq: Did anyone here actually see this movie? I assume most democrats didn't, not wanting to add to its box office gross. I know it was a hit piece, I just don't know how bad it really was.


I saw it. From a technical standpoint, it was very well done. The problem with it was its inherent dishonesty and ridiculous speculation.
 
2012-12-07 11:32:29 AM  
You know, as an English major, I'd like to say something to you farkwits. Sure, I might have started off a psych major; sure, I might spend my time analyzing books; but at the end of the day, you are in an academic setting you f**king morons, just like anyone else who publishes a work in the media. Believe it or not, putting your shiat on film? Does not change that. In fact, it moves it into the arena of English majors. I'm even doing a paper for my final that's going to be using movies for almost two-thirds of the sourcing, because that's what we English majors study. You might be fooled by the shiatty journalism, but you are actually being judged by people who know what the fark they're doing.

You weren't nominated because your work was a steaming pile of shiat. You have no right whatsoever, once you've entered the game, to whine that you lost because you're too delusional to connect to reality. The Oscars exist to honor film works that actually manage to contribute something to the country, and hopefully the world. You did not do that. Shut up, take some damn personal responsibility for once in your life, and try and learn something, you bigoted freaks of nature.

/...Wow. I am so pleasant this morning.
 
2012-12-07 11:35:07 AM  

BeesNuts: The question we asked as a country wasn't "how were bullies allowed to push their classmates to this point?" or "how was the support not provided to these clearly troubles kids who were being bullied?" no.


In fact, it was worse than that. As a nation, we decided what was needed was NOT punishing or giving counseling to the abusers, but that the bullied need counseling so that they can cope with their abuse. It was (and still is) appalling.
 
2012-12-07 11:35:11 AM  

PsiChick: /...Wow. I am so pleasant this morning.


Coffee can be bitter. But it still perks me up in the morning ;-)
 
2012-12-07 11:37:30 AM  
I was flipping through Netflix newly-added last night, and ran across "O.B.A.M. Nude".

Synopsis is: "A cocaine-addled Occidental College student makes a deal with the devil to allow him to transfer to Columbia then Harvard, become President, and destroy the country and the Constitution"

I thought, you know, this could actually be a HILARIOUS satire of the actual beliefs of the nutty right.. So I looked it up. Yeaaaah, it's pretty much some guy's actual beliefs. He even stars.

/I have to admit though, in interviews he gave Obama props for being a great American success story
//And seems to not make a big deal about race.
 
2012-12-07 11:44:19 AM  
Has anyone said Michale Moore is fat?
 
2012-12-07 11:45:20 AM  

EyeballKid: You wanna be mad at somebody, be mad at the NRA for making a has-been with dementia their president.


You are correct; allowing Mr. Heston, who announced his diagnosis of Alzheimer's in 2002 and who left the NRA in 2003, President in 1998 was a substantial error by the National Rifle Association.
 
2012-12-07 11:48:35 AM  

BeesNuts: That case study, interestingly enough, answers the question of why Columbine happened in the first place.

We farking LOVE violence. We farking LOVE bullies. And we farking LOVE guns.


Except it didn't address bullies significantly (unless you equate their discussion of the NRA to discussion of bullies, which is a HUGE stretch), and it came out and said that a love of guns or violence alone isn't enough to be causal with the examples of Canada and Japan.

It spend more time with the Unabomber's relatives than talking about bullies.
 
2012-12-07 11:49:30 AM  

neenerist: [i50.tinypic.com image 687x325]

And after such high critical acclaim. Grass root astroturf campaigns; how do they work?


The Rotten Tomatoes rating is not the final unskewed rating.
 
2012-12-07 11:54:06 AM  

Dimensio: EyeballKid: You wanna be mad at somebody, be mad at the NRA for making a has-been with dementia their president.

You are correct; allowing Mr. Heston, who announced his diagnosis of Alzheimer's in 2002 and who left the NRA in 2003, President in 1998 was a substantial error by the National Rifle Association.


Wayne LaPierre is far more batshait crazy than Heston was and far more vocal as a VP.
 
2012-12-07 11:55:21 AM  

Diogenes: PsiChick: /...Wow. I am so pleasant this morning.

Coffee can be bitter. But it still perks me up in the morning ;-)


:)
 
2012-12-07 11:57:00 AM  

sprawl15: BeesNuts: That case study, interestingly enough, answers the question of why Columbine happened in the first place.

We farking LOVE violence. We farking LOVE bullies. And we farking LOVE guns.

Except it didn't address bullies significantly (unless you equate their discussion of the NRA to discussion of bullies, which is a HUGE stretch), and it came out and said that a love of guns or violence alone isn't enough to be causal with the examples of Canada and Japan.

It spend more time with the Unabomber's relatives than talking about bullies.


Everything I've read post-Columbine has stated that the bully angle was BS. One was a psychotic and the other was easily led.
 
2012-12-07 12:00:23 PM  

Fart_Machine: sprawl15: Fart_Machine: That sounds like a whole different film.

Yes, and a much more relevant one.

There's got to be a decent documentary about the War on Drugs.


"Grass" and "The Union" are both quite well done.
 
2012-12-07 12:00:48 PM  

Headso: Why do they care what Hollyweird has to say anyways? Make your own conservative Oscars and rent out the big hall in the creationist museum to hand them out.


heavymetal: They should have nominated it for some fiction/fantasy film type award just for the added right wing butthurt.

// Que the "Unskewed Oscars" being created in 5.....4......3......


Well, I see I'm already here, I'll just show myself out.
 
2012-12-07 12:04:16 PM  

basham: The problem with it was its inherent dishonesty and ridiculous speculation.


I lasted less than 20 minutes. DD'S begins a film based on the premise Obama's colonial life molded his view of American democracy with an autobiographical detour into his childhood in .... India. When he talked about busting the balls of fellow students naively commenting positively on his country of birth I punted. As did his books I tossed in disgust decades ago, DD'S continues to demonstrate himself a whiny sycophant clinger to power brokers. His personality type is the raw material of fervent totalitarianism throughout history. No wonder the Right find him a useful stooge.
 
2012-12-07 12:09:10 PM  
For your consideration:

www.movieposterdb.com
 
2012-12-07 12:17:02 PM  

Philip Francis Queeg: Glenn Beck is launching a reality show with Vince Vaughn and Peter Billingsley to find great documentary filmmakers.

 

www.flicklives.com

Oh, ffffffffuuuuuuuuuuuuuuudge.
 
2012-12-07 12:31:13 PM  

CPennypacker: Dinesh D'Souza is the emperor of intellectual dishonesty.


This is the guy who pretended to be gay, joined Dartmouth's gay and lesbian support group, then outed everyone in the school newspaper as "sodomites amongst us."

"Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy." - Ezk 16:49

I'm not so encumbered by feelings that I'd feel bad if he got dragged out into the street and shot.
 
2012-12-07 12:35:46 PM  

vygramul: The guns used at Columbine are largely irrelevant. Even Canada has pump-action shotguns, which were some of the guns used. Most firearms homicides are not the victims of assault rifles, and about half of firearms deaths are suicides, so the semi-automatic nature of the weapon is pretty irrelevant. A man angry at his wife (domestic murder being high on the list) can go and get his rifle just as easily as his handgun. Drug dealers (the majority of violence - 84% of the homicides the year DC was "murde ...


All of those things are true, in theory. But in practice, use of long guns in crimes (in Canada) is exceedingly rare. Yes, you can saw them off and so on, but that's rarely the case. It may be true that auto and semiauto weapons aren't often used in crimes (high profile ones like the theatre and congressperson shootings excepted), but there's no question that they up the carnage factor.

My point remains- the type of weapon matters, because long guns, particularly single shot rifles, which account for the lion's share of Canadian guns, are impractical for the purpose. I'm not suggesting any particular path of gun control to Americans, I'm just saying that Moore's comparison is inaccurate, as is yours.
 
2012-12-07 12:54:20 PM  
The only avowedly conservative documentary i can ever recall being nominated for an Oscar was one about Waco and the Branch Davidians. But that not only presented previously unknown facts it also kept the derp factor to a minimum.
 
2012-12-07 12:59:56 PM  

Fart_Machine: Dimensio: EyeballKid: You wanna be mad at somebody, be mad at the NRA for making a has-been with dementia their president.

You are correct; allowing Mr. Heston, who announced his diagnosis of Alzheimer's in 2002 and who left the NRA in 2003, President in 1998 was a substantial error by the National Rifle Association.

Wayne LaPierre is far more batshait crazy than Heston was and far more vocal as a VP.


I do not deny that.

One of the greatest risks to our civilian firearm ownership rights today is advocates for those rights appealing to fantasy and to fiction rather than presenting the actual reasons why an "assault weapons ban" is an irrational proposal and demonstrating that "shall issue" based concealed weapons permit systems do not increase rates of violent crime. Their hyperbolic rhetoric, when seen as being divorced from reality, is likely to cause otherwise rational individuals to accept as valid the demonstrably dishonest arguments of the Brady Center and the Violence Policy Center.
 
2012-12-07 01:09:54 PM  

unyon: vygramul: The guns used at Columbine are largely irrelevant. Even Canada has pump-action shotguns, which were some of the guns used. Most firearms homicides are not the victims of assault rifles, and about half of firearms deaths are suicides, so the semi-automatic nature of the weapon is pretty irrelevant. A man angry at his wife (domestic murder being high on the list) can go and get his rifle just as easily as his handgun. Drug dealers (the majority of violence - 84% of the homicides the year DC was "murde ...

All of those things are true, in theory. But in practice, use of long guns in crimes (in Canada) is exceedingly rare. Yes, you can saw them off and so on, but that's rarely the case. It may be true that auto and semiauto weapons aren't often used in crimes (high profile ones like the theatre and congressperson shootings excepted), but there's no question that they up the carnage factor.

My point remains- the type of weapon matters, because long guns, particularly single shot rifles, which account for the lion's share of Canadian guns, are impractical for the purpose. I'm not suggesting any particular path of gun control to Americans, I'm just saying that Moore's comparison is inaccurate, as is yours.


And we return to exactly the question, why is crime rare. I bet even the rate of single-shot murder is lowed in Canada.
 
2012-12-07 01:19:40 PM  
How can you have a 'documentary' about the future?
 
2012-12-07 01:25:09 PM  

maudibjr: How can you have a 'documentary' about the future?


In the same way Al Gore had a documentary about global warming.

The content of the documentary is based on past and present trends, and draws a warning conclusion about the future based on said content.
 
2012-12-07 01:31:51 PM  

Hickory-smoked: Fart_Machine: sprawl15: Fart_Machine: That sounds like a whole different film.

Yes, and a much more relevant one.

There's got to be a decent documentary about the War on Drugs.

"Grass" and "The Union" are both quite well done.


Thanks.
 
2012-12-07 02:01:14 PM  

Dimensio: neenerist: [i50.tinypic.com image 687x325]

And after such high critical acclaim. Grass root astroturf campaigns; how do they work?

The Rotten Tomatoes rating is not the final unskewed rating.


Rotten Tomatoes is clearly slurping on OBIGOT's gigantic Kenyan penis.

We need to start an unbiased movie review site. Conserva-Tomatoes, perhaps.
 
2012-12-07 02:03:43 PM  

Pants full of macaroni!!: Dimensio: neenerist: [i50.tinypic.com image 687x325]

And after such high critical acclaim. Grass root astroturf campaigns; how do they work?

The Rotten Tomatoes rating is not the final unskewed rating.

Rotten Tomatoes is clearly slurping on OBIGOT's gigantic Kenyan penis.

We need to start an unbiased movie review site. Conserva-Tomatoes, perhaps.


RottenPotatoes.com
 
2012-12-07 02:10:48 PM  

Dimensio: Quality documentaries are often overlooked by the Academy, as is evident by the absence of any awards given for the 1984 documentary Red Dawn.


Ok, you got me. Lulz.
 
2012-12-07 02:10:48 PM  

Carth: I guess I missed the point of Bowling for Columbine when I saw it. I thought it was: "American news and media has created a culture of fear that causes so many Americans to feel they NEED a handgun. This combined with improper training and storage of firearms leads to tragedies."


That's what I got out of it also.
 
2012-12-07 02:14:17 PM  

Philip Francis Queeg: Headso: Why do they care what Hollyweird has to say anyways? Make your own conservative Oscars and rent out the big hall in the creationist museum to hand them out.

Glenn Beck is launching a reality show with Vince Vaughn and Peter Billingsley to find great documentary filmmakers.

Vaughn is one of Hollywood's highest profile conservatives, and a recent Ron Paul supporter. Billingsley, a producer and director who often works with Vaughn, is celebrated this time of year for his childhood role in the classic film "A Christmas Story."

The new reality show, called "Pursuit of Truth," will air on Beck's TheBlazeTV. It will feature documentaries submitted to the show as it seeks "the world's next great documentary filmmaker." Twenty competitors will see the ultimate prize of financing and worldwide distribution.]


wat
 
2012-12-07 02:21:06 PM  

Dr Dreidel: RottenPotatoes.com

 
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