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(Townhall)   2016: Obama's America denied Oscar nomination. Conservatives outraged to learn that actual truth, not simply box office receipts are a requirement for the 'documentary' category   (townhall.com) divider line 175
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2012-12-07 08:46:37 AM
I'm thinking of doing a documentary of my own. I'm calling it "Butthurt: What Happens When Conservative Crybabies Don't Get What They Want".
 
2012-12-07 08:51:40 AM
It would be a shoe in if there was a Category for failed political propaganda.

It would take home the coveted Whargarbley. Which is a six inch tall potato statue made out of fools gold.
 
2012-12-07 08:56:00 AM
Please, right-wingers, keep reminding people what a bunch of lunatics1 you are. Nothing bad could possibly befall you by continuing to flog the issues that saw you get rejected by the majority of the electorate this year.

1Louis Gohmert says I can still say this
 
2012-12-07 08:56:26 AM
This is satire, right?

Right?
 
2012-12-07 09:01:08 AM
Michael Moore plays loose with the facts, but he was still nominated I believe. It's not that truth itself is a condition for getting a nod, it's plausibility.
 
2012-12-07 09:01:33 AM
Ah yes, the old "If we let things go to hell the voters will blame the President and come rushing back into the GOP fold". That worked so well for them last time.
 
2012-12-07 09:02:18 AM
Somebody get the crying bald eagle in here, because I am just devastated.
 
2012-12-07 09:02:30 AM

SilentStrider: I'm thinking of doing a documentary of my own. I'm calling it "Butthurt: What Happens When Conservative Crybabies Don't Get What They Want".


Set it to yakety sax, run it a few frames per second faster than normal and you have the American Benny Hill. (Unfortunately instead of Hill chasing buxom women it will be wide stances)
 
2012-12-07 09:02:30 AM
Oops, wrong thread.
 
2012-12-07 09:03:36 AM
Maybe they'll get the award in four years.
 
2012-12-07 09:03:51 AM
Propaganda cannot be categorized as a documentary. Though they should be fair since Michael Moore is pretty much propaganda.
 
2012-12-07 09:04:11 AM
Really, Subby? Then why did "Bowling for Columbine" win?

Moore did a lot of "creative reinterpretation of reality" in that one. Hell, he does it in most of his work.
 
2012-12-07 09:04:12 AM
Did anyone here actually see this movie? I assume most democrats didn't, not wanting to add to its box office gross. I know it was a hit piece, I just don't know how bad it really was.
 
2012-12-07 09:04:36 AM

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: Michael Moore plays loose with the facts, but he was still nominated I believe. It's not that truth itself is a condition for getting a nod, it's plausibility.


You can believe that, but, no, he didn't "play loose with the facts" (i.e., lie, like the movie in question) as much as he did play loose with the presentation of those facts. And, yes, he was nominated.

At the end of the day, a documentary should actually, well, document something. The only thing "documented" by that movie is the long slide into extremist insanity that many Republicans took as a result of Obama's Presidency.
 
2012-12-07 09:05:01 AM
FTFA The cabal that chooses the 15 nominees for the Academy Award...

Ahh... loaded words from stupid people. I will just use my imagination instead of reading the rest of that.
 
2012-12-07 09:05:19 AM
Remind me why they'd want to be nominated by Hollywood and the libbiest libs that every libbed? Is it because it would lend credibility to their movie? Or is it because they could whip everyone into a frenzy and ship more copies?
 
2012-12-07 09:06:09 AM

SilentStrider: I'm thinking of doing a documentary of my own. I'm calling it "Butthurt: What Happens When Conservative Crybabies Don't Get What They Want".


Alexandra Pelosi already did it. Look for Right America: Feeling Wronged.
 
2012-12-07 09:06:40 AM

SilentStrider: I'm thinking of doing a documentary of my own. I'm calling it "Butthurt: What Happens When Conservative Crybabies Don't Get What They Want".


I'd buy a ticket.
 
2012-12-07 09:07:27 AM
Why do they care what Hollyweird has to say anyways? Make your own conservative Oscars and rent out the big hall in the creationist museum to hand them out.
 
2012-12-07 09:08:54 AM
The documentary category can be pretty tough. I thought Paradise Lost 3 was a shoo-in last year, and even they couldn't win, and that series actually saved someone's life.

Or maybe 2016 just wasn't a very good movie. Say what you will about Michael Moore, but Bowling For Columbine was at least entertaining, even if you didn't agree with the politics.

The Academy might be looking for something more than just someone yelling "OBAMA BAD!" for 90 minutes.
 
2012-12-07 09:09:15 AM

Marcus Aurelius: This is satire, right?

Right?


Townhall and American Thinker are always satire.
It's unintentional satire sure, but still satire.
 
2012-12-07 09:09:19 AM
Quality documentaries are often overlooked by the Academy, as is evident by the absence of any awards given for the 1984 documentary Red Dawn.
 
2012-12-07 09:09:27 AM
Dinesh D'Souza is the emperor of intellectual dishonesty.
 
2012-12-07 09:09:49 AM
 
2012-12-07 09:11:32 AM

Philip Francis Queeg: Headso: Why do they care what Hollyweird has to say anyways? Make your own conservative Oscars and rent out the big hall in the creationist museum to hand them out.

Glenn Beck is launching a reality show with Vince Vaughn and Peter Billingsley to find great documentary filmmakers.

Vaughn is one of Hollywood's highest profile conservatives, and a recent Ron Paul supporter. Billingsley, a producer and director who often works with Vaughn, is celebrated this time of year for his childhood role in the classic film "A Christmas Story."

The new reality show, called "Pursuit of Truth," will air on Beck's TheBlazeTV. It will feature documentaries submitted to the show as it seeks "the world's next great documentary filmmaker." Twenty competitors will see the ultimate prize of financing and worldwide distribution.]


Wow. It's Project Derp Light.
 
2012-12-07 09:11:37 AM
Documentaries are non-fiction by definition.
 
2012-12-07 09:11:47 AM
They should have nominated it for some fiction/fantasy film type award just for the added right wing butthurt.

// Que the "Unskewed Oscars" being created in 5.....4......3......
 
2012-12-07 09:13:21 AM

GoodyearPimp: Remind me why they'd want to be nominated by Hollywood and the libbiest libs that every libbed? Is it because it would lend credibility to their movie? Or is it because they could whip everyone into a frenzy and ship more copies?


Yes. Now that the election is over, the market for this movie is evaporating very fast. Same thing happened to Farenheit 9/11, Once the 2004 election was over, that flick took the bullet train into the bargain bin. Political propoganda is useless when the event they were trying to influence is over.

They needed to be able to market it as Oscar nominated or Oscar winning to try to get people to want to watch it.
 
2012-12-07 09:13:38 AM
Liebrul conspiracy!
 
2012-12-07 09:14:14 AM

FormlessOne: You can believe that, but, no, he didn't "play loose with the facts" (i.e., lie, like the movie in question)


Eh, I still don't know what the point was of Bowling for Columbine. It kept building to a point, then losing itself by countering the point. And the most interesting parts of the movie tended to be blatantly false or imply the blatantly false (the instant gun at the bank, the KKK/NRA cartoon, the portrayal of the NRA's Colorado rally after Columbine, the bit about the NRA coming to Flint to talk about the shooting of the little girl, etc).

It tried to argue that guns themselves - or access to the guns - was the problem, then countered that with talk of Canada and Switzerland. It kind of shifted to it just being a violent mentality - that we're exposed to violence throughout our media to an extent not seen elsewhere and that begets more violence, but that was undermined by bringing up Japan (though a lot of Asian media tends towards hyperviolence). It kind of tried to attack the NRA, but none of the points were really based on anything but NRA bad.

I mean, I've seen it probably a half dozen to a dozen times and the best I can figure out is that he really wanted to make one movie and then changed his mind halfway through.
 
2012-12-07 09:14:18 AM

Philip Francis Queeg: Headso: Why do they care what Hollyweird has to say anyways? Make your own conservative Oscars and rent out the big hall in the creationist museum to hand them out.

Glenn Beck is launching a reality show with Vince Vaughn and Peter Billingsley to find great documentary filmmakers.

Vaughn is one of Hollywood's highest profile conservatives, and a recent Ron Paul supporter. Billingsley, a producer and director who often works with Vaughn, is celebrated this time of year for his childhood role in the classic film "A Christmas Story."

The new reality show, called "Pursuit of Truth," will air on Beck's TheBlazeTV. It will feature documentaries submitted to the show as it seeks "the world's next great documentary filmmaker." Twenty competitors will see the ultimate prize of financing and worldwide distribution.]


Every award will go to that kid who dressed up like a pimp and tried to sexually assault that CNN reporter.
 
2012-12-07 09:14:28 AM
I personally don't find it too impressive that it's the 4th highest grossing documentary of all time when you have conservatives being bussed to go see the movie in droves.

Also, the top 10 highest grossing documentaries:

1. Fahrenheit 9/11 . . . $119 million
2. March of the Penguins . . . $77 million
3. Justin Bieber: Never Say Never . . . $73 million
4. 2016: Obama's America . . . $33 million
5. Earth . . . $32 million
6. Chimpanzee . . . $~29 million
7. Katy Perry: Part of Me . . . $25 million
8. Sicko . . . $24 million
9. An Inconvenient Truth . . . $24 million
10. Bowling for Columbine . . . $21 million

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/genres/chart/?id=documentary.htm

Also, the Academy has rarely, if ever, given a flying fark about how much a movie grossed in relation to whether or not to nominate.
 
2012-12-07 09:15:23 AM

SilentStrider: I'm thinking of doing a documentary of my own. I'm calling it "Butthurt: What Happens When Conservative Crybabies Don't Get What They Want".


2.bp.blogspot.com

I'm thinking OSCARRRR!
 
2012-12-07 09:15:51 AM

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: Every award will go to that kid who dressed up like a pimp and tried to sexually assault that CNN reporter.


i.imgur.com
 
2012-12-07 09:15:54 AM

stoli n coke: The documentary category can be pretty tough. I thought Paradise Lost 3 was a shoo-in last year, and even they couldn't win, and that series actually saved someone's life.

Or maybe 2016 just wasn't a very good movie. Say what you will about Michael Moore, but Bowling For Columbine was at least entertaining, even if you didn't agree with the politics.

The Academy might be looking for something more than just someone yelling "OBAMA BAD!" for 90 minutes.


Yeah. MM put together visually engaging, well scored documentaries that were cobbled together from a *shiatload* of original footage. A for Effort, at the very least.

Maybe I'll give 2016 a watch just to have a frame of reference, but if it's anything like the quality coming out of the right wing in other avenues, I'm not sure I'll be able to make it through it.
 
2012-12-07 09:18:04 AM

HeartlineTwist: I personally don't find it too impressive that it's the 4th highest grossing documentary of all time when you have conservatives being bussed to go see the movie in droves.


Ah. So, it was Passioned? And, why is it all these rugged individuals can't go anywhere unless they're constantly in the presence of like-minded individuals? Isn't AM radio there to serve as the echo chamber when you can't get it live? Are Hovarounds the first step in assimilation to the Borg?
 
2012-12-07 09:19:27 AM

SilentStrider: I'm thinking of doing a documentary of my own. I'm calling it "Butthurt: What Happens When Conservative Crybabies Don't Get What They Want".


I would watch this. If a film crew had been following Romney around and interviewing cons and then followed them through the humiliating defeat and subsequent butt-hurt as reality set in.

Call it Delicious Tears. Get an Oscar.
 
2012-12-07 09:19:30 AM

cirby: Really, Subby? Then why did "Bowling for Columbine" win?

Moore did a lot of "creative reinterpretation of reality" in that one. Hell, he does it in most of his work.


This. I loathe Michael Moore, because he takes stances that I agree with and then uses his shady techniques to utterly destroy my side's credibility. Shut up already, you're. not. helping!

That being said, at least Moore can be moderately amusing/entertaining. 2016 was the film equivalent of being trapped on the couch by Great Uncle Lenny and having to listen his rants about how Young People Have No Respect and This Country Is Going to Hell: morbidly unfunny, tedious, and even painful.
 
2012-12-07 09:20:33 AM

HeartlineTwist: I personally don't find it too impressive that it's the 4th highest grossing documentary of all time when you have conservatives being bussed to go see the movie in droves.

Also, the top 10 highest grossing documentaries:

1. Fahrenheit 9/11 . . . $119 million
2. March of the Penguins . . . $77 million
3. Justin Bieber: Never Say Never . . . $73 million
4. 2016: Obama's America . . . $33 million
5. Earth . . . $32 million
6. Chimpanzee . . . $~29 million
7. Katy Perry: Part of Me . . . $25 million
8. Sicko . . . $24 million
9. An Inconvenient Truth . . . $24 million
10. Bowling for Columbine . . . $21 million

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/genres/chart/?id=documentary.htm

Also, the Academy has rarely, if ever, given a flying fark about how much a movie grossed in relation to whether or not to nominate.


I don't know what a Justin Bieber is, but at least it's good for kicking Dinesh D'Souza's butt.
 
2012-12-07 09:22:13 AM

SilentStrider: I'm thinking of doing a documentary of my own. I'm calling it "Butthurt: What Happens When Conservative Crybabies Don't Get What They Want".


So you're going to record 2 random hours of Fox News?
 
2012-12-07 09:22:35 AM

Koalaesq: Did anyone here actually see this movie? I assume most democrats didn't, not wanting to add to its box office gross. I know it was a hit piece, I just don't know how bad it really was.


I didn't see it and I believe the odds are in my favor that the strongest opinion against this film are held by people who never saw it. I at least have seen the Moore films I bash.
 
2012-12-07 09:23:21 AM

Yakk: FTFA The cabal that chooses the 15 nominees for the Academy Award...

Ahh... loaded words from stupid people. I will just use my imagination instead of reading the rest of that.


I just want to go on record that I had nothing to do with it.
 
2012-12-07 09:23:27 AM
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2012-12-07 09:23:44 AM
Is the documentary called "The Hacktivists" on the list? That was a pretty good documentary I saw this fall.
 
2012-12-07 09:24:46 AM
Why I am not totally surprised to discover that Vince Vaughn is a tea baggin douche bag?
 
2012-12-07 09:24:54 AM

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: Michael Moore plays loose with the facts, but he was still nominated I believe. It's not that truth itself is a condition for getting a nod, it's plausibility.


Either way a Documentary is not intended to future telling. If I made a "documentary" called 2020 about flying cars. Even if I was correct in my predictions, its not a documentary its fortune telling. One could argue Global Warming is also an attempt at fortune telling as well I guess, meh.
 
2012-12-07 09:25:09 AM
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Way to html, fellas.

protesters of over

Oh, FFS. Hire a god-damned editor. Is this shiat in the print version, too?

As for the whining about not getting an Oscar nod, them's the breaks. Try not releasing the film equivalent of a cheeto-stained manifesto next time.
 
2012-12-07 09:26:16 AM
It's because the film didn't predict Benghazi.
 
2012-12-07 09:26:29 AM
Subject matter, content, factual accuracy and presentation are separate but overlapping elements. Moore's subject matter is usually topical and highly relevant to contemporaneous political and social issues. His content, however, is selective, and there is no doubt but that it comes from his perspective and not an utterly objective view. Factual accuracy and thoroughness is also a legitimate area for criticism, since he does emphasize what supports his viewpoint and suppresses or mischaracterizes some contrary facts. Presentation is probably Moore's strongest area, because even if you find flaws in the content or facts presented, the films are generally highly watchable and border on entertaining at some points.

This "documentary" by Douchesouza is, by all accounts, an utterly unrepentant and irredeemable smear propaganda campaign without any remote connection to factual reality. So, really, there's no comparison.
 
2012-12-07 09:26:59 AM

stoli n coke: The documentary category can be pretty tough. I thought Paradise Lost 3 was a shoo-in last year, and even they couldn't win, and that series actually saved someone's life.

Or maybe 2016 just wasn't a very good movie. Say what you will about Michael Moore, but Bowling For Columbine was at least entertaining, even if you didn't agree with the politics.

The Academy might be looking for something more than just someone yelling "OBAMA BAD!" for 90 minutes.


I watched it with a friend who is more liberal than I and even donated money to handguncontrol.org every time the NRA sent him a mailer. He was almost throwing things in anger after about 30 seconds into Moore's "History" because it was such bullshiat.

Despite Moore's gross distortions and intentional deceptions, he does ask a few good questions, especially his last one asking why Canada, with so many guns, has so little violence.
 
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