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(AEI Ideas)   10 charts that document the entitlement explosion. Bonus: not a slide show   (aei-ideas.org ) divider line
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2012-12-07 08:48:03 AM  
I got about 10 charts that can show you how to kiss my ass.
 
2012-12-07 08:50:54 AM  
The elderly, the disabled, widows and widowers, their children, the poor: Let's just put them all on ice floes and be done with them.

/That's the conservatives' way.
 
2012-12-07 08:52:16 AM  
Someone isn't being very bootstrappy.

www.aei-ideas.org
 
2012-12-07 08:52:49 AM  
Did they include Home Mortgage Interest Deductions, 529, Student Loans, etc. as part of the entitlements?

craphound.com
 
2012-12-07 08:59:09 AM  

hinten: Did they include Home Mortgage Interest Deductions, 529, Student Loans, etc. as part of the entitlements?

[craphound.com image 600x357]


About 75% of the people on welfare and food stamps admit to having government help? Those people didn't have the right Coach.
 
2012-12-07 08:59:47 AM  
Who knew that Fark had a source image for the AEI?
 
2012-12-07 09:04:38 AM  

AirForceVet: The elderly, the disabled, widows and widowers, their children, the poor: Let's just put them all on ice floes and be done with them.

/That's the conservatives' way.


Do we have enough ice floes? Where will we put the polar bears?
 
2012-12-07 09:08:07 AM  
2. The rate of entitlement growth per capita has been nearly twice as fast as per capita income growth for the last fifty years

So let's bust some more unions!
 
2012-12-07 09:12:35 AM  

Snarfangel: AirForceVet: The elderly, the disabled, widows and widowers, their children, the poor: Let's just put them all on ice floes and be done with them.

/That's the conservatives' way.

Do we have enough ice floes? Where will we put the polar bears?


You give them a tray of ice and push em in the water.
 
2012-12-07 09:13:03 AM  
You know if we just turned the poors into ground meat products, we wouldn't have this disgusting entitlement explosion
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-12-07 09:18:57 AM  
the leading architects of the second Bush administration's public policy

Yes, these are the guys you want to listen to. 


And:

upload.wikimedia.org
 
2012-12-07 09:25:30 AM  
As was pointed out already in the comments on the article, the charts are disingenuous because they include Social Security and Medicare Part A in their list of "entitlements", which is not analytically sound, as both of those programs function entirely on their own, outside of the main budget except for reporting requirements. They are not "entitlements" because they (currently at least) pay for themselves.
 
2012-12-07 09:29:06 AM  

Cythraul: I got about 10 charts that can show you how to kiss my ass.


How big is your ass that you need 10 charts?
 
2012-12-07 09:44:02 AM  

ManateeGag: Cythraul: I got about 10 charts that can show you how to kiss my ass.

How big is your ass that you need 10 charts?


It's huge. I work out a lot. But I work out only my ass muscles.
 
2012-12-07 09:44:20 AM  
Tl dr: medicaid/care costs have increased dramatically. So we should biatch and wine about are medical reform and cut pbs/npr funding.
 
2012-12-07 09:47:16 AM  
I wait breathlessly for their charts on corporate welfare and the demographic that benefits most from it
 
2012-12-07 09:50:47 AM  

hinten: Did they include Home Mortgage Interest Deductions, 529, Student Loans, etc. as part of the entitlements?


529's are horseshiat - very questionable "benefit" to them. First of all, they are typically only exempt from state taxes, not federal taxes.

If we're going to argue that tax deductions are benefits, I'd sooner argue that the 15% discount on cap gains over earned income qualifies as an entitlement.
 
2012-12-07 09:56:24 AM  
www.aei-ideas.org 

Maybe, just maybe, this is a function of MORE WOMEN WORKING! Those binders aren't going to fill themselves.
 
2012-12-07 10:03:15 AM  

Rincewind53: As was pointed out already in the comments on the article, the charts are disingenuous because they include Social Security and Medicare Part A in their list of "entitlements", which is not analytically sound, as both of those programs function entirely on their own, outside of the main budget except for reporting requirements. They are not "entitlements" because they (currently at least) pay for themselves.


Don't you get it? "Entitlements" are benefits that go to non-white, non-rich people.
 
2012-12-07 10:03:36 AM  
Worthy of an Obama salute (hand out, palm up)
 
2012-12-07 10:04:31 AM  
I should also point out this this chart is innumerate.

www.aei-ideas.org

This is almost the definition of linear, NOT exponential.
 
2012-12-07 10:05:33 AM  
It seems they left out the chart that shows the trend in subsidies being paid out to corporations since WWII. I'm sure that's just an oversight.
 
2012-12-07 10:07:24 AM  

DamnYankees: I should also point out this this chart is innumerate.

[www.aei-ideas.org image 600x372]

This is almost the definition of linear, NOT exponential.


Try y=x1.01

/snerk
 
2012-12-07 10:13:43 AM  

Il Douchey: Worthy of an Obama salute (hand out, palm up)


With your handle, you have chosen wisely
 
2012-12-07 10:26:17 AM  
Is something an "entitlement" when you pay into it month after month, year after year, for decades?
 
2012-12-07 10:47:33 AM  
What a ding-dong.
 
I can't imagine how farked people in this country would be if we didn't have any social safety nets (unemployment, disability, Social Security).  Also the freaking idiots that wanted to privatize SS, basically tieing it directly to market performance kind of completely miss the point of why it had to be created in the first place.
 
2012-12-07 10:48:17 AM  
www.aei-ideas.org

US real GDP tripled from 1960-2010.

The US population doubled from 1960-2010.

We pay into Social Security, Medicare, and Medicaid, so it's not a farking transfer to an individual because the individual has to pay into it to receive it. A good argument can be made that Medicare/Medicaid are underfunded, that's about it.

This chart is basically Bull Sh*t Mountain.

Any questions?

Good. Now STFU.
 
2012-12-07 10:50:14 AM  

bdub77: US real GDP tripled from 1960-2010.

The US population doubled from 1960-2010.


To be somewhat fair, GDP tripled and population doubles, but according to that chart "entitlements" went up 8-fold.
 
2012-12-07 10:59:21 AM  

Cythraul: ManateeGag: Cythraul: I got about 10 charts that can show you how to kiss my ass.

How big is your ass that you need 10 charts?

It's huge. I work out a lot. But I work out only my ass muscles.


in other word, you eat a lot of Little Debbie snack cakes.
 
2012-12-07 11:04:15 AM  

DamnYankees: bdub77: US real GDP tripled from 1960-2010.

The US population doubled from 1960-2010.

To be somewhat fair, GDP tripled and population doubles, but according to that chart "entitlements" went up 8-fold.


Agreed, but as I said it's a bullsh*t chart designed to manipulate people into thinking it's worse than it is. I think the underfunding of medicare and medicaid is mostly to blame. Social Security is certainly not, at least to this point. And again, SS is not an entitlement, unless you think something you pay into your whole life is an entitlement (in fact, there is a good possibility that the SS i've paid into my whole life might not even be available to me, or will give me less than I paid in when I retire).
 
2012-12-07 11:17:36 AM  

ManateeGag: Cythraul: ManateeGag: Cythraul: I got about 10 charts that can show you how to kiss my ass.

How big is your ass that you need 10 charts?

It's huge. I work out a lot. But I work out only my ass muscles.

in other word, you eat a lot of Little Debbie snack cakes.


Well, yeah. But I do a lot of butt flexes while I"m eating them.
 
2012-12-07 11:17:59 AM  

ManateeGag: Cythraul: ManateeGag: Cythraul: I got about 10 charts that can show you how to kiss my ass.

How big is your ass that you need 10 charts?

It's huge. I work out a lot. But I work out only my ass muscles.

in other word, you eat a lot of Little Debbie snack cakes.


Be fair. It's not like he can eat Twinkies.
 
2012-12-07 11:33:43 AM  

Snarfangel: ManateeGag: Cythraul: ManateeGag: Cythraul: I got about 10 charts that can show you how to kiss my ass.

How big is your ass that you need 10 charts?

It's huge. I work out a lot. But I work out only my ass muscles.

in other word, you eat a lot of Little Debbie snack cakes.

Be fair. It's not like he can eat Twinkies.


I'm really not into twinkies. I generally don't find men younger than 30 sexually attractive. Plus, the metrosexual tendencies, with the whole lack of body hair and such is kind of a turn-off as well.
 
2012-12-07 11:40:00 AM  

hinten: Did they include Home Mortgage Interest Deductions, 529, Student Loans, etc. as part of the entitlements?

[craphound.com image 600x357]


I'm guessing yes.

And they clearly didn't include farm subsidies:

www.aei-ideas.org
 
2012-12-07 11:45:06 AM  

DamnYankees: I should also point out this this chart is innumerate.

[www.aei-ideas.org image 600x372]

This is almost the definition of linear, NOT exponential.


It is the dumbest chart I have ever seen because it ignores revenue and GDP growth.

An honest chart should be indicating spending either per capita, as a portion of revenue or as a portion of GDP.
 
2012-12-07 11:47:01 AM  
In other news, the average age of Americans and number of elderly Americans has increased every year for decades.
 
2012-12-07 11:47:52 AM  
This chart also shows the growth in entitlement outlays.

courseware.e-education.psu.edu
 
2012-12-07 11:49:24 AM  

GAT_00: In other news, the average age of Americans and number of elderly Americans has increased every year for decades.


It is even dumber than that, the first chart on the link does not factor in population growth in general.
 
2012-12-07 11:52:04 AM  
Here's government transfer payments per population and personal income per population.

research.stlouisfed.org
 
2012-12-07 11:52:08 AM  
After entitlements explode, you eventually run out of money. Look at detroit. they are filing for bankruptcy. How are they going to take care of the poor and needy now? they are out of money. They had all the best intentions, but now they have nothing left. And so now the poor and needy will suffer even more because Detroit is unable to take care of them anymore.

so yeah, not letting entitlements get out of control is actually a policy to help the poor and needy. we are going to give you a little less now so we can give you something later. the left wants to give them everything now, the future be damned.
 
2012-12-07 11:58:10 AM  

mrshowrules: GAT_00: In other news, the average age of Americans and number of elderly Americans has increased every year for decades.

It is even dumber than that, the first chart on the link does not factor in population growth in general.


Why would it? There was never any intention to make these charts honest.
 
2012-12-07 11:59:06 AM  

doyner: [www.aei-ideas.org image 850x541] 

Maybe, just maybe, this is a function of MORE WOMEN WORKING! Those binders aren't going to fill themselves.


I don't even know what "men" have to do with that graph.

Heading: "As the Welfare State has expanded, Americans are working less."

Yes, as the retired population increases in proportion to total population, a higher percentage of the population won't be working, and will be receiving social security.
 
2012-12-07 11:59:49 AM  

DamnYankees: I should also point out this this chart is innumerate.

[www.aei-ideas.org image 600x372]

This is almost the definition of linear, NOT exponential.


according to that chart, on average about ~$1T 2010 dollars are transferred from the rich to the poor each year. The chart shows 40 years. The equivalent of $40T 2010 dollars have been transferred from the rich to the poor during that time.

And people say the rich don't give their fair share.
 
2012-12-07 12:00:46 PM  

bdub77: DamnYankees: bdub77: US real GDP tripled from 1960-2010.

The US population doubled from 1960-2010.

To be somewhat fair, GDP tripled and population doubles, but according to that chart "entitlements" went up 8-fold.

Agreed, but as I said it's a bullsh*t chart designed to manipulate people into thinking it's worse than it is. I think the underfunding of medicare and medicaid is mostly to blame. Social Security is certainly not, at least to this point. And again, SS is not an entitlement, unless you think something you pay into your whole life is an entitlement (in fact, there is a good possibility that the SS i've paid into my whole life might not even be available to me, or will give me less than I paid in when I retire).


But even those programs have historically been more than self-sustained. SS, for example, often turned a profit. So, the government reallocated the profit to less sustainable programs instead of growing it for future generations. Clinton temporarily advocated turning the program into a lockbox where excess funds couldn't be used to fund other things but that was eventually tossed aside in favor of more allocation.
 
2012-12-07 12:01:33 PM  

DamnYankees: I should also point out this this chart is innumerate.

www.aei-ideas.org

This is almost the definition of linear, NOT exponential.


It's also not current:
research.stlouisfed.org
 
2012-12-07 12:04:01 PM  

bdub77: nd again, SS is not an entitlement, unless you think something you pay into your whole life is an entitlement


I do. I've paid for it my whole life, so I'm "entitled" to that money. Entitlement.

See how conservatives have warped the meaning of "entitlement" to mean almost the complete opposite of its real meaning.
 
2012-12-07 12:05:07 PM  

hinten: Did they include Home Mortgage Interest Deductions, 529, Student Loans, etc. as part of the entitlements?

[craphound.com image 600x357]


You really count the Home Mortgage Interest deduction as a "social program"? Really?
 
2012-12-07 12:07:29 PM  

SlothB77: After entitlements explode, you eventually run out of money. Look at detroit. they are filing for bankruptcy. How are they going to take care of the poor and needy now? they are out of money


Yeah, the CITY of Detroit is going bankrupt because of their welfare system, even though that is handled by the state and federal government, and Detroit's economic problems stem from auto-manufacturing being out-sourced.

Idiot.
 
2012-12-07 12:08:19 PM  

SlothB77: DamnYankees: I should also point out this this chart is innumerate.

[www.aei-ideas.org image 600x372]

This is almost the definition of linear, NOT exponential.

according to that chart, on average about ~$1T 2010 dollars are transferred from the rich to the poor each year. The chart shows 40 years. The equivalent of $40T 2010 dollars have been transferred from the rich to the poor during that time.

And people say the rich don't give their fair share.


Except most "entitlement" programs are paid into by the recipient prior to and after the programs are used. So, for example, Martha works hard and earns an income of $50k a year for ten years. She has paid about 13k in federal taxes - a portion of which funds program x. Martha hits a rough patch and has to use program X for two years (which is what the average length of time a person stays on what we often refer to as Welfare ). She exits the program and returns to work and starts contributing to program x, again.

Most people do contirube more than they end up using. But being non-profit entities, as many are, their goal isn't to maximize profit but to empty the coffers.
 
2012-12-07 12:08:23 PM  

impaler: bdub77: nd again, SS is not an entitlement, unless you think something you pay into your whole life is an entitlement

I do. I've paid for it my whole life, so I'm "entitled" to that money. Entitlement.

See how conservatives have warped the meaning of "entitlement" to mean almost the complete opposite of its real meaning.


I think I originally meant to say 'government transfer' but you are correct there is a sneaky habit of warping words going on.
 
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