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(Detroit Free Press)   11AM: Michigan Republicans introduce right-to-work legislation. 9PM: After locking Capitol doors, bill forced through lame-duck sessions of both state houses. Bonus: "right to work" classified as appropriations, so voters can't overturn it   (freep.com) divider line 265
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2012-12-07 03:32:20 PM  

USA Prime Credit Peggy: I just don't see that sort of thing happening in the real world. Do companies that hire only Union workers never lay off people? Aren't there sufficient laws protecting employees now, so if there were shenanigans in the workplace, they'd be compensated (via lawsuit)?


Union workers do get laid off. However the union can negotiate things like severance pay and retraining benefits. They can fight so that fewer workers are eliminated. They can negotiate protections for those who remain.

Getting compensated via lawsuit for shenanigans in the work place is a long, expensive and ultimately risky proposition for the lone employee. Can they afford an attorney to go up against the company's legal department with their own resources? In many cases, no. And isn't it better to head off the shenanigans before they take affect by having your union intervene on your behalf?
 
2012-12-07 03:34:39 PM  

ryarger: dwrash: As a consumer of laber (which a company is), I should have the RIGHT to shop around for the best possible workers (union or not).

You have that right today in all 50 states.

This law *removes* your right to choose to make your business a closed, Union-only shop. If a Union approaches you with a deal that was *the* best for your business and that deal involved an exclusive agreement, it is now *illegal* for you to make that deal. That was was legal before this law, it is illegal now (assuming Snyder signs it).

Not a single freedom or right is being created/strengthened by this law, and freedom and rights are being restricted. Where is the libertarian brigade to condemn this?


LOL. Show me a company that would love to be a closed shop.
 
2012-12-07 03:34:47 PM  

ryarger: Where is the libertarian brigade to condemn this?



jso2897: minoridiot: I'm not entirely sure why folks are concerned about Right to Work laws. Right to Work laws don't ban unions. I'm in a Right to Work state, and I worked in a union shop in the 80's. What the Right to Work laws do is give the employee freedom of choice whether to join a union or not.

In other words, they allow the State to arbitrarily invalidate the right of two private entities to make contract.


remind me again, how many in a brigade? we're a little light I think :/
 
2012-12-07 03:38:16 PM  

joness0154: BeesNuts: Gosling: PreMortem: If that were to happen, people would come back to the union en masse.

Until the unions get declared illegal. Then what do you do, smart guy?

If the supreme court is 5-4 Liberal: Appeal to the supreme court on the grounds that that would violate the first amendment which guarantees a right to peaceably assemble.

Otherwise, start sharpening the guillotines.

Easy peasy.

Except they're not prohibited from assembling.


How else are you going to "declare unions illegal"?

A union is a free assembly of workers. If union busting is going on Pinkerton style, that's an obvious violation of the law, but if the law itself is changes to make that assembly illegal, then it could easily be made into a first amendment issue. Hell, if Citizens United (also coming to us via unions btw) made it through on the grounds of free speech, than unions themselves being protected on the grounds of free assembly is self evident.

I'm probably misunderstanding your point though. No, unions are not prohibited from assembly. But if they were prohibited from assembly by law, then ... they would be.
 
2012-12-07 03:39:44 PM  

Philip Francis Queeg: USA Prime Credit Peggy: I just don't see that sort of thing happening in the real world. Do companies that hire only Union workers never lay off people? Aren't there sufficient laws protecting employees now, so if there were shenanigans in the workplace, they'd be compensated (via lawsuit)?

Union workers do get laid off. However the union can negotiate things like severance pay and retraining benefits. They can fight so that fewer workers are eliminated. They can negotiate protections for those who remain.

Getting compensated via lawsuit for shenanigans in the work place is a long, expensive and ultimately risky proposition for the lone employee. Can they afford an attorney to go up against the company's legal department with their own resources? In many cases, no. And isn't it better to head off the shenanigans before they take affect by having your union intervene on your behalf?


I've been laid off before, and I was compensated very well for it (again, non Union job). Isn't that generally the rule? Isn't there a law requiring it, even?

I see your point on the attorney thing... But if you own a company, you don't want to treat your workers bad! In this day and age, that shiat gets on Twitter, Facebook, the news, and reflects poorly on your company to your customers (who in turn might choose not to be your customer anymore). Right?
 
2012-12-07 03:47:04 PM  

USA Prime Credit Peggy: I've been laid off before, and I was compensated very well for it (again, non Union job). Isn't that generally the rule? Isn't there a law requiring it, even?


Nope. They have no obligation to you beyond paying you for the time you already worked and benefits accrued.

USA Prime Credit Peggy: I see your point on the attorney thing... But if you own a company, you don't want to treat your workers bad! In this day and age, that shiat gets on Twitter, Facebook, the news, and reflects poorly on your company to your customers (who in turn might choose not to be your customer anymore). Right?


I think you need to open your eyes and look around a bit. Social media hasn't brought on the workers paradise. Many companies continue to treat their employees poorly. Look at recent stories about Walmart, or Darden Restaurants complaining about having to give employees healthcare coverage and sick days.
 
2012-12-07 03:51:06 PM  
We continue to get the government we deserve.
 
2012-12-07 03:52:05 PM  

Philip Francis Queeg:
USA Prime Credit Peggy: I see your point on the attorney thing... But if you own a company, you don't want to treat your workers bad! In this day and age, that shiat gets on Twitter, Facebook, the news, and reflects poorly on your company to your customers (who in turn might choose not to be your customer anymore). Right?

I think you need to open your eyes and look around a bit. Social media hasn't brought on the workers paradise. Many companies continue to treat their employees poorly. Look at recent stories about Walmart, or Darden Restaurants complaining about having to give employees healthcare coverage and sick days.


I also see stories about Costco and how well their non-Union workers are treated. Meh.
 
2012-12-07 03:54:26 PM  

BeesNuts: joness0154: BeesNuts: Gosling: PreMortem: If that were to happen, people would come back to the union en masse.

Until the unions get declared illegal. Then what do you do, smart guy?

If the supreme court is 5-4 Liberal: Appeal to the supreme court on the grounds that that would violate the first amendment which guarantees a right to peaceably assemble.

Otherwise, start sharpening the guillotines.

Easy peasy.

Except they're not prohibited from assembling.

How else are you going to "declare unions illegal"?

A union is a free assembly of workers. If union busting is going on Pinkerton style, that's an obvious violation of the law, but if the law itself is changes to make that assembly illegal, then it could easily be made into a first amendment issue. Hell, if Citizens United (also coming to us via unions btw) made it through on the grounds of free speech, than unions themselves being protected on the grounds of free assembly is self evident.

I'm probably misunderstanding your point though. No, unions are not prohibited from assembly. But if they were prohibited from assembly by law, then ... they would be.


Unions aren't being prohibited from forming in RTW states.
 
2012-12-07 03:54:33 PM  

USA Prime Credit Peggy: I also see stories about Costco and how well their non-Union workers are treated. Meh.


thinkprogress.org
meh
 
2012-12-07 03:54:54 PM  

USA Prime Credit Peggy: Philip Francis Queeg:
USA Prime Credit Peggy: I see your point on the attorney thing... But if you own a company, you don't want to treat your workers bad! In this day and age, that shiat gets on Twitter, Facebook, the news, and reflects poorly on your company to your customers (who in turn might choose not to be your customer anymore). Right?

I think you need to open your eyes and look around a bit. Social media hasn't brought on the workers paradise. Many companies continue to treat their employees poorly. Look at recent stories about Walmart, or Darden Restaurants complaining about having to give employees healthcare coverage and sick days.

I also see stories about Costco and how well their non-Union workers are treated. Meh.


So since one company treats it employees well, unions aren't required by employees of other companies?
 
2012-12-07 03:55:44 PM  

Mentat: minoridiot: I'm not entirely sure why folks are concerned about Right to Work laws. Right to Work laws don't ban unions. I'm in a Right to Work state, and I worked in a union shop in the 80's. What the Right to Work laws do is give the employee freedom of choice whether to join a union or not.

Bullshiat. Right to Work would better be described as Divide and Conquer. The initial purpose is to provide a competitive alternative to unions so that workers will voluntarily give up their collective bargaining rights and weaken the unions. What you're seeing now is the end game. If they can break unions in the Rust Belt, then they no longer have to compete with the unions and then they can do whatever they want to the workers. Don't like it? Sorry, you gave up your collective bargaining rights.


I am thinking more and more that we will be seeing things like the River Rouge and Everett Massacres as people realize that they have lost huge protections.
 
2012-12-07 03:57:06 PM  

Philip Francis Queeg: USA Prime Credit Peggy: Philip Francis Queeg:
USA Prime Credit Peggy: I see your point on the attorney thing... But if you own a company, you don't want to treat your workers bad! In this day and age, that shiat gets on Twitter, Facebook, the news, and reflects poorly on your company to your customers (who in turn might choose not to be your customer anymore). Right?

I think you need to open your eyes and look around a bit. Social media hasn't brought on the workers paradise. Many companies continue to treat their employees poorly. Look at recent stories about Walmart, or Darden Restaurants complaining about having to give employees healthcare coverage and sick days.

I also see stories about Costco and how well their non-Union workers are treated. Meh.

So since one company treats it employees well, unions aren't required by employees of other companies?


But you would think it would be an example to other companies in how to treat its employees... it's also one of the reasons I shop at Costo and the people are way more friendly than say walmart.
 
2012-12-07 03:57:41 PM  

USA Prime Credit Peggy: But if you own a company, you don't want to treat your workers bad! In this day and age, that shiat gets on Twitter, Facebook, the news, and reflects poorly on your company to your customers (who in turn might choose not to be your customer anymore). Right?



I'll spare you the sarcasm and just tell you that clearly is not the case if you look at WalMart.

USA Prime Credit Peggy: I've been laid off before, and I was compensated very well for it (again, non Union job). Isn't that generally the rule? Isn't there a law requiring it, even?



Nope.

Let me give you a concrete example of why a union exists. I was on a hiring panel for a college that needed a science teacher to teach 3 classes. Teachers there were in a union and each taught 3 classes and that was full time. We interviewed three people and the panel made a unanimous recommendation for one of them. The college ignored us and hired all three, part-time, and each taught one class. Three part time teachers are paid less, receive no benefits and have no protections. It's much cheaper. I contend that situation is "bad." But the union could not fight it. This was a new position opening up so the union had to stuff it and be happy there were three new part time workers. A few years later a full-time teacher retired. That was a union protected job. That job can be eliminated if there is no need for it but it cannot be replaced with three part-timers. So the college hired someone full-time to fill it. It's not hard to imagine, if the union were gone, as each teacher retired they would be replaced with three part-time teachers. I contend this would be "bad."

I also have stories of how unions are bad. But none of them compare to how bad things would be without unions.
 
2012-12-07 03:58:35 PM  

dwrash: Philip Francis Queeg: USA Prime Credit Peggy: Philip Francis Queeg:
USA Prime Credit Peggy: I see your point on the attorney thing... But if you own a company, you don't want to treat your workers bad! In this day and age, that shiat gets on Twitter, Facebook, the news, and reflects poorly on your company to your customers (who in turn might choose not to be your customer anymore). Right?

I think you need to open your eyes and look around a bit. Social media hasn't brought on the workers paradise. Many companies continue to treat their employees poorly. Look at recent stories about Walmart, or Darden Restaurants complaining about having to give employees healthcare coverage and sick days.

I also see stories about Costco and how well their non-Union workers are treated. Meh.

So since one company treats it employees well, unions aren't required by employees of other companies?

But you would think it would be an example to other companies in how to treat its employees... it's also one of the reasons I shop at Costo and the people are way more friendly than say walmart.


It doesn't seem to have much effect on the other companies though, does it?
 
2012-12-07 04:01:01 PM  

Philip Francis Queeg: dwrash: Philip Francis Queeg: USA Prime Credit Peggy: Philip Francis Queeg:
USA Prime Credit Peggy: I see your point on the attorney thing... But if you own a company, you don't want to treat your workers bad! In this day and age, that shiat gets on Twitter, Facebook, the news, and reflects poorly on your company to your customers (who in turn might choose not to be your customer anymore). Right?

I think you need to open your eyes and look around a bit. Social media hasn't brought on the workers paradise. Many companies continue to treat their employees poorly. Look at recent stories about Walmart, or Darden Restaurants complaining about having to give employees healthcare coverage and sick days.

I also see stories about Costco and how well their non-Union workers are treated. Meh.

So since one company treats it employees well, unions aren't required by employees of other companies?

But you would think it would be an example to other companies in how to treat its employees... it's also one of the reasons I shop at Costo and the people are way more friendly than say walmart.

It doesn't seem to have much effect on the other companies though, does it?


Time will tell. You have to start somewhere.

I also tend to think people get the treatment they deserve.
 
2012-12-07 04:02:25 PM  

joness0154: Unions aren't being prohibited from forming in RTW states.


Step 1) Offer all non-union employees $1/hour more, changing your work force entirely to non-union.
Step 2) With no union to fight back, eliminate benefits and reduce wages.
Step 3) Profit. No really, profit.

You're right, no one prohibited a union from forming, yet we are able to successfully destroy and trample the workers. What a perfect idea.
 
2012-12-07 04:03:24 PM  

dwrash: I also tend to think people get the treatment they deserve.


The domestic violence victims had it comin thread is elsewhere on the page.
 
2012-12-07 04:07:49 PM  

lennavan: dwrash: I also tend to think people get the treatment they deserve.

The domestic violence victims had it comin thread is elsewhere on the page.


Nothing to do with domestic violence.

If you drop out of highschool or college and don't work to get ahead and are satisfied working a union job on an assembly line... then you deserve to live at the poverty line.
 
2012-12-07 04:09:29 PM  

joness0154: ryarger: dwrash: As a consumer of laber (which a company is), I should have the RIGHT to shop around for the best possible workers (union or not).

You have that right today in all 50 states.

This law *removes* your right to choose to make your business a closed, Union-only shop. If a Union approaches you with a deal that was *the* best for your business and that deal involved an exclusive agreement, it is now *illegal* for you to make that deal. That was was legal before this law, it is illegal now (assuming Snyder signs it).

Not a single freedom or right is being created/strengthened by this law, and freedom and rights are being restricted. Where is the libertarian brigade to condemn this?

LOL. Show me a company that would love to be a closed shop.


Because corporations are people, my friend, amirite?
 
2012-12-07 04:10:55 PM  
There was one a time and a place for unions. Here in America, their time has passed.
 
2012-12-07 04:11:53 PM  

dwrash: lennavan: dwrash: I also tend to think people get the treatment they deserve.

The domestic violence victims had it comin thread is elsewhere on the page.

Nothing to do with domestic violence.

If you drop out of highschool or college and don't work to get ahead and are satisfied working a union job on an assembly line... then you deserve to live at the poverty line.


Yep, making the products that you desire really is worthy of punishment. People who labor are icky.
 
2012-12-07 04:12:58 PM  

Merkin Ball: There was one a time and a place for unions. Here in America, their time has passed.


There was one a time and a place for corporations. Here in America, their time has passed.
 
2012-12-07 04:13:56 PM  

Philip Francis Queeg: dwrash: lennavan: dwrash: I also tend to think people get the treatment they deserve.

The domestic violence victims had it comin thread is elsewhere on the page.

Nothing to do with domestic violence.

If you drop out of highschool or college and don't work to get ahead and are satisfied working a union job on an assembly line... then you deserve to live at the poverty line.

Yep, making the products that you desire really is worthy of punishment. People who labor are icky.


Nothing like that at all... and all those jobs will be lost to robotics in the near future.

Who said anything about punishment?... you are only worth the value you can provide to your employer.
 
2012-12-07 04:15:14 PM  

dwrash: lennavan: dwrash: I also tend to think people get the treatment they deserve.

The domestic violence victims had it comin thread is elsewhere on the page.

Nothing to do with domestic violence.


It was a joke more to mock the stupidity of your "people get the treatment they deserve" comment.

dwrash: If you drop out of highschool or college and don't work to get ahead and are satisfied working a union job on an assembly line... then you deserve to live at the poverty line.


Funny, the people I was discussing above in the thread who were taking part time jobs with no benefits because the union couldn't protect them had PhDs and decades of experience. But you're right, all union jobs are for high school drop out factory workers on an assembly line.
 
2012-12-07 04:17:42 PM  

BeesNuts: minoridiot: And the Hostess thing, the Baker's union should share in some of that blame as much as the company.

elaborate plox.

I'm not sure "I can get this 'great deal' anywhere else doing anything. You wanna cut my pay by 20 to 30 percent per year and cut benefits while keeping your 1.5 million dollar compensation? Well, compensate this, Rayburn." is blame-worthy.


Plus, this baker's union thing is SO last week. Apparently Rush and Fox are now pushing it was the Teamster's fault Hostess went under.
 
2012-12-07 04:18:11 PM  

dwrash: Nothing like that at all... and all those jobs will be lost to robotics in the near future.

Who said anything about punishment?... you are only worth the value you can provide to your employer.


Right. People have no intrinsic value, they are tools to be used and tossed away. A worker shouldn't be considered with any more concern than you have for a hammer. Don't get me going about the useless cogs like the disabled and elderly.
 
2012-12-07 04:19:34 PM  

dwrash: Who said anything about punishment?... you are only worth the value you can provide to your employer.


I could not agree more. Yet you are paid the very least your employer can get away with while still providing that value. Would you believe some people see a flaw in this system?

If a person does not find a job, they go hungry, they go homeless and their kids/family does as well. If a business does not hire the best employee, they lose out on some profits. So there is a hell of a lot more pressure to take a job that compensates you less than you are worth than there is to offer a job that compensates someone what they are worth. Would you believe some people see a flaw in this system?
 
2012-12-07 04:19:36 PM  

lennavan: dwrash: lennavan: dwrash: I also tend to think people get the treatment they deserve.

The domestic violence victims had it comin thread is elsewhere on the page.

Nothing to do with domestic violence.

It was a joke more to mock the stupidity of your "people get the treatment they deserve" comment.

dwrash: If you drop out of highschool or college and don't work to get ahead and are satisfied working a union job on an assembly line... then you deserve to live at the poverty line.

Funny, the people I was discussing above in the thread who were taking part time jobs with no benefits because the union couldn't protect them had PhDs and decades of experience. But you're right, all union jobs are for high school drop out factory workers on an assembly line.


Not at all... but by definition a professional gets ahead by their own wits and savy. Someone with a PhD in a union must have been a very poor PhD candidate that practically no one wanted. Or they chose a PhD in a field that wasn't marketable.

Those that get ahead and succeed in life are those who think about working outside the corporate mess. The MBA's have ruined this country in so many ways..
 
2012-12-07 04:23:12 PM  

lennavan: dwrash: Who said anything about punishment?... you are only worth the value you can provide to your employer.

I could not agree more. Yet you are paid the very least your employer can get away with while still providing that value. Would you believe some people see a flaw in this system?

If a person does not find a job, they go hungry, they go homeless and their kids/family does as well. If a business does not hire the best employee, they lose out on some profits. So there is a hell of a lot more pressure to take a job that compensates you less than you are worth than there is to offer a job that compensates someone what they are worth. Would you believe some people see a flaw in this system?


The flaw is that people are not motivated and do not sell themselves.. and lay down like sheep for the slaughter.

I've been laid off a couple of times and never had a hard time making ends meet till the right job came along.
 
2012-12-07 04:27:09 PM  

dwrash: The flaw is that people are not motivated and do not sell themselves.. and lay down like sheep for the slaughter.

I've been laid off a couple of times and never had a hard time making ends meet till the right job came along.


Not everyone was born with a silver spoon in their mouth.

dwrash: The flaw is that people are not motivated and do not sell themselves.. and lay down like sheep for the slaughter.


All workers add $X value to their employer, where each workers' X might be different. If employers paid each of those workers exactly what they were worth, the employer would make exactly $0 in profit. The flaw in our system is we have accepted maximization of profits is not only okay but indeed optimal. Take a guess where those profits come from? That's the flaw.
 
2012-12-07 04:28:07 PM  

crab66: We continue to get the government we deserve.


No we farking don't. I don't vote for assholes who support this shiat.
 
2012-12-07 04:28:21 PM  

Philip Francis Queeg: Merkin Ball: There was one a time and a place for unions. Here in America, their time has passed.

There was one a time and a place for corporations. Here in America, their time has passed.


Wow, I actually agreed with you for once.
 
2012-12-07 04:32:15 PM  

Headso: USA Prime Credit Peggy: I also see stories about Costco and how well their non-Union workers are treated. Meh.

[thinkprogress.org image 460x329]
meh


You know you can't just state it, you also need to prove correlation and causation. I can make a graph where as countries who built the shiat out of them in the 1940s rebuildtand modernized their infrastructure, the American demand for factory jobs that paid middle class wages went to hell due to skilled labor increasing in supply. I might not be right, but I can make the lines work on a graph without having to fudge their slopes.
 
2012-12-07 04:34:16 PM  

joness0154: LOL. Show me a company that would love to be a closed shop.


So it's OK for governments to ban things just because people might not like them? If a company would not want to enter into a contract with a Union that includes closed shops, they don't have to, do they?

Why should the government dictate what contracts a business can and cannot enter into?
 
2012-12-07 04:39:46 PM  

PreMortem: That being said, I have no problem with right to work laws (I'm in a union). But if someone decides to not pay dues, they still get all the benefits and rights as a due paying member. I'd say if you don't want to pay union dues, fine... negotiate your own wages and benefits.


THIS. Publicans seem just fine with free riders when they're free riding on the evil Union Thugs.
 
2012-12-07 04:44:49 PM  

ha-ha-guy: Headso: USA Prime Credit Peggy: I also see stories about Costco and how well their non-Union workers are treated. Meh.

[thinkprogress.org image 460x329]
meh

You know you can't just state it, you also need to prove correlation and causation. I can make a graph where as countries who built the shiat out of them in the 1940s rebuildtand modernized their infrastructure, the American demand for factory jobs that paid middle class wages went to hell due to skilled labor increasing in supply. I might not be right, but I can make the lines work on a graph without having to fudge their slopes.


If they didn't lead to higher wages then the GOP wouldn't be trying to bust them.
 
2012-12-07 04:45:54 PM  

ha-ha-guy: Headso: USA Prime Credit Peggy: I also see stories about Costco and how well their non-Union workers are treated. Meh.

[thinkprogress.org image 460x329]
meh

You know you can't just state it, you also need to prove correlation and causation. I can make a graph where as countries who built the shiat out of them in the 1940s rebuildtand modernized their infrastructure, the American demand for factory jobs that paid middle class wages went to hell due to skilled labor increasing in supply. I might not be right, but I can make the lines work on a graph without having to fudge their slopes.


1. Put up or shut up. Link the data.
2.a) Now graph workforce membership in unions and membership in the middle class over the same time period.
b) Now do the same for northern european countries.
3. Now make that bullshiat globalization claim and explain the european "anomaly."
 
2012-12-07 04:52:21 PM  

demaL-demaL-yeH: ha-ha-guy: Headso: USA Prime Credit Peggy: I also see stories about Costco and how well their non-Union workers are treated. Meh.

[thinkprogress.org image 460x329]
meh

You know you can't just state it, you also need to prove correlation and causation. I can make a graph where as countries who built the shiat out of them in the 1940s rebuildtand modernized their infrastructure, the American demand for factory jobs that paid middle class wages went to hell due to skilled labor increasing in supply. I might not be right, but I can make the lines work on a graph without having to fudge their slopes.

1. Put up or shut up. Link the data.
2.a) Now graph workforce membership in unions and membership in the middle class over the same time period.
b) Now do the same for northern european countries.
3. Now make that bullshiat globalization claim and explain the european "anomaly."


Try rereading the post where I never claimed it to be correct, in fact I think it is wrong in that such a graph would be correlation, not causation. I merely accused Headso of posting the same kind of graph.

/we're in a race to the bottom because we don't have proper controls on goods in place to punish companies from exploiting cheap overseas labor and cheap transit costs to get the goods here
//well that and Americans are dumb enough to buy those goods
/the minute our manufacturing sector got into a fight with the third world, it lost. There is no winning move except to freeze them out
 
2012-12-07 04:52:50 PM  

HMS_Blinkin: Republicans in my state are assholes.

 
2012-12-07 05:04:12 PM  

Philip Francis Queeg: Merkin Ball: There was one a time and a place for unions. Here in America, their time has passed.
There was one a time and a place for corporations. Here in America, their time has passed.


There was once a time and a place for worrying about if employees were treated humanely and paid fairly for their work. Here in America, that time has passed.
 
2012-12-07 05:09:17 PM  

lennavan: If employers paid each of those workers exactly what they were worth, the employer would make exactly $0 in profit.


I want to subscribe to your newsletter.

So I can laugh at it.
 
2012-12-07 05:13:52 PM  
"Right to Fire" is more apt.
 
2012-12-07 05:56:57 PM  

minoridiot: I'm not entirely sure why folks are concerned about Right to Work laws. Right to Work laws don't ban unions. I'm in a Right to Work state, and I worked in a union shop in the 80's. What the Right to Work laws do is give the employee freedom of choice whether to join a union or not.


Right to work states have the highest unemployment, 53% more work related deaths, lower income, etc.....so they aren't so great.
 
2012-12-07 06:38:34 PM  
RTW advocates come in two Varieties, divided by income level.

Parasites who want all the benefits a union fights for, without the responsibilities of actually being in the union. They want better pay, better hours and such, but don't want to sacrifice anything for it, and the greedy executive types who just want unions weakened and eventually powerless, so they can fark the workers however they please to earn a little extra profit.
 
2012-12-07 06:46:33 PM  

lennavan:
Step 1) Offer all non-union employees $1/hour more, changing your work force entirely to non-union.
Step 2) With no union to fight back, eliminate benefits and reduce wages.
Step 3) Profit. No really, profit.
Step 3)If the benefit and wage reduction is greater than the $1 bonus for being non-union, the workers unionize.

FTFY.

 
2012-12-07 07:18:26 PM  

LordJiro: RTW advocates come in two Varieties, divided by income level.

Parasites who want all the benefits a union fights for, without the responsibilities of actually being in the union. They want better pay, better hours and such, but don't want to sacrifice anything for it, and the greedy executive types who just want unions weakened and eventually powerless, so they can fark the workers however they please to earn a little extra profit.


There is a third variant: people who believe anti-union propaganda and gleefully shoot themselves in the foot because clever marketing made it seem like a prudent career move.
 
2012-12-07 07:47:11 PM  
Labor and Democrats were pushing back hard against the Workplace Fairness and Equity Act

I had a witty comment, but meh
 
2012-12-07 08:09:39 PM  
As a proud scab, I wish to point at you union cocksucker and laugh.
Seriously, fark you guys.
 
2012-12-07 08:27:28 PM  

PepperFreak: As a proud scab, I wish to point at you union cocksucker and laugh.
Seriously, fark you guys.


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