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(Yahoo)   Historians object to the amount of profanity in the movie "Lincoln". Come on, just be glad Spielberg didn't have any nude scenes with Daniel Day-Lewis and/or Sally Field   (movies.yahoo.com) divider line 71
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2012-12-07 07:05:33 AM
Bolox. And Sally Field is lovely
 
2012-12-07 08:31:35 AM
People in the mid 19th century, up to and including the President, swore all the g--d--- time. And if you go back a little further, George Washington was famous for cursing almost nonstop. It was only in the 1880's that the bluenoses started biatching about it.
 
2012-12-07 08:33:17 AM
I would totally check out a Sally Field nude scene.
 
2012-12-07 08:42:56 AM
Why is it that American culture is just fine with graphic, gory depictions of violence in everything from films to network television, but an errant tit or "cocksucking motherf*cker" causes Americans to collectively lose their shiat?
 
2012-12-07 08:44:08 AM

doczoidberg: I would totally check out a Sally Field nude scene.


I'd participate in one. Granted, they'd probably make me hit the gym first..
 
2012-12-07 08:50:11 AM
Yup. You'd never hear blackguard words at a cockfight.
 
2012-12-07 08:51:13 AM
That is what I'm most upset at. They are both attractive people, and the writers could easily have adapted the dialogue to include "four score" in a love scene to make it historically sexy.
 
2012-12-07 08:53:36 AM
Given the fact that around that time Senators were getting caned it would not be such a stretch to believe that people were cursing all the time.
 
2012-12-07 09:01:39 AM

doczoidberg: I would totally check out a Sally Field nude scene.


Except nude scenes in today's movies are mostly man-ass.
 
2012-12-07 09:03:25 AM

Boba Chet: Except nude scenes in today's movies are mostly man-ass.


Abraham Lincoln would have liked the movie then.
 
2012-12-07 09:09:41 AM
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BOOOYAH!
 
2012-12-07 09:09:51 AM

Kome: That is what I'm most upset at. They are both attractive people, and the writers could easily have adapted the dialogue to include "four score" in a love scene to make it historically sexy.


i.imgur.com
 
2012-12-07 09:14:12 AM

7480325115184371z: Why is it that American culture is just fine with graphic, gory depictions of violence in everything from films to network television, but an errant tit or "cocksucking motherf*cker" causes Americans to collectively lose their shiat?


RTFA. This is about historical accuracy. According to the historians quoted, Lincoln didn't use that kind of language, and chewed out high-ranking soldiers who cursed in his presence.

The American public is also just fine with time-travelling cyborgs. That doesn't mean an allegedly-historical film about Lincoln should have them.
 
2012-12-07 09:15:10 AM
Come on! Anyone constantly having their stove-pipe hat knocked-off walking through doorways would drop an F-bomb or two!
 
2012-12-07 09:17:52 AM
Is this the line for the Sally Field nude scene?

/subby has the ghey
 
2012-12-07 09:18:22 AM
shiat, piss, fark, coont, cocksucker, motherfarker, and tits.
 
2012-12-07 09:20:08 AM
There's a certain mindset that buys into the myth of the perfect past. Cultural heroes never spit, or use the can, or use dirty words.

Even otherwise intelligent people can fall into this. It is alway beneficial to keep in mind that our historical idols were, for the most part, real people with real problems. (the exceptions are the fictional heroes that somehow became 'historical')

When we fetishize and mythologize these historical figures, it really minimizes the impact and lessons we can learn from them. Every famous person who ever lived was, before they were famous, was a squalling, crapping, pissing baby, with a mother, and a father. Every elder statesman, or celebrated military hero, or brilliant scientist also had to eat, and sleep, and visit the toilet.

Just as Caesar supposedly had a servant to whisper "Memento Mori" in his ear, we need to emphasise "They were mortal."
 
2012-12-07 09:27:55 AM
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I would pulverize her brittle hip bones, I would.
 
2012-12-07 09:28:32 AM
They probably thought better of it after all the viewers that were traumatized by the sex scene in John Adams.
 
2012-12-07 09:37:52 AM

doczoidberg: I would totally check out a Sally Field nude scene.


From 1980 and before, sure.
 
2012-12-07 09:40:08 AM
McPherson says he e-mailed his objections to Kushner after reading an early draft. "But I see that that language made it in the movie anyhow."


Well Jim, that's because Tony Kushner is smarter than you. But don't feel bad. Tony Kushner is smarter than everybody.
 
2012-12-07 09:44:27 AM
How dare they force Abraham Lincoln to tell that vulgar Revolutionary War joke! It sullies his legacy to have him say what several people, on different occasions, reported him to have said!
 
2012-12-07 09:50:36 AM
Also, any organization that refuses to recommend an excellent film because the film uses profanity - unless it is a film aimed at children - is an organization of ninnies.
 
2012-12-07 09:52:14 AM
I'M TIRED OF THESE MOTHERFARKING CONFEDERATES IN MY MOTHERFARKING COUNTRY!
 
2012-12-07 10:05:31 AM

Son of Thunder: RTFA. This is about historical accuracy. According to the historians quoted, Lincoln didn't use that kind of language, and chewed out high-ranking soldiers who cursed in his presence.

The American public is also just fine with time-travelling cyborgs. That doesn't mean an allegedly-historical film about Lincoln should have them.


And according to the historian who wrote the book that served as the basis for this film, the language was perfectly appropriate.

If you watch Lincoln and your big takeaway is "why did they have to cuss so much?" then you're probably far too stupid to have gained anything from the film, and you definitely should not spend your time having someone read the book to you.
 
2012-12-07 10:07:59 AM
Four score and seven years ago, we got all up in this biatch and made a new nation, conceived in "Fark you, we're America" and dedicated to the proposition that no biatch-ass British assholes can tell us what to do.

Now we've got some serious shiat to deal with, testing whether we have to balls to get shiat done. Well you know what? Fark you Jefferson Davis, you prick. We are busting some caps in some Rebel ass in this field. We have come to dedicate a portion of this field to the badass motherfarkers who took a bullet so that your whiney ass can sit at home complaining. Shiat.

But fark all if we think we can consecrate this place, because these dead motherfarkers already did that shiat. The world doesn't give a fark what we say here, but they sure as shiat can't ignore all the shiat that went down here. So it's up to us to get up off our asses and finish this shiat for them. We won't forget what these bad motherfarkers did for us, so we're saying that they didn't just piss away their lives but instead they set some serious shiat in motion and nobody's going to take that shiat away from the people. Fark yeah.
 
2012-12-07 10:08:07 AM

colinspooky: And Sally Field is lovely


and, a classy lady. so there, subs.
 
2012-12-07 10:09:44 AM

Robert1966: How dare they force Abraham Lincoln to tell that vulgar Revolutionary War joke!


`Your mother is a four score & seven year old whore!'
 
2012-12-07 10:12:12 AM

T.M.S.: McPherson says he e-mailed his objections to Kushner after reading an early draft. "But I see that that language made it in the movie anyhow."


Well Jim, that's because Tony Kushner is smarter than you. But don't feel bad. Tony Kushner is smarter than everybody.


I take it you don't know who McPherson is, so I'll let that pass, this time.

/Doesn't mean McPherson is right, but I suspect he very well might be. Knowing how people actually spoke in the past is kind of tough b/c people rarely bothered to record it.
 
2012-12-07 10:14:09 AM

Robert1966: How dare they force Abraham Lincoln to tell that vulgar Revolutionary War joke! It sullies his legacy to have him say what several people, on different occasions, reported him to have said!


My impression was that it was less that story (which certainly rang true to me) and more the casual cursing, in particular the use of god damn and fark (the use of which would have been a pretty big deal at the time). I'm not sure if one can really judge how accurate that is for the reasons I state above.
 
2012-12-07 10:14:22 AM

LegacyDL: Given the fact that around that time Senators were getting caned it would not be such a stretch to believe that people were cursing all the time.


Wow. I totally misread the article's headline as "The Caning of Senator Charles Schumer." Bad mental image that brought forth.
 
2012-12-07 10:16:57 AM

colinspooky: Bolox. And Sally Field is lovely


Gidgety.
 
2012-12-07 10:18:07 AM
A younger, Flying Nun-era Sally Field? I would destroy that with furious abandon.

Smokey & the Bandit and Norma Rae-era Sally Field? Yeah, her too. Maybe even harder.

But Gump-era Sally through present day... she's still a fine women, but she's just looking too much like my mom. Seriously, she looks like my mom.
 
2012-12-07 10:18:25 AM

CarnySaur: They probably thought better of it after all the viewers that were traumatized by the sex scene in John Adams.


All that hot Johnny/Abby Twittering and such.
 
2012-12-07 10:18:46 AM

LegacyDL: Given the fact that around that time Senators were getting caned it would not be such a stretch to believe that people were cursing all the time.


Not only that, they were almost perpetually hammered.

/Not for nothing, but as soon as you read 'David Barton' in any article, you can safely ignore the rest of the text.
 
2012-12-07 10:23:38 AM

Swoop1809: shiat, piss, fark, coont, cocksucker, motherfarker, and tits.


The four words you can't say on fark?
 
2012-12-07 10:35:01 AM
Considering the British aristocracy blames America for all the filthy language that permeates British society, I can believe that Americans cursed like a Whitechapel whore who got stiffed her threepence she intended to blow on gin and opium.

/If you didn't like their swearing, you shouldn't have married all those rich American heiresses to keep your houses open a few more years. Looking at you, Churchill
 
2012-12-07 10:40:59 AM

7480325115184371z: Why is it that American culture is just fine with graphic, gory depictions of violence in everything from films to network television, but an errant tit or "cocksucking motherf*cker" causes Americans to collectively lose their shiat?


Drive a six-inch spike into a woman: R
Drive a six-inch penis into a woman: X
Drive a six-inch spike through a board with your penis: Deborah Foreman.

i.imgur.com
 
2012-12-07 10:41:08 AM
FTFA: Movieguide, which reviews films from a Christian perspective...

"The historical record is clear that Lincoln definitely did not tolerate profanity around him," [David] Barton says.


...right.
 
2012-12-07 10:49:23 AM

eiger: T.M.S.: McPherson says he e-mailed his objections to Kushner after reading an early draft. "But I see that that language made it in the movie anyhow."


Well Jim, that's because Tony Kushner is smarter than you. But don't feel bad. Tony Kushner is smarter than everybody.

I take it you don't know who McPherson is, so I'll let that pass, this time.

/Doesn't mean McPherson is right, but I suspect he very well might be. Knowing how people actually spoke in the past is kind of tough b/c people rarely bothered to record it.


I take it you have never had a conversation with Tony Kushner. It's not always easy to keep up.

The only person harder to match is Tom Stoppard. Nobody knows what the fark he's talking about.

But I'm sure you are right about the language and whom would be more knowledgable on the subject.
 
2012-12-07 10:53:06 AM

Swoop1809: shiat, piss, fark, coont, cocksucker, motherfarker, and tits.


The seven words that can't be sent by telegraph?
 
2012-12-07 11:07:18 AM
i117.photobucket.com
 
2012-12-07 11:08:06 AM

Wheyfaring Stranger: Swoop1809: shiat, piss, fark, coont, cocksucker, motherfarker, and tits.

The seven words that can't be sent by telegraph?


I'd like to take this moment to stare, I liked "The secret diaries of Desmond Pfieffer"
 
2012-12-07 11:11:38 AM
I was watching some of the extra features that came with the "Deadwood" DVD collection, and I think the producer was saying that back then they didn't swear using the words we do anywhere near as much. They said things like "Consarn-it" and "gosh dang". If they were historically accurate, modern audiences would laugh at what was being said, not realizing that the character was actually very angry. That's probably what happened here.
 
2012-12-07 11:26:02 AM
This story first appeared in the Dec. 14 issue of The Hollywood Reporter magazine.

Motherfarking wizards!
 
2012-12-07 11:30:59 AM
MattMillerTime:

[70's hiney]

BOOOYAH!


Daaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaamn.

Yes, I too remember that scene well.
 
2012-12-07 11:33:59 AM

devildog123: ...That's probably what happened here.


Well, let's not forget Booth planned to shoot Lincoln right as the line "you sockdologizing old man-trap!" was uttered, which was apparently the funniest farking shiat in the history of ever as Booth hoped the laughter in the theater would obfuscate the sound of a gunshot.
 
2012-12-07 11:34:42 AM

The Third Man: People in the mid 19th century, up to and including the President, swore all the g--d--- time. And if you go back a little further, George Washington was famous for cursing almost nonstop. It was only in the 1880's that the bluenoses started biatching about it.


This; do historians really believe people didn't cuss in one form or another in informal settings?
 
2012-12-07 11:37:31 AM

colinspooky: Bolox. And Sally Field is lovely


read that as botox.
 
2012-12-07 11:50:25 AM
You'd think these Christians would have a bigger problem with Queen's "Who Wants to Live Forever?" being in the film. Freddie Mercury is their quintessential bogey-man, being he was a famous and proud gay who died of AIDS.
 
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