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(The Smack Zone)   Every Huskie down in Huskie-ville liked the BCS a lot... But the Herbstreit, who lived just north of Huskie-ville, Did NOT The Herbstreit hated the BCS The whole BCS system "They're Going to the Orange Bowl" he snarled with a sneer   (thesmackzone.wordpress.com) divider line 91
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2012-12-07 10:19:38 AM  
Nice
 
2012-12-07 10:23:16 AM  
Yeah he was a douche but NIU does not deserve to be in a BCS bowl
 
2012-12-07 10:27:50 AM  
Either the MAC is FBS or the MAC isn't. Make a choice.

Having a few conferences worth of teams that are FBS but not BCSworthy is dumb.
 
2012-12-07 10:31:36 AM  
LOL
 
2012-12-07 10:33:01 AM  
I find it hard to believe there is a bowl match up that doesn't matter! I am shocked! Every other bowl but this one is filled with deserving teams and compelling match ups that will draw huge national interest. The rest of the bowls totally aren't completely irrelevant to anyone but sponsors, alumni, and degenerate gamblers.

But this one with that team no one has heard of playing that team from the conference that sucks at football is the last straw.
 
2012-12-07 10:33:54 AM  

steamingpile: Yeah he was a douche but NIU does not deserve to be in a BCS bowl


Hmm, let's see. They played by the rules all season and qualified for a bowl. So the official rules say they deserve it, but you and Herbstreit opine that they do not.
 
2012-12-07 10:37:05 AM  
The AQ conferences have to set up these hoops for the smaller ones to jump through to avoid getting sued. Whether or not NIU deserves a bowl game is kind of a moot point.
 
2012-12-07 10:38:22 AM  
There are few people on the planet that I literally can't stand to see. Some dictators, any Kardashian, Karl Rove, racists. Kirk Herbstreit is one of them. The way he sobbed over the Orange Bowl selection was hilarious.

/not an NIU fan, but go Huskies
 
2012-12-07 10:40:06 AM  

Dafatone: Either the MAC is FBS or the MAC isn't. Make a choice.

Having a few conferences worth of teams that are FBS but not BCSworthy is dumb.


You could not be more correct. And what's more, when the other FBS teams win games against the MAC teams, they are considered legitimate FBS wins that contribute to their eligibility for BCS bowls. This is just typical crybaby BS. The system is great when it does what I want it to do, and terrible when it doesn't. God only knows why Herbstreit chose to have a nuclear meltdown over it.
 
2012-12-07 10:44:09 AM  
As an NIU grad student all I can say is that I understand why Herbstreit is mad but hey man, rules are rules. Last time I checked this game didn't really matter- only the national championship does. No other bowl game matters- they are just gifts handed out at the end of the season as the "thank yous for playing". Its every college football "ESPN expert" to want the best match-ups because it leads to the most compelling games and stories. But the BCS isn't about that- its about selecting 2 teams for the national championship and everything else just doesn't matter as much.

If Kirk has a problem because a big conference team like Oklahoma can't play in the game because the conference doesn't get that big payout then we have a different story all together.
(Not that the payout will help NIU or the MAC as both will take a big financial hit from the game)

/MACtion baby
//going to Miami on Jan 1st
 
2012-12-07 10:46:10 AM  

steamingpile: Yeah he was a douche but NIU does not deserve to be in a BCS bowl


Don't blame them, blame the Big 10 and Big East for producing crappy champions which opened the door to NIU's qualification. They deserve it more than Wisconsin does. Wisconsin finished third out of 6 in their division, and their resume includes a 2 pt win over Utah St. and a 5 pt win over FCS Northern Iowa.
 
2012-12-07 10:48:46 AM  

Flacman: As an NIU grad student all I can say is that I understand why Herbstreit is mad but hey man, rules are rules. Last time I checked this game didn't really matter- only the national championship does. No other bowl game matters- they are just gifts handed out at the end of the season as the "thank yous for playing". Its every college football "ESPN expert" to want the best match-ups because it leads to the most compelling games and stories. But the BCS isn't about that- its about selecting 2 teams for the national championship and everything else just doesn't matter as much.


In reality, the National Championship Game doesn't matter as well.
 
2012-12-07 10:51:29 AM  

StRalphTheLiar: steamingpile: Yeah he was a douche but NIU does not deserve to be in a BCS bowl

Don't blame them, blame the Big 10 and Big East for producing crappy champions which opened the door to NIU's qualification. They deserve it more than Wisconsin does. Wisconsin finished third out of 6 in their division, and their resume includes a 2 pt win over Utah St. and a 5 pt win over FCS Northern Iowa.


To be fair, Utah State is a pretty solid team. 6-0 in the WAC, only one of those games was close.
 
2012-12-07 10:53:13 AM  
Could it be that Herbstreit is worried about NIU getting national exposure and becoming a viable option for recruits who want to start for a good NIU team instead of being backups at Ohio St? Why else would he whine so much about it? Clearly he has something to lose here. I don't think it's just because ESPN might not get great ratings for the game. I think he is seriously worried that his team - Ohio St. - is going to miss out on something.
 
2012-12-07 10:56:16 AM  

BoxOfBees: Why else would he whine so much about it?


Because he's a douche bag and he gets paid to talk about things like that. There's no ulterior motive. He's just an ass.
 
2012-12-07 10:57:42 AM  
Was Herbstreit ordered to replace the Craig James derp?
 
2012-12-07 11:00:04 AM  
Also, Kirk Herbstreit is a tool and anything that makes him mad is probably good for college football.
 
2012-12-07 11:05:23 AM  

Flacman: (Not that the payout will help NIU or the MAC as both will take a big financial hit from the game)


How on earth is NIU going to lose money from going to a BCS bowl?
 
2012-12-07 11:05:44 AM  

kwame: BoxOfBees: Why else would he whine so much about it?

Because he's a douche bag and he gets paid to talk about things like that. There's no ulterior motive. He's just an ass.


Pretty much this.
 
2012-12-07 11:07:53 AM  

steamingpile: Yeah he was a douche but NIU does not deserve to be in a BCS bowl


thegrumpyowl.com
 
2012-12-07 11:11:41 AM  
It's been funny watching the ESPN talking heads slowly start saying how much the new playoff is such a great idea and how the current system sucks after they've spent the last 10 years saying how the current system is awesome and a playoff would be disastrous and "the regular season is a playoff". I wonder if it has anything to do with a recently announced TV deal for the playoff?
 
2012-12-07 11:12:00 AM  

HMS_Blinkin: Flacman: (Not that the payout will help NIU or the MAC as both will take a big financial hit from the game)

How on earth is NIU going to lose money from going to a BCS bowl?


There's a required minimum ticket amount that they have to buy (something like 17,000?), but their conference is making sure that NIU doesn't take a financial hit doing that. There's no way they lose money on a $17 million (or more) payout.
 
2012-12-07 11:14:21 AM  
NIU making a bowl game cheapens my 6-7 Yellow Jackets facing USC in the Hyundai Sun Bowl.
 
2012-12-07 11:16:12 AM  

HMS_Blinkin: Flacman: (Not that the payout will help NIU or the MAC as both will take a big financial hit from the game)

How on earth is NIU going to lose money from going to a BCS bowl?


Along these lines.

Basically the school is required by the bowl to sell a certain number of tickets. Anything they don't sell, the school itself purchases. A large part of the bowl payout is actually paid to the conference though, so the school's share of the payout can be less than the cost of unsold tickets.
 
2012-12-07 11:23:26 AM  
Herbstreit is a heck of alot better than Mark 'Whiney' May and Lou 'Slobber Gus' Holtz. Those guys are insufferable.
 
2012-12-07 11:26:26 AM  
I agree about NIU shouldn't be in there. Also think UGA got the short end as well thanks to placing limitations on how many teams a conference can send to a BCS game. Except for the Championship game, the rest of the BCS games are all fluff anyway. The BCS was put in place to decide/justify a matchup for the national championship. The rest of the games are there to make sure the conferences are on board with the extra money pay-outs.

Just about every year they throw one of these small teams in. I think they do it to punish them for thinking their schedules justify them the same respect as a BCS-AQ. I think FSU will destroy them...a repeat of UGA vs. HW in the '08 Sugar Bowl. But there are always those matchups where the would-be victim turns the table like Boise State in the '07 Fiesta Bowl or Utah did to Alabama in the '09 Sugar Bowl.
 
2012-12-07 11:31:34 AM  

steamingpile: Yeah he was a douche but NIU does not deserve to be in a BCS bowl


They deserve it as much, if not more than Wisconsin and Illinois, who are the reasons they're playing in the Orange Bowl.
 
2012-12-07 11:31:47 AM  

ChrisDe: There's a required minimum ticket amount that they have to buy (something like 17,000?), but their conference is making sure that NIU doesn't take a financial hit doing that. There's no way they lose money on a $17 million (or more) payout.


First they whine that the small-time programs no one gives a sh*t about don't get in on the BCS bowls because no one wants to watch them. Then they get into the bigger bowls and they whine because no one wants to watch them and they lose money.

CREATE A PRODUCT PEOPLE WANT TO WATCH instead of whining about how you're being oppressed.

StRalphTheLiar: Basically the school is required by the bowl to sell a certain number of tickets. Anything they don't sell, the school itself purchases. A large part of the bowl payout is actually paid to the conference though, so the school's share of the payout can be less than the cost of unsold tickets.


Here's the thing they don't mention: They sure were cool with receiving their cut every other year when they weren't making that bowl (which, in UConn's case, is a lot more often than they're making it).

It's like a group of eight guys taking turns buying the rest of the buddies dinner, then when it gets around to the eighth guy, he's whining that dinner for everyone cost him more than it would've to just go out by himself. You're cool with it when everyone else is paying, and it all works out to be fair, but you whine when it's your turn, and you're a chump.

And if you're the one who is always footing others' bills, then you're probably actually a good team and you're not losing money on the trip.
 
2012-12-07 11:35:04 AM  

IAmRight: ChrisDe: There's a required minimum ticket amount that they have to buy (something like 17,000?), but their conference is making sure that NIU doesn't take a financial hit doing that. There's no way they lose money on a $17 million (or more) payout.

First they whine that the small-time programs no one gives a sh*t about don't get in on the BCS bowls because no one wants to watch them. Then they get into the bigger bowls and they whine because no one wants to watch them and they lose money.

CREATE A PRODUCT PEOPLE WANT TO WATCH instead of whining about how you're being oppressed.

Gotta say NIU isn't whining. Farkers, on the other hand....

 
2012-12-07 11:37:16 AM  

Bluestab: I agree about NIU shouldn't be in there. Also think UGA got the short end as well thanks to placing limitations on how many teams a conference can send to a BCS game. Except for the Championship game, the rest of the BCS games are all fluff anyway. The BCS was put in place to decide/justify a matchup for the national championship. The rest of the games are there to make sure the conferences are on board with the extra money pay-outs.

Just about every year they throw one of these small teams in. I think they do it to punish them for thinking their schedules justify them the same respect as a BCS-AQ. I think FSU will destroy them...a repeat of UGA vs. HW in the '08 Sugar Bowl. But there are always those matchups where the would-be victim turns the table like Boise State in the '07 Fiesta Bowl or Utah did to Alabama in the '09 Sugar Bowl.


They didn't "throw" NIU in there, NIU qualified by the BCS rules. Which will probably be changed so it doesn't happen again.
 
2012-12-07 11:37:50 AM  

ChrisDe: Gotta say NIU isn't whining. Farkers, on the other hand....


Fair point - I don't have a problem with NIU being in a BCS bowl. Bowls are what a postseason should be - a celebration of the sport and a good season in a fun location for alumni to travel to and hang out with each other each year. But then everyone had to fall in line with the retard-think of "if you ain't first, you're last" and we got what we're moving to.

I don't want them to go crying about it later, though.
 
2012-12-07 11:38:37 AM  

ChrisDe: They didn't "throw" NIU in there, NIU qualified by the BCS rules. Which will probably be changed so it doesn't happen again.


Already being changed by going to a playoff system.
 
2012-12-07 11:41:30 AM  

IAmRight: ChrisDe: They didn't "throw" NIU in there, NIU qualified by the BCS rules. Which will probably be changed so it doesn't happen again.

Already being changed by going to a playoff system.


Yeah, I knew there were some changes coming up. Top 4 playoff, right? But I'm not sure if the other bowl rules are also changing or not next season.
 
2012-12-07 11:47:37 AM  
We've watched shiatburger teams like Cincinnatti and Pitt and west virginia make BCS bowls, so why should we be so upset about northern illinois? Everyone knows the BCS is a sham. What we should really be upset about is the sham game we're getting for the championship. The Orange Bowl should be the least of our concerns.
 
2012-12-07 11:51:22 AM  

ChrisDe: Yeah, I knew there were some changes coming up. Top 4 playoff, right? But I'm not sure if the other bowl rules are also changing or not next season.


I probably have the best idea if they ever decide to get rid of the non-contributing programs - four conferences of 16, top 4 in each conference play a tourney to determine 1st/2nd/3rd/4th for the conference. 1st/2nd/3rd can get trophies based on the Olympic medals.

Then all the teams from each conference match up with each other - the 1st place teams all battle for No. 1 overall, but the No. 2 and No. 3 teams battle for points, and the conferences can get conference-level trophies for 1st, 2nd, and 3rd.

Maybe we can make a 4th place booby prize of embarrassment for the other conference.

each conference has 2 divisions; you play the other 7 in your division and 3 in the other division for a 10-game season. That way the max number of games is 14; same as what's technically possible today.

/if you want you can have sub-tourneys for 5th-8th places, but those don't get into the national tourney.
//you don't need OOC games because you have the tourney at the end of the year
///really screws over lower levels, though :/
 
2012-12-07 11:55:50 AM  
Don't worry. FSU will do it's best to make sure the game is not a blowout, let alone an upset.
 
2012-12-07 11:59:05 AM  

Why Would I Read the Article: We've watched shiatburger teams like Cincinnatti and Pitt and west virginia make BCS bowls, so why should we be so upset about northern illinois? Everyone knows the BCS is a sham. What we should really be upset about is the sham game we're getting for the championship. The Orange Bowl should be the least of our concerns.


As a Pitt fan it pains me to say that the hoopies from Morgantown haven't done that bad in BCS games.

/Pitt's lone appearance was against a pretty good Utah team
//they really didn't deserve the spot though
 
2012-12-07 12:01:47 PM  

Bluestab: I think FSU will destroy them...a repeat of UGA vs. HW in the '08 Sugar Bowl.


We will see. Non AQ teams are 4-1 against AQ teams in BCS Bowls (ignoring the Jim Crow Bowl back in 2010). Though I don't have the same feeling about NIU that I did with TCU/Boise/Utah.
 
2012-12-07 12:02:54 PM  

ChrisDe: Yeah, I knew there were some changes coming up. Top 4 playoff, right? But I'm not sure if the other bowl rules are also changing or not next season


Under the new rules Northern Illinois STILL would have made one of the big money bowls. The top ranked of the Big East, Conference USA, Mountain West, MAC and Sun Belt teams gets an automatic slot in the new system. Northern Illinois is the highest ranked of anyone in those conferences.
 
2012-12-07 12:10:56 PM  
to be fair, FSU doesn't belong in a BCS bowl either.
 
2012-12-07 12:13:09 PM  

birchman: they've spent the last 10 years saying how the current system is awesome


When has anyone on ESPN ever said that?
 
2012-12-07 12:16:07 PM  
What the fark did I just read?
 
2012-12-07 12:24:30 PM  

BoxOfBees: Could it be that Herbstreit is worried about NIU getting national exposure and becoming a viable option for recruits who want to start for a good NIU team instead of being backups at Ohio St? Why else would he whine so much about it? Clearly he has something to lose here. I don't think it's just because ESPN might not get great ratings for the game. I think he is seriously worried that his team - Ohio St. - is going to miss out on something.


Are we talking about the same Herbstreit? The one that said "I don't know why an offensive recruit would even consider going to Ohio State?" That Herbstreit? Or the one that sat silently through an entire Alamo Bowl broadcast (in 2004) while his colleagues spent 3 1/2 hours completely bashing the program? That Herbstreit? Or the one that slotted Ohio State 5 slots down after a Bowl WIN? That Herbstreit? Or the one that moved out of Columbus because he was having an affair, and then pinned it on the Buckeye fans that called him on his BSPN shilling? That Herbstreit?
 
2012-12-07 12:26:57 PM  

GQueue: ChrisDe: Yeah, I knew there were some changes coming up. Top 4 playoff, right? But I'm not sure if the other bowl rules are also changing or not next season

Under the new rules Northern Illinois STILL would have made one of the big money bowls. The top ranked of the Big East, Conference USA, Mountain West, MAC and Sun Belt teams gets an automatic slot in the new system. Northern Illinois is the highest ranked of anyone in those conferences.


OK. And the Big East had a automatic slot but lost it in the new format, is that correct?
 
2012-12-07 12:29:49 PM  
Screw the bowls, give me play-offs. 11 Conference Champions*, 5 At-Large bids for 16 teams, seed by BCS average points, single elimination tournament, with the games at sites of current bowl games.

* In case of co-champions, use BCS average as a tie-breaker.

This years Sweet 16 Match-ups:

#1 Notre Dame vs. #16 Arkansas State
#2 Alabama vs. #15 Tulsa
#3 Florida vs. #14 Wisconsin
#4 Oregon vs #13 Utah State
#5 Kansas State vs.#12 Louisville
#6 Stanford vs #11 Boise State
#7 Georgia vs. #10 Northern Illinois
#8 LSU vs. #9 Florida State

Assume chalk, and the Elite Eight looks like:
#1 Notre Dame vs. #8 LSU
#2 Alabama vs. #7 Georgia (I'm obviously okay with rematches)
#3 Florida vs. #6 Stanford
#4 Oregon vs. #5 Kansas State

Final Four would be:
#1 Notre Dame vs. #4 Oregon
#2 Alabama vs. #3 Florida

Consolation/3rd Place Game:
#3 Florida vs. # Oregon

Championship Game
#1 Notre Dame vs. #2 Alabama

I got the BCS Average points from here.

Seeding and Summary:
Team Conference Qualified BCS Points
1 Notre Dame Fighting Irish Independent At -Large #1 0.9978
2 Alabama Crimson Tide SEC Champion 0.9441
3 Florida Gators SEC At -Large #2 0.8626
4 Oregon Ducks Pac-12 At-Large #3 0.8621
5 Kansas State Wildcats Big 12 Champion 0.8226
6 Stanford Cardinal Pac-12 Champion 0.7683
7 Georgia Bulldogs SEC At-Large #4 0.7583
8 LSU Tigers SEC At-Large #5 0.7511
9 Florida State Seminoles ACC Champion 0.5047
10 Northern Illinois Huskies MAC Champion 0.3276
11 Boise State Broncos MWC Champion 0.2513
12 Louisville Cardinals Big East Champion 0.1808
13 Utah State Aggies WAC Champion 0.1787
14 Wisconsin Big 10 Champion 0.0545
15 Tulsa Golden Hurricanes Conference USA Champion 0.0155
16 Arkansas State Red Wolves Sun Belt Champion 0.0067
 
2012-12-07 12:33:19 PM  
What will happen when NIU wins?
 
2012-12-07 12:38:09 PM  

ChrisDe: And the Big East had a automatic slot but lost it in the new format, is that correct


Yes. They've been banished to that "Group of Five." There's three bowls that have contracts with conferences now, and some weird rules about how when the Rose has a semifinal the Orange (which is ACC vs. Big Ten, SEC or Notre Dame) will not take a Big Ten team but instead will send the Big Ten team to one of the other three bowls (apparently the Cotton, Chikfila, and Fiesta). But bottom line, five conferences have guaranteed at least one slot, and five conferences fight over one guaranteed slot, with the at-large teams apparently being picked by the same committee that does the 1-4 playoff.
 
2012-12-07 12:39:10 PM  

LucklessWonder: Championship Game
#1 Notre Dame vs. #2 Alabama


Man, that would be a great matchup! If only we had a playoff! Stupid BCS is gonna stick us with Notre Dame vs Alabama.

/it's very easy to create a playoff system without regard to money, fans, sponsorship; basically, everything you need to actually run a playoff.
 
2012-12-07 12:41:16 PM  

Brother_Mouzone: What will happen when NIU wins?


Hilarity will ensue

/NIU alum
//Finds this all hilarious
///will be in Miami Jan. 1st
 
2012-12-07 12:43:43 PM  
(*pokes head in thread*)

Go Huskies!

doublebreviews.com

Oops....wrong Huskies.

(*ducks out*)
 
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