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2012-12-07 09:02:51 PM  
I love this thread!

You give people a new choice of GUI (Metro) and they complain that it isnt the same as what they were used to, even though what they were used to is still right there if they want it.

Here is a hint. Metro is best for touch screens. The standard gui is works well for mouse/keyboard. Now you have a choice. If you like new stuff, go with the new. If you are (ahem) "Set in your ways", you can use the standard gui exclusively.

"Noooo! I dont get the new back button! I dont understand! And because I dont immediately understand how it works, I will declare that there is in fact no system, and that it is random! Look, those (entirely customizable tiles) that you can move with your finger arent the exact tiles I want! I'd have to move them around! And add my own stuff! Choices are ugly!"
 
2012-12-07 09:58:10 PM  

ISO15693: I love this thread!

You give people a new choice of GUI (Metro) and they complain that it isnt the same as what they were used to, even though what they were used to is still right there if they want it.

Here is a hint. Metro is best for touch screens. The standard gui is works well for mouse/keyboard. Now you have a choice. If you like new stuff, go with the new. If you are (ahem) "Set in your ways", you can use the standard gui exclusively.

"Noooo! I dont get the new back button! I dont understand! And because I dont immediately understand how it works, I will declare that there is in fact no system, and that it is random! Look, those (entirely customizable tiles) that you can move with your finger arent the exact tiles I want! I'd have to move them around! And add my own stuff! Choices are ugly!"


You know how I know you didn't read my post?
 
2012-12-07 10:29:28 PM  
Seems to me the marketing weasels dropped the ball on this one. They should have just sold it as "Windows Touch" instead of a whole new Windows version.

There would have been a lot less raging I think, if MS had thought to let users choose their preferred desktop during installation and have that become their default. And of course offer an option in system settings to let you switch from one to the other.
 
2012-12-07 10:36:47 PM  

Old enough to know better: Seems to me the marketing weasels dropped the ball on this one. They should have just sold it as "Windows Touch" instead of a whole new Windows version.

There would have been a lot less raging I think, if MS had thought to let users choose their preferred desktop during installation and have that become their default. And of course offer an option in system settings to let you switch from one to the other.


Windows Touch is a fairly accurate name for it. It IS optimized for touchscreens. Of course, had they named it accurately like this they wouldn't have been able to push it onto every new PC made now. Windows 8 makes it sound like the next must-have version, whereas Windows Touch would make it clear you aren't really getting much out of the bargain if you don't have a touchscreen.
 
2012-12-08 01:32:29 AM  
OK, just in case somebody out there gives a shiat, here's my Windows 8 story.

About a month ago, I got a new laptop with Win8 as an early christmas gift. Prior to this, I had seen the commercials and heard the hype and pretty consistently rolled my eyes at all of it. "Oh boy, here we go," I thought to myself, "Windows 7 for people too stupid to use anything but a touchscreen." After taking some time and exploring, however, I found that (for me) it's a hell of a lot easier to use than XP, which I have been using consistently for the last 9 or 10 years. The only complaints I had were that the start menu was ugly and the 'hot corners' were annoying. However, the corners are easily disabled and the start menu is actually easier to use - instead of mousing through tabs, all I have to do is type the first 3 or 4 letters of the program I want and it pops right up. (However, I pretty much only use the start menu for things like Acrobat, wordpad, calculator, etc., so your mileage may vary.)

In addition, being a sound-oriented person who is also lazy, I enjoy the fact that the default sounds for Win8 are far and away more pleasant than XP or Vista.
 
2012-12-08 10:01:13 AM  

Marine1: BullBearMS: How dare you call me a shill!

Now stand back and give me room to shill in!

It would have cost Microsoft nothing to allow users to turn Metro off if they don't like it.

Apple added behaviors from iOS to it's desktop OS as well, but every single one of those behaviors is optional and can be turned on or off in the Control Panel.

As for releasing a new flagship phone knowing full well the new version of the OS you are about to release will never run on it? The fact that you defend this behavior puts that whole "am I a Microsoft shill" question to rest.

Uh huh. Cost nothing... software engineers cost nothing. Their time is free, especially when implementing an older version of the exact same thing they're releasing in their current software.

I'll be sure to let the payroll department at Microsoft know that right after I ask them for my shill money that they've owed me all of these years. Boy howdy, have those guys been getting hosed by their own employees or what?

And I don't think you know what the term "upgrade path" means. The Lumia 900 does indeed have one. Here it is. Video Teaser of Windows Phone 7.8 Update on Nokia Lumia 900


Wait. So Microsoft doesn't already have the code for explorer in Windows 7? These lame ass excuses are what makes you a shill.

Also, how do you upgrade the Lumina 900 to Windows Phone 8, the current version of the OS?

Oh yea. You can't.

Lame farking shill.
 
2012-12-08 03:44:22 PM  

BullBearMS: Marine1: BullBearMS: How dare you call me a shill!

Now stand back and give me room to shill in!

It would have cost Microsoft nothing to allow users to turn Metro off if they don't like it.

Apple added behaviors from iOS to it's desktop OS as well, but every single one of those behaviors is optional and can be turned on or off in the Control Panel.

As for releasing a new flagship phone knowing full well the new version of the OS you are about to release will never run on it? The fact that you defend this behavior puts that whole "am I a Microsoft shill" question to rest.

Uh huh. Cost nothing... software engineers cost nothing. Their time is free, especially when implementing an older version of the exact same thing they're releasing in their current software.

I'll be sure to let the payroll department at Microsoft know that right after I ask them for my shill money that they've owed me all of these years. Boy howdy, have those guys been getting hosed by their own employees or what?

And I don't think you know what the term "upgrade path" means. The Lumia 900 does indeed have one. Here it is. Video Teaser of Windows Phone 7.8 Update on Nokia Lumia 900

Wait. So Microsoft doesn't already have the code for explorer in Windows 7? These lame ass excuses are what makes you a shill.

Also, how do you upgrade the Lumina 900 to Windows Phone 8, the current version of the OS?

Oh yea. You can't.

Lame farking shill.


You don't know what the definition of shill is, do you?

Arguing with you is like arguing with a 13 year old that has antisocial personality disorder. Seriously. One little thing changes in Windows, and suddenly, you claim that Microsoft has massive contempt for their user base. Then, they want to integrate features into their mobile OS that some older hardware just can't support, so again, to you, massive contempt. Forget that the Metro start screen is practically the same concept as the Start button presented in a slightly different way, or that the WP7 flagships will be getting an update to bring new features from WP8 to their hardware... "massive contempt".

You're linux_yes, but instead of constantly saying "yes" to one platform (regardless of its merits), you just say "no" to another one, no matter what evidence is presented to you.
 
2012-12-08 06:21:32 PM  

Marine1: One little thing changes in Windows, and suddenly, you claim that Microsoft has massive contempt for their user base.


To be fair, pretty much everybody has stated that this is the biggest change between versions of windows since the 3.1 -> 95 transition. I'm not certain this qualifies as "one little change."
 
2012-12-09 01:48:49 PM  

jack21221: So far, we have "it boots faster." I reboot my computer MAYBE once a week, so this is not an issue.


This exactly
 
2012-12-09 02:04:41 PM  

jack21221: meanmutton: (Honestly, get a touchscreen laptop for your next computer

Care to explain to me under what circumstances I would ever use the touch screen? Right now, I can move my hand a few centimeters in either direction with my arm resting on the table and then move my index finger about a millimeter downwards to click on something. On a touch screen, I'd need to lift my whole arm up and swing it from place to place to click on things. That sounds much, much worse.


Don't forget having a greased up dirty monitor to look at.
 
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