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2012-12-07 05:38:43 AM
Every time I see a screenshot of windows 8 I find myself saying out loud "That screen can just fark off, there is no way I am using that OS"

When did `forwards` become `backwards` in the progress of technology?

slower, smaller, worse design, less features.

"It`s not crappy, it`s advanced!"
 
2012-12-07 05:44:29 AM
Because if you don't constantly fark with how your product looks and behaves then how can you justify selling someone something they already have?
 
2012-12-07 06:05:59 AM

CujoQuarrel: Skyfrog: ISO15693: Flying Code Monkey: . People who don't get that the Start Screen is just the Start Button exploded from a corner to a screen ... don't get stuff.

It's not just the start screen (it is very ugly however) it's the fact that you can only have one application on screen at a time. Why on earth would I want this 'Feature'?


This...
amongst others is the reason that Win 8 is utter dogshiat. Even in OS X, the expand to screen feature combined with spaces is very rarely used. (Spaces is used a lot, but i find that having any single app in 'fullscreen', is an impediment to productivity) In fact i'm currently programming an EPOS system for a friend in XP, and it's singlemost annoying feature is the fact that it's full screen, and theres no way to get out of it without exiting it.

However other highlights about the shiattiness of Win 8, include the fact that NO metro apps are cross compatible. Yes thats right folks, after all this 'consolidation' and 'one OS to rule them all', if you develop a metro app for winpho 8, it won't run on Surface RT, or Win 8 pro(per)

Way to encourage developers there MS!
 
2012-12-07 06:31:09 AM
Windows 8 is better than 7 which was better than Vista which wasn't much better than XP.

Try actually using it, and maybe spending oh, 4 minutes getting used to it. But no, really LINUX ON THE DESKTOP IS THIS YEAR!
 
2012-12-07 06:40:04 AM
Since this is a Windows 8 thread, I will post this here. I originally posted it to the Microsoft help board, but I never got a reply. I'm sure there is some really obvious answer that will make me look like an idiot, but I'm at a loss to fix this:

I recently upgraded to Windows 8 from Windows 7 on my Sony Vaio laptop (model #VCBYB35KX). Everything was working great for the first two days. However, after that time period, I began running into serious problems. I woke my computer up from a "sleep" state to find that my computer could no longer see any devices plugged into my USB ports, my Bluetooth mouse, or my built-in webcam.

I checked my devices under the setting in an attempt to rectify the problem. My computer still has the mouse listed as a device, but I every attempt to remove it from the device list so that I could reload it from scratch resulted in a message "remove failed".

When I open up the "devices and printers" menu, my computer shows up with an "error" message. The automatic troubleshoot does nothing. It is a circular problem saying that there is a problem with the device driver, and an attempt to apply the fix, which goes right back to saying there is a problem.

I tried to manually install driver updates to all hardware on my computer, and while I was able to install the drivers themselves, there was no change.

As a last resort, I did a system restore to immediately after the Windows 8 install (when everything was still working). Not only did this not work, but now the button on my start menu all fail to work, except for the button that leads to the desktop.

So, yeah. I would say that my Windows 8 experience is even worse than most.
 
2012-12-07 06:40:56 AM

ghare: Windows 8 is better than 7 which was better than Vista which wasn't much better than XP.

Try actually using it, and maybe spending oh, 4 minutes getting used to it. But no, really LINUX ON THE DESKTOP IS THIS YEAR!


Dude...I spent 3 weeks using it as a test bed for whether our company should upgrade or not. It doesn't even farking play nicely with MS's OWN CRM SYSTEMS.... (oh yes thats right, to get Dynamics to actually work, you need to install this framework, and that framework that we're not going to put any instructions about this on the website)

Every morning i fired it up, it sent chills down my spine...the thought of this thing actually being deployed in any company scares the shiat out of me....as an IT department you are basically signing your own Productivity DEATH WARRANT.

The thought of it being put on my 60 year old mothers laptop (my mums 60, not her laptop) would make me run for the hills!
 
2012-12-07 06:44:38 AM
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2012-12-07 06:44:41 AM

Skyfrog: ISO15693: Flying Code Monkey: . People who don't get that the Start Screen is just the Start Button exploded from a corner to a screen ... don't get stuff.

I think that's the best way to put it.

Some people have built their own sense of identity on not liking new things. Change hurts them personally.

I'm still waiting to hear why I would want the start menu "exploded" over the entire screen, covering up everything while replacing my nice tidy list of shortcuts with giant tiles and advertisements. Stupidest thing they've done in a long time.


You don't get it man, it's metro. It's new and cool and you should like it or you're an old dinosaur that doesn't get it and can't adapt.

You probably don't even tweet updates to your friends when your dropping a load do you?

Join the rest of us in the 21st century mate, sheesh.
 
2012-12-07 07:02:12 AM
A company that cared about it's customers would make the Metro "Let's turn your PC into a dumbed down smartphone" interface optional. If you didn't think it made sense on a PC with a mouse, you could simply turn it off.

Microsoft is not such a company.
 
2012-12-07 07:13:54 AM

SomeTexan: It's windows 7 (NT 6.2) with a rotten UI. Add Start8 and Bob's your uncle.


THIS

/ the metro stuff is a complete waste of time on the desktop.
 
2012-12-07 07:27:29 AM
Just give it to a Mac user

'I heard that you can run Windows on your Mac and got this got you so you can have both!'
 
2012-12-07 07:43:31 AM
Come on guys, you should know by now that you don't adopt a new operating system from Microsoft until Service Pacl 1 is released.

Have you learned nothing?
 
2012-12-07 07:48:55 AM
You go through and "unpin" the crap you don't use.
You go through and "pin" the crap you do use.

The Start menu is just that - your shortcut to the crap you use. Unlike the old start menu (which used a small amount of space) - this one uses more.

You can still pin crap to the taskbar and can still alt-tab between crap on Windows RT or Windows 8.

Been using it since the preview. I wouldn't go back to 7 - because there isn't a need to. The two things that bug me are shutdown and Windows Update (no desktop notification, only a logon notification) - and Alt-F4 on the Desktop still shuts it down so it's not that big of a deal.
 
2012-12-07 08:15:15 AM
I will get Win8 in a VMWare instance when it's available through my employer, and get a look at it. But I expect that I will skip it completely on my machines. I'm pretty sure that this "one OS for all devices" idea will not pan out...at least, not when it comes from Microsoft. They're barely capable of creating an OS just for PCs.

Also I look forward to hearing about the thousands of new, gigantic security holes MS baked into this version of Windows.
 
2012-12-07 08:15:42 AM
My boss has been enamored with his Surface since he got it. I have a sinking feeling that he's going to take the Christmas bonuses and sink them into Surface's as gifts for everyone.

No one here wants a Surface.
 
2012-12-07 08:31:30 AM
Serious question...

I pretty much exclusively launch applications from years of Vista and Windows 7 use by hitting the windows key on my keyboard, typing a few characters of the name of the program, and hitting enter. I use it for all built in Microsoft stuff, like remote desktop, various options and settings, as well as every application I use. As a developer, I'm quite proficient at this, notably faster than say, finding an icon. I have about 2 icons on my desktop at any time... usually things I'm actively working on.

How can I make Windows 8 work that way? Especially launching things by typing, and not touching a mouse.
 
2012-12-07 08:31:49 AM

likefunbutnot: Windows 8 is fine. It's a little different. There are ways to put the start menu back if you need it (Classic Start, Start 8), and the performance improvements are entirely worthwhile. Yes, they moved a bunch of crap around for no reason, but they do that in every Windows release. It's not Vista and it's not ME.


An OS that's only good if you install 3rd party apps is not a good OS.
 
2012-12-07 08:32:36 AM
Instead of a start button and a simple list of what you have, you get boxes to click on. As you add more software, there are more and more boxes until the one you need now is a needle in a haystack. That is not progress, it is a giant leap backward to Windows 3.1, and that is a stupid idea. Shutting it down is a pain in the ass. Even if you have been using computers all your life, you will probably need a "for dummies" book to figure this mess out.
 
2012-12-07 08:36:36 AM
Since you can only display only display one screen at a time, should't it be called "Window 8"?
 
2012-12-07 08:37:02 AM
Windows 8 is a stupid thing designed by stupid people and aimed at stupid consumers and I am annoyed that I will have to begin using it shortly to remotely manage some new Server 2012 machines we're currently setting up.
 
2012-12-07 08:37:39 AM
I've yet to use it for any considerable length of time because, frankly, I don't need to. 7 is in my mind nearly perfect. But I do have a question:

Everything I've read says that you can easily switch to the classic desktop. If that's the case, what's the big deal? It would seem more a minor annoyance than cause for doom and gloom. With Microsoft, you should all be accustomed to some level of minor annoyance by now.

Also, wouldn't the performance improvements negate or even surpass being annoyed by Metro?

I'm not saying you should run out an buy Win8 (doesn't seem to be any compelling reason to do so, like there was with 7). But if it's installed on a new laptop you buy, I don't see what all the anger is about.
 
2012-12-07 08:38:36 AM

Quantumbunny: Serious question...

I pretty much exclusively launch applications from years of Vista and Windows 7 use by hitting the windows key on my keyboard, typing a few characters of the name of the program, and hitting enter. I use it for all built in Microsoft stuff, like remote desktop, various options and settings, as well as every application I use. As a developer, I'm quite proficient at this, notably faster than say, finding an icon. I have about 2 icons on my desktop at any time... usually things I'm actively working on.

How can I make Windows 8 work that way? Especially launching things by typing, and not touching a mouse.


That's exactly how you are supposed to find things on the Start screen with Windows 8. You'd feel right at home.
 
2012-12-07 08:44:16 AM
It's too bad, really. Windows 8 is fast, stable, and works quite well on a touch screen. but put it on a non touch screen system and the UI is horrible.
 
2012-12-07 08:45:09 AM

Absurdity: Since this is a Windows 8 thread, I will post this here. I originally posted it to the Microsoft help board, but I never got a reply. I'm sure there is some really obvious answer that will make me look like an idiot, but I'm at a loss to fix this:

I recently upgraded to Windows 8 from Windows 7 on my Sony Vaio laptop (model #VCBYB35KX). Everything was working great for the first two days. However, after that time period, I began running into serious problems. I woke my computer up from a "sleep" state to find that my computer could no longer see any devices plugged into my USB ports, my Bluetooth mouse, or my built-in webcam.

I checked my devices under the setting in an attempt to rectify the problem. My computer still has the mouse listed as a device, but I every attempt to remove it from the device list so that I could reload it from scratch resulted in a message "remove failed".

When I open up the "devices and printers" menu, my computer shows up with an "error" message. The automatic troubleshoot does nothing. It is a circular problem saying that there is a problem with the device driver, and an attempt to apply the fix, which goes right back to saying there is a problem.

I tried to manually install driver updates to all hardware on my computer, and while I was able to install the drivers themselves, there was no change.

As a last resort, I did a system restore to immediately after the Windows 8 install (when everything was still working). Not only did this not work, but now the button on my start menu all fail to work, except for the button that leads to the desktop.

So, yeah. I would say that my Windows 8 experience is even worse than most.


My guess, you did an "Upgrade" from 7 to 8. I did that with my work computer and some of the windows 7 drivers got "stuck". Like with any OS upgrade it is far better to do a fresh install, load all the windows 8 drivers from Sony for your computer and it should behave fine.

When I upgraded my Lenovo T430 to 8, my biggest issue was with the intel graphics chip giving weird errors and not allowing me to go into dual monitor mode. Once I did a fresh install, all was better.

And overall, I like 8 better than 7 due to performance increases on boot, shutdown and just operating normally.
 
2012-12-07 08:48:47 AM

uncoveror: Instead of a start button and a simple list of what you have, you get boxes to click on.


To be fair, this makes perfect sense. The fact is that millions of idiots who use Windows still do not understand how the start menu works even though it's been the standard first step to doing anything in the OS for over 17 years.

I have many co-workers who, if Excel or Outlook or IE are not pinned to the taskbar or provided as a shortcut on the desktop, do not know how to start any of those programs in Windows 7.

I just wish that their Professional line was actually aimed more at professionals and went beyond the added backoffice toolkit support you get with it. I'm tired of having to share an OS with morons who still haven't figured out after all these years how to select text without click-holding with the mouse or what the system tray is.

Let the idiots have their idiotOS with the pretty speak-n-spell design. I want something functional that integrates well with AD and keeps as much of the UI out of the way as possible so I can do some real work while Lisa Limpbrain fumbles about with how to resize her potluck lunch spreadsheet.
 
2012-12-07 09:03:35 AM

uncoveror: Instead of a start button and a simple list of what you have, you get boxes to click on. As you add more software, there are more and more boxes until the one you need now is a needle in a haystack. That is not progress, it is a giant leap backward to Windows 3.1, and that is a stupid idea. Shutting it down is a pain in the ass. Even if you have been using computers all your life, you will probably need a "for dummies" book to figure this mess out.


#1, you don't need to use Metro, I rarely do and use the desktop 99% of the time.

#2 you can remove those boxes of junk you don't want pinned to Metro.

#3 Shutting down the PC is easy to do, you are just lazy or don't know how to do it the right way because you can't unlearn how horribly clunky it really was in prior versions.
 
2012-12-07 09:05:05 AM

Quantumbunny: Serious question...

I pretty much exclusively launch applications from years of Vista and Windows 7 use by hitting the windows key on my keyboard, typing a few characters of the name of the program, and hitting enter. I use it for all built in Microsoft stuff, like remote desktop, various options and settings, as well as every application I use. As a developer, I'm quite proficient at this, notably faster than say, finding an icon. I have about 2 icons on my desktop at any time... usually things I'm actively working on.

How can I make Windows 8 work that way? Especially launching things by typing, and not touching a mouse.


Easy... Press the windows key on your keyboard and start typing the program name. If you are even lazier, you can create shortcuts to launch certain things. It just looks different because the metro overlay comes up when you press the windows key. Type and you start searching all your programs.
 
2012-12-07 09:10:17 AM

SomeTexan: It's not that bad. Seriously.

It's windows 7 (NT 6.2) with a rotten UI. Add Start8 and Bob's your uncle.

/ Seriously
/ Vista = 6.0, Win 7 = 6.1, Win 8 = 6.2


You should not have to add something to your brand new OS just to make it functional for 90% of the user base (you know... the ones that are not tech savvy)
 
2012-12-07 09:12:34 AM
I have a 4 year old desktop with Vista, and despite occasional memory issues, it's fine. However, I recently ran across my first game that I wanted that I could not run at all with my current rig. I went onto newegg.com to browse new PCs, and about half of them are still windows 7. I'm thinking I should buy a computer sooner rather than later, before microsoft takes away Windows 7 altogether.

I just cannot imagine having a tablet UI on my desktop computer. I just do not see what functionality it adds, and I'd have to install 3rd party programs to restore the functionality that Windows 7 already has.
 
2012-12-07 09:15:35 AM
Windows 8 isn't that bad.

C'mon guys, if you want to show how cool and edgy you are, you're supposed to be hating on Apple now.
 
2012-12-07 09:22:03 AM
Lol@all the farkers that can't figure out the back button on Android.
Whatever you were doing, it goes back one action.
If I have a browser open, then open my email, back button brings me back to the browser.
If I touch the screen too long and the copy/paste tools show up, back button makes them go away.

Not hard.
 
2012-12-07 09:22:31 AM

styckx: The Windows 8 hate is mildly annoying at this point. The media is trying extremely too hard to make it sound like Vista.


hahahaha... omg.... wait....{cough}... damn dude, not so early in the morning!

Vista was the bomb compared to 8... and Vista sucked ass hardcore, but at least it didn't change what it meant to have a computer.

Change everything around so nobody can find a damn thing? CHECK
Make sure nobody can run more than one app at a time? CHECK
Make sure that all previous users can't upgrade anything without a dog and pony show? CHECK
Turn ordinary PCs into useless boat anchors by making them Tablets without Touchscreens? CHECK

Yup... it's got everything going for it.

I think you forget that 90% of the user base is not tech savvy in any way, shape, form, fashion, idea, principle, concept, or any otherwise noted or un-noted exception. People like familiarity. The 90% of the Windows user base who are not tech savvy who have used any version of Windows before will look at Windows 8 and go "WTF?". If this is a trolling attempt by Microsoft, it's masterful... I suspect, however, that it is an effort to drive up Customer Assistance sales (Tech Support at $35 per issue adds up quick)... There is going to be quite a lot of "How do I" calls.
 
2012-12-07 09:23:34 AM
Can you not set your own desktop wallpaper in Windows 8?
 
2012-12-07 09:28:31 AM
The operating system I use blows all of these other ones out of the water. You wouldn't have heard of it.
 
2012-12-07 09:32:59 AM

WhippingBoy: The operating system I use blows all of these other ones out of the water. You wouldn't have heard of it.


try me
 
2012-12-07 09:35:32 AM

BullBearMS: A company that cared about it's customers would make the Metro "Let's turn your PC into a dumbed down smartphone" interface optional


Then Microsoft must care about their customers, because I've been running 8 for a couple weeks, and Metro is a distant memory.

BullBearMS: f you didn't think it made sense on a PC with a mouse, you could simply turn it off.

Microsoft is not such a company.


A person that cared about not being utterly wrong would not have typed these sentences.

You are not such a person.
 
2012-12-07 09:42:51 AM

WhippingBoy: Windows 8 isn't that bad.


You realize that this isn't exactly a ringing endorsement, right? By all accounts, Windows 7 was "really good," and here you're saying Windows 8 "isn't that bad." So why would anybody choose windows 8 over windows 7?

Actually, I'm going to leave that as a standing question to everybody. What benefits does Windows 8 have over Windows 7?
 
2012-12-07 09:47:50 AM

jack21221: What benefits does Windows 8 have over Windows 7?


It boots fast under certain conditions and if you're one of those diots who often screws up your computer so that it's running like molasses after a year it has a nifty "undo to factory condition" option.

Uh....
 
2012-12-07 09:51:46 AM

Absurdity: Since this is a Windows 8 thread, I will post this here. I originally posted it to the Microsoft help board, but I never got a reply. I'm sure there is some really obvious answer that will make me look like an idiot, but I'm at a loss to fix this:

I recently upgraded to Windows 8 from Windows 7 on my Sony Vaio laptop (model #VCBYB35KX). Everything was working great for the first two days. However, after that time period, I began running into serious problems. I woke my computer up from a "sleep" state to find that my computer could no longer see any devices plugged into my USB ports, my Bluetooth mouse, or my built-in webcam.

I checked my devices under the setting in an attempt to rectify the problem. My computer still has the mouse listed as a device, but I every attempt to remove it from the device list so that I could reload it from scratch resulted in a message "remove failed".

When I open up the "devices and printers" menu, my computer shows up with an "error" message. The automatic troubleshoot does nothing. It is a circular problem saying that there is a problem with the device driver, and an attempt to apply the fix, which goes right back to saying there is a problem.

I tried to manually install driver updates to all hardware on my computer, and while I was able to install the drivers themselves, there was no change.

As a last resort, I did a system restore to immediately after the Windows 8 install (when everything was still working). Not only did this not work, but now the button on my start menu all fail to work, except for the button that leads to the desktop.

So, yeah. I would say that my Windows 8 experience is even worse than most.


what component currently has an exclamation point on it in device manager?
 
2012-12-07 09:56:50 AM

thurstonxhowell: BullBearMS: A company that cared about it's customers would make the Metro "Let's turn your PC into a dumbed down smartphone" interface optional

Then Microsoft must care about their customers, because I've been running 8 for a couple weeks, and Metro is a distant memory.


And how did you achieve this miracle?

Did you bolt on some third party software? If so Bullbear is bang on the money i'm afraid.

An OS you have to tinker with out of the box, is a shiat OS.

End of story.
 
2012-12-07 09:57:41 AM
So much uninformed bashing in this thread.

And yes - you can run two apps in a split-screen mode at the same time. And you can have tons of apps open in the background, and switching is super easy. And being able to search your calendar, people, files, apps, music, web, etc. all from the same place is hella convenient.

I love the new remote desktop app - It's like tabs for Remote Desktop. Using the old rdp desktop application now feels like using browsers before they invented tabs.

The calendar/chat notifications are great - even when I'm just working in the desktop. The default weather app is incredible. I've had a little problem with my bluetooth module, but beyond that, this upgrade has been great for me.
 
2012-12-07 10:00:07 AM
Microsoft redeemed themselves with Windows 7 by making their best OS since 3.1. Now they insult their users by making what is essentially At Ease for System 7. Yuck.
 
2012-12-07 10:00:15 AM

thurstonxhowell: A person that cared about not being utterly wrong would not have typed these sentences. You will eat Microsoft's shiat sandwich and like it, damnit!

 
2012-12-07 10:06:34 AM

wholedamnshow: Lol@all the farkers that can't figure out the back button on Android.


It does have some weird inconsistencies, but you get used to them so they aren't a surprise. In fact, I've intentionally turned on some of the inconsistencies since I like them.

For example, I may be in a browser, and tap on my new email notification from the notification bar. That drops me into that message in my email client. If I hit back from there, it takes me back to the folder list and not back to the browser. I'm ok with this and like it fine. There's a few other apps where it does this, but you learn them fairly quickly. Generally it makes sense where it does it.
 
2012-12-07 10:06:59 AM

Ba'boon: So much uninformed bashing in this thread.


Then can you give me, as a keyboard-and-mouse desktop user, any good reasons to get Windows 8 over Windows 7?

So far, we have "it boots faster." I reboot my computer MAYBE once a week, so this is not an issue. You talk about calendar/chat notifications. I don't know what chat you're talking about, and my (few) calendar entries are on my iPhone.

You can have tons of programs open in EVERY version of windows, from windows 3.1 on, so I don't see how this is an upgrade. I can't imagine a "weather app" being "incredible." It's trivial to open a new tab in Chrome and just click on my weather channel bookmark. Having that on the desktop would be so minor as to be unnoticeable.

Got anything else?
 
2012-12-07 10:10:17 AM
I love threads full of people that vehemently pretend to know wtf they are talking about.

I've been using Win8 for a couple weeks now and it is, without a doubt, an improvement in every way over 7. Now, is it worth the money to buy? That depends, but it is no doubt better, UI and all.

Firstly, you can have 2, not 1, Metro app open at the same time. About 2 dozen people said otherwise, that alone proves they've never even watched a video of someone using Win8. Secondly, you can have the desktop AND an app open at the same time. Win8, for screen space purposes, treats the entire desktop as a giant metro window and docks the app itself off to the side. I have often used the messenger app while working on my desktop.

The new start screen is much better than the old start menu. The old start menu was quickly reduced to near uselessness by tons of nested folders obscuring what you were looking for. It took me about two weeks to stop using it in Win7. So I haven't even considered its existence for... 3 years? I don't even remember.

What they did do was take the two actually useful features, pinned items and searching, and make them better. So now rather than a tiny list of pinned items in a tiny start menu, you effectively have an infinite number of them on a giant screen, grouped however you like. I group my frequently clicked ones towards the center of the screen, making them faster to click (Windows Key + click). They also improved the search functionality, which was already quite good. You want pinned items on the desktop? You still have the taskbar and desktop icons.

The live tiles, and online integration are also very nice, and quite useful. I find myself using Metro apps simply because they are so convenient. When I get emails, they pop up and I just click. Now, I still use the web interface when doing anything heavy duty, but it is handy for alerts and reading/replying. I also end up using the messenger because it connects to Facebook without it either being open or having Facebook open. Since I rarely use it, it is nice that people are able to message me.

Finally I enjoy the live tiles. I think they look great and are useful even on a desktop. I look forward to see how they are used in the future. I still spend most of my time on the desktop of course, but the new UI is "Start Menu++" by a long-shot.

/Visual Appeal is a matter of taste, I happen to like it.
 
2012-12-07 10:12:00 AM

olapbill: Absurdity: Since this is a Windows 8 thread, I will post this here. I originally posted it to the Microsoft help board, but I never got a reply. I'm sure there is some really obvious answer that will make me look like an idiot, but I'm at a loss to fix this:

I recently upgraded to Windows 8 from Windows 7 on my Sony Vaio laptop (model #VCBYB35KX). Everything was working great for the first two days. However, after that time period, I began running into serious problems. I woke my computer up from a "sleep" state to find that my computer could no longer see any devices plugged into my USB ports, my Bluetooth mouse, or my built-in webcam.

I checked my devices under the setting in an attempt to rectify the problem. My computer still has the mouse listed as a device, but I every attempt to remove it from the device list so that I could reload it from scratch resulted in a message "remove failed".

When I open up the "devices and printers" menu, my computer shows up with an "error" message. The automatic troubleshoot does nothing. It is a circular problem saying that there is a problem with the device driver, and an attempt to apply the fix, which goes right back to saying there is a problem.

I tried to manually install driver updates to all hardware on my computer, and while I was able to install the drivers themselves, there was no change.

As a last resort, I did a system restore to immediately after the Windows 8 install (when everything was still working). Not only did this not work, but now the button on my start menu all fail to work, except for the button that leads to the desktop.

So, yeah. I would say that my Windows 8 experience is even worse than most.

what component currently has an exclamation point on it in device manager?


Unfortunately I don't have it in front of me, but it was the USB device manager. I forget exactly what it is called.

/Not too tech savvy. But I really appreciate the help.
 
2012-12-07 10:12:51 AM

Minktastic Mink!: Microsoft redeemed themselves with Windows 7 by making their best OS since 3.1. Now they insult their users by making what is essentially At Ease for System 7. Yuck.


And I thought I was the ONLY person to remember At Ease!!!!

You sir, Rock!
 
2012-12-07 10:15:49 AM

Beta Tested: I love threads full of people that vehemently pretend to know wtf they are talking about.

I've been using Win8 for a couple weeks now and it is, without a doubt, an improvement in every way over 7. Now, is it worth the money to buy? That depends, but it is no doubt better, UI and all.

Firstly, you can have 2, not 1, Metro app open at the same time.


You can have an unlimited number of programs open at a time in Windows Vista. Two is a downgrade.

Beta Tested: So now rather than a tiny list of pinned items in a tiny start menu, you effectively have an infinite number of them on a giant screen, grouped however you like.


Oh, you mean like the desktop shortcuts I already have in Vista?
 
2012-12-07 10:17:29 AM
I think that the problem people have is that they're using Windows 8 with a non-touchscreen computer. Don't do that. When you get your next computer, make sure you get something touchscreen. Windows 8 is just insanely slick on my HP Elitebook.

Plus with how cheap touchscreen PCs are, in two years or so once you've got one you're going to go back and look at this thread and laugh at yourself.

Here's where it's going to be a killer: my three year old looks at a Windows 7 machine and has no idea how to do anything with it. We go to Best Buy and she sees an Ultrabook, bumps the windows button, and then can fire up games, listen to music, do whatever nearly immediately.

I fully expected to hate Windows 8 but honestly, using it for a little while on a touchscreen and I LOVE it.
 
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