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2012-12-07 12:06:07 AM
What is the best feature of iOS on the iPad? A permanent hardware Home button. It isn't as convenient as going "Back" on Android

If Back worked consistently, that might be true. But it doesn't: I Never Have Any Idea What The Back Button Will Do
 
2012-12-07 12:07:40 AM
It's not that bad. Seriously.

It's windows 7 (NT 6.2) with a rotten UI. Add Start8 and Bob's your uncle.

/ Seriously
/ Vista = 6.0, Win 7 = 6.1, Win 8 = 6.2
 
2012-12-07 12:07:55 AM
I hate Windows 8. I've never used it myself, but I've read enough online reviews to know I should hate it.
 
2012-12-07 12:15:56 AM

JosephFinn: What is the best feature of iOS on the iPad? A permanent hardware Home button. It isn't as convenient as going "Back" on Android

If Back worked consistently, that might be true. But it doesn't: I Never Have Any Idea What The Back Button Will Do


Back button sucks hard.

Aint nothing else to say bout that
 
2012-12-07 12:17:19 AM
A buddy of mine installed it and let me have a look. Their UI changes don't make sense. It's a muddle of an interface. And getting rid of the Start button was just silly. He was a bit harsh in his assessment - "worst Microsoft OS since Bob" - but then I haven't lived with it for as long.
 
2012-12-07 12:17:50 AM
The problem with Windows 8, and the Surface "tablet" is that Microsoft see's the Ipad/Nexus 7 and was like "I need to get in on that" but is still focused on making a PC. The end result is a tablet that isn't really a tablet, and a version of Windows that tries to be two different things at the same damn time. Fail.
 
2012-12-07 12:19:44 AM

cman: JosephFinn: What is the best feature of iOS on the iPad? A permanent hardware Home button. It isn't as convenient as going "Back" on Android

If Back worked consistently, that might be true. But it doesn't: I Never Have Any Idea What The Back Button Will Do

Back button sucks hard.

Aint nothing else to say bout that


I have never had a problem with the back button and my phone is running Gingerbread.
 
2012-12-07 12:20:17 AM
Greenspun opined, adding: "The only device that I can remember being as confused by is the BlackBerry PlayBook."

As a long-time techie and professional IT geek, I was totally on-board with his message, until that line... what was confusing about the Playbook's UI?

I used to write my own DOS boot scripts as a kid, I spent years on NT4, I currently work with enterprise AD domains, I've tested, performed and supported large-scale Windows 7 deployments... and it took me a good 10 minutes to figure out how to shut down Windows 8. And I'm not ashamed to admit that to my geek friends, because they all had the same experience. How freaking sad is that?

How does that compare to the Playbook's UI? I thought it was pretty standard...
 
2012-12-07 12:21:17 AM

bbfreak: cman: JosephFinn: What is the best feature of iOS on the iPad? A permanent hardware Home button. It isn't as convenient as going "Back" on Android

If Back worked consistently, that might be true. But it doesn't: I Never Have Any Idea What The Back Button Will Do

Back button sucks hard.

Aint nothing else to say bout that

I have never had a problem with the back button and my phone is running Gingerbread.


The problem with the back button is that it has no uniformity. When you press the Home button on the iPad, you know what is going to happen. Pressing the back button is like rolling the dice taking a chance and 1/4th the time it doesnt go where you expect it to go
 
2012-12-07 12:22:23 AM
I really want Surface to work.
 
2012-12-07 12:30:05 AM
I'm liking the under-the-hood stuff that's to be found on win8, but the UI is sooooo bad I want nothing to do with it.
 
2012-12-07 12:39:31 AM
Tablet People Problems
 
2012-12-07 12:42:49 AM
Windows 8 isn't that bad, I've been using it for months, first with the consumer preview, then the release candidate and finally the full version. I also had a Win7 phone and all of the data that was saved "to the cloud" automatically synced to the PC. Spend a little time using it, watch a couple of the intro videos, and read a few Windows 8 tips. It boots fast, and once on the desktop, it's very similar to Windows 7.
 
2012-12-07 12:44:41 AM
A friend if mine has a windows 8 phone and loves it (lumia), I'm mixed on it as a desktop os.
 
2012-12-07 12:45:19 AM
I can't use the Metro interface because I need more than one app opened at a time. I can't use Desktop mode because I have around 60 apps installed and some I don't use often enough to know the name of in order to search for them.

An OS is like a road, it just facilitates cars driving on it. People don't use the road, they use their cars. People don't use computers for the OS, they use them for the apps. As long as the road is drivable, nobody should care about the road. As long as the OS is functional, nobody should care about the OS. Every now and then the road gets paved, but after the paving, it's back to being forgotten about. Every now and then the OS gets updated, and it should go back to being forgotten about. When your road gets paved, you shouldn't have to relearn how to drive on it, just like when your OS gets updated, you shouldn't have to relearn how to use it.

Sure, maybe they added a bike lane so the first two times you take that road it's a surprise, but nothing major. With Windows 8, Microsoft not only changed the color of the stripes, they changed what the stripes mean, which side of the road you drive on, all the colors of the traffic lights, and they randomly make you load your car onto a train and then ride in the caboose for a few miles, before letting you and your car back onto the road.
 
2012-12-07 12:49:38 AM
Win 8 is an even number. Mathematically it failed before they even started making it. Everything else being equal, it is farking ugly. If I wanted to feel nauseous using a computer I'd put XP back to the default theme and pocket the cash.
 
2012-12-07 12:54:05 AM
I figured it out in about 15 seconds. Is everyone else retarded? Switching from Metro to desktop is clunky, but it's really not a big deal as there's nothing on the metro side to use yet.

Anyway, it's not the dog that Vista was. Performance (on my hardware at least) is better than 7. Mind you, I wouldn't pay to upgrade from 7 to 8 - you're not getting anything. But, thanks to work, it didn't cost me anything. I'll stick with 8. With Vista, I tried it for a few weeks, said, "Aw, hell naw" and went back to XP.

And yet, I bought my kid a Nexus 7 for xmas. There is no 7" Windows tablet, and I certainly wouldn't pay anything extra for it. Also, that Nexus 7 is pretty damn sweet.
 
2012-12-07 12:55:29 AM
The only reason I'll use 8 is because I have a Technet subscription and a beast of a computer at home to run it on VirtualBox.
 
2012-12-07 01:01:05 AM
I've watched youtube videos of 8 in action and honestly I don't get all the hate. Doesn't seem that horrible.

Still not getting it of course. Not really enough of an improvement over 7 to justify the cost.
 
2012-12-07 01:01:11 AM
FTA: In a side note at the bottom, Greenspun theorized that tech writers have given Windows 8 decent reviews because "journalists love anything new, different, and complicated. Windows 8 is all of those things."

Or, it could be because it's actually, y'know, decent. Increased performance, more versatility, and it works. But, no one went broke by attention whoring at Microsoft's expense, I guess, so we'll see second-stringers keep doing so to gain eyeshare.
 
2012-12-07 01:02:18 AM
I've only seen it on the Surface, but I'm confused. When it was folded up as a tablet, there were all these little boxes that did stuff, and I was like "Hey, that's a pretty good UI for a tablet." When I folded it down to the keyboard "laptop" style, one of the "little boxes that does stuff" took the UI back to good old familiar start button land and it looked like a laptop should.

All of that took me about 30 seconds to figure out. What am I doing wrong that causes me not to hate this?
 
2012-12-07 01:02:47 AM

Old enough to know better: I've watched youtube videos of 8 in action and honestly I don't get all the hate. Doesn't seem that horrible.

Still not getting it of course. Not really enough of an improvement over 7 to justify the cost.


If you have 7 on an existing machine, keep 7 - if you're getting a new machine, get 8. That's really where the money is at present for them, as there's no pressing need to upgrade from 7. It's 7 with a few cool improvements (and a new UI that scares the old folks.)
 
2012-12-07 01:03:16 AM

NewWorldDan: I figured it out in about 15 seconds. Is everyone else retarded?


Yes. Yes they are.

When you can't figure out squares... you have gone full retard.
 
2012-12-07 01:06:12 AM

Rent Party: I've only seen it on the Surface, but I'm confused. When it was folded up as a tablet, there were all these little boxes that did stuff, and I was like "Hey, that's a pretty good UI for a tablet." When I folded it down to the keyboard "laptop" style, one of the "little boxes that does stuff" took the UI back to good old familiar start button land and it looked like a laptop should.

All of that took me about 30 seconds to figure out. What am I doing wrong that causes me not to hate this?


Apple and Google are upset that you're not cupping their balls, apparently. We're looking at the holiday season, and Microsoft just came out with new software and some cool hardware on which to run it. That's going to eat into the money Apple & Google expected for their software & hardware, and so we get this indirect marketing crap.

Apple & Google have forgotten one of the basic rules - you lengthen your own line. You don't keep trying to shorten the other guy's line - it's a losing prospect in the long run.
 
2012-12-07 01:06:42 AM
MS does a good job of giving IT departments a break, by making alternating "useful" and "immensely broken" OS upgrades. XP was a "gotta have it", vista was grounds for termination. Windows 7, we jumped right on. Windows 8, will never see daylight in most shops.
 
2012-12-07 01:08:44 AM
I have a Nexus 7 and I like using the touchscreen format on it. Not sure I'd like it for a full time computer, though.
 
2012-12-07 01:08:59 AM
Windows 8 is fine. It's a little different. There are ways to put the start menu back if you need it (Classic Start, Start 8), and the performance improvements are entirely worthwhile. Yes, they moved a bunch of crap around for no reason, but they do that in every Windows release. It's not Vista and it's not ME.
 
2012-12-07 01:09:18 AM
Windows as a Christmas gift sucks, regardless of version. At least buy me a new farking computer.
 
2012-12-07 01:11:05 AM

FormlessOne: Rent Party: I've only seen it on the Surface, but I'm confused. When it was folded up as a tablet, there were all these little boxes that did stuff, and I was like "Hey, that's a pretty good UI for a tablet." When I folded it down to the keyboard "laptop" style, one of the "little boxes that does stuff" took the UI back to good old familiar start button land and it looked like a laptop should.

All of that took me about 30 seconds to figure out. What am I doing wrong that causes me not to hate this?

Apple and Google are upset that you're not cupping their balls, apparently. We're looking at the holiday season, and Microsoft just came out with new software and some cool hardware on which to run it. That's going to eat into the money Apple & Google expected for their software & hardware, and so we get this indirect marketing crap.

Apple & Google have forgotten one of the basic rules - you lengthen your own line. You don't keep trying to shorten the other guy's line - it's a losing prospect in the long run.


There are some guys out there who I think are rough on Win8 because they're on the take to do so. It wouldn't be the first time that's been a tactic for Google.

I've done 3D modeling (3ds Max), special effects work (AfterEffects), gaming (Skyrim), programming (Visual Studio 2012), and POSIX work (Cygwin) on Windows 8. It works just as well or better than Windows 7, which is, by most measurements, the best workstation OS ever made. I've pushed this thing to its limit several times. It won't break. If you can't figure out a few simple tricks with the new start screen, then it's on you.
 
2012-12-07 01:18:48 AM

FormlessOne: Old enough to know better: I've watched youtube videos of 8 in action and honestly I don't get all the hate. Doesn't seem that horrible.

Still not getting it of course. Not really enough of an improvement over 7 to justify the cost.

If you have 7 on an existing machine, keep 7 - if you're getting a new machine, get 8. That's really where the money is at present for them, as there's no pressing need to upgrade from 7. It's 7 with a few cool improvements (and a new UI that scares the old folks.)


This. My thoughts exactly.
 
2012-12-07 01:44:33 AM

Rent Party: I've only seen it on the Surface, but I'm confused. When it was folded up as a tablet, there were all these little boxes that did stuff, and I was like "Hey, that's a pretty good UI for a tablet." When I folded it down to the keyboard "laptop" style, one of the "little boxes that does stuff" took the UI back to good old familiar start button land and it looked like a laptop should.

All of that took me about 30 seconds to figure out. What am I doing wrong that causes me not to hate this?


If you're browsing Fark using IE in Metro and have a chat message from a buddy some other chat application, can you read the chat without leaving IE? Can you have a YouTube video playing off to the side while working on an Excel spreadsheet, while simultaneously keeping an eye on an FTP transfer?
 
2012-12-07 01:55:22 AM
My life is all about windows and tabs. When I asked the M$ guy how to get the Surface to go windowed he floundered and tried to weasel about it needing to have some background things closed.

My impression: It's just another tablet. And I'm not impressed with tablets. If you can't view two things at once so you can shuffle data around then it's just a web viewer with a games platform.

/Doing data entry into a spreadsheet using bits of data from a database return in a browser window
//And having to make judgements.
///Can't cut and paste that.
 
2012-12-07 01:56:53 AM
I still dont get all this foggy hate, foggy cuz not many people come out and claim they hate W8, but everyone kind of points to the next guy saying he hates it, then he just points to the next dude... anyways I have W8 for my main pc @ home, my other 3 pcs have W7, I like the interface and I can manage my way around it just fine. Is it that people are inherently derp so if theres a slight change everyone goes haywire?
 
2012-12-07 02:02:18 AM
Windows 8 isn't all that bad once you get used to it. It's a little weird, but you can tweak it to work on a desktop or laptop. On a Surface Pro, it should be awesome. The Start Screen is a bit of a hot mess because it is pretty much another computer OS running on top of Windows.

Windows RT on the other hand is an abomination. I've got a Surface RT for a project at work, and it is useless for anything outside of web browsing and Office docs, and even the web browsing is a bit sluggish and buggy, and it has all sorts of weirdness that results from it being a full version of Windows shoehorned into a tablet OS. Half of the internal storage is used up by the OS, so the GB Surface has only about as much usable space as a 16 GB iPad. What's the point of having a desktop UI and a trackpad on a tablet if you can't install desktop apps? What's the point of having an expandable memory slot if you have to dick around in Disk Management or even the command prompt just to get the Metro apps to see the card as part of the media libraries? If Sinofsky hadn't been such a dick with a bad case of not invented here syndrome, they could have easily adapted Windows Phone 8 into a great ARM tablet OS. Ditch the desktop completely for the ARM tablets, and make the Start Screen on Windows 8 compatible with Win Phone apps, and you would have had a lot better start for Win RT. Even the name is stupid because hardly anyone even knows what RT means. It's just a hot mess.

A friend of mine asked me if he should buy a Surface RT and I had to tell him to buy an iPad because I wanted him to remain my friend.
 
2012-12-07 02:08:39 AM
The Windows 8 hate is mildly annoying at this point. The media is trying extremely too hard to make it sound like Vista.
 
2012-12-07 02:15:48 AM
I went to a Windows 8 marketing event where they had dozens of different laptops you could play with. But since they hadn't labeled which laptops had touchscreens and which didn't, they all had fingerprints all over the screens.
 
2012-12-07 02:26:02 AM

wildcardjack: My life is all about windows and tabs. When I asked the M$ guy how to get the Surface to go windowed he floundered and tried to weasel about it needing to have some background things closed.

My impression: It's just another tablet. And I'm not impressed with tablets. If you can't view two things at once so you can shuffle data around then it's just a web viewer with a games platform.

/Doing data entry into a spreadsheet using bits of data from a database return in a browser window
//And having to make judgements.
///Can't cut and paste that.


You can drop down to the desktop on a Surface RT, and use Aero Snap to do the side by side thing for windowed apps. The big problems are that you 1) limited to Office, IE, and whatever else comes preinstalled on Windows and you can't add any new Desktop apps 2) you lose all of the Metro UI touch optimizations and are back into something not much better than the godawful Windows 7 touch experience, so it is really hard to do anything without the keyboard cover's crappy mousepad or an external mouse.

A Surface Pro, on the other hand, doesn't have issue #1 because it is not limited to Metro apps only. It still has issue #2, however, and if you want to truly use it as a tablet and not a hybrid you have to deal with the Metro apps in the Windows Store, which is not only a ghost town compared to iOS and Android stores, but the apps themselves are buggy and unfinished. One app I use a lot on other tablets is Comixology, and the Metro version I tried in Windows RT is slow and half the time will give you a black screen instead of displaying the pages properly and is sluggish as hell, while the same app on my Kindle Fire HD doesn't give me any issues and handles several gigabytes of comics with no slowdown (their $0.99 comic sales are hard to resist).

There's definitely some potential there, but the Surface RT just feels like an unfinished beta product. One other thing that drives me crazy is that the keyboard cover (which is actually pretty nice to type on) has a caps lock key. The Surface, however, gives no onscreen cue that the caps lock has been activated, unlike every other laptop in the world.
 
2012-12-07 02:27:15 AM
I don't have any shortcuts on my desktop. I dislike clutter. I use the task bar instead. Now Microsoft has come up with an OS that looks like this:
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In my opinion, this is very ugly.
 
2012-12-07 02:33:14 AM
And one last thing that drive me crazy. Out of the box Windows RT is set to put the tablet to sleep after an absurdly short time of not being used (I think it is something like a minute or two). Unlike Windows Phone, where this is easy to change in the lock screen settings, Windows RT doesn't let you tweak this commonly changed setting in the main Metro-ized settings screen. No, you have to go to the Desktop, and then dig into the power settings to change the sleep and screen dimming timers. A settings screen that gives you tiny little tapping targets on a 10.6" screen, so good luck trying to do it easily if you didn't buy the keyboard cover.
 
2012-12-07 02:36:47 AM

red5ish: I don't have any shortcuts on my desktop. I dislike clutter. I use the task bar instead. Now Microsoft has come up with an OS that looks like this:
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In my opinion, this is very ugly.


You can remove (far as I recall) whatever you don't like.

I keep about five icons on the W7 desktop and about five things on the taskbar, so I understand the clutter thing. And yet, I'm fine with W8. People who don't get that the Start Screen is just the Start Button exploded from a corner to a screen ... don't get stuff.
 
2012-12-07 02:38:37 AM
I haven't touched Windows 8, so it might be awesome. But it certainly LOOKS unappealing to me. And there's nothing it does that gets me excited to try it despite that.
 
2012-12-07 02:57:09 AM
My aunt tricked by Fry's tech support into buying Win8. (FU Fry's!) It took me few minutes to figure out how to restart the computer. It used to be 1 or 2 click away from restart. Now I need to go through so many steps just to do something that simple.
 
2012-12-07 03:13:05 AM

Flying Code Monkey: . People who don't get that the Start Screen is just the Start Button exploded from a corner to a screen ... don't get stuff.


I think that's the best way to put it.

Some people have built their own sense of identity on not liking new things. Change hurts them personally.
 
2012-12-07 03:15:00 AM

JosephFinn: If Back worked consistently, that might be true. But it doesn't: I Never Have Any Idea What The Back Button Will Do


I was asked why I didn't go with Android-based phone for my work phone and my answer was THIS. Consistant user experience is not androids strong suite.

/neither is stability but that's another topic for another fark thread
 
2012-12-07 03:43:14 AM

ISO15693: Flying Code Monkey: . People who don't get that the Start Screen is just the Start Button exploded from a corner to a screen ... don't get stuff.

I think that's the best way to put it.

Some people have built their own sense of identity on not liking new things. Change hurts them personally.


I'm still waiting to hear why I would want the start menu "exploded" over the entire screen, covering up everything while replacing my nice tidy list of shortcuts with giant tiles and advertisements. Stupidest thing they've done in a long time.
 
2012-12-07 04:46:31 AM
I've been using it for a few weeks and I am still trying to figure out how the hell anyone could have possibly thought this was a good idea. When they completely ruined the Xbox live UI I was somewhat annoyed. Now that they've applied the same idiotic scheme to windows I'm not entirely sure what to think. It's like they made a conscious decision to ignore many of the most basic principals of UI design. Windows 7 had a perfectly good interface. There was no need to destroy it like that.
 
2012-12-07 05:14:14 AM

Skyfrog: ISO15693: Flying Code Monkey: . People who don't get that the Start Screen is just the Start Button exploded from a corner to a screen ... don't get stuff.

I think that's the best way to put it.

Some people have built their own sense of identity on not liking new things. Change hurts them personally.

I'm still waiting to hear why I would want the start menu "exploded" over the entire screen, covering up everything while replacing my nice tidy list of shortcuts with giant tiles and advertisements. Stupidest thing they've done in a long time.


It's not just the start screen (it is very ugly however) it's the fact that you can only have one application on screen at a time. Why on earth would I want this 'Feature'?
 
2012-12-07 05:18:26 AM

cman: bbfreak: cman: JosephFinn: What is the best feature of iOS on the iPad? A permanent hardware Home button. It isn't as convenient as going "Back" on Android

If Back worked consistently, that might be true. But it doesn't: I Never Have Any Idea What The Back Button Will Do

Back button sucks hard.

Aint nothing else to say bout that

I have never had a problem with the back button and my phone is running Gingerbread.

The problem with the back button is that it has no uniformity. When you press the Home button on the iPad, you know what is going to happen. Pressing the back button is like rolling the dice taking a chance and 1/4th the time it doesnt go where you expect it to go


If only Android had a home button....
 
2012-12-07 05:21:16 AM

CujoQuarrel: It's not just the start screen (it is very ugly however) it's the fact that you can only have one application on screen at a time. Why on earth would I want this 'Feature'?


But it's just so intuitive to have to drop out of the primary UI into a secondary UI to multitask, duh!
 
2012-12-07 05:21:45 AM

pudding7: Rent Party: I've only seen it on the Surface, but I'm confused. When it was folded up as a tablet, there were all these little boxes that did stuff, and I was like "Hey, that's a pretty good UI for a tablet." When I folded it down to the keyboard "laptop" style, one of the "little boxes that does stuff" took the UI back to good old familiar start button land and it looked like a laptop should.

All of that took me about 30 seconds to figure out. What am I doing wrong that causes me not to hate this?

If you're browsing Fark using IE in Metro and have a chat message from a buddy some other chat application, can you read the chat without leaving IE? Can you have a YouTube video playing off to the side while working on an Excel spreadsheet, while simultaneously keeping an eye on an FTP transfer?


You can do it in desktop mode...just like in every other version of Windows. Metro mode not mandatory...
 
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