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(KPLC Lake Charles)   The guy who booted the ambulance in New Orleans last week has been fired. His defense? He didn't know what an ambulance was. No really, that's his defense   (kplctv.com) divider line 124
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2012-12-07 01:01:20 AM

Apik0r0s: Sid_6.7: Apik0r0s: There seems to be no ethics in the Arab world when it comes to business.

Hey, look, you're a piece of sh*t racist!


I can't help it if they act the way they do. And I can't help noticing it. I see what I see. I wonder more at the reason behind it than whether or not it's true. Does Arab/Muslim culture make it acceptable to do business like this?

After I moved to Atlanta, I noticed that the people in traffic every day who were trying to kill me were almost always young black women. A racist would simply dismiss them as stupid, but I kept wondering about it, knowing full well that young black women are just as intelligent as any other subset of humanity. I wondered about it for years and then a black woman co-worker said to another girl that she didn't even own a car until she was 25. And that seems to be my answer: that black women are less likely to begin driving at 15 or 16 and their skills therefore suffer. May explain some of the stereotypes about Asian drivers too, learning late.


Noting cultural differences is not necessarily racist. (attributing them to that race is what's racist.) Arabs are no more venal than any other businessmen; it's just likely that in most Middle Eastern nations, or the smaller towns and cities, the government is either unable or unwilling to crack down on businesses who act this way, unlike what we're used to in America. So when Arab merchants immigrate here, they naturally bring that expectation with them.

I suspect that ANY business that could get away with shaking down their customers would do so; it's just that most US convenience store owners know that they won't get away with it for more than a customer or two.
 
2012-12-07 01:22:22 AM

Arthurgoboom: Local flatbed tow: maybe $60 vs Boothole scam: $110 (i think it was). Take your car home and remove the boot with whatever tools you prefer. That leaves you $50 and 500 karma richer.


What would be interesting is if they boot the tow truck while trying to load your car. Most of the tow drivers I've met wouldn't take kindly to such actions.
 
2012-12-07 01:23:46 AM

Great Porn Dragon: Erm, excuse me whilst I call "Is there a friggin' herd of purebred Angus cattle in your store, because I can smell the bullshiat nearly a thousand miles away" on that claim that he didn't know what an ambulance was.

Folks in Mauritania know what an ambulance is (even if they are privately run). Folks in Dirkadirkastan and Upper Slobovia know what ambulances are. AMISH know what ambulances are. There are probably undiscovered indigenous nations in the depths of the highlands of Papua New Guinea who, despite being so isolated that they have never personally seen an ambulance, have at least heard of stories of strange wheeled boxes called "ambulances" (that make utterly obnoxious noises) from the folks in the village three day's travel across the pig trail who knew someone who saw one of the Noisy Wheeled Boxes Called Ambulances once in Port Moresby taking someone to this place called "hospital".

The only possible way his employees would NOT know what an ambulance was are the following situations:

a) Somehow he is hiring exclusively from a pool of feral children being raised by camels in the wilds of the Sahel, in which case the staff are commended for at least having learned how NOT to relieve themselves on the floor or spit at the customers.

b) Somehow he is hiring exclusively from a hitherto-undocumented and uncontacted tribe of particularly hermit-like Tuareg who have somehow been the sole people not to hit upon the major trade routes in the past thousand years or so, in which case they are to be commended for knowing that a camel is not normally used as an item of trade in Louisiana and for being quite possibly the last remaining band of Tuareg to convert from the pre-Abrahamic "Old Religion". (Perhaps they would be better served writing guides on the Old Ways catering to neopagans.)

c) Somehow he has obtained an exclusive contract with the Nouakchott Care-Home For The Mentally Stupid (motto: "When You're Too Goddamn Dumb To Be Classified As Mentally Retar ...


*tip of the hat* well written, sir, I laughed heartily at this reply!
 
2012-12-07 01:25:35 AM

Apik0r0s:
My Indian friends who run a store by me explained that they don't make money on anything they sell except lottery tickets. Gas breaks even, keeping fresh foodstuffs around actually costs them money. They make a very small amount on gas and alcohol. The lottery is the only thing they really profit on.


Too bad. If you can't afford to be in business, don't be in business. Don't sell expired food and extort customers. It's not goddamn rocket surgery. Choose a business plan with a better profit margin.
 
2012-12-07 01:26:33 AM
Maybe arab quicky mart owners are different where y'all live but I've never had a problem with them. There are criminals and scam artists in every culture.

I do agree that learning to drive late in life tends to make you more likely to be a crappy driver. Something like a third of folks around here are foreign born, and I'm sure many didn't drive in their home country. Combine that with an 10 minute, extremely lenient driving test, and being on the road is a serious hazard.

Being a small biz owner is hard, especially a job like that w/ late hours, asshole drunks, and a high risk of armed robbery. I feel for the immigrant mini mart/gas station owners.

However, I don't feel even a twinge of pity for the owner of the mini mart in the story. I hope they throw the book at him.
 
2012-12-07 01:26:49 AM

Snarfangel: In his defense, he always thought it was spelled ecnalubmA

Who knew?


I always thought ecnalubmA was a mountain town outside Seattle?
 
2012-12-07 01:29:06 AM

Morgellons: Snarfangel: In his defense, he always thought it was spelled ecnalubmA

Who knew?

I always thought ecnalubmA was a mountain town outside Seattle?


No no, it's in Wales.
 
2012-12-07 02:34:27 AM
Sure are a lot of angle grinder fetishists around here. For what those boot thingies cost (as low as $100) I'd bet they can only be mild steel. A cordless Sawzall with a carbide blade would probably rip thru that arm in about 15 seconds.

/ the right tool for the job
 
2012-12-07 02:53:05 AM
Saying that every (insert race/nationality) ( insert occupation or activity) that you've dealt with acts a certain way isn't racist, it's an observation. Now attributing that to ALL of those people or those people in that role is certainly racist.

Back in my college days I worked at a Hess station near the school for about a year. I can say without memorable exception, that African males over 30 (not African Americans, I mean dudes off plane in the last 10 years) were THE rudest customers I ever had, bar none. I don't think all African males are rude, but in my personal experience in that store it was practically a law of nature.
 
2012-12-07 02:56:39 AM

Sid_6.7: Apik0r0s: There seems to be no ethics in the Arab world when it comes to business.

Hey, look, you're a piece of sh*t racist!


At best he's bigoted.
There's a difference, Omar.
 
2012-12-07 04:28:27 AM
I think a real smart move would be to hang aroung that parking lot with a portable generator and an electric saw and charge people $25 to remove a boot from their car.
 
2012-12-07 05:04:34 AM

Patronick313: Saying that every (insert race/nationality) ( insert occupation or activity) that you've dealt with acts a certain way isn't racist, it's an observation. Now attributing that to ALL of those people or those people in that role is certainly racist.

Back in my college days I worked at a Hess station near the school for about a year. I can say without memorable exception, that African males over 30 (not African Americans, I mean dudes off plane in the last 10 years) were THE rudest customers I ever had, bar none. I don't think all African males are rude, but in my personal experience in that store it was practically a law of nature.


[shrug]

When I worked private security, I can say without reservation that the best security guards I had were invariably older African-American males (over 40). They were always on time, worked their shift without biatching and usually without sleeping on duty, and were where they were supposed to be when they were supposed to be there. Hispanic women were second best. Worst? Young black men across the board. Does that mean anything? Not at all.

In the same vein, in my court experience, I've found that middle-aged Middle Eastern men are always very polite and deferential to women in the courthouse. I've never been treated badly by an older Semitic male (Arab, Persian, Turkish) when mediating a case. Younger men are a different story: They are always assholes. Does that mean anything? Not at all.

The impression I'm getting is not that there are racial differences, there are AGE differences. Older people tend to be trustworthy, decent, etc., younger people tend to be lazy, assholish, etc. I could be wrong, of course.
 
2012-12-07 08:58:49 AM

Apik0r0s: We've got a bunch of convenience stores/ gas stations run by Arabs around here now. They seem to all be scumbags.


You are a racist.
 
2012-12-07 09:00:12 AM

RedVentrue: The Stealth Hippopotamus: Set fire to him, and set fire to the guy who hired him!

That would be the proper thing to do.
I almost bet if someone did a follow up story in 2-3 months the guy would be booting cars for the same company again. Maybe in a different parking lot.

 
2012-12-07 09:15:26 AM

Jamrock: As a Muslim, I can say that is Muslim culture, we strive to follow the example of the Prophet Muhammad (s). He was considered an exceedingly fair and trustworthy man in his time, a businessman but one of exemplary honesty. That's the bottom line.

I can't speak for Arab people (or Africans for that matter), because I'm not Arab, but they obviously have a reputation that we all know about. God help me if I sound racist, but it's not totally undeserved.

Maybe I shouldn't rant about this on Fark, but as an American, people from Muslim countries (and many others) tend to always want to bend the rules, get a sweetheart deal, and generally cut corners as much as possible to make life as easy and expense-free as possible. A lot of people from the so-called "third world" have no problem nickel-and-diming people and breaking basic rules or decorum such as double-parking people and jaywalking. Plenty of Americans will behave this way as well, of course.

On the other hand, some of the same people can be among the nicest and most honest you'll meet.

Like I said, in this guy's home country, which looks like a small government paradise, what ambulances they do have are often privately run and are not immune from the bribes and extortion rackets that probably tipify daily life there.


Excellent points and well said. I've learned something today.
 
2012-12-07 09:28:26 AM
Washington State outlawed the private use of the Boot several years ago. Lot owners and parking management companies were practically running toward you with the Boot before you could shut your engine off, and several towing companies had contracts with lot management companies that were booting cars at random in lots they didn't even have contracts with. The Towing company would then come in and tow your car, boot still in place, to a lot somewhere outside of the City and it would take days to find out where your car was. So you'd have to pay the towing fees, the boot removal fees and then still have to pay for the parking violation.

A friend of mine had his car disappear this way. He called the Police to report it stolen, and they told him he'd been towed for a parking violation even though he had paid for the spot. They wouldn't tell him which company had towed the car (claiming they didn't know), and wouldn't tell him where his car was. When his lawyer got involved, it took two weeks to find out where the car was being stored, and the SPD denied involvement altogether. The car was found in Burien, with a smashed passenger side window in a back lot of a towing company with several wrecked cars stuffed around it and it still had the Boot on the front wheel. I think the fees ended up around $1500.
 
2012-12-07 09:42:23 AM

lasercannon: I think a real smart move would be to hang aroung that parking lot with a portable generator and an electric saw and charge people $25 to remove a boot from their car.


Best idea in this tread.
 
2012-12-07 11:17:59 AM

Gyrfalcon: Patronick313: Saying that every (insert race/nationality) ( insert occupation or activity) that you've dealt with acts a certain way isn't racist, it's an observation. Now attributing that to ALL of those people or those people in that role is certainly racist.

Back in my college days I worked at a Hess station near the school for about a year. I can say without memorable exception, that African males over 30 (not African Americans, I mean dudes off plane in the last 10 years) were THE rudest customers I ever had, bar none. I don't think all African males are rude, but in my personal experience in that store it was practically a law of nature.

[shrug]

When I worked private security, I can say without reservation that the best security guards I had were invariably older African-American males (over 40). They were always on time, worked their shift without biatching and usually without sleeping on duty, and were where they were supposed to be when they were supposed to be there. Hispanic women were second best. Worst? Young black men across the board. Does that mean anything? Not at all.

In the same vein, in my court experience, I've found that middle-aged Middle Eastern men are always very polite and deferential to women in the courthouse. I've never been treated badly by an older Semitic male (Arab, Persian, Turkish) when mediating a case. Younger men are a different story: They are always assholes. Does that mean anything? Not at all.

The impression I'm getting is not that there are racial differences, there are AGE differences. Older people tend to be trustworthy, decent, etc., younger people tend to be lazy, assholish, etc. I could be wrong, of course.


Maybe I'm just cynical, but I get the feeling they've just learned to fake it better.
 
2012-12-07 11:23:04 AM
The solution seems simple enough. A tire hub with a protruding center post about 4 inches tall.

The boot is held off the rim by the post.

This leaves access to get a socket wrench in there, remove the lugnuts, remove the tire, remove the boot without damaging it, put tire back on, drive away.

,

Also can be constructed as a two-piece folding clamshell that clamps over the center hub post, covering the entire hub face. If booted, the clamshell can be removed behind the boot to expose lugnuts. Lather, rinse, repeat.
 
2012-12-07 12:36:51 PM

Fooby: The solution seems simple enough. A tire hub with a protruding center post about 4 inches tall.

The boot is held off the rim by the post.

This leaves access to get a socket wrench in there, remove the lugnuts, remove the tire, remove the boot without damaging it, put tire back on, drive away.

,

Also can be constructed as a two-piece folding clamshell that clamps over the center hub post, covering the entire hub face. If booted, the clamshell can be removed behind the boot to expose lugnuts. Lather, rinse, repeat.


I believe the real solution to this problem is "don't give this shiatty store your custom, their business folds like a shirt at a Korean laundromat".
 
2012-12-07 02:24:32 PM

BarkingUnicorn: ICE detained the guy after the local cops cited him. He was here on a tourist visa, not a work visa.

This would make a great Simpsons episode.


The scummy owner employed a guy with a tourist visa, why isn't he being arrested or cited?

We have all the rhetoric about keeping illegal immigrants out but never quite seem to rise to the point of making it unprofitable for business owners to employ them.
 
2012-12-07 03:11:22 PM

megarian: fusillade762: He saw the big flashing lights and thought it was the Emergency Doritos Delivery truck?

You need to patent this idea and sell it to Washington and Colorado.


Thank you, now no one in my office can understand why I'm over here laughing hysterically.
 
2012-12-07 06:02:29 PM

Jamrock: As a Muslim, I can say that is Muslim culture, we strive to follow the example of the Prophet Muhammad (s). He was considered an exceedingly fair and trustworthy man in his time, a businessman but one of exemplary honesty. That's the bottom line.


He was also farking pre-teen girls. Betcha they didn't teach you that at Boom-Boom School.
 
2012-12-07 09:40:21 PM

shda5582: He was also farking pre-teen girls. Betcha they didn't teach you that at Boom-Boom School.


You've never read the bible, have you?

Of course, you can apply modern day morality on a culture where the average life expectancy was to see old age at the ripe point of 20 years old, or you can ignore that the early Christians did the exact same thing.
 
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