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2012-12-06 02:36:47 PM
Eight reasons why the writer has never touched a woman.
 
2012-12-06 02:49:32 PM
Umm wasn't "First Class" a full reboot (besides the Wolverine cameo that was added strictly for laughs)?
 
2012-12-06 02:53:10 PM
And also: Plus, if Fox ever gets around to making that Deadpool movie with Ryan Reynolds, he's instantly going to be a continuity error unless the movie has his mouth sealed, blades coming out of his arms, and gives him the ability to fire Cyclops' optic blasts. Which would be terrible.

Ryan Reynolds already said they royally farked up Deadpool in that movie. He wants one done right: R-rated, gory as hell, and plenty of comedy.

/Writer must've really had a deadline coming up to put out this crappy list
 
2012-12-06 03:09:04 PM

scottydoesntknow: Umm wasn't "First Class" a full reboot (besides the Wolverine cameo that was added strictly for laughs)?


who says the same actor can't be wolverine in the new universe?
 
2012-12-06 03:10:54 PM

scottydoesntknow: Ryan Reynolds already said they royally farked up Deadpool in that movie. He wants one done right: R-rated, gory as hell, and plenty of comedy.


I'm stealing this from someone other farker, but I agree with it. A cool way to start it is to have Deadpool at the beginning of the Deadpool movie walk out of Wolverine complaining about how the studio didn't get his character right at all.
 
2012-12-06 03:11:06 PM

ManateeGag: scottydoesntknow: Umm wasn't "First Class" a full reboot (besides the Wolverine cameo that was added strictly for laughs)?

who says the same actor can't be wolverine in the new universe?


Absolutely no one. Jackman is the perfect Wolverine, but I do think that was a shout out to the previous movies.

/The Wolverine better not suck
//It probably will, but I really hope it doesn't
 
2012-12-06 03:14:48 PM

ManateeGag: scottydoesntknow: Ryan Reynolds already said they royally farked up Deadpool in that movie. He wants one done right: R-rated, gory as hell, and plenty of comedy.

I'm stealing this from someone other farker, but I agree with it. A cool way to start it is to have Deadpool at the beginning of the Deadpool movie walk out of Wolverine complaining about how the studio didn't get his character right at all.


I actually said that years ago when the Origins movie came out (not saying I was the first, but I did say it without reading it anywhere else). I was more thinking you see his silouette while watching the movie, and right at the point where they reveal Deadpool X, he gets up, screams "What's this shiat?!" and unloads with dual MP5s at the screen, ripping it to shreds. Then he turns to the camera and says "Now here is the REAL Deadpool story."

Or something like that. I do like that Ryan is very passionate about doing the project, and he would be the best fit for it. Only problem would be making him look butt-ugly from the full body cancer he's supposed to have (and the reason why he wears the full suit/mask).
 
2012-12-06 03:38:53 PM
/nerd on:

1: Professor X has been "cured" of his paralysis from time to time due to different contrivances. even though they weren't formally introduced in the series, you can just write it off as one of those instances.
2: I'm sure X-Fans and pull some bullshiat of their asses, but let's just chalk that up to an overzealous staffer writing the end credits.
3: Turning into a cat thing in Marvel proper was a "secondary mutation", so maybe going more human was something similar. or he simply could have "cured" himself to look more human. As for the human form in X-Men 1, that could have been a disguise of some sort (like Forge's holographic projection watches) to fit in with the normals, since at the beginning of X-Men 1, mutant existence wasn't as wide known.
4: I got nothin'
5: As stated, professor X only met Wolverine for 30 seconds when he was told to go fark himself. I don't remember everyone who ever told me to go fark myself either. as for sabertooth, I don't remember any indication that he doesn't know who Logan is (I haven't seen the movie in several years) IIRC, they seem to have a history together from the beginning of X-Men 1. Any, other than the face that they are played by different actors, why can't they look different. People get older, can change their hair color, bulk up, etc...
6: Wanda did it.
7: yes, professor X is kind of a dick.
8: This is just a nitpick. I only saw Wolverine in its entirety once, but did they ever expressly say it was Wade Wilson, or just call the mutant thing "Deadpool" if it was just the code name, get the fark over it.

:nerd off/
 
2012-12-06 03:42:10 PM
Yeah, it's all f*cked up.
 
2012-12-06 03:47:57 PM
And the young Mystique was later in that Hunger Games movie and never changed her form once! What is wrong with these people?!

/ok to critique continuity when it's intended
 
2012-12-06 04:05:53 PM

scottydoesntknow: Umm wasn't "First Class" a full reboot (besides the Wolverine cameo that was added strictly for laughs)?


It might have been, but now Days of Future Past will feature Mckellen and Stewart as Magneto and Prof. X while also featuring the First Class cast
 
2012-12-06 04:09:39 PM

scottydoesntknow: Umm wasn't "First Class" a full reboot (besides the Wolverine cameo that was added strictly for laughs)?


Yes, First Class was a reboot that has little to no ties to the continuity in the comics. Other than specific powers the main characters possess and Magneto growing up in a concentration camp, there are no similarities. Not even the combined powers of John Byrne & Chris Claremont could correct the continuity errors between First Class, Wolverine, and the 3 X-Men movies and nobody should even try.

/First Class was awesome and I'm a huge X-Men fan
//Darwin's not dead--it just took him a while to evolve enough to pull himself back together.
 
2012-12-06 04:17:25 PM

scottydoesntknow: I actually said that years ago when the Origins movie came out (not saying I was the first, but I did say it without reading it anywhere else). I was more thinking you see his silouette while watching the movie, and right at the point where they reveal Deadpool X, he gets up, screams "What's this shiat?!" and unloads with dual MP5s at the screen, ripping it to shreds. Then he turns to the camera and says "Now here is the REAL Deadpool story."


Yeah, any Deadpool movie would violate the 4 wall like a drunk girl on prom night.
 
2012-12-06 04:32:29 PM
If directors only made comic book/ adaptations aimed to please die hard comic book/sci fi fans, the movies would all suck and alienate general audiences.
 
2012-12-06 04:35:58 PM
I blame the Scarlet Witch for all of this.
 
2012-12-06 04:36:54 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Yeah, any Deadpool movie would violate the 4 wall like a drunk girl on prom night.


This. And I fully welcome and look forward to this.
 
2012-12-06 04:47:39 PM
Did the original three movies ever actually say what year they're supposed to take place in? Sure, their world was apparently technologically on par with the 2000s, but they also had freaking mutants running around making things better.

No point in nitpicking over age discrepancies. Characters in comic books never age, so why should they in comic book movies?
 
2012-12-06 04:50:37 PM

ManateeGag: scottydoesntknow: Ryan Reynolds already said they royally farked up Deadpool in that movie. He wants one done right: R-rated, gory as hell, and plenty of comedy.

I'm stealing this from someone other farker, but I agree with it. A cool way to start it is to have Deadpool at the beginning of the Deadpool movie walk out of Wolverine complaining about how the studio didn't get his character right at all.


See now that would be some funny shiat right there.
 
2012-12-06 04:56:15 PM

scottydoesntknow: Umm wasn't "First Class" a full reboot (besides the Wolverine cameo that was added strictly for laughs)?


No
 
2012-12-06 04:58:32 PM
In other news the Marvel universe has continuity
 
2012-12-06 05:05:34 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: scottydoesntknow: I actually said that years ago when the Origins movie came out (not saying I was the first, but I did say it without reading it anywhere else). I was more thinking you see his silouette while watching the movie, and right at the point where they reveal Deadpool X, he gets up, screams "What's this shiat?!" and unloads with dual MP5s at the screen, ripping it to shreds. Then he turns to the camera and says "Now here is the REAL Deadpool story."

Yeah, any Deadpool movie would violate the 4 wall like a drunk girl on prom night.


Wait.. drunk prom night girls have a history of violating 4 walls?
I'm so confuse 4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-12-06 05:07:11 PM
To be fair, they could make billions with a movie crossover between X Men and Doctor Who.
 
2012-12-06 05:13:50 PM

LazarusLong42: To be fair, they could make billions with a movie crossover between X Men and Doctor Who TNG.


Saves on casting costs.
 
2012-12-06 05:18:35 PM
As mentioned in the comments from the article, just pretend like Wolverine and X3 never happened. Then the continuity problems are mostly just glossed over.
 
2012-12-06 05:19:17 PM

justtray: As mentioned in the comments from the article, just pretend like Wolverine and X3 never happened. Then the continuity problems are mostly just glossed over.


It's what I do anyway.

/STILL pissed about how terribad X3 was.
 
2012-12-06 05:21:28 PM
Yeah, there may be some continuity issues with the movie series, but compared to the comic series it's nothing.

I mean, Jean Grey only died, like, twice in the movies.
 
2012-12-06 05:26:37 PM
Yes, it's all farked up, but I liked 3 of the 5 movies, so I don't care.
 
2012-12-06 05:27:47 PM
Shhhh, no one tell this guy about Batman.
 
2012-12-06 05:29:20 PM

Uchiha_Cycliste: The Stealth Hippopotamus: scottydoesntknow: I actually said that years ago when the Origins movie came out (not saying I was the first, but I did say it without reading it anywhere else). I was more thinking you see his silouette while watching the movie, and right at the point where they reveal Deadpool X, he gets up, screams "What's this shiat?!" and unloads with dual MP5s at the screen, ripping it to shreds. Then he turns to the camera and says "Now here is the REAL Deadpool story."

Yeah, any Deadpool movie would violate the 4 wall like a drunk girl on prom night.

Wait.. drunk prom night girls have a history of violating 4 walls?
I'm so confuse [4.bp.blogspot.com image 500x375]


a box has 4 walls if there is an opening on 2 sides
 
2012-12-06 05:36:07 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: scottydoesntknow: I actually said that years ago when the Origins movie came out (not saying I was the first, but I did say it without reading it anywhere else). I was more thinking you see his silouette while watching the movie, and right at the point where they reveal Deadpool X, he gets up, screams "What's this shiat?!" and unloads with dual MP5s at the screen, ripping it to shreds. Then he turns to the camera and says "Now here is the REAL Deadpool story."

Yeah, any Deadpool movie would violate the 4 wall like a drunk girl on prom night.


to be honest, you'd probably have to be high as a kite to follow the story.

however the movie would be complete suck without:

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2012-12-06 05:44:25 PM
Part of the reason that comic book movies suck balls 90% of the time is too much focus on establishing continuity or respecting the canon or origins. At this point, nobody gives a fark. Just make a nice, tight 90 minute piece of eye candy to distract people from their daily troubles with a wholly contained narrative with a 1st, 2nd and 3rd act inside the actual movie. Nobody needs 45 more minutes describing to me how Spideman, Wolverine or the Hulk came to be for the umpteenth gazillion time.
 
2012-12-06 05:52:01 PM

brigid_fitch: scottydoesntknow: Umm wasn't "First Class" a full reboot (besides the Wolverine cameo that was added strictly for laughs)?

Yes, First Class was a reboot that has little to no ties to the continuity in the comics. Other than specific powers the main characters possess and Magneto growing up in a concentration camp, there are no similarities. Not even the combined powers of John Byrne & Chris Claremont could correct the continuity errors between First Class, Wolverine, and the 3 X-Men movies and nobody should even try.

/First Class was awesome and I'm a huge X-Men fan
//Darwin's not dead--it just took him a while to evolve enough to pull himself back together.



What's the rule? Never let the facts get in the way of a good story...And I'm ok with that.

After the steaming piles that were wolverine and last stand...I actually enjoyed first class overall.
 
2012-12-06 06:05:41 PM

InmanRoshi: Nobody needs 45 more minutes describing to me how Spideman, Wolverine or the Hulk came to be for the umpteenth gazillion time.


With most superhero movies, the origins, coming to awareness of powers, acceptance of responsibility... that's usually the most interesting part of the movies to me. When it inevitably gets to the hero-in-costume vs. villain-in-costume arc, I start to lose interest.
 
2012-12-06 06:07:27 PM

scottydoesntknow: Ryan Reynolds already said they royally farked up Deadpool in that movie. He wants one done right: R-rated, gory as hell, and plenty of comedy.


Well, that would certainly be a first for Deadpool.

/He was invented by Rob Liefeld.
//Rob. Liefield.
///There shall never be anything but tears associated with that name 
////Byrne's She-Hulk did the whole 4th wall thing better anyway
 
2012-12-06 06:12:36 PM

ryarger: scottydoesntknow: Ryan Reynolds already said they royally farked up Deadpool in that movie. He wants one done right: R-rated, gory as hell, and plenty of comedy.

Well, that would certainly be a first for Deadpool.

/He was invented by Rob Liefeld.
//Rob. Liefield.
///There shall never be anything but tears associated with that name 
////Byrne's She-Hulk did the whole 4th wall thing better anyway


you know how i know you haven't actually read any of the current deadpool?

the last couple years he's been hilarious. the bit with the aliens cloning him...
 
2012-12-06 06:14:43 PM
My god, why does anyone care?

**** continuity and **** timelines
 
2012-12-06 06:19:23 PM

serial_crusher: No point in nitpicking over age discrepancies. Characters in comic books never age, so why should they in comic book movies?



Well, some mutants - because of how their powers work - don't really age much if at all. Prime examples of this are Wolverine (whose healing factor essentially makes him immortal) and Mystique (whose ability to change her body so much at will means she also has unusual recuperative powers and is extremely long-lived). Also, IIRC, mutants in general are supposed to tend to be a little healthier and longer lived than normal humans.

Of course, none of that really helps with some of the glaring inconsistencies TFA pointed out... such as with Moira! That's a huge one.

I think I agree with a couple other farkers that they should just pretend that Wolverine Origins (which had perfect casting all around, but a pile of shiat for a script) and X3 never happened. The most important thing is to make an entertaining movie.
 
2012-12-06 06:20:27 PM
How about THE Lord of Time? DC may be willing to loan him out.
media.comicvine.com
 
2012-12-06 06:24:50 PM

serial arseonist: Uchiha_Cycliste: The Stealth Hippopotamus: scottydoesntknow: I actually said that years ago when the Origins movie came out (not saying I was the first, but I did say it without reading it anywhere else). I was more thinking you see his silouette while watching the movie, and right at the point where they reveal Deadpool X, he gets up, screams "What's this shiat?!" and unloads with dual MP5s at the screen, ripping it to shreds. Then he turns to the camera and says "Now here is the REAL Deadpool story."

Yeah, any Deadpool movie would violate the 4 wall like a drunk girl on prom night.

Wait.. drunk prom night girls have a history of violating 4 walls?
I'm so confuse [4.bp.blogspot.com image 500x375]

a box has 4 walls if there is an opening on 2 sides


Kathy Dennis disapproves.

\bet this is obscure reference.
 
2012-12-06 06:27:54 PM

ManateeGag: /nerd on:

[SNIP]

4: I got nothin'

[SNIP]

:nerd off/


/Nerd back ON

As it happens, the whole "Which Beast this time?" think is the only quibble I have on this list.

Much like Professor X's paralysis, Hank McCoy has swung back and forth between semi-human and fuzzy blue
several times over the years. So, having him switch forms between movies could be justified (though, really, the
reason for the switch is that the makers just don't care).

/Personally, I prefer the blue furry sex-maniac version of the character myself, but I've never really been a fan of any of the X- comics. I've always been more a FF and Avengers guy.
//Give up on DEADPOOL, guys, I beg you; he only works in comics, and hangs too heavily on the Marvel continuity and fanservice for his humour.
///Nerd never goes off, baby.
 
2012-12-06 06:35:08 PM

ManateeGag: scottydoesntknow: Umm wasn't "First Class" a full reboot (besides the Wolverine cameo that was added strictly for laughs)?

who says the same actor can't be wolverine in the new universe?


I do.
 
2012-12-06 06:43:12 PM

ThisIsntMe: ManateeGag: scottydoesntknow: Umm wasn't "First Class" a full reboot (besides the Wolverine cameo that was added strictly for laughs)?

who says the same actor can't be wolverine in the new universe?

I do.


You must not like the new Bond movies then.
 
2012-12-06 06:43:45 PM
STILL 100x less screwed up than the X-Men comic book continuity.
 
2012-12-06 06:46:39 PM

Bondith: LazarusLong42: To be fair, they could make billions with a movie crossover between X Men and Doctor Who TNG.

Saves on casting costs.


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ManateeGag: scottydoesntknow: Ryan Reynolds already said they royally farked up Deadpool in that movie. He wants one done right: R-rated, gory as hell, and plenty of comedy.

I'm stealing this from someone other farker, but I agree with it. A cool way to start it is to have Deadpool at the beginning of the Deadpool movie walk out of Wolverine complaining about how the studio didn't get his character right at all.


I want a fight scene where he grabs a boom mic from onset and beats some other guy with it.
 
2012-12-06 06:46:45 PM

mongbiohazard: serial_crusher: No point in nitpicking over age discrepancies. Characters in comic books never age, so why should they in comic book movies?


Well, some mutants - because of how their powers work - don't really age much if at all. Prime examples of this are Wolverine (whose healing factor essentially makes him immortal) and Mystique (whose ability to change her body so much at will means she also has unusual recuperative powers and is extremely long-lived). Also, IIRC, mutants in general are supposed to tend to be a little healthier and longer lived than normal humans.


I meant the ones that don't have excuses for not aging, but still fail to. Cyclops was presumably in his 20s when he first appeared in the comic books in 1963, but he sure doesn't look 70+ years old these days. That seems a little excessive, even for somebody who is "a little healthier and longer-lived than normal humans".
I don't follow comics enough to have a good ready-to-go example of a long-lived human in the x-men universe, but Spider Man's Aunt May must be like 130 years old by now.
 
2012-12-06 06:53:56 PM

DjangoStonereaver: ManateeGag: /nerd on:

[SNIP]

4: I got nothin'

[SNIP]

:nerd off/

/Nerd back ON

As it happens, the whole "Which Beast this time?" think is the only quibble I have on this list.

Much like Professor X's paralysis, Hank McCoy has swung back and forth between semi-human and fuzzy blue
several times over the years. So, having him switch forms between movies could be justified (though, really, the
reason for the switch is that the makers just don't care).

/Personally, I prefer the blue furry sex-maniac version of the character myself, but I've never really been a fan of any of the X- comics. I've always been more a FF and Avengers guy.
//Give up on DEADPOOL, guys, I beg you; he only works in comics, and hangs too heavily on the Marvel continuity and fanservice for his humour.
///Nerd never goes off, baby.


Umm, Beast was 3rd, not 4th. that's the Smother...err Summers brothers.
 
2012-12-06 06:56:43 PM
Why would you care or want to? Pick the characters you need for the story you want to tell (and for that matter the version of them from the comics that suits your needs) frame it all properly within the context of the story you want to tell and make your damn movie.

They screwed up Marvel continuity of the X-men from movie 1 but I was fine with it because they got the characters right and told a reasonable, coherent story.
 
2012-12-06 07:03:56 PM

serial_crusher: Did the original three movies ever actually say what year they're supposed to take place in? Sure, their world was apparently technologically on par with the 2000s, but they also had freaking mutants running around making things better.

No point in nitpicking over age discrepancies. Characters in comic books never age, so why should they in comic book movies?


They did imply it, and it was early. I want to say 90's. Maybe I'll have to see them again.
 
2012-12-06 07:04:24 PM

Nexzus: Bondith: LazarusLong42: To be fair, they could make billions with a movie crossover between X Men and Doctor Who TNG.

Saves on casting costs.

[upload.wikimedia.org image 200x318]

ManateeGag: scottydoesntknow: Ryan Reynolds already said they royally farked up Deadpool in that movie. He wants one done right: R-rated, gory as hell, and plenty of comedy.

I'm stealing this from someone other farker, but I agree with it. A cool way to start it is to have Deadpool at the beginning of the Deadpool movie walk out of Wolverine complaining about how the studio didn't get his character right at all.

I want a fight scene where he grabs a boom mic from onset and beats some other guy with it.


now i want a documentary style deadpool film. complete with interviews cutting into scenes, etc.

'hawkeye. superhero, deadly marksman, small penis.'
 
2012-12-06 07:18:38 PM
They also farked up Lady Deathstrike
 
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