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2012-12-06 03:07:46 PM
No kidding, subby. The only pertinent question that remains, of course, is what their respective Fark handles are/were.
 
2012-12-06 03:19:37 PM

Apos: No kidding, subby. The only pertinent question that remains, of course, is what their respective Fark handles are/were.


I don't recall seeing any "HLMenken54" or "eweman" around here.

This is a really sad day down here. Letten has been spectacular, and it's sad to see him go out like this due to the extremely irresponsible behavior of two of his attorneys.
 
2012-12-06 04:07:40 PM

Nabb1: This is a really sad day down here. Letten has been spectacular, and it's sad to see him go out like this due to the extremely irresponsible behavior of two of his attorneys.


Add into the mix that the a-hole that engineered Letten's downfall is using this to try and escape embezzlement and corruption charges. And he gets petty revenge for getting passed over for Letten's job, presumably for being a corrupt a-hole.
 
2012-12-06 04:10:06 PM

Nabb1: This is a really sad day down here. Letten has been spectacular, and it's sad to see him go out like this due to the extremely irresponsible behavior of two of his attorneys.



So much this.  New Orleans needed and still needs Letten.
 
2012-12-06 04:40:40 PM

palladiate: Nabb1: This is a really sad day down here. Letten has been spectacular, and it's sad to see him go out like this due to the extremely irresponsible behavior of two of his attorneys.

Add into the mix that the a-hole that engineered Letten's downfall is using this to try and escape embezzlement and corruption charges. And he gets petty revenge for getting passed over for Letten's job, presumably for being a corrupt a-hole.


I know. The whole thing just makes me sick. There are more than a few law-talking-FARKers, but I'll be damned if anyone of us is moronic enough to start blathering on about cases we're involved in. What in the world were those two thinking?
 
2012-12-06 04:51:17 PM

palladiate: Nabb1: This is a really sad day down here. Letten has been spectacular, and it's sad to see him go out like this due to the extremely irresponsible behavior of two of his attorneys.

Add into the mix that the a-hole that engineered Letten's downfall is using this to try and escape embezzlement and corruption charges. And he gets petty revenge for getting passed over for Letten's job, presumably for being a corrupt a-hole.


I don't understand. Is Fred Heebe the a-hole? Was Heebe at one time a candidate for Letten's job? None of the coverage mentions that.

Or is the a-hole someone else that you are not naming?
 
2012-12-06 04:52:07 PM
I get it, the a-hole is Perricone?
 
2012-12-06 05:07:54 PM

4tehsnowflakes: Is Fred Heebe the a-hole? Was Heebe at one time a candidate for Letten's job? None of the coverage mentions that.


Yes, yes, and the linked article says that:

"Ironically, Heebe -- the architect of Letten's downfall -- had been a leading candidate for the U.S. Attorney post after George W. Bush was elected president in 2000. But his nomination foundered amid allegations of domestic abuse, and Letten, who had been the acting U.S. Attorney, ended up getting a presidential appointment. Years later, Heebe would become a target of the office."

Heebe initially raised the issue of disparaging posts about him on NOLA.com by someone using the name "HLMenken54," which turned out to be Perricone.
 
2012-12-06 05:39:02 PM

Nabb1:
Yes, yes, and the linked article says that:

"Ironically, Heebe -- the architect of Letten's downfall -- had been a leading candidate for the U.S. Attorney post after George W. Bush was elected president in 2000. But his nomination foundered amid allegations of domestic abuse, and Letten, who had been the acting U.S. Attorney, ended up getting a presidential appointment. Years later, Heebe would become a target of the office."


Yep, there it is in the last paragraph. It seems Letten is getting mostly good press even from sources that might be expected to celebrate the fall (if you can call it that, since there seems to be a much more lucrative job in his near future) of a top LEO. No one seems to think he knew about or was responsible for the improper posts.
 
2012-12-06 05:56:28 PM
He mad.
 
HBK
2012-12-06 05:59:52 PM
Jan Mann? That has to be an alias.
 
2012-12-06 06:01:40 PM
I hope this ultimately comes back around and bites those actually responsible in the ass.
 
2012-12-06 06:02:39 PM
So, did he have a GED in law?
 
2012-12-06 06:03:34 PM

HBK: Jan Mann? That has to be an alias.


Hugh Mann? Now that's a name I can trust.
 
2012-12-06 06:04:47 PM
Amid a metastasizing scandal in his office...

Dude - use the rest room next time.
 
2012-12-06 06:08:24 PM
I know someone who grew up with Letten. Speaking frankly, they said he is the real deal when it comes to fighting corruption. He said that he had the grades and the degree to easily become a very rich lawyer. But this was the career he wanted.

Personally, its politics. Letter angered a lot of the old guard in New Orleans and Landrieu was hoping to promote democratic up and comer. His resigning kept it from happening quietly.
 
2012-12-06 06:18:19 PM

4tehsnowflakes: Yep, there it is in the last paragraph. It seems Letten is getting mostly good press even from sources that might be expected to celebrate the fall (if you can call it that, since there seems to be a much more lucrative job in his near future) of a top LEO. No one seems to think he knew about or was responsible for the improper posts.


You'd be surprised. On the forum where this all went down, there's several posters who are enjoying this and arguing that Letten was as bad or worse than the guys he went after.

The way I understand it from NOLA.com and the local radio show, there was a raid on Heebe's offices that netted a ton of documents detailing bribes and kickbacks to officials and local media to push for closing down his business opponents. I don't think they ever released a full accounting of all the names but I'm sure there's enough toes that it's gone from tolerating him to actively pushing behind the scenes for his removal.
 
2012-12-06 06:20:53 PM
Is it just me or does this article do nothing to explain what this has to do with Letten?

So, lawyers underneath him were assholes online, he had nothing direct to do with it but it happened under his watch, and he's resigning?
 
2012-12-06 06:21:44 PM

Dafatone: Is it just me or does this article do nothing to explain what this has to do with Letten?

So, lawyers underneath him were assholes online, he had nothing direct to do with it but it happened under his watch, and he's resigning?


Obviously there's more going on here than meets the eye.
 
2012-12-06 06:23:00 PM
So why does he have to resign? Why can't they just fire the two lawyers?
 
2012-12-06 06:25:51 PM
admitting i know jack nor squat about any of this, i'm just trying to get my scorecards made out

Letten - US attorney
Perricone - worked for Letten, should have just surfed porn
Jan Mann - worked for Letten, should have just used that name to make porn.
Heebe - owns a landfill, target of Letten's office, and at one point a prospect for Letten's job

assuming i've got this right....erm....why the hell was a landfill owner a candidate for a US attorney's position in 2000?

if the answer is that Heebe is actually a lawyer, i'm afraid that's a hate crime.
 
2012-12-06 06:25:54 PM
Can anyone give me th cliff notes version of the scandal?
 
2012-12-06 06:28:09 PM

Dafatone: So, lawyers underneath him were assholes online, he had nothing direct to do with it but it happened under his watch, and he's resigning?


That's exactly it. I really really wish it was something more but there's been no other misconduct.

I think the nail in the coffin for him was when Mary Landrieu declined to comment regarding her support of his re-appointment. Vitter already faltered but he didn't stand a chance without Mary in his corner.
 
2012-12-06 06:36:14 PM

Mrbogey: Dafatone: So, lawyers underneath him were assholes online, he had nothing direct to do with it but it happened under his watch, and he's resigning?

That's exactly it. I really really wish it was something more but there's been no other misconduct.

I think the nail in the coffin for him was when Mary Landrieu declined to comment regarding her support of his re-appointment. Vitter already faltered but he didn't stand a chance without Mary in his corner.


Are these 4 year terms? Landrieu supported his re-appointment in 2008, it seems.
 
2012-12-06 06:37:25 PM

Nabb1: palladiate: Nabb1: This is a really sad day down here. Letten has been spectacular, and it's sad to see him go out like this due to the extremely irresponsible behavior of two of his attorneys.

Add into the mix that the a-hole that engineered Letten's downfall is using this to try and escape embezzlement and corruption charges. And he gets petty revenge for getting passed over for Letten's job, presumably for being a corrupt a-hole.

I know. The whole thing just makes me sick. There are more than a few law-talking-FARKers, but I'll be damned if anyone of us is moronic enough to start blathering on about cases we're involved in. What in the world were those two thinking?


Sounds like it's one of those "everybody invovled is an asshole and/or idiot" things.
 
2012-12-06 06:37:33 PM

Mrbogey: Dafatone: So, lawyers underneath him were assholes online, he had nothing direct to do with it but it happened under his watch, and he's resigning?

That's exactly it. I really really wish it was something more but there's been no other misconduct.

I think the nail in the coffin for him was when Mary Landrieu declined to comment regarding her support of his re-appointment. Vitter already faltered but he didn't stand a chance without Mary in his corner.


Agreed. This is all the DemocRat's fault, because she didn't say anything about it.
 
2012-12-06 06:39:52 PM

jigger: So why does he have to resign? Why can't they just fire the two lawyers?


Reading between the lines, it sounds like there is a possibility that Letten encouraged or ordered the commenting. The fact that two seperate employees were doing the same thing at the same time is not a coicidence, IMHO.
 
2012-12-06 06:42:21 PM

aselene: Agreed. This is all the DemocRat's fault, because she didn't say anything about it.


Ehhhh... I wouldn't say that. The fault for his firing can more accurately be laid at the friends of Letten's conquests. He pissed off a few Republicans too. It's just that those don't have the influence alone to get rid of him.

Dafatone: Are these 4 year terms? Landrieu supported his re-appointment in 2008, it seems.


USAG's serve at the discretion of the president usually with backing from the state senators. If an AG is highly recommended they get held over.

Nabb1: I know. The whole thing just makes me sick. There are more than a few law-talking-FARKers, but I'll be damned if anyone of us is moronic enough to start blathering on about cases we're involved in. What in the world were those two thinking?


Some times I'm so glad that ultimately I have no connection to politics or gov't so I can't get my hand smacked for my comments.
 
2012-12-06 06:43:50 PM

downstairs: Nabb1: This is a really sad day down here. Letten has been spectacular, and it's sad to see him go out like this due to the extremely irresponsible behavior of two of his attorneys.


So much this.  New Orleans needed and still needs Letten.


Jimmy Letten is one of the finest, most decent people I have ever known. Nothing was handed to him - anything he accomplished, anything he has, came through hard work and incredible intelligence. I read the headline and thought, Oh Christ. No way.
 
2012-12-06 06:47:32 PM
U.S. District Judge Hayden Head, meanwhile, who is overseeing the case of former Jefferson Parish President Aaron Broussard, expressed his annoyance with Letten for sending him a private letter disclosing that Mann was in fact "eweman." Head posted the letter in the case's online docket earlier this week after a phone conference with the attorneys involved.

Why would Letten do that? Seems sort of dumb. Also, the best login name we can get enshrined in an online docket is "eweman"? Weak.
 
2012-12-06 06:53:33 PM

jst3p: Can anyone give me th cliff notes version of the scandal?


obama sat back and watched as four people in the attorney's office posted snark on an internet forum
 
2012-12-06 07:06:03 PM

Nabb1: Apos: No kidding, subby. The only pertinent question that remains, of course, is what their respective Fark handles are/were.

I don't recall seeing any "HLMenken54" or "eweman" around here.

This is a really sad day down here. Letten has been spectacular, and it's sad to see him go out like this due to the extremely irresponsible behavior of two of his attorneys.


Can he run for State Attorney General or something?
 
2012-12-06 07:21:14 PM
Couldn't have happened to a nicer partisan attack dog.
 
2012-12-06 07:23:45 PM

Soup4Bonnie: U.S. District Judge Hayden Head, meanwhile, who is overseeing the case of former Jefferson Parish President Aaron Broussard, expressed his annoyance with Letten for sending him a private letter disclosing that Mann was in fact "eweman." Head posted the letter in the case's online docket earlier this week after a phone conference with the attorneys involved.

Why would Letten do that? Seems sort of dumb. Also, the best login name we can get enshrined in an online docket is "eweman"? Weak.


Back in 2007ish there was a lawsuit against some anonymous members of a law school forum by a girl who got no offers after graduation, and blamed them for some shiat they had posted about her. Thinking of them having to use the usernames in the docket, I was dying laughing.

I googled it just now and couldn't find much but this is what got me I think (haha just imagining the court saying "Let me lay it on the line he had two on the vine" or "Remember when I said I would kill you last i lied"):

To the defendants listed below, you are being sued in the United States District Court for the District of Connecticut. The defendants are the persons using the following pseudonyms on the website autoadmit.com or xoxohth.com: Pauliewalnuts; neoprag; STANFORDtroll; :D ; :D (Hillary v. Jeb'08); MoreDoughHi; Remember when I said I would kill you last? I lied; lkjhgf; yalelaw; Spanky; ylsdooder; Community Norm; HI; David Carr (Glass of water for Mr. Grainger); vincimus; Beach Body Brady; Cheese Eating Surrender Monkey; Todd Christopher; A horse walks into a bar (saving one CPGWBT at a time); The Ayatollah of Rock-n-Rollah; DRACULA; Sleazy Z; Whamo (Let me lay it on the line, he had two on the vine); Ari Gold; Ugly Women; playboytroll; Get_to_da_choppa; Dean_Harold_Koh.
 
2012-12-06 07:32:40 PM

Mrbogey: The fault for his firing can more accurately be laid at the friends of Letten's conquests.

So Letten resigned because of the underling internet postings about as much as Petraeus resigned because of the emails about his affair and the US diplomat in Libya died because of the internet publication of the anti-Islam video ... thanks for clearing that up Bogey. Maybe stuff people say on the Internet doesn't matter as much as we like to think.

 
2012-12-06 07:48:22 PM
So what you're saying is that internet is serious business?
 
2012-12-06 08:02:20 PM
Nola.com used to be my favorite site for troll watching. I always knew that it was a matter of time before people got into trouble (legally or career wise) because of the dumb trolltastic things they typed. People seem to have toned down now however.

I am gonna miss letten. He was great for Nola.
 
2012-12-06 08:07:35 PM

Apik0r0s: Couldn't have happened to a nicer partisan attack dog.


Bill Hubbard frowns upon your shenanigans.
 
2012-12-06 08:17:43 PM

heap: admitting i know jack nor squat about any of this, i'm just trying to get my scorecards made out

Letten - US attorney
Perricone - worked for Letten, should have just surfed porn
Jan Mann - worked for Letten, should have just used that name to make porn.
Heebe - owns a landfill, target of Letten's office, and at one point a prospect for Letten's job

assuming i've got this right....erm....why the hell was a landfill owner a candidate for a US attorney's position in 2000?

if the answer is that Heebe is actually a lawyer, i'm afraid that's a hate crime.


Landfill owner = knows where the bodies are buried. This time it's not a metaphor.

/And he was W's first choice...
 
2012-12-06 08:57:39 PM
Letten was one of the best and brightest in New Orleans.
 
2012-12-06 09:18:46 PM
He was overseeing a prosecutorial agency that worked surreptitiously and unlawfully to taint the jury pool in the area of the trials. He didn't do anything illegal himself, but it is quite evident that someone with stronger management skills and more emphasis on ethical conduct needs to be brought in.
 
2012-12-06 09:31:28 PM
the problem here is that they were behind only six proxies
 
2012-12-06 09:35:37 PM

sprawl15: jst3p: Can anyone give me th cliff notes version of the scandal?

obama sat back and watched as four people in the attorney's office posted snark on an internet forum


+1, would lol again
 
2012-12-06 10:34:03 PM

HBK: Jan Mann


This whole story gives me the Heebe jeebies.
 
2012-12-07 12:16:05 AM

4tehsnowflakes: Mrbogey: The fault for his firing can more accurately be laid at the friends of Letten's conquests.

So Letten resigned because of the underling internet postings about as much as Petraeus resigned because of the emails about his affair and the US diplomat in Libya died because of the internet publication of the anti-Islam video ... thanks for clearing that up Bogey. Maybe stuff people say on the Internet doesn't matter as much as we like to think.


Ok, I don't know much.more than the superficial details on this story...

But Patraeus had an affair w a journalist iirc who had been in a war zone w him. For good or bad adultery is still a Very Bad Thing if you're in the military (I can see the arguments on both sides but esp bc of the sacrifices wives and husbands make for their serving spouses I'm leaning toward support). More importantly, IMHO, is the same reason those Secret Service guys got nailed - if you're entrusted with extremely sensitive information about the safety of the POTUS or the country expecting you to keep it in your pants esp re foreign nationals or jpurnalists is not too much to ask.

From what I've seen.here a decent public servant had enemies who took him out as soon as they found a roundabout way to do so.
 
2012-12-07 02:18:03 AM

Dafatone: Is it just me or does this article do nothing to explain what this has to do with Letten?

So, lawyers underneath him were assholes online, he had nothing direct to do with it but it happened under his watch, and he's resigning?


That's about all it takes, sometimes. Probably a lot more people in the office will be going, when all this finishes shaking out.

Moral of this story: Don't go posting crap online from your office computer--and if you're the head of the office and you find out, you better summarily fire whoever you catch, no matter how much you like them or how good of employees they are.
 
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