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(News.com.au)   China flooded with record amount of cheap American made junk   (news.com.au ) divider line
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2012-12-06 12:35:34 PM  
I thought this was going to be an article about television shows.
 
2012-12-06 12:41:14 PM  
Throw in some lead and cadmium and we'll be on our way to balanced trade

/maybe a bit more melamine
 
2012-12-06 12:59:18 PM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: Throw in some lead and cadmium and we'll be on our way to balanced trade

/maybe a bit more melamine



I see you've already covered the basics. Well done.
 
2012-12-06 02:32:44 PM  
What's Chinese for "they took our JORBS!:
 
2012-12-06 02:57:25 PM  
Those were not Dodges.
 
2012-12-06 04:21:53 PM  
So, have you heard about the Chinese guy who needed to fix his car and ended up at the eye doctor?
 
2012-12-06 04:24:50 PM  
The cars GM sells in China are made in China.
 
2012-12-06 04:25:54 PM  
I saw nothing in there about "American-made", subby. All Buicks sold in China are made in China. As are basically all BMWs. They have a tariff rate on actually-imported cars over 100%. Kinda like the US had on most foreign goods for most of our history (they used to call that the American School of Economics, no less).
 
2012-12-06 04:27:04 PM  
While I don't deny that GM deserves as much derision as Fark can cook up, the cars they build in China are on a whole different level of quality than the ones built in the U.S. The Chinese love Buicks and they have to be very good to compete with BMWs and Mercedes sold there.
 
2012-12-06 04:37:42 PM  
The venture between GM and Chinese partners SAIC Motor and Wuling Motors aims to open the 400,000-vehicle-a-year plant in the southwestern metropolis of Chongqing in 2015.

OMIGOD GM is shifting all auto production to China!!
 
2012-12-06 04:47:09 PM  
Is paper still the biggest US export? It's shipped mostly to China and then shipped back to the US as boxes with things in them.
 
2012-12-06 04:48:16 PM  

StrikitRich: While I don't deny that GM deserves as much derision as Fark can cook up, the cars they build in China are on a whole different level of quality than the ones built in the U.S. The Chinese love Buicks and they have to be very good to compete with BMWs and Mercedes sold there.


I wonder if immigrants from China are disappointed with the quality of "US" built Buicks when they get here.
 
2012-12-06 04:57:09 PM  

Chevello: StrikitRich: While I don't deny that GM deserves as much derision as Fark can cook up, the cars they build in China are on a whole different level of quality than the ones built in the U.S. The Chinese love Buicks and they have to be very good to compete with BMWs and Mercedes sold there.

I wonder if immigrants from China are disappointed with the quality of "US" built Buicks when they get here.


Many models are identical. The number one car in China is the Buick Excelle. You know it as the Buick Verano.

cache.jalopnik.com
The Chinese Buick Regal is the US Buick Regal.

www.bloomberg.com
However, the premium Buick in China is a unique model. Behold the GL8.  Looks like an Odyssey ripoff.

The Chinese probably have a cultural aversion to Japanese cars. They're not getting better Buicks, unless better = minivan.
 
2012-12-06 05:03:31 PM  

highendmighty: So, have you heard about the Chinese guy who needed to fix his car and ended up at the eye doctor?


He shouldn't have been there. He kept telling them, "I no have cataract! I have Rincoln Continental!"
 
2012-12-06 05:19:37 PM  

StrikitRich: While I don't deny that GM deserves as much derision as Fark can cook up, the cars they build in China are on a whole different level of quality than the ones built in the U.S. The Chinese love Buicks and they have to be very good to compete with BMWs and Mercedes sold there.


The Chinese do like their Buicks, but there are a lot of other models that GM's Chinese division sells that are markedly shiattier. One of my cousins owns one, it's closer to a Geo Metro than a Buick.
 
2012-12-06 05:26:57 PM  
In GM's defense though I should add that even the shiattiest GM cars in China appeared quite good compared to some of the cars built by entirely-Chinese enterprises. Some of the cabs I have ridden in seem like they would fall apart if you gave it a good kick.
 
2012-12-06 07:04:24 PM  

Arkanaut: StrikitRich: While I don't deny that GM deserves as much derision as Fark can cook up, the cars they build in China are on a whole different level of quality than the ones built in the U.S. The Chinese love Buicks and they have to be very good to compete with BMWs and Mercedes sold there.

The Chinese do like their Buicks, but there are a lot of other models that GM's Chinese division sells that are markedly shiattier. One of my cousins owns one, it's closer to a Geo Metro than a Buick.


Cheaper parts. Middle income in China still buys less than it does in the States, even in cities.
 
2012-12-06 08:32:28 PM  

Shazam999: Is paper still the biggest US export? It's shipped mostly to China and then shipped back to the US as boxes with things in them.


Curiously, 'machines and engines" are the U. S.' biggest exports. Link
 
2012-12-06 08:40:13 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: Shazam999: Is paper still the biggest US export? It's shipped mostly to China and then shipped back to the US as boxes with things in them.

Curiously, 'machines and engines" are the U. S.' biggest exports. Link


Who do you think makes the machines and robots they put in factories that make our consumer shiat?
 
2012-12-06 08:43:38 PM  

Lawnchair: All Buicks sold in China are made in China.


I'd like to see a breakdown on where the parts are made. That can be just about anywhere. Assembly on reasonably priced cars has to be relatively close to the selling point because of all the wasted space inside and around the car.
 
2012-12-06 09:25:13 PM  

Rapmaster2000: Chevello: StrikitRich: While I don't deny that GM deserves as much derision as Fark can cook up, the cars they build in China are on a whole different level of quality than the ones built in the U.S. The Chinese love Buicks and they have to be very good to compete with BMWs and Mercedes sold there.

I wonder if immigrants from China are disappointed with the quality of "US" built Buicks when they get here.

Many models are identical. The number one car in China is the Buick Excelle. You know it as the Buick Verano.

[cache.jalopnik.com image 340x240]
The Chinese Buick Regal is the US Buick Regal.

[www.bloomberg.com image 640x427]
However, the premium Buick in China is a unique model. Behold the GL8.  Looks like an Odyssey ripoff.

The Chinese probably have a cultural aversion to Japanese cars. They're not getting better Buicks, unless better = minivan.


Buick Excelle in matte orange:

insidechina.onehotspots.com

insidechina.onehotspots.com
 
2012-12-06 09:26:57 PM  

12349876: Lawnchair: All Buicks sold in China are made in China.

I'd like to see a breakdown on where the parts are made. That can be just about anywhere. Assembly on reasonably priced cars has to be relatively close to the selling point because of all the wasted space inside and around the car.


Not really. Cars are very easy to load/unload (bunch of 18-year-olds to drive them off the Ro-Ro ship or railway wagon. Every Honda Fit in the US is made in Japan, my current Corolla was made in Japan, and they were both very cheap cars. We've got a whole supply chain devoted to moving $15k Kias or whatever around the globe.

The parts in Chinese Buicks are very likely almost all Chinese. A: because so many parts in a US-made Buick already are, and B: because, again, China follows heavy Hamiltonian protectionism (like we did for almost 200 years) and tariff the living hell out of almost anything manufactured. They've carved a few exceptions (Boeings for instance... China's middle class doesn't trust jets from state-owned-enterprises). They certainly keep lower tariffs on raw/near-raw-bulk materials and agricultural goods. But their main policy goal is maintaining employment for a billion working-age people. Most Americans don't get that that protectionism is perfectly allowable under "free trade" GATT/WTO. As long as it isn't discriminatory (i.e., a Japanese-built Honda faces the same extreme tariff that a US-built Buick does), that's allowed.
 
2012-12-06 09:48:17 PM  

WordsnCollision:
Buick Excelle in matte orange:

[insidechina.onehotspots.com image 458x347]

[insidechina.onehotspots.com image 458x365]


Oy vey. Buicks should not be in non-metallic colors.
 
2012-12-06 09:52:52 PM  

Lawnchair: I saw nothing in there about "American-made", subby. All Buicks sold in China are made in China.


And soon a good number of Buicks sold in the US will be made in China. As well as Chinese car brands. China is foolish enough to allow foreign companies to come in, sell its goods to the local market, and not demand jobs and knowledge transfer to domestic firms in return.
 
2012-12-06 10:36:52 PM  

Lawnchair: 12349876: Lawnchair: All Buicks sold in China are made in China.

I'd like to see a breakdown on where the parts are made. That can be just about anywhere. Assembly on reasonably priced cars has to be relatively close to the selling point because of all the wasted space inside and around the car.

Not really. Cars are very easy to load/unload (bunch of 18-year-olds to drive them off the Ro-Ro ship or railway wagon. Every Honda Fit in the US is made in Japan, my current Corolla was made in Japan, and they were both very cheap cars. We've got a whole supply chain devoted to moving $15k Kias or whatever around the globe.



foreign car companies are expanding operations in North America, but not due to supply chain issues, but due to currency valuations.

some, like BMW, view the USA as a cheaper alternative to their home markets for production. others, such as VW, have no intent on exporting cars from the US to their home markets. Toyota's US operations are a combination of both.
 
2012-12-06 11:59:35 PM  

BarkingUnicorn: Shazam999: Is paper still the biggest US export? It's shipped mostly to China and then shipped back to the US as boxes with things in them.

Curiously, 'machines and engines" are the U. S.' biggest exports. Link


I saw it in some PBS show about America. No idea if it was actually true.
 
2012-12-07 12:21:37 AM  
Perhaps a sign of things to come.

And if you screw up just this much, you'll be flying a cargo plane full of rubber dog shiat out of Siicon Valley!  
i1281.photobucket.com
 
2012-12-07 01:04:59 AM  

BarkingUnicorn: Shazam999: Is paper still the biggest US export? It's shipped mostly to China and then shipped back to the US as boxes with things in them.

Curiously, 'machines and engines" are the U. S.' biggest exports. Link


I was guessing Justin Bieber music videos.
 
2012-12-07 02:46:14 AM  

Shazam999: Is paper still the biggest US export? It's shipped mostly to China and then shipped back to the US as boxes with things in them.


No, aircraft, electrical generation, medical machinery, and miscellaneous machinery.

Also, US manufacturing exports still exceed US services exports, despite stories to the contrary.
 
2012-12-07 05:20:50 AM  

WordsnCollision:

Buick Excelle in matte orange:

[insidechina.onehotspots.com image 458x347]

[insidechina.onehotspots.com image 458x365]


That's a Opel/vauxhall Astra with a nose job so GM is just doing some badge engineering. Not a bad car overall, not as good as a golf or European focus but almost.
 
2012-12-07 09:32:23 AM  

WordsnCollision: Rapmaster2000: Chevello: StrikitRich: While I don't deny that GM deserves as much derision as Fark can cook up, the cars they build in China are on a whole different level of quality than the ones built in the U.S. The Chinese love Buicks and they have to be very good to compete with BMWs and Mercedes sold there.

I wonder if immigrants from China are disappointed with the quality of "US" built Buicks when they get here.

Many models are identical. The number one car in China is the Buick Excelle. You know it as the Buick Verano.

[cache.jalopnik.com image 340x240]
The Chinese Buick Regal is the US Buick Regal.

[www.bloomberg.com image 640x427]
However, the premium Buick in China is a unique model. Behold the GL8.  Looks like an Odyssey ripoff.

The Chinese probably have a cultural aversion to Japanese cars. They're not getting better Buicks, unless better = minivan.

Buick Excelle in matte orange:

[insidechina.onehotspots.com image 458x347]

[insidechina.onehotspots.com image 458x365]


I admire the effort and the wagon.
 
2012-12-07 10:34:42 AM  

Lawnchair: I saw nothing in there about "American-made", subby. All Buicks sold in China are made in China. As are basically all BMWs. They have a tariff rate on actually-imported cars over 100%. Kinda like the US had on most foreign goods for most of our history (they used to call that the American School of Economics, no less).


Most (maybe all) BMW SUVs are now made in South Carolina. Possibly not the ones sold in/to China, but the SC factory supplies most (maybe all) the rest of the world.

StrikitRich: While I don't deny that GM deserves as much derision as Fark can cook up, the cars they build in China are on a whole different level of quality than the ones built in the U.S. The Chinese love Buicks and they have to be very good to compete with BMWs and Mercedes sold there.


There might be something to that. The owner of the company I employ sent his son to China to get trained at our partner factory there. Apparently the Chinese injection molding processors are much better than the ones we have.
 
2012-12-07 10:51:29 AM  
I don't know about the rest of you but I this article is about an Italian car company selling cars in China.
 
2012-12-07 11:16:06 AM  

fc00.deviantart.net
RIP China

 
2012-12-07 11:17:05 AM  

david_gaithersburg: I don't know about the rest of you but I this article is about an Italian car company selling cars in China.


Um, no, if that were the case, the article would have mentioned Chlysler.
 
2012-12-07 12:06:25 PM  
Ah the Fark Hive mind, China Buicks are selling well, therefore they must be magic Buicks that are somehow inherently better than the Buicks here, despite in many cases being identical or virtually identical.

Post 2008 Buicks are pretty good cars, everywhere, that happen to be marketed exceptionally well in China.

GM has always done very well in China, the whole way through chap 11, China was a market that was always in the black. IIRC they outsell Ford by 3-1 there.
 
2012-12-08 05:36:28 AM  
If you are Chinese and really want a 2012 GMC Sierra 1500 PU I will sell you mine.
Make me an offer or just send me your sister.
 
2012-12-08 05:35:57 PM  
Why buy GM, when you can just buy a fake BMW X5

all-funny.info
 
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