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(Gallup)   In the latest attempt to overheat the Obvious tag into ionized plasma, Gallup releases a poll showing that the primary reason Americans give for opposing marriage equality is Religion   (gallup.com) divider line 213
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2012-12-06 11:56:03 AM
Huh. And here I thought they just don't like pink.
 
2012-12-06 11:56:19 AM
The number two and three answers look to boil down to "because".
 
2012-12-06 12:08:14 PM
"These two or three pages in the Bible say it's wrong. Of course, the Bible says a lot of other things are wrong but I just ignore those parts."
 
2012-12-06 12:13:22 PM
If you can't point to anything other than the book you pretend to read once a week, you have no point and should immediately go home and feel bad.
 
2012-12-06 12:18:03 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: If you can't point to anything other than the book you pretend to read once a week, you have no point and should immediately go home and feel bad.


You're giving them way too much credit for reading anything. They get told what to think at church, and by their religious friends.
 
2012-12-06 12:19:30 PM

St_Francis_P: The My Little Pony Killer: If you can't point to anything other than the book you pretend to read once a week, you have no point and should immediately go home and feel bad.

You're giving them way too much credit for reading anything. They get told what to think at church, and by their religious friends.


I didn't give them credit for reading it though. That's why I wrote "pretend to read."
 
2012-12-06 12:35:59 PM
F*ck religion
 
2012-12-06 12:48:37 PM

abb3w: The number two and three answers look to boil down to "because".


Or specifically, "because religion"
 
2012-12-06 12:51:26 PM
New Testament says nothing about it but preach's love and the Old Testament says kill them because they are abominations in the crazy chapter.

So, the compromise is don't recognize their marriage? Why not life imprisonment or castration if it so wrong?

Leviticus also says eating lobster is also an abomination and those people should be killed. New Testament once again quiet on the subject. Perhaps Government should not issue restaurant licenses to a place that sellslobsters. Or maybe cut off the hands off fish mongers who sell lobster? Unclear. Very complicated matter. We need to study it out and pray.
 
2012-12-06 01:10:17 PM

mrshowrules: New Testament says nothing about it but preach's love and the Old Testament says kill them because they are abominations in the crazy chapter.

So, the compromise is don't recognize their marriage? Why not life imprisonment or castration if it so wrong?

Leviticus also says eating lobster is also an abomination and those people should be killed. New Testament once again quiet on the subject. Perhaps Government should not issue restaurant licenses to a place that sellslobsters. Or maybe cut off the hands off fish mongers who sell lobster? Unclear. Very complicated matter. We need to study it out and pray.


It is confusing, but I think we can all agree on the subject of gay lobsters.
 
2012-12-06 01:12:21 PM

St_Francis_P: mrshowrules: New Testament says nothing about it but preach's love and the Old Testament says kill them because they are abominations in the crazy chapter.

So, the compromise is don't recognize their marriage? Why not life imprisonment or castration if it so wrong?

Leviticus also says eating lobster is also an abomination and those people should be killed. New Testament once again quiet on the subject. Perhaps Government should not issue restaurant licenses to a place that sellslobsters. Or maybe cut off the hands off fish mongers who sell lobster? Unclear. Very complicated matter. We need to study it out and pray.

It is confusing, but I think we can all agree on the subject of gay lobsters.


I would certainly agree that eating at Red Lobster is an abomination unto The Lord.
 
2012-12-06 01:13:27 PM
The word you are looking for is "excuse" subby not "reason."
 
2012-12-06 01:14:03 PM

jake_lex: St_Francis_P: mrshowrules: New Testament says nothing about it but preach's love and the Old Testament says kill them because they are abominations in the crazy chapter.

So, the compromise is don't recognize their marriage? Why not life imprisonment or castration if it so wrong?

Leviticus also says eating lobster is also an abomination and those people should be killed. New Testament once again quiet on the subject. Perhaps Government should not issue restaurant licenses to a place that sellslobsters. Or maybe cut off the hands off fish mongers who sell lobster? Unclear. Very complicated matter. We need to study it out and pray.

It is confusing, but I think we can all agree on the subject of gay lobsters.

I would certainly agree that eating at Red Lobster is an abomination unto The Lord.


One man's abomination is another man's cheddar biscuits.

/amen
 
2012-12-06 01:15:10 PM
I didn't realize the gays all practice the same religion.
 
2012-12-06 01:15:54 PM
I love that the second most popular "explanation" (marriage should be between a man and a woman) is a position, and not a reason.
 
2012-12-06 01:16:01 PM

Blues_X: "These two or three pages in the Bible say it's wrong. Of course, the Bible says a lot of other things are wrong but I just ignore those parts."


Stop oppressing us!!!!
 
2012-12-06 01:16:06 PM
Really? I had my money on "I need at least one free weekend during Wedding season."
 
2012-12-06 01:18:34 PM
The first 3 are rationalizations of "Because it's icky".
 
2012-12-06 01:19:27 PM
That's funny. My religion, based on the same book you cherry-picked one verse from, told me to treat others with respect and dignity, for I was also once a minority living among those who denied me my basic farking humanity.

Says it waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more times than "don't let men lay with men the way they lie with women" (which could also mean things like "don't let 2 men share a bed", "If two men fark, don't do it doggystyle", or even "you can fark like rabbits, but NO SLEEPING" depending on how pedantic you want to get).

// my book also says that I am to follow the laws of the country I live in
// and doesn't your book say something about the division between the secular and religious? Something something "unto Caesar what is his" something something?
 
2012-12-06 01:19:34 PM
The Bible also says women should submit to men and that they're not allowed to speak in church. Maybe we shouldn't take that book at face value.
 
2012-12-06 01:19:57 PM

St_Francis_P: Huh. And here I thought they just don't like pink rainbow.


ftfy
 
2012-12-06 01:20:02 PM
This is my shocked face. :|
 
2012-12-06 01:20:23 PM
Mass has been very entertaining the last few months. The priest has been undergoing a very public and very hilarious breakdown.

Before the elections, he told the congregation, "I urge everyone here to cast your vote in favor of traditional marriage." [Denial]

After the elections, he lamented, "My only consolation is that I can now legally smoke pot to ease my pain :(" [Depression]

Most recently, he begged, "Heavenly Father, we pray that our elected leaders understand that their power to rule is derived through you!" [Bargaining]

Only out of respect for Mrs. 404 do I not blurt out, "But child rape and the cover-up and protection of child-rapists is still ok, right Father!?"

/married into it
 
2012-12-06 01:22:27 PM

abb3w: The number two and three answers look to boil down to "because".


I think every reason except for "civil unions are sufficient" and maybe "undermines traditional family structure" boil down to "because." And the second one is only if you really think that kids raised by any set of guardians other than a mother and a father will inevitably end up worse than kids raised by a mother and a father.
 
2012-12-06 01:23:48 PM
The primary reason people give is religion. That actual reason is because they think it is icky.
 
2012-12-06 01:24:44 PM
This is a serious question that I've never had answered: why are civil unions not sufficient? I mean, isn't lega recognition what you/they are really looking for?
 
2012-12-06 01:25:13 PM
I guess they have to pick obvious poll subjects to rebuild their credibility after their spectacular failures during the election season.

Next up: "Majority of Americans believe water is wet."
 
2012-12-06 01:25:49 PM
I would have thought it was "Potato"

Mind you, the thought of some homo holding hands with another disgusting, effeminate fop completely devalues my Thursday Night Anal-Only Wife-Swap.
 
2012-12-06 01:26:08 PM
Religious people frown on divorce, but I don't think they would want divorce to be *illegal*.
 
2012-12-06 01:26:10 PM

urbangirl: This is a serious question that I've never had answered: why are civil unions not sufficient? I mean, isn't lega recognition what you/they are really looking for?


Marriage carries legal rights and obligations that civil unions don't. It's more than just semantics.
 
2012-12-06 01:26:10 PM

urbangirl: This is a serious question that I've never had answered: why are civil unions not sufficient? I mean, isn't lega recognition what you/they are really looking for?


Black people should be satisifed with separate but equal schools. - Plessy v. Ferguson.
 
2012-12-06 01:26:12 PM
Old Testament:

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New Testament:

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2012-12-06 01:26:15 PM
Because...ewwwwwwwwwww!

/unless they're lesbians
//lipstick lesbians, not those dykish butch ones
 
2012-12-06 01:26:28 PM
I think a smaller proportion of people actually believe that gay marriage is wrong because the bible says it's wrong. There are a lot of people who think they can immunize themselves from criticism if they just hide behind the bible. When your friend asks you why you oppose his marriage, it's so much easier to say "it's not me, blame god" than it is to come right out and say "I think you're gross."
 
2012-12-06 01:26:43 PM
And these same true believers don't say a damn thing when their Sabbath is regularly violated. Of course these pious phonies are ofter violating it themselves as often as not.
 
2012-12-06 01:27:21 PM
www.dailyspark.com

"You got your religion in my sex life!"
 
2012-12-06 01:28:24 PM
Well duh. I have yet to hear of an argument against same sex marriage that doesn't boil down to religion.
 
2012-12-06 01:28:54 PM

Dr Dreidel: That's funny. My religion, based on the same book you cherry-picked one verse from, told me to treat others with respect and dignity, for I was also once a minority living among those who denied me my basic farking humanity.

Says it waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more times than "don't let men lay with men the way they lie with women" (which could also mean things like "don't let 2 men share a bed", "If two men fark, don't do it doggystyle", or even "you can fark like rabbits, but NO SLEEPING" depending on how pedantic you want to get).

// my book also says that I am to follow the laws of the country I live in
// and doesn't your book say something about the division between the secular and religious? Something something "unto Caesar what is his" something something?


My favorite thing about Judaism (except for the Latkes) is that it makes it quite clear that there is a law of man and a law of g-d. The second one is between you and your creator and involves no one else, whereas the first defines how you treat other people and their rights. It makes it rather clear you have no right to abridge the laws of man just because of your private belief in the law of g-d.

Hope that makes sense. Still haven't had coffee today.
 
2012-12-06 01:29:49 PM

Carth: The primary reason people give is religion. That actual reason is because they think it is icky.


I think Miracle Whip is icky. Would I vote to ban it? Yes. But, I'd be wrong.
 
2012-12-06 01:29:54 PM
We should all support gay marriage. We must equally share in our suffering.

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Bel Air. I got in one little fight.
 
2012-12-06 01:30:49 PM

Blues_X: "These two or three pages in the Bible say it's wrong. Of course, the Bible says a lot of other things are wrong but I just ignore those parts."


Well, how else was Constantine going to break worship involving gay sex to promote fertality, military success, and promoting camaraderie between legionnaires following other religions if he didn't push these verses when he converted the Empire to Christianity?

It was a very serious issue for 5th century Roman politics.
 
2012-12-06 01:31:17 PM

Nuuu: I think a smaller proportion of people actually believe that gay marriage is wrong because the bible says it's wrong. There are a lot of people who think they can immunize themselves from criticism if they just hide behind the bible. When your friend asks you why you oppose his marriage, it's so much easier to say "it's not me, blame god" than it is to come right out and say "I think you're gross."


This is also why I am against fat marriage.

Of course I don't think we shoudl legislate based on what I think is gross...
 
2012-12-06 01:31:19 PM

404 page not found: Mass has been very entertaining the last few months. The priest has been undergoing a very public and very hilarious breakdown.

Before the elections, he told the congregation, "I urge everyone here to cast your vote in favor of traditional marriage." [Denial]

After the elections, he lamented, "My only consolation is that I can now legally smoke pot to ease my pain :(" [Depression]

Most recently, he begged, "Heavenly Father, we pray that our elected leaders understand that their power to rule is derived through you!" [Bargaining]

Only out of respect for Mrs. 404 do I not blurt out, "But child rape and the cover-up and protection of child-rapists is still ok, right Father!?"

/married into it


Just out of curiosity, does your priest think other religions should not get married? Does he think other religions or people with no religion don't exist? I'm completely baffled by people using their own religion as a reason when someone else, who may not practice that religion should somehow have to adhere to their rules.
 
2012-12-06 01:31:33 PM

Diogenes: urbangirl: This is a serious question that I've never had answered: why are civil unions not sufficient? I mean, isn't lega recognition what you/they are really looking for?

Marriage carries legal rights and obligations that civil unions don't. It's more than just semantics.


To be fair, we COULD modify all the laws about civil unions to mirror the rights granted in marriage, but I doubt that would ever happen. Then it would just be about the religious aspect of the union, which frankly I don't care about and belongs to each person privately. That's one of my big issues, that gay people in civil unions are cut off from lots of legal redress rights just because of who they marry. It's infuriating and unjust.
 
2012-12-06 01:32:02 PM
Well, the good news for equality folks is that organized religion is a slowly dying institution amongst the youngest generations.
 
2012-12-06 01:32:48 PM

urbangirl: This is a serious question that I've never had answered: why are civil unions not sufficient? I mean, isn't lega recognition what you/they are really looking for?


No, equal rights is what they are looking for. Having a spouse and being married is a societal construct that people generally understand means something. Civil unions are literally an attempt to say that a same sex relationship is somehow less than a straight one.
 
2012-12-06 01:33:10 PM

Carth: The primary reason people give is religion. That actual reason is because they think it is icky frustratingly attractive.


/Fixed for the cynical among us.
 
2012-12-06 01:33:49 PM

404 page not found: Only out of respect for Mrs. 404 do I not blurt out, "But child rape and the cover-up and protection of child-rapists is still ok, right Father!?"

 

GO YELL IT FROM THE MOUNTAIN TOP DUDE
 
2012-12-06 01:33:49 PM

rtaylor92: 404 page not found: Mass has been very entertaining the last few months. The priest has been undergoing a very public and very hilarious breakdown.

Before the elections, he told the congregation, "I urge everyone here to cast your vote in favor of traditional marriage." [Denial]

After the elections, he lamented, "My only consolation is that I can now legally smoke pot to ease my pain :(" [Depression]

Most recently, he begged, "Heavenly Father, we pray that our elected leaders understand that their power to rule is derived through you!" [Bargaining]

Only out of respect for Mrs. 404 do I not blurt out, "But child rape and the cover-up and protection of child-rapists is still ok, right Father!?"

/married into it

Just out of curiosity, does your priest think other religions should not get married? Does he think other religions or people with no religion don't exist? I'm completely baffled by people using their own religion as a reason when someone else, who may not practice that religion should somehow have to adhere to their rules.


I have no idea what that moran thinks about any of that. But I can safely assume he's like Bill Kristol; whatever it is he thinks, the opposite is most likely true.
 
2012-12-06 01:34:22 PM
Jesus looks pretty toned on the crucifix. I'd gay marry him.
 
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