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(Newser)   Jerry Sandusky worked hard for his pension, and he doesn't think he should lose it over a few dozen pesky rape convictions   (newser.com) divider line 50
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2012-12-06 12:20:20 PM  
8 votes:
So long as Sandusky lives, his pension should be paid... and equally divided amongst his victims.
2012-12-06 12:21:05 PM  
7 votes:
He might have a case. I like that the law is expected to be free of passion. If he's shown to be entitled to it, loathesome though he may be, keeping it is a positive sign that our system works the way it's supposed to.

When the most detestable people can have their rights, civil and commercial, and their agreements, public and private successfully defended, that means you and I can, too.
2012-12-06 11:19:47 AM  
5 votes:
What does the contract say? If there isn't a clause that causes him to forfeit it on account of felony convictions, or something in the law to that effect, then I suppose he is entitled to it. Since he's a ward of the state, I assume the state has procedures for this sort of thing: they can hold the money in trust for the duration of his imprisonment, and then hand it over to him upon his release.
2012-12-06 12:22:44 PM  
4 votes:
On the surface I'd say he has a pretty strong case here. I don't see how they can say he is subject to the 2004 rules because he was a "defacto" employee. You are employed or you aren't. Doesn't matter if you have locker room keys or not.

Looking at the big picture, it would seem to me better to let him have his pension. His estate is going to be financially exhausted either way as the civil suits continue. He will NEVER be able to repay the total financial loss he will be accountable for, at least letting his pension flow in means a few more (accountable and auditable) dollars which can be distributed to the victims as the judgements roll in.
2012-12-06 12:21:03 PM  
3 votes:

Millennium: What does the contract say? If there isn't a clause that causes him to forfeit it on account of felony convictions, or something in the law to that effect, then I suppose he is entitled to it. Since he's a ward of the state, I assume the state has procedures for this sort of thing: they can hold the money in trust for the duration of his imprisonment, and then hand it over to him upon his release.


Presuming for a moment that this is a simple matter of contract law, there's really no "suppose" about it. Courts will interpret contracts on their face; if the contract doesn't speak to grounds for forfeiture, then essentially there are none. If it does speak to forfeiture, and "conviction of a felony" isn't among the grounds, then Sandusky gets his pension. However, I practice law in Texas, not Pennsylvania, so I don't know how their law may affect this.

Oh, and Sandusky should be locked into an outhouse and set on fire.
2012-12-06 02:57:14 PM  
2 votes:
His wife certainly doesn't deserve losing the pension benefits he earned.

The man is a piece of shiat, but that doesn't entitle the State to confiscate his property, especially when half of that property belongs to someone that hasn't been convicted or charged with any crime.
2012-12-06 02:08:32 PM  
2 votes:

Mock26: v2micca: Mock26: v2micca: lordjupiter: Warlordtrooper: Alright folks. The other day you talked about rape culture if you want to see what rape culture is just watch how many people cheer for sandusky to be raped


So wishing poetic justice on a CONVICTED RAPIST PEDO is the same as saying "she was asking for it"? Mmmm nah. Nice troll attempt, though.



Actually it kind of is. In both cases you are arguing that rape is a suitable and just punishment for an individual's misconduct, perceived or actual. Magnitude of the misconduct has no bearing. Rape should never be condoned as a valid punishment.

No, it should not. But when a convicted rapist goes to jail and gets raped by some of his fellow criminals, well, that is just hilarious!

I actually find it to be a sad indictment of our entire Penal system that institutionalization caries with it the implicit sentencing to repeat forced sodomy. Then, as a public, instead of reacting to this knowledge with horror, we trivialize or justify it. Third world nationals fear our prisons. That is not a point of pride or humor.

You do, of course, have citations to support your claim that third world nationals fear our prisons, right?

As for what happens to rapists and murderers and child molesters and other such scum, it is in fact a point of pride and a point of humor. Just sentencing them to jail is too lenient, and if there is a little bit of extra justice dished out by their fellow inmates, good for them.


You are aware of the Eighth Amendment, right? As others in this thread have noted, we have a justice system, not a revenge system. Mob mentality provides no relief for the victims and turns otherwise civil men into brutes.
2012-12-06 01:43:31 PM  
2 votes:

Mock26: v2micca: lordjupiter: Warlordtrooper: Alright folks. The other day you talked about rape culture if you want to see what rape culture is just watch how many people cheer for sandusky to be raped


So wishing poetic justice on a CONVICTED RAPIST PEDO is the same as saying "she was asking for it"? Mmmm nah. Nice troll attempt, though.



Actually it kind of is. In both cases you are arguing that rape is a suitable and just punishment for an individual's misconduct, perceived or actual. Magnitude of the misconduct has no bearing. Rape should never be condoned as a valid punishment.

No, it should not. But when a convicted rapist goes to jail and gets raped by some of his fellow criminals, well, that is just hilarious!


I actually find it to be a sad indictment of our entire Penal system that institutionalization caries with it the implicit sentencing to repeat forced sodomy. Then, as a public, instead of reacting to this knowledge with horror, we trivialize or justify it. Third world nationals fear our prisons. That is not a point of pride or humor.
2012-12-06 01:31:57 PM  
2 votes:

lordjupiter: Warlordtrooper: Alright folks. The other day you talked about rape culture if you want to see what rape culture is just watch how many people cheer for sandusky to be raped


So wishing poetic justice on a CONVICTED RAPIST PEDO is the same as saying "she was asking for it"? Mmmm nah. Nice troll attempt, though.



Actually it kind of is. In both cases you are arguing that rape is a suitable and just punishment for an individual's misconduct, perceived or actual. Magnitude of the misconduct has no bearing. Rape should never be condoned as a valid punishment.
2012-12-06 12:51:34 PM  
2 votes:

david_gaithersburg: If only he held a degree in puppetry, then he would be Fark acceptable.


Just stop for two seconds and think about how you're defending a child rapist. Do you really think you have the high ground?
2012-12-06 12:25:51 PM  
2 votes:

david_gaithersburg: If only he held a degree in puppetry, then he would be Fark acceptable.


Yeah, chatting with gay teens who have consented to talking to you, then meeting up with them for sex, is exactly the same as using physical force to have sex with 10-year-olds.

/I think Kevin Clash should be investigated and, if found guilty, prosecuted
//still not the same
///not even close
2012-12-06 12:23:59 PM  
2 votes:

Private_Citizen: So long as Sandusky lives, his pension should be paid... and equally divided amongst his victims.


Exactly. He's never seeing a penny of that pension. His victims will be getting it all and then some.
2012-12-06 12:15:35 PM  
2 votes:

The My Little Pony Killer: Can they let him into the general population so that he can be killed now, or are we waiting until Christmas for that?


Heh came in to ask that too. I'm kinda disappointed in our prison justice system.

Anyway I hope they find a way to make him lose it. His creepy, sith-lord wife doesn't deserve a penny.
2012-12-06 07:56:13 PM  
1 votes:
Funny how no funny colors in this thread tip me off to supporters of the asshole when the story broke.
Funny.

May he rot in the everlasting fires of what ever they have in PA that is hotter than a coal bin in Centraiia.

And keep on cheering for the pedo team, PSU freaks. None on yo demanded justice. You all milled about with your candles and ribbons, and shouted "WE ARE..." and kept on chugging beers and tossing cheerleaders out of windows and jacking off to your home team like it was the second coming or what not.
Ejaculating your vociferous "WE WON!!!" when you did nothing. You sat on sofas, wiping your Cheetoed hands on your crotches while memorizing statistics spoon fed to you by sponsors.
You aren't posting in this thread. You are lurking. Like a greasy old man in a van circling the school block trolling for kids.

Jerry will die in prison.
Penn State will never recover.
It will always be associated with child butt rape, just as the Catholic church is.
2012-12-06 04:59:50 PM  
1 votes:

tnpir: Millennium: What does the contract say? If there isn't a clause that causes him to forfeit it on account of felony convictions, or something in the law to that effect, then I suppose he is entitled to it. Since he's a ward of the state, I assume the state has procedures for this sort of thing: they can hold the money in trust for the duration of his imprisonment, and then hand it over to him upon his release.

Presuming for a moment that this is a simple matter of contract law, there's really no "suppose" about it. Courts will interpret contracts on their face; if the contract doesn't speak to grounds for forfeiture, then essentially there are none. If it does speak to forfeiture, and "conviction of a felony" isn't among the grounds, then Sandusky gets his pension. However, I practice law in Texas, not Pennsylvania, so I don't know how their law may affect this.

Oh, and Sandusky should be locked into an outhouse and set on fire.


While its rolling down a hill, don't forget that part.
2012-12-06 04:23:38 PM  
1 votes:

Alassra: If the money is his, then it should go to RAINN or divided equally to victims.

If the money isn't his, then it should go back into the pot for the general good.

I appreciate he "worked" for his pension - but I'm just not okay with this...


I hate that i have to actually say this... but no.

Let's be clear here, you know that saying that if we don't stand up for the rights of the worst among us, then we have no right to call ourselves a nation of laws.

Well this is the test of that .

If his contract does not have a clause in it to cover his misconduct... then I'm not okay with anyone taking anything away from him.

As much a piece of human offal as he is... as worthy of being shot in the head as he is... I cannot abide the idea that we can just ignore the law and take everything away from someone on a whim and without legal right.

Where does it stop if we do? Do we strip any criminal of his rights and property on a whim? What if we later find out he's innocent, who do we go after to make him whole again? What about the damages done to him or her in the meantime?

No, as much as it pains me, if he "earned" his pension and is legally entitled to it... we the public have no right whatsoever to ignore the law and just take from him. The school made millions... if he negotiated for a piece of that and they didn't think to provide some protection for themselves to allow them an out... they need to pay him... as distasteful and disgusting as it is. That's what contracts are for.
2012-12-06 03:15:16 PM  
1 votes:
If they do give him the pension back, they should first bill it for the legal fees he made the university spend.
2012-12-06 03:13:46 PM  
1 votes:

Private_Citizen: So long as Sandusky lives, his pension should be paid... and equally divided amongst his victims.


+1

Came here to say this.
2012-12-06 03:12:48 PM  
1 votes:

Random Anonymous Blackmail: The My Little Pony Killer

Can they let him into the general population so that he can be killed now, or are we waiting until Christmas for that?

12 days of anal rape on pay per view or the holiday season.


On the first day in gen. pop. my cellmate gave to me...rape
2012-12-06 03:12:45 PM  
1 votes:

JohnBigBootay: If there was no legal way on the books stipulating he'd lose his pension then he keeps his pension. But as a personal asset for the civil suits I would imagine it's fair game, no? No matter how you slice it up he's gonna die alone in an orange jumpsuit, likely soon and likely poor. That's enough for me as I admit I have completely lost interest in this case. The dude who raped kids is in jail and he'll never get out. I knew none of the vics personally so I'm sort of done with it.


In general, as long as his assets are still in the pension plan (or any qualified retirement plan), they aren't touchable (google anti-assignment ERISA) as the money is technically still in the plan's hands and is protected, regardless of what acts he may have committed (unless it was due to dishonesty regarding plan assets). However, once he starts drawing on that pension, they become his assets as it's paid out and it's free game for civil suits. 

Funny thing about retirement plans, you could go out and kill a few people and the families couldn't touch your 401k...until you took the money out.
2012-12-06 03:10:12 PM  
1 votes:
I want the bastard to have the finest healthcare imaginable. And by that, I mean I want him to have access to the very best hospital in the world, be at the top of every possible transplant list, and have absurdly well-trained doctors on call 24/7. I want every possible life-saving procedure done on the sick farker. 30 years from now, I want him in the same cell, begging to die, and someone looking down at him saying "No".

That's kind of a big drain on tax payer money, but that IS what he deserves. Keep him locked in solitary where the only human contact he gets is when the guard shoves his food through a slot in the door. Killing him would just shorten the time he suffers, and he might just like prison rape.
2012-12-06 02:44:01 PM  
1 votes:

david_gaithersburg: If only he held a degree in puppetry, then he would be Fark acceptable.


I'm not sure if Fark found it "acceptable". I believe the victims in the puppeteer's case, were actively seeking older male sexual companionship in online chat rooms. Years later, some decided to sue, press charges and the like.

Sandusky, on the other hand, was an aggressor and prayed on kids that were not seeking to have a sexual relationship.

I guess that's why, but do carry on with the premise of hypocrisy, and your personal outrage caused by it. That's Fark, too.

See ya in the next "teacher farks student" thread.
2012-12-06 02:37:20 PM  
1 votes:
If there was no legal way on the books stipulating he'd lose his pension then he keeps his pension. But as a personal asset for the civil suits I would imagine it's fair game, no? No matter how you slice it up he's gonna die alone in an orange jumpsuit, likely soon and likely poor. That's enough for me as I admit I have completely lost interest in this case. The dude who raped kids is in jail and he'll never get out. I knew none of the vics personally so I'm sort of done with it.
2012-12-06 02:07:57 PM  
1 votes:
did his sentence include forfeiture of assets?
did his contract stipulate that his pension would be forfeit upon conviction of ___________?

if no: pay the man.
2012-12-06 02:07:08 PM  
1 votes:

FinFangFark: JackieRabbit: I'm sorry, but his pension doesn't have a damned thing to do with his crimes. He earned it and it is his. Taking it away only hurts his family, who are innocent. THis whole Sandusky case if a cluster-fark. Penn State should be ashamed of its own behavior in the matter.

Well if by "earned" you mean he was let go early from his contract at Penn State b/c of the first allegations of showing with a boy that the DA (who vanished into thin air) was investigating, at a time when he was penned to be the next headcoach should Paterno retire. A pension he earned after that, when he was allowed on campus and in the facilities, to take boys to rape, several times, and use their resources to buy their silence by taking them to football games, and giving them gear?

Yeah. He should keep it. Just like Paterno's family should keep his pension.


He was tried and convicted in a court of law and will spend the rest of his life in jail. He was punished by a competent authority, having the jurisdiction to do so. Penn State has no such jurisdiction. They knew what he was up to, allowed it to happen, and then allowed him to retire. Now, for the sake of PR, they want to take his pension away. I say fark them. They are too guilty themselves to cast any stones at anyone.
2012-12-06 02:00:02 PM  
1 votes:

beta_plus: Thanks Public Sector Unions!

The California Public School Teachers heartily support Sandusky in his efforts for justice.

/Teachers Unions: DO IT FOR THE KIDS!


Gee I am about the most anti-union guy you will meet, but I guess I got to agree with the commies here.

If you commit a crime, you should be punished by the criminal system (which can include seizure of assets). If you are civilly liable to someone, the court can order you to turn over some of you your assets to the harmed party.

How in the fark all does that suddenly mean automatic loss of pensions? Why should committing a crime make you automatically lose your pension (which is an asset that you directly or indirectly earned?)

It makes as much sense as saying "Oh you committed a felony so we are just going to take your house away. Not because the court ordered your restitution in the value of your home, but just since you own it, and you did something bad, you don't own it anymore, because it makes us feel good"

Oh wait I doesn't even know why I'm asking this hypothetical question. I already know the answer. It's because fark.com posters masturbate at the though of the government taking peoples money. It's what feeds you.
2012-12-06 01:56:44 PM  
1 votes:
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2012-12-06 01:49:37 PM  
1 votes:

mooseyfate: Egoy3k: mooseyfate: Here's hoping anyone in the position to give Sandusky what he wants tells him to blow it out his ass. Of all the times that the judicial system treats people unfairly, why can't THIS be one of them? At least this time it wouldn't be outrageous.

So you wouldn't consider seizure of assets in addition to imprisonment when all other individuals convicted of similar crimes on face imprisonment to be outrageous? I sure do. The guy is a monster but the law is the same for all of us.You shouldn't be so quick to take the rights of others away because someday somehow your rights might get taken from you.

/taking his pension won't make him less of a scumbag or any of his victims less raped

Well I guess it's a good thing I feel 26 more years of not raping little kids in my future.


You missed the actually point of the argument more spectacularly than Tebow misses a checkdown receiver.
2012-12-06 01:43:31 PM  
1 votes:

kregh99: [img2-cdn.newser.com image 300x250]

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"Point of inquiry... why does that law enforcement official have a cowboy hat when he is neither a cowboy nor in any reasonable proximity to the region of the United States where such headwear originated?"


Because, while he might not be as bad as the molester he is escorting, he also is a detestable turd.

Never met anyone with the cowboy self-image who wasn't.
2012-12-06 01:41:51 PM  
1 votes:

mooseyfate: Here's hoping anyone in the position to give Sandusky what he wants tells him to blow it out his ass. Of all the times that the judicial system treats people unfairly, why can't THIS be one of them? At least this time it wouldn't be outrageous.


So you wouldn't consider seizure of assets in addition to imprisonment when all other individuals convicted of similar crimes on face imprisonment to be outrageous? I sure do. The guy is a monster but the law is the same for all of us.You shouldn't be so quick to take the rights of others away because someday somehow your rights might get taken from you.

/taking his pension won't make him less of a scumbag or any of his victims less raped
2012-12-06 01:29:12 PM  
1 votes:
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wdca.images.worldnow.com
"Point of inquiry... why does that law enforcement official have a cowboy hat when he is neither a cowboy nor in any reasonable proximity to the region of the United States where such headwear originated?"
2012-12-06 01:26:17 PM  
1 votes:

The My Little Pony Killer: Can they let him into the general population so that he can be killed now, or are we waiting until Christmas for that?


I don't care what anyone did. A prison sentence shouldn't be a license for someone to get murdered. That's just wrong. Staring at walls for life is punishment enough.
2012-12-06 01:23:44 PM  
1 votes:

phalamir: Man, you must be Sandusky's little biatch. Make the worthless shiat suffer; letting someone kill him just means he gets to end it quick. I want the bastard to have the finest healthcare imaginable. And by that, I mean I want him to have access to the very best hospital in the world, be at the top of every possible transplant list, and have absurdly well-trained doctors on call 24/7. I want every possible life-saving procedure done on the sick farker. 30 years from now, I want him in the same cell, begging to die, and someone looking down at him saying "No".


You forgot to add a Penn State death penalty to the list. Let the bastard watch it crumble, and despair. Of course, the cowards on the NCAA board don't think that's appropriate, so that won't happen either.
2012-12-06 01:22:32 PM  
1 votes:

theMightyRegeya: david_gaithersburg: If only he held a degree in puppetry, then he would be Fark acceptable.

Yeah, chatting with gay teens who have consented to talking to you, then meeting up with them for sex, is exactly the same as using physical force to have sex with 10-year-olds.

/I think Kevin Clash should be investigated and, if found guilty, prosecuted
//still not the same
///not even close


I understand what you are saying, but to many people farking an underaged male in the ass is wrong and it doesn't matter whether there was consent or not and most of those who think it is wrong also think that the penalty should be death by prison gang.

Parthenogenetic: Random Anonymous Blackmail: The My Little Pony Killer

Can they let him into the general population so that he can be killed now, or are we waiting until Christmas for that?

12 days of anal rape on pay per view or the holiday season.

On the First Day of Christmas, for Jerry Sandusky: A stay in the penitentiary

On the Second Day of Christmas for Jerry Sandusky: Two hairy balls, and a stay in the penitentiary

On the Third Day of Christmas for Jerry Sandusky: Three horny dudes, two hairy balls, and a stay in the penitentiary

etc.


On the sixth day of Christmas for Jerry Sandusky, his fellow prisoners gave to him...
6 Cleveland Steamers
5...Cock...Rings
4 Black Cocks
3 French Anal Kisses
2 Hairy Balls
...and a stay in the penitentiary
2012-12-06 01:21:02 PM  
1 votes:

The My Little Pony Killer: Can they let him into the general population so that he can be killed now, or are we waiting until Christmas for that?


Man, you must be Sandusky's little biatch. Make the worthless shiat suffer; letting someone kill him just means he gets to end it quick. I want the bastard to have the finest healthcare imaginable. And by that, I mean I want him to have access to the very best hospital in the world, be at the top of every possible transplant list, and have absurdly well-trained doctors on call 24/7. I want every possible life-saving procedure done on the sick farker. 30 years from now, I want him in the same cell, begging to die, and someone looking down at him saying "No".

Now, if you want to let him serve as the US military's non-lethal torture training dummy, then go for it; the fact that he can't give them useful information would be a plus - but always have top-flight medical care standing by to get him back up to fighting trim before the next session.

/you people have no sense of restraint and non-proportional retribution
2012-12-06 01:16:02 PM  
1 votes:

Mentalpatient87: david_gaithersburg: If only he held a degree in puppetry, then he would be Fark acceptable.

Just stop for two seconds and think about how you're defending a child rapist. Do you really think you have the high ground?


Just stop for 3 seconds and think how you're responding to a troll. Do you really think it's worth it?
2012-12-06 12:59:44 PM  
1 votes:

fiver5: david_gaithersburg: If only he held a degree in puppetry, then he would be Fark acceptable.

Actually if Sandusky came forward and said he though he should pay more taxes (and so should everyone else, except of course for the people who post on fark) then he would be a *true* hero, and not guilty.


You guys probably shouldn't start sucking each others dicks quite yet.
2012-12-06 12:58:39 PM  
1 votes:

Warlordtrooper: Alright folks. The other day you talked about rape culture if you want to see what rape culture is just watch how many people cheer for sandusky to be raped



So wishing poetic justice on a CONVICTED RAPIST PEDO is the same as saying "she was asking for it"? Mmmm nah. Nice troll attempt, though.

Is there any reason Old Rapey can't be brought up on civil charges that funnel his pension to the victims?
2012-12-06 12:58:11 PM  
1 votes:

fiver5: david_gaithersburg: If only he held a degree in puppetry, then he would be Fark acceptable.

Actually if Sandusky came forward and said he though he should pay more taxes (and so should everyone else, except of course for the people who post on fark) then he would be a *true* hero, and not guilty.


If you don't happen to be a troll, know that you just sided with possibly the biggest recurring troll Fark has at the moment. Then take a long look at your life.
2012-12-06 12:56:02 PM  
1 votes:
If the money is his, then it should go to RAINN or divided equally to victims.

If the money isn't his, then it should go back into the pot for the general good.

I appreciate he "worked" for his pension - but I'm just not okay with this...
2012-12-06 12:52:24 PM  
1 votes:

Chelsea Clinton Is Carrot Top's Lost Twin: AliceBToklasLives: Private_Citizen: So long as Sandusky lives, his pension should be paid... and equally divided amongst his victims.

Yes - the civil cases will take care of his pension.

/Odds on a guard making a 'mistake' and letting Sandusky get attacked (and possibly Dahmered)?
//Probably a question of 'when' rather than 'if'

That may be completely untrue. Case in point - OJ Simpson was found guilty in his murder civil case; however, Simpsons NFL pension (something like $30,000.00/month) cannot be touched at all for restitution.

/YMMV regarding individual state laws.


His victims cannot divert his pension but he can be ordered to pay them 30,000 a month.

That's effectively the same.
2012-12-06 12:45:05 PM  
1 votes:

lohphat: His assets are not part of the criminal sentence.


FTFY. Any additional dollars put into his bank account will be compensated with larger civil claims against him, but I understand him trying to protect his acorns. That is assuming that his gross criminal misconduct resulting in indelible damage to his employer's reputation doesn't actually break the applicable-at-the-time rules.
2012-12-06 12:42:13 PM  
1 votes:
We, in theory, have a justice system, not a vengeance system.

If he's serving the prescribed punishment for his crime then he's been treated equally under the law. If its mob vengeance where he money is taken, his house burned to the ground, and his family tossed out on the street, why should they be punished for his crimes unless the money was acquired via an act of crime (e.g. embezzlement)?

His assets are not part of the sentence.
2012-12-06 12:39:17 PM  
1 votes:

Bit'O'Gristle: Just when i thought the guy couldn't stoop any lower..or be a bigger peice of human offal...


...he tried to hold the state to what he believes are its contractual obligations based on the agreements he made with them at the time of his employment?

Yea. Now we truly see him for the monster he is...
2012-12-06 12:37:45 PM  
1 votes:

david_gaithersburg: If only he held a degree in puppetry, then he would be Fark acceptable.


So having standards is frowned upon now?
2012-12-06 12:35:52 PM  
1 votes:

fiver5: david_gaithersburg: If only he held a degree in puppetry, then he would be Fark acceptable.

Actually if Sandusky came forward and said he though he should pay more taxes (and so should everyone else, except of course for the people who post on fark) then he would be a *true* hero, and not guilty.


Try not to strain any muscles grasping at those straws, guys.

jesdynf: I'm not sure what the problem is. We already know the university was fine cutting checks when they knew Sandusky was having sex with children.


I can see that coming up as evidence on his behalf.
2012-12-06 12:32:39 PM  
1 votes:

david_gaithersburg: If only he held a degree in puppetry, then he would be Fark acceptable.


Cry some more, please.
2012-12-06 12:19:24 PM  
1 votes:

ginandbacon: Loathsome toad might have a case.


It all depends on whether his claims of the more strict "conduct unbecoming" rules kicking in in 2004 are really valid. Had he been prosecuted in 1998, would the code of conduct for employees have been specific enough to eliminate pension payment for his actions.

Now before we all get on the "maybe he has a case" brigade, he also assumed that nothing he did to those kids was wrong and we see how well that played out for him. His lawyer will say anything, and it isn't like Jer's got much better to do right now.
2012-12-06 12:17:10 PM  
1 votes:
If only he held a degree in puppetry, then he would be Fark acceptable.
2012-12-06 11:45:15 AM  
1 votes:
Loathsome toad might have a case.
 
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