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(Newser)   Jerry Sandusky worked hard for his pension, and he doesn't think he should lose it over a few dozen pesky rape convictions   (newser.com) divider line 141
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2012-12-06 11:19:47 AM
What does the contract say? If there isn't a clause that causes him to forfeit it on account of felony convictions, or something in the law to that effect, then I suppose he is entitled to it. Since he's a ward of the state, I assume the state has procedures for this sort of thing: they can hold the money in trust for the duration of his imprisonment, and then hand it over to him upon his release.
 
2012-12-06 11:28:34 AM
Can they let him into the general population so that he can be killed now, or are we waiting until Christmas for that?
 
2012-12-06 11:45:15 AM
Loathsome toad might have a case.
 
2012-12-06 12:15:35 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: Can they let him into the general population so that he can be killed now, or are we waiting until Christmas for that?


Heh came in to ask that too. I'm kinda disappointed in our prison justice system.

Anyway I hope they find a way to make him lose it. His creepy, sith-lord wife doesn't deserve a penny.
 
2012-12-06 12:17:10 PM
If only he held a degree in puppetry, then he would be Fark acceptable.
 
2012-12-06 12:19:24 PM

ginandbacon: Loathsome toad might have a case.


It all depends on whether his claims of the more strict "conduct unbecoming" rules kicking in in 2004 are really valid. Had he been prosecuted in 1998, would the code of conduct for employees have been specific enough to eliminate pension payment for his actions.

Now before we all get on the "maybe he has a case" brigade, he also assumed that nothing he did to those kids was wrong and we see how well that played out for him. His lawyer will say anything, and it isn't like Jer's got much better to do right now.
 
2012-12-06 12:19:57 PM
The My Little Pony Killer

Can they let him into the general population so that he can be killed now, or are we waiting until Christmas for that?

12 days of anal rape on pay per view or the holiday season.
 
2012-12-06 12:20:16 PM
They should televise this guy's first prison ass raping.
 
2012-12-06 12:20:20 PM
So long as Sandusky lives, his pension should be paid... and equally divided amongst his victims.
 
2012-12-06 12:21:03 PM

Millennium: What does the contract say? If there isn't a clause that causes him to forfeit it on account of felony convictions, or something in the law to that effect, then I suppose he is entitled to it. Since he's a ward of the state, I assume the state has procedures for this sort of thing: they can hold the money in trust for the duration of his imprisonment, and then hand it over to him upon his release.


Presuming for a moment that this is a simple matter of contract law, there's really no "suppose" about it. Courts will interpret contracts on their face; if the contract doesn't speak to grounds for forfeiture, then essentially there are none. If it does speak to forfeiture, and "conviction of a felony" isn't among the grounds, then Sandusky gets his pension. However, I practice law in Texas, not Pennsylvania, so I don't know how their law may affect this.

Oh, and Sandusky should be locked into an outhouse and set on fire.
 
2012-12-06 12:21:05 PM
Subbs, if you're implying 'worked hard' like I think you are, you're one sick summabiatch.
 
2012-12-06 12:21:05 PM
He might have a case. I like that the law is expected to be free of passion. If he's shown to be entitled to it, loathesome though he may be, keeping it is a positive sign that our system works the way it's supposed to.

When the most detestable people can have their rights, civil and commercial, and their agreements, public and private successfully defended, that means you and I can, too.
 
2012-12-06 12:22:44 PM
On the surface I'd say he has a pretty strong case here. I don't see how they can say he is subject to the 2004 rules because he was a "defacto" employee. You are employed or you aren't. Doesn't matter if you have locker room keys or not.

Looking at the big picture, it would seem to me better to let him have his pension. His estate is going to be financially exhausted either way as the civil suits continue. He will NEVER be able to repay the total financial loss he will be accountable for, at least letting his pension flow in means a few more (accountable and auditable) dollars which can be distributed to the victims as the judgements roll in.
 
2012-12-06 12:23:59 PM

Private_Citizen: So long as Sandusky lives, his pension should be paid... and equally divided amongst his victims.


Exactly. He's never seeing a penny of that pension. His victims will be getting it all and then some.
 
2012-12-06 12:25:51 PM

david_gaithersburg: If only he held a degree in puppetry, then he would be Fark acceptable.


Yeah, chatting with gay teens who have consented to talking to you, then meeting up with them for sex, is exactly the same as using physical force to have sex with 10-year-olds.

/I think Kevin Clash should be investigated and, if found guilty, prosecuted
//still not the same
///not even close
 
2012-12-06 12:26:30 PM

Random Anonymous Blackmail: The My Little Pony Killer

Can they let him into the general population so that he can be killed now, or are we waiting until Christmas for that?

12 days of anal rape on pay per view or the holiday season.


We can call it "Hell in a Cell". Is that taken???
 
2012-12-06 12:27:20 PM

Private_Citizen: So long as Sandusky lives, his pension should be paid... and equally divided amongst his victims.


Yes - the civil cases will take care of his pension.

/Odds on a guard making a 'mistake' and letting Sandusky get attacked (and possibly Dahmered)?
//Probably a question of 'when' rather than 'if'
 
2012-12-06 12:27:57 PM
So what subby is saying is Sandusky could be getting shafted?

/WIndow seat please
 
2012-12-06 12:29:27 PM

david_gaithersburg: If only he held a degree in puppetry, then he would be Fark acceptable.


Actually if Sandusky came forward and said he though he should pay more taxes (and so should everyone else, except of course for the people who post on fark) then he would be a *true* hero, and not guilty.
 
2012-12-06 12:31:09 PM
I'm not sure what the problem is. We already know the university was fine cutting checks when they knew Sandusky was having sex with children.
 
2012-12-06 12:32:39 PM

david_gaithersburg: If only he held a degree in puppetry, then he would be Fark acceptable.


Cry some more, please.
 
2012-12-06 12:34:01 PM
Just when i thought the guy couldn't stoop any lower..or be a bigger peice of human offal. He and OJ should get togther and have a WAAAMBULANCE cock party. I'll bet OJ is wanting someone to whine to. If i was the univirsity, i would fight this as long as humanly possible, just on general principal. fark you Sandusky, fark you in the ass with a giant hockey stick wrapped with barbed wire.
 
2012-12-06 12:34:09 PM
So, he wants room and board And a pension?
 
2012-12-06 12:34:24 PM

theMightyRegeya: david_gaithersburg: If only he held a degree in puppetry, then he would be Fark acceptable.

Yeah, chatting with gay teens who have consented to talking to you, then meeting up with them for sex, is exactly the same as using physical force to have sex with 10-year-olds.


^^^^^^^
Whoa! I hope that the Boy Scouts have you on their stay far far away from list.

 
2012-12-06 12:35:52 PM

fiver5: david_gaithersburg: If only he held a degree in puppetry, then he would be Fark acceptable.

Actually if Sandusky came forward and said he though he should pay more taxes (and so should everyone else, except of course for the people who post on fark) then he would be a *true* hero, and not guilty.


Try not to strain any muscles grasping at those straws, guys.

jesdynf: I'm not sure what the problem is. We already know the university was fine cutting checks when they knew Sandusky was having sex with children.


I can see that coming up as evidence on his behalf.
 
2012-12-06 12:36:39 PM
Question: Would the pension, IF he is legally entitled to it go to Mrs. Sandusky since he is in jail?
 
2012-12-06 12:37:45 PM

david_gaithersburg: If only he held a degree in puppetry, then he would be Fark acceptable.


So having standards is frowned upon now?
 
2012-12-06 12:37:57 PM

AliceBToklasLives: Private_Citizen: So long as Sandusky lives, his pension should be paid... and equally divided amongst his victims.

Yes - the civil cases will take care of his pension.

/Odds on a guard making a 'mistake' and letting Sandusky get attacked (and possibly Dahmered)?
//Probably a question of 'when' rather than 'if'

That may be completely untrue. Case in point - OJ Simpson was found guilty in his murder civil case; however, Simpsons NFL pension (something like $30,000.00/month) cannot be touched at all for restitution.

/YMMV regarding individual state laws.

 
2012-12-06 12:39:17 PM

Bit'O'Gristle: Just when i thought the guy couldn't stoop any lower..or be a bigger peice of human offal...


...he tried to hold the state to what he believes are its contractual obligations based on the agreements he made with them at the time of his employment?

Yea. Now we truly see him for the monster he is...
 
2012-12-06 12:40:01 PM
Send his pension to the prison to pay for his accommodations.
 
2012-12-06 12:42:13 PM
We, in theory, have a justice system, not a vengeance system.

If he's serving the prescribed punishment for his crime then he's been treated equally under the law. If its mob vengeance where he money is taken, his house burned to the ground, and his family tossed out on the street, why should they be punished for his crimes unless the money was acquired via an act of crime (e.g. embezzlement)?

His assets are not part of the sentence.
 
2012-12-06 12:42:32 PM
Alright folks. The other day you talked about rape culture if you want to see what rape culture is just watch how many people cheer for sandusky to be raped
 
2012-12-06 12:45:05 PM

lohphat: His assets are not part of the criminal sentence.


FTFY. Any additional dollars put into his bank account will be compensated with larger civil claims against him, but I understand him trying to protect his acorns. That is assuming that his gross criminal misconduct resulting in indelible damage to his employer's reputation doesn't actually break the applicable-at-the-time rules.
 
2012-12-06 12:51:34 PM

david_gaithersburg: If only he held a degree in puppetry, then he would be Fark acceptable.


Just stop for two seconds and think about how you're defending a child rapist. Do you really think you have the high ground?
 
2012-12-06 12:52:24 PM

Chelsea Clinton Is Carrot Top's Lost Twin: AliceBToklasLives: Private_Citizen: So long as Sandusky lives, his pension should be paid... and equally divided amongst his victims.

Yes - the civil cases will take care of his pension.

/Odds on a guard making a 'mistake' and letting Sandusky get attacked (and possibly Dahmered)?
//Probably a question of 'when' rather than 'if'

That may be completely untrue. Case in point - OJ Simpson was found guilty in his murder civil case; however, Simpsons NFL pension (something like $30,000.00/month) cannot be touched at all for restitution.

/YMMV regarding individual state laws.


His victims cannot divert his pension but he can be ordered to pay them 30,000 a month.

That's effectively the same.
 
2012-12-06 12:53:16 PM

Warlordtrooper: Alright folks. The other day you talked about rape culture if you want to see what rape culture is just watch how many people cheer for sandusky to be raped


/you said rape thrice
 
2012-12-06 12:54:25 PM
Penn State students and alums will be outraged if he doesn't get the pension. They're the real victims.
 
2012-12-06 12:56:02 PM
If the money is his, then it should go to RAINN or divided equally to victims.

If the money isn't his, then it should go back into the pot for the general good.

I appreciate he "worked" for his pension - but I'm just not okay with this...
 
2012-12-06 12:57:56 PM

Vegan Meat Popsicle: Bit'O'Gristle: Just when i thought the guy couldn't stoop any lower..or be a bigger peice of human offal...

...he tried to hold the state to what he believes are its contractual obligations based on the agreements he made with them at the time of his employment?

Yea. Now we truly see him for the monster he is...


/not sure if you're trolling or just stupid.
 
2012-12-06 12:58:11 PM

fiver5: david_gaithersburg: If only he held a degree in puppetry, then he would be Fark acceptable.

Actually if Sandusky came forward and said he though he should pay more taxes (and so should everyone else, except of course for the people who post on fark) then he would be a *true* hero, and not guilty.


If you don't happen to be a troll, know that you just sided with possibly the biggest recurring troll Fark has at the moment. Then take a long look at your life.
 
2012-12-06 12:58:38 PM

tnpir:

Oh, and Sandusky should be locked into an outhouse and set on fire.


Is that your closing argument?
 
2012-12-06 12:58:39 PM

Warlordtrooper: Alright folks. The other day you talked about rape culture if you want to see what rape culture is just watch how many people cheer for sandusky to be raped



So wishing poetic justice on a CONVICTED RAPIST PEDO is the same as saying "she was asking for it"? Mmmm nah. Nice troll attempt, though.

Is there any reason Old Rapey can't be brought up on civil charges that funnel his pension to the victims?
 
2012-12-06 12:59:44 PM

fiver5: david_gaithersburg: If only he held a degree in puppetry, then he would be Fark acceptable.

Actually if Sandusky came forward and said he though he should pay more taxes (and so should everyone else, except of course for the people who post on fark) then he would be a *true* hero, and not guilty.


You guys probably shouldn't start sucking each others dicks quite yet.
 
2012-12-06 01:00:51 PM

desertgeek: Exactly. He's never seeing a penny of that pension. His victims will be getting it all and then some.


Many government pensions are not susceptible to garnishment, and so that is not necessarily the case. Sure, they may be able to get at the money once it hits a bank account, but that's a moving target and consumes a lot of resources.
 
2012-12-06 01:01:44 PM

Random Anonymous Blackmail: The My Little Pony Killer

Can they let him into the general population so that he can be killed now, or are we waiting until Christmas for that?

12 days of anal rape on pay per view or the holiday season.


On the First Day of Christmas, for Jerry Sandusky: A stay in the penitentiary

On the Second Day of Christmas for Jerry Sandusky: Two hairy balls, and a stay in the penitentiary

On the Third Day of Christmas for Jerry Sandusky: Three horny dudes, two hairy balls, and a stay in the penitentiary

etc.
 
2012-12-06 01:03:12 PM

Millennium: What does the contract say? If there isn't a clause that causes him to forfeit it on account of felony convictions, or something in the law to that effect, then I suppose he is entitled to it. Since he's a ward of the state, I assume the state has procedures for this sort of thing: they can hold the money in trust for the duration of his imprisonment, and then hand it over to him upon his release.


This. You don't get to just randomly revoke pensions due to factors unrelated to the contract. If the forfeiture rules in 1999 when he retired don't say he loses it, he doesn't lose it.

Being a criminal doesn't mean you don't have rights as far as your non-criminal transactions and contracts go.

//That said, while a pension is exempt from garnishment, once its been paid and put in a bank there's nothing to stop a judge from, say, freezing the bank account its stored in and seizing the funds to pay off all or part of a civil judgement. I think, anyhow. Not 100% on this branch of law.
 
2012-12-06 01:05:56 PM

The My Little Pony Killer: Can they let him into the general population so that he can be killed now, or are we waiting until Christmas for that?


I don't even know if he's off suicide watch yet, let alone allowed into genpop.
 
2012-12-06 01:07:52 PM
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2012-12-06 01:08:13 PM

kronicfeld: desertgeek: Exactly. He's never seeing a penny of that pension. His victims will be getting it all and then some.

Many government pensions are not susceptible to garnishment, and so that is not necessarily the case. Sure, they may be able to get at the money once it hits a bank account, but that's a moving target and consumes a lot of resources.


I'm just kind of disgusted that his wife is still free and will get money from this. She's as guilty as he is.
 
2012-12-06 01:08:45 PM

Orgasmatron138: The My Little Pony Killer: Can they let him into the general population so that he can be killed now, or are we waiting until Christmas for that?

I don't even know if he's off suicide watch yet, let alone allowed into genpop.


He's not going to be off that list as long as he's making statements like these.
 
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