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(The Consumerist)   Choose your own adventure: You order one iPad as a gift. The big box store sends you five. What do you do with the extra iPads? Tag is for actual outcome   (consumerist.com) divider line 13
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17173 clicks; posted to Main » on 06 Dec 2012 at 10:06 AM (1 year ago)   |  Favorite    |   share:  Share on Twitter share via Email Share on Facebook   more»



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2012-12-06 10:29:59 AM
2 votes:
I wonder if the other side of this story is that somewhere, someone who ordered 5 ipads got a box with one, and was charged for 5, and is going apeshiat with Best Buy.
2012-12-06 10:25:57 AM
2 votes:
meh. I'd have handed out the extra iPads to friends and family as christmas presents, no problem.

Personally, I lurve my iPad. sometimes, when I hold it close, I imagine I can hear the weeping and crying of the chinese slave workers who built it for me.
2012-12-06 05:43:38 PM
1 votes:

ObscureNameHere: "You enter the 10' by 10' stone floored room. There are four torches -- one in each corner-- that cast a flickering orange light over the pile of iPads sitting suspiciously in the middle of the room on a small pedastal. Exits are North and South. Do you:

a) Walk towards the pile of iPads? (turn to 86)
b) Take the North exit? (turn to 12)
c) Turn around and go South? (turn to 123)"


d) set a bomb near the west wall and try to take out as many Like Likes as possible.
2012-12-06 04:50:37 PM
1 votes:

Teiritzamna: [...] What caused my law talking powers to activate was merely the consumerist's facepalmy statement that under the law, anything mailed to your house is yours 100%.

/it does make me think that we should open a service to just randomly mail people hazardous waste as a way of getting rid of it. Sorry, you are on the hook for that Methylethylketone, it was mailed to your house.


Cut, jib, etc. Your newsletter, I would like to subscribe to it.

Wait! No I wouldn't... You'll just mail me some toxic junk.
2012-12-06 04:43:03 PM
1 votes:

Priapetic: You're right, it doesn't trump those remedies - poor choice of words on my part.


NP, i hope my response wasn't too snarky - I have this annoying need to educate people against their will. It is 95% of the time good-natured (as it was in your case) but it is hard to convey tone on the internet.

Teiritzamna: if you are a big company in order to prevail in a case in restitution against the little guy is to hope the recipient acts with massively unclean hands and pisses off the court:

Exactly. And if you're a big company up against a little, little guy (i.e. consumer) who is almost by definition ill-suited to bear the costs of litigation, you better tread very cautiously in pursuing recovery. It better be a big deal to you financially (i.e. hugely expensive merchandise like luxury cars, etc., not a couple grand in iPads) or you'll be the one pissing off the court.


Yuppers - as I said, in this case it appears that everyone (shocker for a fark story) was a good actor. The recipients did everything right - up to and including thinking of charity for thier windfall. BB acted just like you want a big corporation to - they basically said "it was our bad - happy holidays." What caused my law talking powers to activate was merely the consumerist's facepalmy statement that under the law, anything mailed to your house is yours 100%.

/it does make me think that we should open a service to just randomly mail people hazardous waste as a way of getting rid of it. Sorry, you are on the hook for that Methylethylketone, it was mailed to your house.
2012-12-06 12:24:42 PM
1 votes:

CFitzsimmons: When I was in college a package arrived at our apt addressed to "Resident". Inside we found two dozen ceramic spice jars that looked like little houses. My roommate and I were confused, but figured, "what the hell" and put them in the kitchen. No bill ever arrived; no one ever contacted us.


4.bp.blogspot.com

Wants his jars back.
2012-12-06 12:13:05 PM
1 votes:

Teiritzamna: Silverstaff: A democratic republic?

The Galactic Empire abandoned any pretense of being a Republic with the Declaration of A New Order in 19 BBY.

Read the text of it, it makes it clear that the Empire was ruled by one man, and his word was absolute.

Then read the "Suspension of the Imperial Senate", the flimsy pretense to abolish the Senate and the last vestige of Republic rule.

Thanks to the Tarkin Doctrine, the entire plan was to use fear to rule the galaxy. They accepted the power of the Empire to begin with thanks to fear of the Jedi, and fear of Separatists, and then if they had any problems with the power they had already accepted, they would have to deal with fear of the overwhelming Imperial military, with the Death Star as an ultimate symbol of it.

When that weapons platform had just killed 2 billion people as a simple demonstration of force, the extrajudicial killing of billions, it became a matter of self defense for all people in the galaxy to destroy it. Nobody, anywhere could be safe from the DS-1 Orbital Battle Station, and it could kill billions, or theoretically a trillion (if aimed at Coruscant) in a single action.

I'm kinda curious as to your idea of Alderaan having the biggest income inequality in the galaxy. Look at Coruscant. You've got the likes of Xixor, for example, who not only owns the largest shipping company in the galaxy, but is also the crime boss of one of the largest criminal syndicate besides the Hutt Clans, a man to whom money is no object. . .and you have transients in the undercity without a single credit to their name basically living in near-feral conditions.

I love my people (geeks i mean)


Wow you guys are really into Star Trek
2012-12-06 11:47:49 AM
1 votes:

Theaetetus: Teiritzamna: /as a lawyer geek its is the worst when someone misstates the law of star wars.

That the so-called 'rebellion' was really a terrorist insurgency against a democratic republic, funded by a constitutional monarchy on a planet with quite literally the biggest income inequality in the galaxy?

/the terrorists also caused a large flying vehicle to crash into a giant structure in which lots of people lived and worked


A democratic republic?

The Galactic Empire abandoned any pretense of being a Republic with the Declaration of A New Order in 19 BBY.

Read the text of it, it makes it clear that the Empire was ruled by one man, and his word was absolute.

Then read the "Suspension of the Imperial Senate", the flimsy pretense to abolish the Senate and the last vestige of Republic rule.

Thanks to the Tarkin Doctrine, the entire plan was to use fear to rule the galaxy. They accepted the power of the Empire to begin with thanks to fear of the Jedi, and fear of Separatists, and then if they had any problems with the power they had already accepted, they would have to deal with fear of the overwhelming Imperial military, with the Death Star as an ultimate symbol of it.

When that weapons platform had just killed 2 billion people as a simple demonstration of force, the extrajudicial killing of billions, it became a matter of self defense for all people in the galaxy to destroy it. Nobody, anywhere could be safe from the DS-1 Orbital Battle Station, and it could kill billions, or theoretically a trillion (if aimed at Coruscant) in a single action.

I'm kinda curious as to your idea of Alderaan having the biggest income inequality in the galaxy. Look at Coruscant. You've got the likes of Xixor, for example, who not only owns the largest shipping company in the galaxy, but is also the crime boss of one of the largest criminal syndicate besides the Hutt Clans, a man to whom money is no object. . .and you have transients in the undercity without a single credit to their name basically living in near-feral conditions.
2012-12-06 11:31:29 AM
1 votes:

Teiritzamna: /as a lawyer geek its is the worst when someone misstates the law of star wars.


That the so-called 'rebellion' was really a terrorist insurgency against a democratic republic, funded by a constitutional monarchy on a planet with quite literally the biggest income inequality in the galaxy?

/the terrorists also caused a large flying vehicle to crash into a giant structure in which lots of people lived and worked
2012-12-06 11:17:17 AM
1 votes:

Zasteva: Teiritzamna: Silverstaff: Well, the Federal Trade Commission seems to think otherwise, and gives out that advice on their website: Link

Once again - there is a world of difference between purposeful mailing you crap and then demanding payment, and accidentally shipping you something and then asking for it back. The FTC site is discussing the fact that you are under no legal obligation to pay for such goods - which is true. But in the case of a mistake if they demand the merch back, you dont have a legal right to possession.

Now it is true that the party requesting the goods bears the burden of actually showing that it was a mistake, however in cases such as this it seems like its not too hard a threshold for BB to show that they are not involved in a crazy scam to send people $1-2k in unwanted apple products in the hope that someone will pay them for it.

The trick with the law is it is not magic - by that i mean it is rarely a formalist recanting of facts and scenarios without any mind to the circumstances - which alas is the general lay understanding of it. It is generally focused instead upon fairness and reason. I think its pretty fair and reasonable to say that if you mistakenly send someone something they dont just get to keep it, just as it is fair to say that if you purposefully send someone something without request in the hopes that they pay for it, they are under no obligation to pay you.

On the other hand, as the recipient of unordered good, you are under no legal obligation to spend your time and money compensating for their mistake.

Contacting them to let them know of the mistake is the ethical thing to do. But the burden should be on them to fix that mistake if they care to -- making arrangements with you to collect the merchandise.

IANAL, but if you are going to take a fairness and reason approach then asking their customer to fix the company's mistake doesn't really meet that bar.

It's bad business practice too. The company is very likely ...


If you look at my posts - that is exactly what i said. The law doesnt seek to fark over the guy who made a mistake, but it bends over backwards to prevent the recipient - who literally did nothing wrong - from being put out. Under restitution, if the recipients honestly thought they got 5 iPads in the mail legitimately, and gave them away, only to then be contacted by the mistaken business, the law will say "too bad, so sad" because the recipient has, to use the jargon, "changed position."

Generally what happens, if they want the merch back is they send you labels and a box and you put the merch in it and they send a UPS guy to get it.

Now, from a PR perspective - given the mistake in this case and who called them on it, BB did the smart thing and wrote off the error. My beef was with the statement in the article that "Legally, anything that is shipped to your home is yours to keep." You know how standard geeks will get bent out of shape if they hear someone making a stupid statement w/r/t say star wars ("Luke skywalker is a powerful practitioner of magic, known as a sith")? Well it is 10x worse for lawyers and incorrect statements of the law.

/as a lawyer geek its is the worst when someone misstates the law of star wars.
2012-12-06 10:59:33 AM
1 votes:
When Madden 2008 (that last version for pc!) dropped down to $10, I used a $5 reward from my Best Buy credit card to buy 1 copy.

They sent me 2 in 2 different packages but I was only charged for 1.


I CAN TOTALLY RELATE TO THIS STORY.
2012-12-06 10:25:46 AM
1 votes:
I'd totally get the extended warranty on all 5.
2012-12-06 10:22:44 AM
1 votes:
I don't know which page to turn to, subby.
 
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