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(Guardian)   Mr Young, Is that a Pono in your pocket or are you just glad to see us?   (guardian.co.uk) divider line 23
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2012-12-06 10:24:36 AM
My Little Pono?
 
2012-12-06 10:26:23 AM
I'm glad i'm incapable of distinguishing between a 192kbps mp3, a 256kbps mp3, gold monster cables or no, and a band playing in my living room. I've tried FLAC and other lossless stuff, I just don't notice a different, For me it's not worth caring about.
 
2012-12-06 01:01:58 PM
As much as I like Neil and his music I'd put good money on the Pono tanking, badly.

Neil cares about fidelity. Most kids and consumer, not so much.
 
2012-12-06 01:08:06 PM
I love that guy.
I wish my hearing wasn't trashed.
Skarekrough is probably right, Pono will tank.
 
2012-12-06 01:10:18 PM
"64 kbit/s ought to be enough for anybody." -Jack Tramiel
 
2012-12-06 01:15:23 PM

Walker: My Little Pono?


Service's mascot found:
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Slaxl: I'm glad i'm incapable of distinguishing between a 192kbps mp3, a 256kbps mp3, gold monster cables or no, and a band playing in my living room. I've tried FLAC and other lossless stuff, I just don't notice a different, For me it's not worth caring about.


I'll bet Neil Young can't tell either. In the only double-blind test I'm aware of, audiophiles failed to differentiate between their shmancy cables and soldered lengths of coat hanger wire with greater accuracy than chance would suggest.
 
2012-12-06 01:22:35 PM

Skarekrough: As much as I like Neil and his music I'd put good money on the Pono tanking, badly.

Neil cares about fidelity. Most kids and consumer, not so much.


Skarekrough: As much as I like Neil and his music I'd put good money on the Pono tanking, badly.

Neil cares about fidelity. Most kids and consumer, not so much.


Yeah. Pono is doomed.

I just set up my neighbor with a new 55" 1080P 240Hz LCD/LED HDTV and he went right to enjoying streaming video from his Apple TV and SD video from the HD DVR and on demand, and the TV was factory-set so bright that everything looked a soap opera.

I was telling him he needed a Blu-Ray source and... He says "You want quality HERE. ...I'm OK with it here."

When you're a geek trying to wise up the masses, it can be hopeless.
 
2012-12-06 01:35:43 PM
www.chicagospankingreview.org
 
2012-12-06 02:33:59 PM
As a Neil Young fan I do appreciate his attention to detail and quality. I bought Psychedelic Pill on BluRay and it sounds fantastic. Plus you get video with all the songs. Can I honestly say I know for a fact it sounds better than the regular CD or the MP3? No.
 
2012-12-06 03:25:17 PM
Jeff73

Walker: My Little Pono?

Service's mascot found:


Slaxl: I'm glad i'm incapable of distinguishing between a 192kbps mp3, a 256kbps mp3, gold monster cables or no, and a band playing in my living room. I've tried FLAC and other lossless stuff, I just don't notice a different, For me it's not worth caring about.

I'll bet Neil Young can't tell either. In the only double-blind test I'm aware of, audiophiles failed to differentiate between their shmancy cables and soldered lengths of coat hanger wire with greater accuracy than chance would suggest.


From another article:

He gave a demonstration that replicated MP3s, CDs, Blu-ray and then the full Pono sound.

"You are getting less than 5 percent of the original recording," he said at first. He put on Aretha Franklin's "Respect" and then switched to Pono. The horns jumped and the car was filled with lush, liquid sound. He madly toggled between different outputs to make sure I was getting it.
 
2012-12-06 03:28:45 PM
Hey Hey My My
High quality music does not have to die
There's more to Pono than meets the eye
Hey Hey My My
 
2012-12-06 03:30:55 PM
The dance clubs in the big cities could profit from this....and would be a great showplace for the technology
 
2012-12-06 03:37:48 PM

Slaxl: I'm glad i'm incapable of distinguishing between a 192kbps mp3, a 256kbps mp3, gold monster cables or no, and a band playing in my living room. I've tried FLAC and other lossless stuff, I just don't notice a different, For me it's not worth caring about.


What were you playing it through though? 2.1 computer speakers? Not many people are rocking a component system anymore....any old farkers remember these?

www.jackbergsales.com
 
2012-12-06 03:56:42 PM
Red_Fox

Slaxl: I'm glad i'm incapable of distinguishing between a 192kbps mp3, a 256kbps mp3, gold monster cables or no, and a band playing in my living room. I've tried FLAC and other lossless stuff, I just don't notice a different, For me it's not worth caring about.

What were you playing it through though? 2.1 computer speakers? Not many people are rocking a component system anymore....any old farkers remember these?


Hell yeah....I still have my pair of JBL 112 speakers I got when I was in the military back in the early 80s....and a Technics turntable and a Yamaha receiver.....sadly my Sony reel to reel was stolen.
 
2012-12-06 04:09:45 PM
Red Fox- Still blasting my Yamaha Receiver, 60's vintage Fisher Pre-Amp, Beogram 5000 turntable, Nakamichi Cassette( yes ), & Polk Audio speakers. You need a good system to listen to acoustic music.
 
2012-12-06 06:06:45 PM

karnal: From another article:

He gave a demonstration that replicated MP3s, CDs, Blu-ray and then the full Pono sound.

"You are getting less than 5 percent of the original recording," he said at first. He put on Aretha Franklin's "Respect" and then switched to Pono. The horns jumped and the car was filled with lush, liquid sound. He madly toggled between different outputs to make sure I was getting it.


I'd have to hear it for myself. 256 MP3 sounds pretty close to live to me with decent speakers.
 
2012-12-06 06:52:33 PM

Red_Fox: Slaxl: I'm glad i'm incapable of distinguishing between a 192kbps mp3, a 256kbps mp3, gold monster cables or no, and a band playing in my living room. I've tried FLAC and other lossless stuff, I just don't notice a different, For me it's not worth caring about.

What were you playing it through though? 2.1 computer speakers? Not many people are rocking a component system anymore....any old farkers remember these?

[www.jackbergsales.com image 300x220]


just creamed myself a bit
 
2012-12-06 07:13:47 PM
I believe there is a huge market for this. Imagine being able to listen to Trans the way it was intended.
 
2012-12-06 10:20:18 PM

Skarekrough: As much as I like Neil and his music I'd put good money on the Pono tanking, badly.


I'd tend to agree, but the most random shiat has paid off for him in the past: he bought a controlling interest in Lionel when it was going under because he loves trains and helped turn it around.
 
2012-12-07 12:11:44 AM

Skarekrough: As much as I like Neil and his music I'd put good money on the Pono tanking, badly.

Neil cares about fidelity. Most kids and consumer, not so much.


From what I've heard he's approaching this as a niche market for some, and as a build-in to existing devices for others. I read a great article about it a few months ago where he explained that he's not expecting everyone to rush out and buy it, but more of a model where it gets integrated into things people will buy anyway.

He also brought up the point that with digital distribution and playback, you don't have the costs that were required with things like DAT, SACD, or other media that required a different playback method and media format than most people had. It's basically just encode the final mix of an album into a different digital format He's a pretty smart guy, this may work out for him to some degree.
 
2012-12-07 12:46:47 AM

davidphogan: Skarekrough: As much as I like Neil and his music I'd put good money on the Pono tanking, badly.

Neil cares about fidelity. Most kids and consumer, not so much.

From what I've heard he's approaching this as a niche market for some, and as a build-in to existing devices for others. I read a great article about it a few months ago where he explained that he's not expecting everyone to rush out and buy it, but more of a model where it gets integrated into things people will buy anyway.

He also brought up the point that with digital distribution and playback, you don't have the costs that were required with things like DAT, SACD, or other media that required a different playback method and media format than most people had. It's basically just encode the final mix of an album into a different digital format He's a pretty smart guy, this may work out for him to some degree.


He was on The Daily the other night and mentioned how he felt bad for the young woman walking down the street listening to an iPod which had inferior audio quality.

Is there a market for a Pono? Sure. Why the hell not. No one else is making a high-fidelity device to rival the iPod.

Of course, no one is even really looking to rival the iPod anymore. As a proud owner of one I can say that the device is on its last days. Its being replaced by cell phones and music from the cloud. Which makes the Pono somewhat akin to Zip disks as monstrous hard drives and high-speed internet connections are becoming an everyday item.

I am however convinced that there will always be some market for the high-end audio enthusiast. And as a guitar player whose amps use tubes I'm thankful that were able to have a market for which there is enough demand to keep them available.

But as a niche device they're going to need to support it. There's going to need to be software available to rip or a location online which they can sell music. Neither of those are terribly cheap. Five years is a lifetime in the world of software and I know he stated they were trying to work with Apple to get the iTunes Store to support it, I can't see them doing much other than paying lip service to them. Keep in mind that this is a guy who eschews digital in his work and has made no bones about it being inferior.
 
2012-12-07 01:20:31 AM
The author of TFA is a complete pillock.

FTA "Musicians such as Young are used to studio-quality sound and rarely listen to music on a BlackBerry on a bus or through £100 speakers, so greatly misunderstand how music is listened to "in the wild"."

No, he understands exactly how it is listened to, that is the whole point. He just does not think that that is a good way to listen to it. He thinks (rightly or wrongly) that people are missing out on something great.

Will follow with interest.
 
2012-12-07 04:28:56 PM
Still blasting my Yamaha Receiver, 60's vintage Fisher Pre-Amp, Beogram 5000 turntable, Nakamichi Cassette( yes ), & Polk Audio speakers. You need a good system to listen to acoustic music.

where's your reel-to-reel deck, you poseur
 
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