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(The Daily Beast)   Paul Ryan and Marco Rubio lay out vision for the "new and improved" GOP: exactly the same as the old GOP, only with fresh new buzzwords   (thedailybeast.com) divider line 26
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2012-12-06 11:26:23 AM
2 votes:

DeaH: Paul Ryan flopped on the national stage. Seriously. People liked him less than Mitt.


To be fair, that was partly because the he was known for exactly one thing and the GOP treated it like an AIDS needle the moment after they picked him.
2012-12-06 10:07:00 AM
2 votes:

Martian_Astronomer: For some reason, I'm reminded of fundamentalist youth pastors who think that they can convince teenagers to hate gays, fear their own bodies, and commit themselves to a literalist hermeneutic if they just play Christian rap music and say "Dude" and "man" a lot when they preach. I can't imagine why, it's totally unrelated...


Their belief system is right because it says it's right. Ergo it's never a problem with the message, but in how you present the message to the non-believers, whether they be non-religious or non-GOP.
2012-12-06 04:25:05 PM
1 votes:
So while Rubio is talking inclusion he's voting against the UN treaty on the rights of the disabled. How many sides of his mouth can he talk from?
2012-12-06 02:06:11 PM
1 votes:
And here I thought they might acquire some modicum of realization after the election.

It's not about "making people like you" you dumb twats. It's not about using the words. Liberals don't just mouth the phrases. They actually mean what they say. They implement the policies, or try to; and that's why people vote for them. You don't, and people know it. You can't say "We like minorities!" without doing something to prove it.

Maybe someday they'll learn. I doubt it, but it could happen.
2012-12-06 01:11:33 PM
1 votes:

Bloody William: Paul Ryan's contributing? Is it now a tradition to elevate humiliated vice presidential candidates to the position of party adviser?


It's the Palin Effect. Just wait for his reality show.
2012-12-06 12:29:16 PM
1 votes:
Paul Ryan and Marco Rubio lay out vision for the "new and improved" GOP: exactly the same as the old GOP, only with fresh new buzzwords

The Republican Party is stuck in the 1980s. They're getting all Six Sigma and shifting paradigms.
2012-12-06 11:30:59 AM
1 votes:

sprawl15: DeaH: Paul Ryan flopped on the national stage. Seriously. People liked him less than Mitt.

To be fair, that was partly because the he was known for exactly one thing and the GOP treated it like an AIDS needle the moment after they picked him.


Yeah. Say what you want about the man or the plan, but that was a piss-poor and ill-conceived strategy.
2012-12-06 11:27:15 AM
1 votes:
encycl.opentopia.com
2012-12-06 11:16:42 AM
1 votes:
Paul Ryan's contributing? Is it now a tradition to elevate humiliated vice presidential candidates to the position of party adviser?
2012-12-06 11:16:34 AM
1 votes:
You know Fluntz, I mean Frank Luntz, was on the phone once those election results came in ringing up the GOP heavyweights to set up some focus groups and craft new buzzwords to get the spin going and to line his pockets with even more conservative dollars!

Fluntz must have loved the Obama victory.
2012-12-06 11:00:35 AM
1 votes:
I saw this coming a million miles away. Several have made the all important step of saying they need to "reach-out" to minorities and women. However, when it comes to actual details or plans, it's nothing but the same old rehashed garbage. Don't want a 10 inch wand stuck in your hoohah after being raped so you can have an abortion? Tough, you should be worried about Fartbongo and the DimmyRATS taxes on medical devices which would make it more expensive for the gyno/minister to buy more rape wands.
2012-12-06 10:57:17 AM
1 votes:

Tigger: FTA Your ideas are unpopular. Americans don't want them. And they do not work.

This is the GOP's problem in a nutshell.

Fin.


I think Biden said it well in the VP debate: "Your ideas are old and your ideas are bad".
2012-12-06 10:26:30 AM
1 votes:
FTA Your ideas are unpopular. Americans don't want them. And they do not work.

This is the GOP's problem in a nutshell.

Fin.
2012-12-06 10:11:53 AM
1 votes:

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: Martian_Astronomer: For some reason, I'm reminded of fundamentalist youth pastors who think that they can convince teenagers to hate gays, fear their own bodies, and commit themselves to a literalist hermeneutic if they just play Christian rap music and say "Dude" and "man" a lot when they preach. I can't imagine why, it's totally unrelated...

Their belief system is right because it says it's right. Ergo it's never a problem with the message, but in how you present the message to the non-believers, whether they be non-religious or non-GOP.


Pop Quiz, hotshot. Complete this phrase: "_________ can never fail, it can only BE failed."

a) Communism
b) Socialism
c) Conservatism
d) Libertarianism
2012-12-06 10:10:53 AM
1 votes:
"Neither they nor the people they're talking to are ready to accept that they've been wrong about anything except messaging, and until they are, this is just gaseous rhetoric."

This.

It's like tfa's author has been reading my (and others') Fark Politics Tab comments. I can't be so vain, though, it's the obvious conclusion when you take a close look at today's Republicans.

If they want to lead the country to prosperity and strength, they need to stop believing that blessings flow if enough people think according to Republican politically/theologically correct dogma, and propose things that might actually work.

This is public policy we're talking about, this isn't a friggin' church.
2012-12-06 10:06:10 AM
1 votes:

Sock Ruh Tease: [..]

You forgot:
Socialism=Communism=Fascism
2012-12-06 10:02:09 AM
1 votes:
The rich = "job creators"
The middle-class = "hard-working Americans"
The poor = "hardly-working Americans"
Abortion = "cancellation of pregnancy"
Rape = "a bad time"
Health care = "unregulated market"
Clean energy = "socialism"
Homosexual = "socialist"
Transgendered = "communist"
Hispanic = "illegal immigrant"
TSA = "tough on terrorism"
Muslims = "terrorists"
2012-12-06 09:59:55 AM
1 votes:
Saying the phrase "middle class" more is meaningless if you don't change any of your policies.

Can someone tell me a single new policy proposal to help poor and middle class people from Rubio which differs from GOP orthodoxy?
2012-12-06 09:59:11 AM
1 votes:
For some reason, I'm reminded of fundamentalist youth pastors who think that they can convince teenagers to hate gays, fear their own bodies, and commit themselves to a literalist hermeneutic if they just play Christian rap music and say "Dude" and "man" a lot when they preach. I can't imagine why, it's totally unrelated...
2012-12-06 09:57:17 AM
1 votes:
You got to be farking kidding me with Paul Ryan, the guy is a zero, a complete douche, a pathalogical liar, the dude was so lame he brought the Romney ticket down... how do you even accomplish that. They marginalized him during the campaign because he is unlikable even for a republican. Rubio, whatever, maybe the guy could have some appeal.
2012-12-06 09:57:16 AM
1 votes:
The GOP, Ryan said in his speech, knows how to talk to the "risk-takers."

Risk takers:

learnthat.comwww.bls.gov

Not risk takers:
us.123rf.combrickcity.files.wordpress.com
2012-12-06 09:56:33 AM
1 votes:

odinsposse: Pretty much. For all the moaning about learning lessons and reaching out the modern GOP is convinced that there is absolutely nothing wrong with their platform. It's just a matter of spinning things to make poor people and minorities realize what garbage they are.


I...

Damn. Succinct and makes exactly the point I was going to.

// always spinning, spinning, spinning toward freedom
Bf+
2012-12-06 09:56:20 AM
1 votes:
This could very well be the end of the Republican party.
Part of me is happy, part scared.
2012-12-06 09:55:48 AM
1 votes:
Ryan/Rubio: we welcome those of all colors, religions, sexual persuasions, and marathon times.

As long as they're wealthy, or barring that, at least Christian and friends of Israel.
2012-12-06 09:53:49 AM
1 votes:
Pretty much. For all the moaning about learning lessons and reaching out the modern GOP is convinced that there is absolutely nothing wrong with their platform. It's just a matter of spinning things to make poor people and minorities realize what garbage they are.
2012-12-06 09:34:12 AM
1 votes:
One does not simply start liking the poors after what transpired in the last campaign. Good luck Ryan/Rubio 2016.
 
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