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(The Daily Beast)   Paul Ryan and Marco Rubio lay out vision for the "new and improved" GOP: exactly the same as the old GOP, only with fresh new buzzwords   (thedailybeast.com) divider line 48
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2012-12-06 09:34:12 AM
One does not simply start liking the poors after what transpired in the last campaign. Good luck Ryan/Rubio 2016.
 
2012-12-06 09:52:13 AM
Hmm... this Rubio guy is young and latino or cubano or whatever those people like to be called, so that gets us the young hispanic vote. 2016 is a LOCK baby!
 
2012-12-06 09:53:20 AM
This is shocking to me.
 
2012-12-06 09:53:49 AM
Pretty much. For all the moaning about learning lessons and reaching out the modern GOP is convinced that there is absolutely nothing wrong with their platform. It's just a matter of spinning things to make poor people and minorities realize what garbage they are.
 
2012-12-06 09:55:06 AM

karmaceutical: latino or cubano or whatever


I love cubanos! Anything with pickles in it is okay by my book.
 
2012-12-06 09:55:15 AM
I find their vision of needing HSA's to afford over the counter medicine to be particularly inspiring.
 
2012-12-06 09:55:48 AM
Ryan/Rubio: we welcome those of all colors, religions, sexual persuasions, and marathon times.

As long as they're wealthy, or barring that, at least Christian and friends of Israel.
 
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2012-12-06 09:56:20 AM
This could very well be the end of the Republican party.
Part of me is happy, part scared.
 
2012-12-06 09:56:33 AM

odinsposse: Pretty much. For all the moaning about learning lessons and reaching out the modern GOP is convinced that there is absolutely nothing wrong with their platform. It's just a matter of spinning things to make poor people and minorities realize what garbage they are.


I...

Damn. Succinct and makes exactly the point I was going to.

// always spinning, spinning, spinning toward freedom
 
2012-12-06 09:57:16 AM
The GOP, Ryan said in his speech, knows how to talk to the "risk-takers."

Risk takers:

learnthat.comwww.bls.gov

Not risk takers:
us.123rf.combrickcity.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-12-06 09:57:17 AM
You got to be farking kidding me with Paul Ryan, the guy is a zero, a complete douche, a pathalogical liar, the dude was so lame he brought the Romney ticket down... how do you even accomplish that. They marginalized him during the campaign because he is unlikable even for a republican. Rubio, whatever, maybe the guy could have some appeal.
 
2012-12-06 09:57:57 AM
How the Republican party expects the middle class to view them:

i.imgur.com

How the middle class actually views them:

i.imgur.com
 
2012-12-06 09:59:11 AM
For some reason, I'm reminded of fundamentalist youth pastors who think that they can convince teenagers to hate gays, fear their own bodies, and commit themselves to a literalist hermeneutic if they just play Christian rap music and say "Dude" and "man" a lot when they preach. I can't imagine why, it's totally unrelated...
 
2012-12-06 09:59:55 AM
i.imgur.com

We've been talking, GOP, and we think this whole production could be a lot more... zippy. It just, it needs zazz! Am I, I mean I'm right to say that right?
 
2012-12-06 09:59:55 AM
Saying the phrase "middle class" more is meaningless if you don't change any of your policies.

Can someone tell me a single new policy proposal to help poor and middle class people from Rubio which differs from GOP orthodoxy?
 
2012-12-06 10:02:09 AM
The rich = "job creators"
The middle-class = "hard-working Americans"
The poor = "hardly-working Americans"
Abortion = "cancellation of pregnancy"
Rape = "a bad time"
Health care = "unregulated market"
Clean energy = "socialism"
Homosexual = "socialist"
Transgendered = "communist"
Hispanic = "illegal immigrant"
TSA = "tough on terrorism"
Muslims = "terrorists"
 
2012-12-06 10:04:24 AM
Say "middle class" as many times as you can.
 
2012-12-06 10:05:33 AM
Its a shame we have to wait two years for the opportunity to crush these bastard for good.
 
2012-12-06 10:06:10 AM

Sock Ruh Tease: [..]

You forgot:
Socialism=Communism=Fascism
 
2012-12-06 10:07:00 AM

Martian_Astronomer: For some reason, I'm reminded of fundamentalist youth pastors who think that they can convince teenagers to hate gays, fear their own bodies, and commit themselves to a literalist hermeneutic if they just play Christian rap music and say "Dude" and "man" a lot when they preach. I can't imagine why, it's totally unrelated...


Their belief system is right because it says it's right. Ergo it's never a problem with the message, but in how you present the message to the non-believers, whether they be non-religious or non-GOP.
 
2012-12-06 10:10:53 AM
"Neither they nor the people they're talking to are ready to accept that they've been wrong about anything except messaging, and until they are, this is just gaseous rhetoric."

This.

It's like tfa's author has been reading my (and others') Fark Politics Tab comments. I can't be so vain, though, it's the obvious conclusion when you take a close look at today's Republicans.

If they want to lead the country to prosperity and strength, they need to stop believing that blessings flow if enough people think according to Republican politically/theologically correct dogma, and propose things that might actually work.

This is public policy we're talking about, this isn't a friggin' church.
 
2012-12-06 10:11:53 AM

Bashar and Asma's Infinite Playlist: Martian_Astronomer: For some reason, I'm reminded of fundamentalist youth pastors who think that they can convince teenagers to hate gays, fear their own bodies, and commit themselves to a literalist hermeneutic if they just play Christian rap music and say "Dude" and "man" a lot when they preach. I can't imagine why, it's totally unrelated...

Their belief system is right because it says it's right. Ergo it's never a problem with the message, but in how you present the message to the non-believers, whether they be non-religious or non-GOP.


Pop Quiz, hotshot. Complete this phrase: "_________ can never fail, it can only BE failed."

a) Communism
b) Socialism
c) Conservatism
d) Libertarianism
 
2012-12-06 10:12:37 AM
Hey middle class, we put a dill pickle spear and a sprig of parsley next to the supply side shiat sandwhich!!!
 
2012-12-06 10:23:59 AM

Sock Ruh Tease: The rich = "job creators"
The middle-class = "hard-working Americans"
The poor = "hardly-working Americans"
Abortion = "cancellation of pregnancy"
Rape = "a bad time"
Health care = "unregulated market"
Clean energy = "socialism"
Homosexual = "socialist"
Transgendered = "communist"
Hispanic = "illegal immigrant"
TSA = "tough on terrorism"
Muslims = "terrorists"

Granny-starver = "deficit hawk"
 
2012-12-06 10:26:09 AM

Uranus Is Huge!: Sock Ruh Tease: The rich = "job creators"
The middle-class = "hard-working Americans"
The poor = "hardly-working Americans"
Abortion = "cancellation of pregnancy"
Rape = "a bad time"
Health care = "unregulated market"
Clean energy = "socialism"
Homosexual = "socialist"
Transgendered = "communist"
Hispanic = "illegal immigrant"
TSA = "tough on terrorism"
Muslims = "terrorists"
Granny-starver = "deficit hawk"

Complete idiot = "numbers guy"
 
2012-12-06 10:26:30 AM
FTA Your ideas are unpopular. Americans don't want them. And they do not work.

This is the GOP's problem in a nutshell.

Fin.
 
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2012-12-06 10:42:12 AM

Martian_Astronomer: For some reason, I'm reminded of fundamentalist youth pastors who think that they can convince teenagers to hate gays, fear their own bodies, and commit themselves to a literalist hermeneutic if they just play Christian rap music and say "Dude" and "man" a lot when they preach. I can't imagine why, it's totally unrelated...


Naw. You've got something there.
They're going through the motions as they see it, but they can't comprehend the underlying reason or purpose. They're just tacking on popular trends (whether it be rock/rap/diversity/environmentalism) to their product, but not changing the product itself. The result is this sort of uncanny valley "ew something's horribly wrong with this" cringe reaction... just like watching Christian rap.

To quote Dell The Funky Homosapian:

But what is funny is you wanted to be down with my crew
But D E L is not down with any clowns or jesters
So I would suggest that ya
try to impress uncle Fester, Dobalina.

Because ya don't impress me Dobalina.
The style of dress is not the key Dobalina.
It's all in the mind and the heart, so you should start
By remembering ya gotta pay a fee Dobalina
 
2012-12-06 10:47:53 AM
The entire concept of what they were doing was invalidated after reading the first 2-5 words in the headline.
 
2012-12-06 10:57:17 AM

Tigger: FTA Your ideas are unpopular. Americans don't want them. And they do not work.

This is the GOP's problem in a nutshell.

Fin.


I think Biden said it well in the VP debate: "Your ideas are old and your ideas are bad".
 
2012-12-06 11:00:35 AM
I saw this coming a million miles away. Several have made the all important step of saying they need to "reach-out" to minorities and women. However, when it comes to actual details or plans, it's nothing but the same old rehashed garbage. Don't want a 10 inch wand stuck in your hoohah after being raped so you can have an abortion? Tough, you should be worried about Fartbongo and the DimmyRATS taxes on medical devices which would make it more expensive for the gyno/minister to buy more rape wands.
 
2012-12-06 11:13:16 AM
Paul Ryan flopped on the national stage. Seriously. People liked him less than Mitt.
 
2012-12-06 11:16:34 AM
You know Fluntz, I mean Frank Luntz, was on the phone once those election results came in ringing up the GOP heavyweights to set up some focus groups and craft new buzzwords to get the spin going and to line his pockets with even more conservative dollars!

Fluntz must have loved the Obama victory.
 
2012-12-06 11:16:42 AM
Paul Ryan's contributing? Is it now a tradition to elevate humiliated vice presidential candidates to the position of party adviser?
 
2012-12-06 11:16:51 AM

InmanRoshi: Hey middle class, we put a dill pickle spear and a sprig of parsley next to the supply side shiat sandwhich!!!


That's socialist! You got to work for pickles
 
2012-12-06 11:26:23 AM

DeaH: Paul Ryan flopped on the national stage. Seriously. People liked him less than Mitt.


To be fair, that was partly because the he was known for exactly one thing and the GOP treated it like an AIDS needle the moment after they picked him.
 
2012-12-06 11:27:15 AM
encycl.opentopia.com
 
2012-12-06 11:30:59 AM

sprawl15: DeaH: Paul Ryan flopped on the national stage. Seriously. People liked him less than Mitt.

To be fair, that was partly because the he was known for exactly one thing and the GOP treated it like an AIDS needle the moment after they picked him.


Yeah. Say what you want about the man or the plan, but that was a piss-poor and ill-conceived strategy.
 
2012-12-06 11:32:14 AM

sprawl15: DeaH: Paul Ryan flopped on the national stage. Seriously. People liked him less than Mitt.

To be fair, that was partly because the he was known for exactly one thing and the GOP treated it like an AIDS needle the moment after they picked him.


That's because they saw how badly it was playing. Paul Ryan is an unlikable guy with bad, unpopular ideas. So look for him to be a front runner in 2016.
 
2012-12-06 12:29:16 PM
Paul Ryan and Marco Rubio lay out vision for the "new and improved" GOP: exactly the same as the old GOP, only with fresh new buzzwords

The Republican Party is stuck in the 1980s. They're getting all Six Sigma and shifting paradigms.
 
2012-12-06 12:48:45 PM
4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-12-06 12:58:17 PM

odinsposse: sprawl15: DeaH: Paul Ryan flopped on the national stage. Seriously. People liked him less than Mitt.

To be fair, that was partly because the he was known for exactly one thing and the GOP treated it like an AIDS needle the moment after they picked him.

That's because they saw how badly it was playing. Paul Ryan is an unlikable guy with bad, unpopular ideas. So look for him to be a front runner in 2016.


And yet, now that the election is over, they bring his plan out again. What a bunch of morans.

I seroiusly cannot believe that the new republican plan is like Pappy O'Daniels son from O Brother Where Art Thou: they are gonna try to get some re-form and their own midget with a broom.
 
2012-12-06 01:00:07 PM

Nina_Hartley's_Ass:


Damn it! I was typing out my response then I had to stop and fo something.

/shakes tiny fist
 
2012-12-06 01:11:33 PM

Bloody William: Paul Ryan's contributing? Is it now a tradition to elevate humiliated vice presidential candidates to the position of party adviser?


It's the Palin Effect. Just wait for his reality show.
 
2012-12-06 01:28:53 PM

verbaltoxin: Paul Ryan and Marco Rubio lay out vision for the "new and improved" GOP: exactly the same as the old GOP, only with fresh new buzzwords

The Republican Party is stuck in the 1980s. They're getting all Six Sigma and shifting paradigms.


I thought the 1980's were all about the "ISO 9000's" (and the 1970's were all about the TQM's (Total Quality Management)?

Although you are right... no matter how you slice it, Six Sigma = ISO 9000 = TQM = Black Belt = 

i.imgur.com
 
2012-12-06 02:06:11 PM
And here I thought they might acquire some modicum of realization after the election.

It's not about "making people like you" you dumb twats. It's not about using the words. Liberals don't just mouth the phrases. They actually mean what they say. They implement the policies, or try to; and that's why people vote for them. You don't, and people know it. You can't say "We like minorities!" without doing something to prove it.

Maybe someday they'll learn. I doubt it, but it could happen.
 
2012-12-06 04:25:05 PM
So while Rubio is talking inclusion he's voting against the UN treaty on the rights of the disabled. How many sides of his mouth can he talk from?
 
2012-12-06 10:50:50 PM
4umf.com

slap a fresh coat of paint on that baby and we're ready for 2014!
 
2012-12-07 01:18:13 AM
Well to be fair, it isn't easy to rebrand stale bullshiat.
 
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