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(The Hollywood Reporter)   Bret Easton Ellis says Kathryn Bigelow was only nominated for a Best Director Oscar because "she's hot"   (hollywoodreporter.com) divider line 139
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2012-12-06 03:41:28 PM  

thecpt: Tommy Moo: To be fair, I have heard that the Hurt Locker is actually quite horrible.

I like it. A lot of people like it. I've seen negative reactions on Fark, mainly from former service men pointing out it's flaws. They probably have merit, but the movie is full of really good and suspenseful scenes. Some others blurt out the word vignettes like its supposed to be negative.

Watch it. Even if you don't like it, you're probably won't think of it as time wasted.


Or you might...that movie sucked HARD and war movies are my favourite genre.

The ONLY cool part was in the trailer when he pulls up the wire out of the sand and ends up surrounded by bombs.
 
2012-12-06 03:49:29 PM  

Rent Party


Military people are the absolute worst to watch any military movie with. It doesn't matter what branch, what MOS, what era. They just can't get it out of their farking heads that it's a goddamn movie, not a farking documentary.


The point - which you seem to be missing, intentionally or otherwise - is that there are miles between "documentary" and "reasonable" and between "reasonable" and "can't even get the little obvious things right".

No one expects a documentary* out of a Hollywood flick. I think what military and doctors and archaeologists and IT types, et al expect is to see the little and obvious things done correctly; it shows that the moviemakers gave enough of a damn to make the effort.


* Or the Spanish Inquisition.
 
2012-12-06 03:56:42 PM  

hp6sa: Tommy Moo: To be fair, I have heard that the Hurt Locker is actually quite horrible.

I haven't seen any of this woman's movies, so I can't say for sure if she's overrated, but let's not pretend that lauding platitudes on attractive women isn't a thing.

I wouldn't say it was horrible. It was just "meh."

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I was left with a feeling of... that's it? That's the ending? What are we supposed to take from that? Some people like combat more than "real life?" Meh.


There are a lot of "serious" films like that. I can appreciate that there is quality filmmaking, but can't say that I like them. I respected Hurt Locker as a piece of work, but have no desire to see it again.

Did her directing convey what the characters were feeling and pull me into the scenes? Yes, very much so. There are definitely Oscar nominations that are pure tokenism, but Bigelow's wasn't one.
 
2012-12-06 03:56:50 PM  

Englebert Slaptyback: Rent Party

Military people are the absolute worst to watch any military movie with. It doesn't matter what branch, what MOS, what era. They just can't get it out of their farking heads that it's a goddamn movie, not a farking documentary.


The point - which you seem to be missing, intentionally or otherwise - is that there are miles between "documentary" and "reasonable" and between "reasonable" and "can't even get the little obvious things right".


That is not the point. Movies are entertainment. They are not expected to be accurate. They are expected to be fictional stories about fictional people doing fictional things to keep us amused for an hour or two. They have no other purpose. Expecting accuracy in *any* field shown in a movie isn't the action of a smart person, it's the action of someone that wants to impress upon people how smart they are.

Hey, that's not how that would happen! This is bullshiat! Someone ask me how I know this so I can impress them!


No one expects a documentary* out of a Hollywood flick. I think what military and doctors and archaeologists and IT types, et al expect is to see the little and obvious things done correctly; it shows that the moviemakers gave enough of a damn to make the effort.


Sure they do. In fact, if the complaint is that they haven't paid enough attention to "little" things, that is *exactly* what they're complaining about. You want real life? Go see Armadillo or Restrepo. Anything else? STFU and enjoy the explosions.



* Or the Spanish Inquisition.


Comfy chair.
 
2012-12-06 04:00:45 PM  

beakerxf: hp6sa: Tommy Moo: To be fair, I have heard that the Hurt Locker is actually quite horrible.

I haven't seen any of this woman's movies, so I can't say for sure if she's overrated, but let's not pretend that lauding platitudes on attractive women isn't a thing.

I wouldn't say it was horrible. It was just "meh."

(mild spoiler alert)
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I was left with a feeling of... that's it? That's the ending? What are we supposed to take from that? Some people like combat more than "real life?" Meh.

There are a lot of "serious" films like that. I can appreciate that there is quality filmmaking, but can't say that I like them. I respected Hurt Locker as a piece of work, but have no desire to see it again.

Did her directing convey what the characters were feeling and pull me into the scenes? Yes, very much so. There are definitely Oscar nominations that are pure tokenism, but Bigelow's wasn't one.


Avatar was tokenism. I still don't get the praise that flick gets. It's not really that great.

/was pleased when The Hurt Locker kicked its ass.
 
2012-12-06 04:04:30 PM  

Strategeryz0r:
Avatar was tokenism. I still don't get the praise that flick gets. It's not really that great.

/was pleased when The Hurt Locker kicked its ass.


I don't get the love that Cameron's biggest films, Titanic or Avatar, get. They're great big gorgeous movies with absolutely no plot or character.
 
2012-12-06 04:08:10 PM  
images2.wikia.nocookie.net


Alec, Alec, regarding that so called "silent" propulsion
system in "The Hunt For Red October", I've printed out a list
of technical errors which I think you'd enjoy discussing.
 
2012-12-06 04:11:00 PM  

Rent Party


That is not the point. Movies are entertainment. They are not expected to be accurate. They are expected to be fictional stories about fictional people doing fictional things to keep us amused for an hour or two.


YOU don't expect them to be accurate, and that's fine of course; to each his own. If the environment and other things in the movie are all fictional, that's great, but when a movie depicts a modern-day location and modern-day profession it would be nice if they did so with at least a bare minimum of attention to obvious details. That information is incredibly easy to acquire and it's a little jarring to see glaring mistakes.

We'll probably have to agree to disagree, but you're a Python fan so you're not all bad. :-)
 
2012-12-06 04:23:25 PM  

Rent Party: Strategeryz0r:
Avatar was tokenism. I still don't get the praise that flick gets. It's not really that great.

/was pleased when The Hurt Locker kicked its ass.

I don't get the love that Cameron's biggest films, Titanic or Avatar, get. They're great big gorgeous movies with absolutely no plot or character.


Yea Cameron is past his prime. He's a great director who knows how to put excellent SFX to use. But his flicks stopped having any tangible plots after True Lies.

Titanic was just an excuse for him to go "zomg I love researching the ocean." Though, I wont argue with naked Kate Winslet.

Avatar was just proof that his special effects dick is bigger than everyone elses(since the plot was ripped off).

And now he's making 20 billion Avatar movies.
 
2012-12-06 04:27:20 PM  

Englebert Slaptyback: Rent Party

That is not the point. Movies are entertainment. They are not expected to be accurate. They are expected to be fictional stories about fictional people doing fictional things to keep us amused for an hour or two.


YOU don't expect them to be accurate, and that's fine of course; to each his own.



And that brings us right back to my original statement, which is never watch military movies with military people. That can be extrapolated to never watch tech movies with tech people, or any movie about anything if you hang out with pedants.


We'll probably have to agree to disagree, but you're a Python fan so you're not all bad. :-)


Neee-wom!
 
2012-12-06 04:31:05 PM  

Rent Party: That can be extrapolated to never watch tech movies with tech people, or any movie about anything if you hang out with pedants.


LIES! One of the best movie watching experiences I ever had involved a bunch of tech guys, a shiatload of booze, and the movie Hackers.

Which, if you know anything about hacking or tech shiat in general, portrays hacking about as accurately as 1942 portrayed WW2.
 
2012-12-06 04:34:10 PM  

Strategeryz0r: Rent Party: That can be extrapolated to never watch tech movies with tech people, or any movie about anything if you hang out with pedants.

LIES! One of the best movie watching experiences I ever had involved a bunch of tech guys, a shiatload of booze, and the movie Hackers.

Which, if you know anything about hacking or tech shiat in general, portrays hacking about as accurately as 1942 portrayed WW2.


The difference, though, is that while hackers sucked balls, 1942 was a masterpiece.

Another one to watch, in the "exception that proves the rule" mold. Get a bunch of motorcyclists together for a double billing of Biker Boyz and Torque.
 
2012-12-06 04:36:13 PM  

Rent Party: Strategeryz0r: Rent Party: That can be extrapolated to never watch tech movies with tech people, or any movie about anything if you hang out with pedants.

LIES! One of the best movie watching experiences I ever had involved a bunch of tech guys, a shiatload of booze, and the movie Hackers.

Which, if you know anything about hacking or tech shiat in general, portrays hacking about as accurately as 1942 portrayed WW2.

The difference, though, is that while hackers sucked balls, 1942 was a masterpiece.

Another one to watch, in the "exception that proves the rule" mold. Get a bunch of motorcyclists together for a double billing of Biker Boyz and Torque.


Hackers is incredib.....ly bad. But it's one of those so bad its amazing flicks. Seriously watching them drool over a pentium 133 with a 14.4 still makes me bust up laughing to this day.

That's not even counting the weird' virtual reality eye piece thing, the custom operating systems they all have, and how their LCD monitors project on to their faces.
 
2012-12-06 04:40:00 PM  
www2.pictures.zimbio.com
 
2012-12-06 04:40:21 PM  

Strategeryz0r


Hackers is incredib.....ly bad. But it's one of those so bad its amazing flicks. Seriously watching them drool over a pentium 133 with a 14.4 still makes me bust up laughing to this day.


How could you forget that they had a 28.8bps modem?? Not a 28.8Kbps, a 28.8bps. 


See, Rent Party? That's a perfect example of a glaring mistake that could have been - and should have been - caught easily. Of course it's not the worst transgression in 'Hackers'...
 
2012-12-06 04:48:07 PM  

Strategeryz0r:
Hackers is incredib.....ly bad. But it's one of those so bad its amazing flicks. Seriously watching them drool over a pentium 133 with a 14.4 still makes me bust up laughing to this day.

That's not even counting the weird' virtual reality eye piece thing, the custom operating systems they all have, and how their LCD monitors project on to their faces.


Personally, I hate any movie or scene in a movie that amounts to "furious typing." First off, it's boring. Second off, even people that aren't furious typers recognize it as a cheap way to move a plot along. Even the latest Bond film has fallen back into that trap.

What was that movie with Halley Barry's tits in it? Where the guy furious typed his way into the Super Secret Account with a gun to his head and getting beejer at the same time? I have a half written script about a guy getting blackmailed into cracking pharmaceutical systems. It's written in as realistic manner as possible. He lays out his plan, using social engineering to gaining physical access to the data centers he is trying to break. He is getting threatened by Mean Thug Blackmailer to hurry it up. He better get on that computer and do some furious typing. Protagonist says, "Why don't you blow me and we'll see if that speeds things up."

I wrote that as an homage to Halley Barry's tits.

/ Furious
// Typing
 
2012-12-06 04:48:16 PM  

Englebert Slaptyback: Strategeryz0r

Hackers is incredib.....ly bad. But it's one of those so bad its amazing flicks. Seriously watching them drool over a pentium 133 with a 14.4 still makes me bust up laughing to this day.


How could you forget that they had a 28.8bps modem?? Not a 28.8Kbps, a 28.8bps. 


See, Rent Party? That's a perfect example of a glaring mistake that could have been - and should have been - caught easily. Of course it's not the worst transgression in 'Hackers'...


Well if you wanna be technical about it =P

/never seen that movie stone cold sober.
 
2012-12-06 04:51:52 PM  

Rent Party: Strategeryz0r:
Hackers is incredib.....ly bad. But it's one of those so bad its amazing flicks. Seriously watching them drool over a pentium 133 with a 14.4 still makes me bust up laughing to this day.

That's not even counting the weird' virtual reality eye piece thing, the custom operating systems they all have, and how their LCD monitors project on to their faces.

Personally, I hate any movie or scene in a movie that amounts to "furious typing." First off, it's boring. Second off, even people that aren't furious typers recognize it as a cheap way to move a plot along. Even the latest Bond film has fallen back into that trap.

What was that movie with Halley Barry's tits in it? Where the guy furious typed his way into the Super Secret Account with a gun to his head and getting beejer at the same time? I have a half written script about a guy getting blackmailed into cracking pharmaceutical systems. It's written in as realistic manner as possible. He lays out his plan, using social engineering to gaining physical access to the data centers he is trying to break. He is getting threatened by Mean Thug Blackmailer to hurry it up. He better get on that computer and do some furious typing. Protagonist says, "Why don't you blow me and we'll see if that speeds things up."

I wrote that as an homage to Halley Barry's tits.

/ Furious
// Typing


Swordfish. Yet another flick that is a blast to watch with tech geeks.

Whenever you watch a movie like that take a drink every time something that is technologically impossible or completely inaccurate occurs. You'll be blato before the flick is a 1/4 of the way over.

Stipulation: When you drink you must say why it was wrong. If someone can prove that it's plausible everybody but the smart guy has to finish their drinks(or take a shot, your choice). The rare time this happens you will hate the person who was too dumb to know it was a possibility. Yes pauses may be required, but it spawns some entertaining discussions and debates.

Oh and gets you REALLY drunk.
 
2012-12-06 04:55:00 PM  

Tommy Moo: To be fair, I have heard that the Hurt Locker is actually quite horrible.

I haven't seen any of this woman's movies, so I can't say for sure if she's overrated, but let's not pretend that lauding platitudes on attractive women isn't a thing.


So... you admit you don't know shiat, but still have an opinion on the subject? Good to know.
 
2012-12-06 04:57:16 PM  

swahnhennessy: I dunno. Seeing some pictures of Bigelow you say, "Oh hell yes!" In others, you say, "Probably not." She can be stunning in some instances and borderline ugly in others.


That "zzzzzooomm!" sound you just heard overhead is the point.
 
2012-12-06 05:03:54 PM  

Strategeryz0r:
Swordfish.


That's the one. Halley's tits.


Yet another flick that is a blast to watch with tech geeks.

Whenever you watch a movie like that take a drink every time something that is technologically impossible or completely inaccurate occurs. You'll be blato before the flick is a 1/4 of the way over.


Well, to my original point, this is true of *any* movie, which is why you shouldn't watch them with pedants. The English Patient would make you cry if you watched it with a history buff.

I take an alternate view. A movie is not rated on accuracy, it is rated on a five star system. You get one star for the following (and you can adjust it to taste)

1. Explosions and or car chases
2. Gunfights
3. Spaceships
4. Monsters and or zombies
5. Tits/Gratuitous sex

It is this system that tells me Starship Troopers is the greatest movie ever made.
 
2012-12-06 05:06:16 PM  

Rent Party: Strategeryz0r:
Swordfish.


That's the one. Halley's tits.


Yet another flick that is a blast to watch with tech geeks.

Whenever you watch a movie like that take a drink every time something that is technologically impossible or completely inaccurate occurs. You'll be blato before the flick is a 1/4 of the way over.


Well, to my original point, this is true of *any* movie, which is why you shouldn't watch them with pedants. The English Patient would make you cry if you watched it with a history buff.

I take an alternate view. A movie is not rated on accuracy, it is rated on a five star system. You get one star for the following (and you can adjust it to taste)

1. Explosions and or car chases
2. Gunfights
3. Spaceships
4. Monsters and or zombies
5. Tits/Gratuitous sex

It is this system that tells me Starship Troopers is the greatest movie ever made.


cdn.pjmedia.com
 
2012-12-06 05:16:23 PM  

Rent Party: Strategeryz0r:
Hackers is incredib.....ly bad. But it's one of those so bad its amazing flicks. Seriously watching them drool over a pentium 133 with a 14.4 still makes me bust up laughing to this day.

That's not even counting the weird' virtual reality eye piece thing, the custom operating systems they all have, and how their LCD monitors project on to their faces.

Personally, I hate any movie or scene in a movie that amounts to "furious typing." First off, it's boring. Second off, even people that aren't furious typers recognize it as a cheap way to move a plot along. Even the latest Bond film has fallen back into that trap.

What was that movie with Halley Barry's tits in it? Where the guy furious typed his way into the Super Secret Account with a gun to his head and getting beejer at the same time? I have a half written script about a guy getting blackmailed into cracking pharmaceutical systems. It's written in as realistic manner as possible. He lays out his plan, using social engineering to gaining physical access to the data centers he is trying to break. He is getting threatened by Mean Thug Blackmailer to hurry it up. He better get on that computer and do some furious typing. Protagonist says, "Why don't you blow me and we'll see if that speeds things up."

I wrote that as an homage to Halley Barry's tits.

/ Furious
// Typing


Don't forget that it was stored on the last Vax PDP-11 on the internet. On TAPE and he still finished in time.
 
2012-12-06 05:22:58 PM  

Felix_T_Cat:
Don't forget that it was stored on the last Vax PDP-11 on the internet. On TAPE and he still finished in time.


I thought the most bogus thing about it is that everyone knows furious typing attacks are better accomplished via the Reverse Cowgirl, rather than straight oral.
 
2012-12-06 05:39:20 PM  

Incorrigible Astronaut: Yeah, once Bateman opened his locker to look at the bag full of disembodied vaginas early in the book, I figured that I was reading the literary equivalent of a Troma movie.


A good friend of mine works for Troma, he'll get a kick out of that comment lol 

I legit just laughed my ass off tho, kudos!
 
2012-12-06 06:03:55 PM  

FLMountainMan: I guess this comment got lost in the recent political monkey-poo flinging:

Rawhead Rex: American Psycho is probably the greatest American novel ever written...

Yes, I mean that.

Is that the only American novel you've read? I wouldn't even put it in my top twenty. Hell, there's a Stephen King novel or two I might put above it.


Well, being that it takes place in the 80's, in the biggest city in America...
And relies heavily on fashion and technology descriptions...

And, well...you being a "mountain man"..

Of course you don't "get it".
 
2012-12-06 06:05:42 PM  
The Hurt Locker IS overrated... in its screenplay. There were plot holes you can drive a truck through. The overall plot was fine, good even, but there were too many flaws, military-wise, that prevented me from enjoying it. I'm not even in the military, or even close to it.

Nothing against the direction, though. That was the good part of it. I think Bigelow deserved the Oscar, but the movie didn't deserve Best Picture at all. Classic Academy politics.
 
2012-12-06 06:22:45 PM  

doczoidberg: Am I the only one who finds American Psycho the movie to be better than the book?

I couldn't get through that book. The endless descriptions of friggin' clothing drove me insane, and I couldn't concentrate on what was happening.



The movie is fantastic. The book is absolute crap.

I link to this post everytime I see a Bret Easton Ellis thread, and it never gets less true: http://tigerbeatdown.com/2011/08/09/landmarks-of-lady-hate-presents-a m erican-psycho-or-despite-all-my-rage-i-am-still-just-a-rat-in-a-vagina / 
 
2012-12-06 06:58:03 PM  

Rawhead Rex: FLMountainMan: I guess this comment got lost in the recent political monkey-poo flinging:

Rawhead Rex: American Psycho is probably the greatest American novel ever written...

Yes, I mean that.

Is that the only American novel you've read? I wouldn't even put it in my top twenty. Hell, there's a Stephen King novel or two I might put above it.

Well, being that it takes place in the 80's, in the biggest city in America...
And relies heavily on fashion and technology descriptions...

And, well...you being a "mountain man"..

Of course you don't "get it".


Yes, of course. If only my handle were that of an awful 80's horror movie with no artistic value whatsover, then I would be able to criticize American Psycho.

Are you trolling or did you honestly not see that retort coming when you made that post?
 
2012-12-06 08:36:15 PM  

Orgasmatron138: I liked the book American Psycho, but I have to say I enjoyed the film version more. Just one of those rare occasions.


which happens to be directed by a woman (Mary Harron).

/Just saying
//He's an ass
 
2012-12-06 08:40:11 PM  

Broom: Tommy Moo: To be fair, I have heard that the Hurt Locker is actually quite horrible.

I haven't seen any of this woman's movies, so I can't say for sure if she's overrated, but let's not pretend that lauding platitudes on attractive women isn't a thing.

So... you admit you don't know shiat, but still have an opinion on the subject? Good to know.


I don't know shiat about particle physics, but when lots of my friends with PhDs in the field tell me something, I listen. It isn't my opinion; I'm just sharing the fact that many, many people have told me that this movie is overrated, including a plurality of this thread.
 
2012-12-06 08:59:16 PM  
I lost a lot of respect for the movie when I began learning that soldiers generally hate it for the protagonist's cowboy attitude.

I don't think it's likely that the Academy gave best picture to Bigelow because she was hot though.

Also, Bret Easton Ellis is kind of a horrible human being.
 
2012-12-06 11:58:55 PM  

flux: Epicedion: Strange Days?

Such a great film. I still think of it as the best example of cyberpunk film. It even has all the tropes of a Willam Gibson novel: fringe technology, a cynical hustler protagonist, a strong, street-smart chick, both trying to keep sensitive data from falling into the wrong hands. Really worth a watch to anyone who hasn't seen it.


All of this. Still in my top 10 films.
 
2012-12-07 12:00:54 AM  

hasty ambush: thecpt: Tommy Moo: To be fair, I have heard that the Hurt Locker is actually quite horrible.

I like it. A lot of people like it. I've seen negative reactions on Fark, mainly from former service men pointing out it's flaws. They probably have merit, but the movie is full of really good and suspenseful scenes. Some others blurt out the word vignettes like its supposed to be negative.

Watch it. Even if you don't like it, you're probably won't think of it as time wasted.

As a former service type I thought the hurt locker was a steaming pile. I had hoped she would stay away from military movies a pick another genre she would be more suited for (like chick flicks). But given the high level of ignorance (and contempt) Hollywood as displayed in recent years about the military and the poor quality of films they have put out she is really not the worse one to direct a military film.


I agree she should stick to chick flicks. My girl's night could use a new Point Break classic type movie right now.
 
2012-12-07 12:46:24 AM  

optional: I lost a lot of respect for the movie when I began learning that soldiers generally hate it for the protagonist's cowboy attitude.


You might consider that is because soldiers generally hate other soldiers with that kind of cowboy attitude.

I thought that was pretty well reflected in the film, too. In fact, I think it was a fairly major plot point.
 
2012-12-07 05:11:28 AM  
no no..she got nominated for being a propagandist of the worst sort...

more war monkey movies yay...

/patriot gun nut pro war closeted man rage starts in 10...9...8...
 
2012-12-07 08:14:37 AM  

mekki: hp6sa: Tommy Moo: To be fair, I have heard that the Hurt Locker is actually quite horrible.

I haven't seen any of this woman's movies, so I can't say for sure if she's overrated, but let's not pretend that lauding platitudes on attractive women isn't a thing.

I wouldn't say it was horrible. It was just "meh."

(mild spoiler alert)
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I was left with a feeling of... that's it? That's the ending? What are we supposed to take from that? Some people like combat more than "real life?" Meh.

The way I saw it, The Hurt Locker is a drug flick disguising itself as a war movie. You have this addict who is willing to do anything, go down the deepest lows, even to the point of almost willing to die in order to get his fix, which is the adrenaline rush. The fact that he chose the rush over his son as the only thing he could really ever love completely with the movie ending with him heading back into the metaphoric drug den illustrates this.


Yep, but I take it a step further. What I got was not only the addiction angle, but the mental and emotional damage this person has suffered as a result of the war and how we don't take care of veterans. He is incapable of being able to emotional connect with any human beings now, but is sent back into the grinder with a disregard for his mental state.

I do not understand how people can say that movie was at a pro-war jingoistic raw raw flag waving 'Murican fark yeah! flick.
 
2012-12-07 09:04:20 AM  

YodaBlues: mekki: hp6sa: Tommy Moo: To be fair, I have heard that the Hurt Locker is actually quite horrible.

I haven't seen any of this woman's movies, so I can't say for sure if she's overrated, but let's not pretend that lauding platitudes on attractive women isn't a thing.

I wouldn't say it was horrible. It was just "meh."

(mild spoiler alert)
.
.
.
.
I was left with a feeling of... that's it? That's the ending? What are we supposed to take from that? Some people like combat more than "real life?" Meh.

The way I saw it, The Hurt Locker is a drug flick disguising itself as a war movie. You have this addict who is willing to do anything, go down the deepest lows, even to the point of almost willing to die in order to get his fix, which is the adrenaline rush. The fact that he chose the rush over his son as the only thing he could really ever love completely with the movie ending with him heading back into the metaphoric drug den illustrates this.

Yep, but I take it a step further. What I got was not only the addiction angle, but the mental and emotional damage this person has suffered as a result of the war and how we don't take care of veterans. He is incapable of being able to emotional connect with any human beings now, but is sent back into the grinder with a disregard for his mental state.

I do not understand how people can say that movie was at a pro-war jingoistic raw raw flag waving 'Murican fark yeah! flick.


Exactly this. The movie was not pro-war. It followed a mental breakdown of someone strung out on adrenaline.
Is Jeremy Renner fun to watch being a badass? Certainly, I was very much entertained. But hes not supposed to be Captain America: the ideal team player and you aren't supposed to see him as such and the movie does an excellent job of showing how he isn't that person. (Although the sniper scene sort of turns this on its head temporarily. He becomes a team player to help the sergeant while the private is pissing his pants behind the hill/rock thing).
 
2012-12-07 02:36:59 PM  
Well, she is pretty hot for a 61-year old. I had to google it twice to believe it.
 
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