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(Pittsburgh Post-Gazette)   Smashing Pumpkins refuse to wallow in past, instead, wallow in present   (post-gazette.com) divider line 51
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2012-12-06 09:22:58 AM  
Homer Simpson, smiling politely.
 
2012-12-06 11:35:03 AM  
Is he still in love with his sadness? Or did he grow the fark up?
 
2012-12-06 11:58:11 AM  
exclaim.ca

Her true love.....
 
2012-12-06 12:39:32 PM  
Simply the most overrated band ever.
 
2012-12-06 12:41:58 PM  

OtherBrotherDarryl: Simply the most overrated band ever.


There is that word again.

/not 'band'
 
2012-12-06 12:45:32 PM  
Billy may be a douche, but he's not actually wrong here.

OtherBrotherDarryl: Simply the most overrated band ever.


No, Gish/Siamese Dream/Mellon Collie were pretty awesome, and they even had some great stuff on the B-side albums (PI, TAFH).
 
2012-12-06 12:47:27 PM  

Fallout Zone: Billy may be a douche, but he's not actually wrong here.

OtherBrotherDarryl: Simply the most overrated band ever.

No, Gish/Siamese Dream/Mellon Collie were pretty awesome, and they even had some great stuff on the B-side albums (PI, TAFH).


I am a big fan of Adore but I know I am alone.
 
2012-12-06 12:47:28 PM  
The first 3 SP records were good. I still listen to them. Jimmy Chamberlain is one of the best drummers in the industry.

Early 90's were a great time for music. And a few other things.
 
2012-12-06 12:47:34 PM  

Gunny Highway: OtherBrotherDarryl: Simply the most overrated band ever.

There is that word again.

/not 'band'


'the'?
 
2012-12-06 12:49:26 PM  
He is right. The Rolling Stones is the greatest cover band ever. They do their own songs.
 
2012-12-06 12:50:18 PM  

StrangeQ: Gunny Highway: OtherBrotherDarryl: Simply the most overrated band ever.

There is that word again.

/not 'band'

'the'?


Bingo.
 
2012-12-06 12:51:33 PM  

Gunny Highway: Fallout Zone: Billy may be a douche, but he's not actually wrong here.

OtherBrotherDarryl: Simply the most overrated band ever.

No, Gish/Siamese Dream/Mellon Collie were pretty awesome, and they even had some great stuff on the B-side albums (PI, TAFH).

I am a big fan of Adore but I know I am alone.


I really like Ava Adore but the rest of that album is really meh.
 
2012-12-06 12:52:32 PM  

Fallout Zone: Billy may be a douche, but he's not actually wrong here.

OtherBrotherDarryl: Simply the most overrated band ever.

No, Gish/Siamese Dream/Mellon Collie were pretty awesome, and they even had some great stuff on the B-side albums (PI, TAFH).


He's not wrong in the sense that playing albums in their entirety has become, as he says, a "business model".

But he's delirious if he thinks that many people want to hear every song on the new album. The majority of people that would attend a Pumpkins show are there because they want to hear the songs they remember from the 90's.
 
2012-12-06 12:54:10 PM  
He's right, though, regarding touring for performing old/classic material:

"I kept saying, no, not only are we not going to do it, I'm morally opposed to the idea because it's become this new business model, which I think overall is really bad for the touring business," he says. "Once you create that culture, you can't go back from it. It's a greatest hits culture. Once that's all it becomes, then it's really difficult to play new music."
 
2012-12-06 01:11:43 PM  

Gunny Highway: Fallout Zone: Billy may be a douche, but he's not actually wrong here.

OtherBrotherDarryl: Simply the most overrated band ever.

No, Gish/Siamese Dream/Mellon Collie were pretty awesome, and they even had some great stuff on the B-side albums (PI, TAFH).

I am a big fan of Adore but I know I am alone.


Actually, I like a few songs on that album.

After that one though, they lost me. It just didn't sound like "them" anymore.

Didn't D'Arcy get arrested for a DUI or something not long ago?
 
2012-12-06 01:12:04 PM  
not a fan of corgan or the pumpkins but I'm 100% on board with his point of view here in this article.

www.expiredmusic.tumblr.com
 
2012-12-06 01:19:24 PM  
So he doesn't want to play their old stuff because he doesn't want to be a part of the "greatest hits" culture. I can understand that, even though if I went to one of their shows, I would want to hear their early stuff.

However, I would like to know how he reconciles that with the fact they have reissued Siamese Dream and Mellon Collie. So he doesn't want to play Mellon Collie, but if you want to play $50 for the digital download or up to $250 for a deluxe package, then he's okay with that?
 
2012-12-06 01:23:08 PM  

Fallout Zone: Billy may be a douche, but he's not actually wrong here.

OtherBrotherDarryl: Simply the most overrated band ever.

No, Gish/Siamese Dream/Mellon Collie were pretty awesome, and they even had some great stuff on the B-side albums (PI, TAFH).


Everything this.
 
2012-12-06 01:24:29 PM  

Gunny Highway: Fallout Zone: Billy may be a douche, but he's not actually wrong here.

OtherBrotherDarryl: Simply the most overrated band ever.

No, Gish/Siamese Dream/Mellon Collie were pretty awesome, and they even had some great stuff on the B-side albums (PI, TAFH).

I am a big fan of Adore but I know I am alone.


I liked it, too
 
2012-12-06 01:37:32 PM  

Sybarite: Homer Simpson, smiling politely.


What a bitter sweet reminder of what a great show that use to be.
 
2012-12-06 01:49:27 PM  
Corgan's been involved in some memorable music. Gish / Siamese Dream always make me a little nostalgic for that time of my life. I didn't have a pot to piss in but I managed to have a good times...damn good times.

Having said that, why does BC feel obligated to have a female bassist, Asian guitarist and white drummer this go round?
 
2012-12-06 01:52:54 PM  

El Brujo: He's right, though, regarding touring for performing old/classic material:


I can tolerate Billy just fine when he talks about anything regarding the music industry in general from a high-level perspective. Very intelligent dude and was one of the first (among mainstream musicians) to "get" the use and proliferation of new media, etc.

Damn near any other topic he gets on however, and he can become an annoying twat.
 
2012-12-06 02:01:32 PM  
I don't understand what they mean, and I could really give a fark.
 
2012-12-06 02:06:07 PM  

Gunny Highway: Fallout Zone: Billy may be a douche, but he's not actually wrong here.

OtherBrotherDarryl: Simply the most overrated band ever.

No, Gish/Siamese Dream/Mellon Collie were pretty awesome, and they even had some great stuff on the B-side albums (PI, TAFH).

I am a big fan of Adore but I know I am alone.


Nah. That's one of my favorites. It's a nighttime album.
 
2012-12-06 02:14:15 PM  
Once that's all it becomes, then it's really difficult to play new music."

That's true, but the "8 new songs + hits" setlist sucks. A lot of fans weren't fans when your first album came out, even if your band's only been popular for five years or so.

I'll agree that "Weezer plays blue album, in order" is kind of a lame show, but bands forget that listeners want to hear old songs, album tracks and b-sides too. Maybe sets are just too short, but I doubt SP had that problem past Mellon Collie.
 
2012-12-06 02:16:49 PM  

NashMcNash: But he's delirious if he thinks that many people want to hear every song on the new album. The majority of people that would attend a Pumpkins show are there because they want to hear the songs they remember from the 90's.


Well then. Kudos to the artist telling you up front that ain't gonna happen so you don't have to waste your money. He's not an idiot - he knows somewhere deep down inside that he could make more money playing the hits but is choosing not to do that. Which is fine.
 
2012-12-06 02:18:06 PM  

daysofinspiration: So he doesn't want to play their old stuff because he doesn't want to be a part of the "greatest hits" culture. I can understand that, even though if I went to one of their shows, I would want to hear their early stuff.

However, I would like to know how he reconciles that with the fact they have reissued Siamese Dream and Mellon Collie. So he doesn't want to play Mellon Collie, but if you want to play $50 for the digital download or up to $250 for a deluxe package, then he's okay with that?


Yes he is, and he flat-out says so in the article. He's going to tour on new music with a new lineup, and if you want the hits, stay home and listen to them.

/Pumpkins was always Billy Corgan writing and recording 80-90% of it, so I don't know why they want to see D'Arcy or James Iha that much.
 
2012-12-06 02:20:10 PM  

daysofinspiration: So he doesn't want to play their old stuff because he doesn't want to be a part of the "greatest hits" culture. I can understand that, even though if I went to one of their shows, I would want to hear their early stuff.

However, I would like to know how he reconciles that with the fact they have reissued Siamese Dream and Mellon Collie. So he doesn't want to play Mellon Collie, but if you want to play $50 for the digital download or up to $250 for a deluxe package, then he's okay with that?


This.
Also, if you're charging $42/ticket at huge venues then you're still part of the "greatest hits" culture, Billy. If you'd like to play only newer material then more power to you, but advertise the shows as such and play smaller venues. The only reason that many people are going to be willing to buy tickets is because they expect to hear you play Cherub Rock (which is not a bad thing).
 
2012-12-06 02:27:26 PM  
Guided by Voices has always handled this balancing act pretty well. They open with some of the new stuff, and then around the second hour, they play the more popular tunes, and going into the 3rd hour, they do some off the wall stuff that makes the show feel special and unique. (Once, heard their cover of "Five Years;" Another show, they did a 20 minute version of "Lethargy.")
 
2012-12-06 02:38:00 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2012-12-06 02:42:16 PM  
I like how he's replaced previous band members with fairly reasonable facsimiles.

Chick bassist - check

Asian guitarist - check
 
2012-12-06 02:46:51 PM  
I've always liked the musical aspect of the Pumpkins but his top-of-the-throat singing and nasaly whining is as annoying as fark (note the lower case f in fark, denoting the swear word and not the website).
 
2012-12-06 03:05:37 PM  

Killer Cars: El Brujo: He's right, though, regarding touring for performing old/classic material:

I can tolerate Billy just fine when he talks about anything regarding the music industry in general from a high-level perspective. Very intelligent dude and was one of the first (among mainstream musicians) to "get" the use and proliferation of new media, etc.

Damn near any other topic he gets on however, and he can become an annoying twat.


agree
 
2012-12-06 03:14:19 PM  

Gunny Highway: OtherBrotherDarryl: Simply the most overrated band ever.

There is that word again.

/not 'band'


I agree that the word "overrated" is overused. It should only ever be applied to Oasis.

And Smashing Pumpkins.

/"overrated" does not necessarily equal "bad"; I like one or two songs by each of those bands 
//if you think about it objectively, everybody overrates their favorite thing
///welcome to the age of Nate Silver
 
2012-12-06 03:21:15 PM  

OtherBrotherDarryl: Simply the most overrated band ever.


This a thousand times. Although DMB is close
 
2012-12-06 03:29:38 PM  
Anyone heard the "Mellon Collie" remasters yet? I just downloaded it to see if it was worth my time, as I grew to love the original, and now it's a 5-CD set... here's my first reaction so far:

"Random samplings. CD 3, 'Morning Tea', Song #1: "Tonight, Tonight - Strings Only Mix" ... utterly badass. #19 "Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness (Home Piano Version)" -- sounds like it was recorded on a worn-out answering machine tape, in mono, over a phone, inside of a shoebox in another room. Hmmm. Let me get back to you, I have a lot to listen to."
 
2012-12-06 03:38:21 PM  

Minus 1 Charisma: daysofinspiration: So he doesn't want to play their old stuff because he doesn't want to be a part of the "greatest hits" culture. I can understand that, even though if I went to one of their shows, I would want to hear their early stuff.

However, I would like to know how he reconciles that with the fact they have reissued Siamese Dream and Mellon Collie. So he doesn't want to play Mellon Collie, but if you want to play $50 for the digital download or up to $250 for a deluxe package, then he's okay with that?

This.
Also, if you're charging $42/ticket at huge venues then you're still part of the "greatest hits" culture, Billy. If you'd like to play only newer material then more power to you, but advertise the shows as such and play smaller venues. The only reason that many people are going to be willing to buy tickets is because they expect to hear you play Cherub Rock (which is not a bad thing).


High ticket prices doesn't necessarily mean you're playing greatest hits.

Radiohead charges like a thousand dollars a ticket and I've heard that they refuse to play any song they wrote more than a few days before the show.
 
2012-12-06 04:10:53 PM  
Gish and Siamese Dream are great. After that, meh.
 
2012-12-06 04:48:47 PM  

EyeballKid: I don't understand what they mean, and I could really give a fark.


Smashing Pumpkins are little higher on the food chain musically.

So it's understandable to have your average lukewarm IQ, Beavis and Butthead types that wont 'get' their music.
 
2012-12-06 04:49:56 PM  
Corgan....I don't want to be a greatest hits band, that is lame.

Corgan....that Zwan thing wasn't paying the bills, time to bring back my moneymaker.

Insufferable douche, Corgan is thy name.
 
2012-12-06 05:26:27 PM  

JohnBigBootay: NashMcNash: But he's delirious if he thinks that many people want to hear every song on the new album. The majority of people that would attend a Pumpkins show are there because they want to hear the songs they remember from the 90's.

Well then. Kudos to the artist telling you up front that ain't gonna happen so you don't have to waste your money. He's not an idiot - he knows somewhere deep down inside that he could make more money playing the hits but is choosing not to do that. Which is fine.


Business plans do not work that way!
 
2012-12-06 05:29:51 PM  

Godscrack: EyeballKid: I don't understand what they mean, and I could really give a fark.

Smashing Pumpkins are little higher on the food chain musically.

So it's understandable to have your average lukewarm IQ, Beavis and Butthead types that wont 'get' their music.


He was quoting a Pavement song.
"Range Life"
 
2012-12-06 06:44:54 PM  
I grew up on Pumpkins, but didn't get a chance to see them live until he came back in the Zeitgeist era. Jimmy was still around and it was nearly a 3 hour show. Would have loved some more classics, but felt pretty good about it.

Saw them again in the Kaleidoskope era and the new drummer sucked, but he broke his kit which meant Billy playing a few acoustic songs. Disarm, Stumbaline, etc. Was nice

Zeitgeist had a few good tracks, all Teargarden was miserable
 
2012-12-06 06:46:59 PM  
I hate to say this, but I kind of agree with him. The past two times I saw The Faint I believe they played the same setlist. Given that they released two albums during that period, I was kind of shocked. I love the old stuff, but how about throwing in a few new tracks?
 
2012-12-06 08:28:41 PM  

Minus 1 Charisma: If you'd like to play only newer material then more power to you, but advertise the shows as such and play smaller venues. The only reason that many people are going to be willing to buy tickets is because they expect to hear you play Cherub Rock (which is not a bad thing).


Anyone still following the Pumpkins these days knows what the score is. He's very open about wanting to play a lot of new stuff, has been for a while, and playing primarily new stuff has been their MO for as long as they've been around.
 
Skr
2012-12-06 11:13:01 PM  
I get what he is saying. I suppose I have had the benefit of seeing SP a handful of times during Siamese Dream, Melancholy, and Adore era that I wouldn't mind a show of new music.
I've liked a few sporadic songs off the last few albums but I haven't been able to just through the CDs on repeat for hours like I could with Gish, SD, or Melancholy.
 
2012-12-06 11:21:39 PM  
The Smashing Pumpkins were like a clarion call to me. It said: Yes, rock and roll is truly, finally, completely, irretrievably dead. No pulse. You can stick a fork in it.

Say good night, Gracie.
 
2012-12-07 12:12:33 AM  
FTFA: That's because "Oceania," with its epic sweep, stands alongside the band's best work.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
No.
 
2012-12-07 12:35:51 AM  
Some of the worst tones ever recorded.
 
2012-12-07 01:36:48 AM  
FTA:

"In my case, the one thing I can say is, I am the auteur of the Smashing Pumpkins sound and vision. I did most of the recording, and I'm pretty invested in how to portray it. If the fact that I wrote all the songs isn't enough for you, that I recorded most of the albums by myself isn't enough for you, then, cool, I don't know what to do."

No Jimmy Chamberlin, no Smashing Pumpkins, you pompous ass. You can take credit for the sound all you want, but people aren't that stupid. We recognize Jimmy's sound and style, and Mike Byrne will never, ever be able to duplicate him.
 
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