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(Talking Points Memo)   So, it turns out that voting for the guy that never witnessed poverty once in his life and not having it work out has forced the GOP to rethink their whole "you poor people don't work, get a goddamn job" mindset   (tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com) divider line 119
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2012-12-06 09:27:33 AM
"We're gonna help you by making sure you're beat down enough to accept whatever piss-ass jizz-mopping minimum wage shiat-wallowing job we offer you."
 
2012-12-06 09:48:14 AM
i219.photobucket.com
 
2012-12-06 09:57:26 AM
Saying the phrase "middle class" more is meaningless if you don't change any of your policies.

Can someone tell me a single new policy proposal to help poor and middle class people from Rubio which differs from GOP orthodoxy?
 
2012-12-06 10:20:57 AM
In a dinner with wealthy fundraisers, Mitt Romney dismissed 47 percent of voters as hopeless "victims" who would never accept personal responsibility, let alone a Republican president. The next crop of presidential hopefuls is determined to not make the same mistake.

wait - so does that mean the Republicans are going to try to be more in touch with poor people...or that the GOP is going to continue being rich, out of touch elites who just have better security at their 'bash the poor' $10k a plate fundraiser hatefests...?
 
2012-12-06 10:30:45 AM
Actually as a Stake President and local bishop I'm sure Romney saw and dealt with quite a bit of poverty among his parishioners. Mormons aren't any wealthier than others. I don't think it affected his general policy views, but that doesn't mean he never saw or dealt with it.
 
2012-12-06 10:49:07 AM

Somacandra: Actually as a Stake President and local bishop I'm sure Romney saw and dealt with quite a bit of poverty among his parishioners. Mormons aren't any wealthier than others. I don't think it affected his general policy views, but that doesn't mean he never saw or dealt with it.


Romney hates poverty, in fact, poor people disgust him.

Even the way he says "poor people" sounds creepy. He pronounces the "oo" in poor like goo/poo. Most people pronounce the "oo" in poor like pour, door, floor.
 
2012-12-06 10:53:15 AM

mrshowrules: Somacandra: Actually as a Stake President and local bishop I'm sure Romney saw and dealt with quite a bit of poverty among his parishioners. Mormons aren't any wealthier than others. I don't think it affected his general policy views, but that doesn't mean he never saw or dealt with it.

Romney hates poverty, in fact, poor people disgust him.

Even the way he says "poor people" sounds creepy. He pronounces the "oo" in poor like goo/poo. Most people pronounce the "oo" in poor like pour, door, floor.


for the record, I don't think Romney 'hates poor people'. I think poverty is an uncomfortable reminder of his own hypocrisy. look, he's a rich guy who likes to pretend he's in good with his church and his god. he lives in a bubble where nothing contradicts his worldview. Then along comes evidence that he's not actually doing what Christ said he should be doing...and that makes him uncomfortable. it's a reminder that he's been lying to himself. that's why he doesn't like poor folks. they remind him of his failure to live up to his obligations as a Mormon.
 
2012-12-06 10:54:37 AM

incendi: "We're gonna help you by making sure you're beat down enough to accept whatever piss-ass jizz-mopping minimum wage shiat-wallowing job we offer you."


You mean like the one I have where since there's too many support calls coming in over the weekend, they now want me to work from home on Saturdays?

/yeah... tell me how great small businesses are again
//no mention of extra pay, either
 
2012-12-06 10:59:10 AM
i.imgur.com
 
2012-12-06 11:05:35 AM

MaudlinMutantMollusk: incendi: "We're gonna help you by making sure you're beat down enough to accept whatever piss-ass jizz-mopping minimum wage shiat-wallowing job we offer you."

You mean like the one I have where since there's too many support calls coming in over the weekend, they now want me to work from home on Saturdays?

/yeah... tell me how great small businesses are again
//no mention of extra pay, either


that happened with my last job - which wasn't a 'small business' of any sort I might add. the bosses wanted me to work holidays with no overtime pay. I said I'd rather just take the day off and spend it with friends/family. that was that - all the sudden I wasn't a 'team player' anymore. despite the fact that I was working weekends and night shift as my normal hours. you know what? that company STILL hasn't found anyone to replace me. and it'll take them a year to grow someone into that position and not crash half their network. two years before the new guy can run the show solo.
 
2012-12-06 11:09:41 AM
The GOP has been focusing on poverty for decades now. Mainly, how to force more people into it so their business buddies can exploit them.
 
2012-12-06 11:10:39 AM
GOP? Rethink?
 
2012-12-06 11:12:00 AM
Appropriate or not, the Just Get A Job strategy only works at full employment.

Perhaps they noticed that there are still more unemployed people than job openings.

If this helps the reality bubble pop, I'm all for it.
 
2012-12-06 11:12:09 AM

Bloody William: GOP? Rethink?


You're right. That does kind of imply that they'd thought before

/which is clearly not the case
 
2012-12-06 11:13:24 AM
Are we just going to repeat all our comments from the other thread?

How the Republican party expects the poors to view them:

i.imgur.com

How the poors actually view them:

i.imgur.com
 
2012-12-06 11:13:40 AM
On the bright side, when was the last time you heard someone say that the President was an elitest?
 
2012-12-06 11:14:15 AM
If I could find some kind of decent conditioner then maybe I could save my hair from this straw-like fate it has been saddled with.
 
2012-12-06 11:15:07 AM
Yes, I'm sure the party of shameless plutocrats is going to be all about helping the poor and middle classes...

It's hilarious the GOP seems to think they only have an image and messaging problem.

"If we just package our same old regressive, bigoted, plutocratic bullshiat in a prettier package then voters will flock to us!"
 
2012-12-06 11:15:24 AM

mrshowrules: Somacandra: Actually as a Stake President and local bishop I'm sure Romney saw and dealt with quite a bit of poverty among his parishioners. Mormons aren't any wealthier than others. I don't think it affected his general policy views, but that doesn't mean he never saw or dealt with it.

Romney hates poverty, in fact, poor people disgust him.

Even the way he says "poor people" sounds creepy. He pronounces the "oo" in poor like goo/poo. Most people pronounce the "oo" in poor like pour, door, floor.


And he's actually called them the poors, a verbal slip I think he even made during one of the debates. Maybe it's not a big deal but if I were poor I don't think I'd be like to be called a poor. Poor person, ok, but don't demonize.
 
2012-12-06 11:15:40 AM
They've been focused on creating poverty for the last 30 years.
 
2012-12-06 11:16:22 AM
Conservatives who start to think become Libertarians. Not the pot obsessed lunatics but people who want a government that is focused only on that which causes hard to others life, liberty and/or property through fraud or force.

When things like the fiscal cliff are made impossible you will never again be under the thumb of any goon with a government gun.
 
2012-12-06 11:16:49 AM
From the article, it seems their plan is "Say we want to do something about poverty while slashing social spending." This is a real break from the previous plan of "Say we don't care about poverty while slashing social spending."

But at least the second one is internally consistent.
 
2012-12-06 11:17:39 AM

DamnYankees: Saying the phrase "middle class" more is meaningless if you don't change any of your policies.

Can someone tell me a single new policy proposal to help poor and middle class people from Rubio which differs from GOP orthodoxy?


www.lemen.com
 
2012-12-06 11:17:57 AM
Its cute that Paul Ryan is trying to position himself to he in the running in 2016. I'm too lazy to look it up, but, has a LOSING VP candidate ever been nominated to run for the Presidency or even won it?
 
2012-12-06 11:18:51 AM
Dear Subby,

The Republicans will do or say or not do or not say WHATEVER IT TAKES TO BE ELECTED.

They aren't having a soul-searching moment. They're just retooling for their next Wunderwaffe.

Malcolm X must have been a Republican; he completely encapsulated Republican thought with the expression "By any means necessary!"

Sincerely,

A Former Republican Who Became Tired
 
2012-12-06 11:19:31 AM

Citrate1007: They've been focused on creating poverty for the last 30 years.


It all makes sense. Conservatives want to back to the way things were. Present day conservatives are reactionary. They want to revert to the way things were, violently if necessary. They want to go back to the early 1900s, bring back robber barons, take away voting rights from women and minorities, etc. They may never state this out loud, but their actions certainly point in that direction.
 
2012-12-06 11:19:34 AM

DamnYankees: Saying the phrase "middle class" more is meaningless if you don't change any of your policies.

Can someone tell me a single new policy proposal to help poor and middle class people from Rubio which differs from GOP orthodoxy?


Romney was always very careful to say middle income instead of middle class. He believed middle income to be around $200,000 to $250,000 a year.
 
2012-12-06 11:19:54 AM

Smeggy Smurf: Conservatives who start to think become Libertarians.


uh oh!
 
2012-12-06 11:22:17 AM
I think this old phrase captures my feelings towards this development perfectly

"I come from a country that raises corn and cotton, cockleburs and Democrats, and frothy eloquence neither convinces nor satisfies me. I'm from Missouri, and you have got to show me."

//Not from Missouri, but they're going to have to show me some real action and not just more frothy words.
 
2012-12-06 11:23:27 AM

Weaver95: In a dinner with wealthy fundraisers, Mitt Romney dismissed 47 percent of voters as hopeless "victims" who would never accept personal responsibility, let alone a Republican president. The next crop of presidential hopefuls is determined to not make the same mistake.

wait - so does that mean the Republicans are going to try to be more in touch with poor people...or that the GOP is going to continue being rich, out of touch elites who just have better security at their 'bash the poor' $10k a plate fundraiser hatefests...?


It will probably translate into trying to reach out to minority voters with more spray-on tan.
 
2012-12-06 11:24:24 AM

Smeggy Smurf: Conservatives who start to think become Libertarians lonely. Very, very lonely. Like an outcast.

 
2012-12-06 11:25:57 AM
You just have to wonder what happened between 1956 and today.

i677.photobucket.com
 
2012-12-06 11:27:11 AM
Maybe they should focus more on being a political party rather than a hate group?
 
2012-12-06 11:27:31 AM

Weaver95: that company STILL hasn't found anyone to replace me.


They did replace you. For probably 20% less. And that's a win. Never mind the network falling to pieces.
 
2012-12-06 11:27:44 AM

iron_city_ap: I'm too lazy to look it up, but, has a LOSING VP candidate ever been nominated to run for the Presidency or even won it?


upload.wikimedia.org
 
2012-12-06 11:27:45 AM
Has Mitt Romney ever done an actual honest day's work in his life?
 
2012-12-06 11:28:38 AM

Old enough to know better: You just have to wonder what happened between 1956 and today.

[i677.photobucket.com image 459x720]


the young republicans were promoted and are now old republicans
 
2012-12-06 11:29:00 AM

Old enough to know better: You just have to wonder what happened between 1956 and today.


The Southern Strategy, Neoconservatives, Karl Rove, and Grover Norquist.
 
2012-12-06 11:29:36 AM

LarryDan43: Romney was always very careful to say middle income instead of middle class. He believed middle income to be around $200,000 to $250,000 a year.


"It is not that much money." ~ an erstwhile faux dentist
 
2012-12-06 11:29:45 AM
www.fybertech.com

See? It's a totally new Republican Party!
 
2012-12-06 11:30:23 AM

Aar1012: Has Mitt Romney ever done an actual honest day's work in his life?


Does holding down his erection during the reading of his father's will count?
 
2012-12-06 11:30:25 AM

sprawl15: Old enough to know better: You just have to wonder what happened between 1956 and today.

[i677.photobucket.com image 459x720]

the young republicans were promoted and are now old republicans


They cleared out the obvious RINOs that were running the GOP and put in a program that they believed was truly Reaganesque
 
2012-12-06 11:34:54 AM

EyeballKid: Aar1012: Has Mitt Romney ever done an actual honest day's work in his life?

Does holding down his erection during the reading of his father's will count?


I think it does. At the very least we have to recognize the effort Mitt had to put into that.
 
2012-12-06 11:36:08 AM

iron_city_ap: Its cute that Paul Ryan is trying to position himself to he in the running in 2016. I'm too lazy to look it up, but, has a LOSING VP candidate ever been nominated to run for the Presidency or even won it?


FDR ran as VP on a ticket with James Cox as the Presidential candidate.
 
2012-12-06 11:36:12 AM

DamnYankees: Saying the phrase "middle class" more is meaningless if you don't change any of your policies.

Can someone tell me a single new policy proposal to help poor and middle class people from Rubio which differs from GOP orthodoxy?


You forget: the GOP considers $250k still within the middle class.
 
2012-12-06 11:37:41 AM
static.talkingpointsmemo.com

I love that TPM has this graphic as a sidebar to every story they run. It needs to be repeatedly smeared in the face of every teatard and knuckle-dragger in the country. Repeatedly.
 
2012-12-06 11:37:45 AM
The Boomers are going to die, the Reagan Revolution is over, and in the next twenty years, this country is going to take a hard left. Actually, I think denial is the best policy for your typical angry white guy - in the future, they just plain won't be able to have what they want, politically, no matter how many women or browns they try to get to sell it for them.
But we will let them keep their guns, so they can always shoot themselves (hint, hint).
 
2012-12-06 11:40:19 AM
Here's the problem for the GOP. In order to improve their standing with (and get more votes from) women, the poors, Hispanics, gay people or whatever, they have to examine and understand the reasons why those groups don't vote Republican in the first place.

That involves Republicans thinking of them as human beings. It'll never happen.
 
2012-12-06 11:40:50 AM

jso2897: The Boomers are going to die, the Reagan Revolution is over, and in the next twenty years, this country is going to take a hard left. Actually, I think denial is the best policy for your typical angry white guy - in the future, they just plain won't be able to have what they want, politically, no matter how many women or browns they try to get to sell it for them.
But we will let them keep their guns, so they can always shoot themselves (hint, hint).


2016 is probably the last opportunity for the current incarnation of the GOP to put a president in office. If they fail in 2016, barring some lunatic move by the Democrats, the GOP will have to change before taking that office.
 
2012-12-06 11:43:43 AM

The Why Not Guy: Here's the problem for the GOP. In order to improve their standing with (and get more votes from) women, the poors, Hispanics, gay people or whatever, they have to examine and understand the reasons why those groups don't vote Republican in the first place.

That involves Republicans thinking of them as human beings. It'll never happen.


I'm beginning to think the problem isn't that the GOP doesn't think of them as humans, but that they simply don't value humans.
 
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