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2012-12-06 10:00:11 AM  
8 votes:
I love the, "Well, why don't they just pay more voluntarily?"

Because the IRS can't actually use that money. Overpayments get banked into an account for the overpayer. They can collect interest, and they can be applied to future liabilities, but the IRS can't keep that money. In fact, if you overpay, you can go back to the IRS and get that refund from them.

I actually overpayed recently due to some confusion. It was trivially easy to get my money back, and the IRS has some of the best customer service I have ever experienced.
2012-12-06 10:01:28 AM  
7 votes:

Mugato: ManRay: "We have the morals to comply if you make us pay, but not enough to do it on our own because we believe it to be the right thing."

I hear that a lot and it's really a bad argument. These people are obviously saying that ending the tax cuts would help the economy and the nation. One person, no matter how rich, giving more than they have to isn't going to do anything.

/doesn't care what the 2% pays personally


I nonconcur there, Mugato, about not caring with the 2% pay. I found it offensive that Mitt Romney paid less of a percentage of his income that I do.

While I understand why President Obama is only seeking to raise taxes on those making $250,000 or more at this time, I would like to see the 2003 Bush tax cuts expire for all of us. They should have never been passed, especially after starting a second war by invading Iraq. 

/Very unpatriotic, IMHO.
//Totally self-serving for the party and its base; not America.
2012-12-06 09:49:51 AM  
5 votes:
"We have the morals to comply if you make us pay, but not enough to do it on our own because we believe it to be the right thing."
2012-12-06 01:26:12 PM  
3 votes:

Uchiha_Cycliste: Lol, the ultra rich stand to lose substantially more from the GOPs fiscally-irresponsible temper tantrum than they do from the taxes. That is so awesome, soon only the God botherers will be voting GOP. If the markets tank and the rich lose A LOT of money they won't even vote for the GOP anymore and more importantly they wn't donate money. I love it, the GOP is slowly hurting the people it's "protecting". And then telling them it's in their best interest. No, no... I know better than you, this is for your own good; trust me.


The Ultra-Rich have done better with Republicans out of the way for decades. What they gain in tax breaks from the GOP in control, they more than lose with their investments stagnating / tanking.

i27.tinypic.com

I'm surprised more of them haven't figured this out yet. But then again, a lot of them didn't have to work for their money. Just wait for daddy to die, and pass yourself off as a 'Job Creator'...
2012-12-06 01:16:56 PM  
3 votes:
You'll notice that the ones who are calling for a tax increase are the ones who worked their way up and earned their fortune.

It's the spoiled-rotten Trust Fund Brats like Grover Norquist and the Koch Brothers, who have never, ever, had to spend a single day in their pampered lives going hungry, that are the ones screaming & whining like stabbed pigs about paying their fair share.
2012-12-06 12:32:27 PM  
3 votes:

xanadian: lennavan: I don't like telling that story, I really like my FIL, he's a really great guy. I don't think he said it or believes it because he's a jerk, I think he just never considered other people. I have no idea how generalizable that one is, just a CSB I guess.

That level of self-interest is pretty common in *any* species. Humans aren't unique to it. It's part of the survival instinct. But, in humans, since we DO have so much bounty, it's gone out of control and now you have people who hoard money/food/power/garbage in their house (it manifests in different ways) when there's no need to.


Self-interest is normal and healthy but only when balanced with empathy. Most Conservatives have tremendous difficulty experiencing any empathy unless it is for something that effects someone very close to them or if they have personal experience with such as:

-Cheney supporting same sex marriage because of lesbian daughter
-McCain against torture because he suffered torture
-Rubio for ideas within the Dream Act because he is the son of immigrant parents
-Dole supporting disability equality
-Christie supporting FEMA/President when his State needs them
-James Brady for gun control

Self interest with empathy only when they can draw a direct connection to themselves.
2012-12-06 11:33:35 AM  
3 votes:

TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: ManRay: "We have the morals to comply if you make us pay, but not enough to do it on our own because we believe it to be the right thing."

Taxation only works when it is applied consistently to an income bracket. The argument of "You can always write a check for as much as you want to the IRS and they'll take it" is smug, pseudo-intellectual nonsense.


You said it better than I did. One millionaire writing a bonus check to the IRS isn't going to make a difference. But millionaires advocating everyone pay their fair share might. Probably not but it's something.
2012-12-06 11:30:36 AM  
3 votes:

ManRay: "We have the morals to comply if you make us pay, but not enough to do it on our own because we believe it to be the right thing."


Taxation only works when it is applied consistently to an income bracket. The argument of "You can always write a check for as much as you want to the IRS and they'll take it" is smug, pseudo-intellectual nonsense.
2012-12-06 04:10:35 PM  
2 votes:

tony41454: You can take ALL the money that the 2% has and it wouldn't make a dent in the deficit. This is nothing but smoke and mirrors and the libs are FALLING FOR IT like the brainless Obama butt-kissers they are. Poor fools.


After all of this time, I think I finally realize, you just have a factual misunderstanding of the world. This should be so easy, we can be friends after this! We don't need all of their money and we don't even need the top 2%. We only need 2/3rds of the money from the top 1% to completely solve the debt.

The average household wealth for the top 1% is around $20 million.
There are about 120 million households or 1.2 million in the top 1%.

If we took all of their money, we would gain $20 million * 1.2 million = $24 trillion

The current national debt is around $16 trillion. If we took 2/3rds of the money from everyone in the top 1%, we would have completely eliminated the debt. What's more, all of the households in that top 1% would still be worth an average of $6.7 million. I think they can get by on that. Boom, problem solved.
2012-12-06 03:52:25 PM  
2 votes:

jigger: Optimus Composite: every family in America knows if your expenses exceed your income, you cut your expenses

That's not how the Mafia operates.


Every family in America also knows that if your spouse maxes out the credit card, you can't pay off the debt only by ceasing to use the card. You have to PAY THE FARKING BILL.
2012-12-06 03:37:54 PM  
2 votes:
Raise taxes, increase spending in positive ROI areas - infrastructure, SNAP & TANF, work programs, unemployment insurance extension. Remove the payroll tax and replace it with a carbon tax. Get money into the hands of the poor and middle classes. Grow the economy from there. Fix unemployment -> fix revenues - > fix deficit & debt. Not the other way around.

A balanced budget is the result of a robust economy, not the cause.
2012-12-06 02:34:52 PM  
2 votes:

ManRay: "We have the morals to comply if you make us pay, but not enough to do it on our own because we believe it to be the right thing."


I see this has been rightfully trounced on already, but I can't resist. First, the argument is a Tu Quoque argument, just because they don't already do what they are suggesting doesn't make it a bad idea. Secondly, this is the very nature of the tragedy of the commons. It is in no individuals best interest to act differently even though if EVERY individual acted differently each individual would benefit.

Also, in general this is not an argument any onewould make in normal circumstances, so I don't see why people make it here. An example:


Bill: hey, it's Jeff's birthday, if we all pitch in $20 we can get him that bottle of Johnny Walker Blue he's always wanted to try.
Bob: I don't want to pay, but if you think it's such a good idea why don't you give the liquor store $20?
Bill: Because that won't get Jeff the bottle.
Bob: So aren't you being a little hypocritical asking me to give $20 when you can, and aren't?
Bill: ...? That doesn't... What? ::face palm::
2012-12-06 01:51:17 PM  
2 votes:

meat0918: verbaltoxin: TV's Vinnie: You'll notice that the ones who are calling for a tax increase are the ones who worked their way up and earned their fortune.

It's the spoiled-rotten Trust Fund Brats like Grover Norquist and the Koch Brothers, who have never, ever, had to spend a single day in their pampered lives going hungry, that are the ones screaming & whining like stabbed pigs about paying their fair share.

That Papa John's guy earned his fortune, and he sure is being a big dick over the ACA's supposed tax increases.

He's backed off it claiming it was just an example of what some businesses would do.

To be honest, cutting employee's hours back won't work in the long run. You'll lose the good employees, increase turnover, but on the plus side, you'll probably have to hire an extra body or two to fill the gaps in your service you created when you cut hours for people.

More people working is a good thing, even it if is at a shiatty minimum wage (or less for some food service workers but hey, at least they get tips).


I think the guy who runs Costco gets it right. He pays a higher wage, keeps workers happy and loyal, and this saves him money in the long run. If min. wage goes up, he doesn't sweat it, because he already pays above it, and has factored that into his overhead.
2012-12-06 01:45:08 PM  
2 votes:

xanadian: FTFA: Still, some Republicans have broken with their party and indicated their support for accepting President Barack Obama's proposal to extend tax cuts only for the first $250,000 of income. Last week, Rep. Tom Cole (R-Okla.) urged fellow Republicans to agree to the president's tax plan, and since then a number of Republicans have made similar statements, including Sen. Olympia Snowe (R-Maine.), Sen. Tom Coburn (R-Okla.), Rep. Kay Granger (R-Texas) and Rep. Robert Dold (R-Ill.).

Funny how when there's news of even a slight bit of sanity in the GOP, either Snowe or Collins is somehow linked to it.

That being said, I wonder how many of the more vocal conservatives on Fark truly understand the basics of how income tax works. I know *I* didn't for the longest time. There's no "hole" between tax brackets. The tax isn't on your total income, it's an increase on taxes OVER a certain dollar amount. I.e., if you were taxed 15% on $20k (just under the top of that bracket), and now you're in the $30k range with 20%, that's 15% on $20k PLUS 20% on the *additional* $10k.

I think I explained that right. My mother used to work for the IRS; but taxes bore the shiat out of me, so I probably wasn't listening very well that day.


When someone wants to have a serious discussion on taxes, federal debt, etc., there are two things I ask him. First is if he understands the basics of marginal taxes (which you explained) and the other is, very simply, who owns most of the U.S. debt (which it turns out Social Security combined with private U.S. citizens and institutions own about 67% of the U.S. debt; China owns about $1T, or around 5% and isn't even the largest foreign stakeholder). If the person gets those questions right, then we can proceed with the discussion.
2012-12-06 01:21:43 PM  
2 votes:
Lol, the ultra rich stand to lose substantially more from the GOPs fiscally-irresponsible temper tantrum than they do from the taxes. That is so awesome, soon only the God botherers will be voting GOP. If the markets tank and the rich lose A LOT of money they won't even vote for the GOP anymore and more importantly they wn't donate money. I love it, the GOP is slowly hurting the people it's "protecting". And then telling them it's in their best interest. No, no... I know better than you, this is for your own good; trust me.
2012-12-06 01:15:22 PM  
2 votes:
"In the near term, [income tax rates] need to go up some," Langstaff said. "This is a fairness issue -- there needs to be recognition that we're not collecting enough revenue. In the last decade we've fought two wars without raising taxes. So I think it does need to go up."

DING DING DING DING! This really should end all arguments right there. But, potato.
2012-12-06 01:12:35 PM  
2 votes:

ManRay: "We have the morals to comply if you make us pay, but not enough to do it on our own because we believe it to be the right thing."


That is the absolute dumbest argument about taxes: "If you want to pay more, just write a check!"

A few people voluntarily paying extra is not as effective as everyone in the group doing so. It's the difference between a few million and billions of dollars.
2012-12-06 11:22:44 AM  
2 votes:

Mugato: sammyk: %2 of the population constitutes a base?

There are poor republicans who worship the rich and side with them on the tax issue. Many of them are Farkers.


My father loves lambasting the 47%, his household and both of my sisters' households would be counted among those in the 47% of 'moochers'. I am the ONLY person in my family who pays a fair share of individual taxes and am beholden to no personal government assistance.

But I voted for Obama, so I'm just a dirty LIB looking for a handout.
2012-12-06 11:10:45 AM  
2 votes:

Jackson Herring: [j.wigflip.com image 553x768]

 

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2012-12-06 10:10:03 AM  
2 votes:
fark the GOP. fark them totally. Start campaigning against your Congresscritters. It's not that hard to get a deal. Obama has put a ton on the table and the best the GOP can do is 'nuh-uh.'

Hell Obama is even offering to raise tax rates by a smaller amount, maybe 3% instead of almost 5%.

Guillotine: 2014.
2012-12-06 09:54:35 AM  
2 votes:

ManRay: "We have the morals to comply if you make us pay, but not enough to do it on our own because we believe it to be the right thing."


I hear that a lot and it's really a bad argument. These people are obviously saying that ending the tax cuts would help the economy and the nation. One person, no matter how rich, giving more than they have to isn't going to do anything.

/doesn't care what the 2% pays personally
2012-12-07 12:53:19 PM  
1 votes:

o5iiawah: lennavan: o5iiawah: This notion that we have a biggest-pecker competition on who can pay more taxes is nonsense. If you told Fred Smith you'd be taking 75% of his assets and 90% of his income, he'd personally fly a FedEx jet to Costa Rica.

Ah, so that explains why there are no more rich people in the US. They all left in the 50s for Costa Rica when the top tax rate was 90%.

Or perhaps are you completely wrong?

Or perhaps you realize that in 1950, the US was one of a scant few places on earth with a functioning society and if you wanted a decent life, you lived here. You're delusional if you think you can somehow correlate 1950's America to the world we live in today. Rich people exist in the USA but they do whatever they can to avoid taxes. They'll still live here after the 75% asset and 90% wage tax, they'll just set up their companies in Bermuda and use their dummy corps to buy their upper-east side apartment.


So you completely moved those goalposts. Got it.
2012-12-07 12:00:53 PM  
1 votes:

o5iiawah: This notion that we have a biggest-pecker competition on who can pay more taxes is nonsense. If you told Fred Smith you'd be taking 75% of his assets and 90% of his income, he'd personally fly a FedEx jet to Costa Rica.


Ah, so that explains why there are no more rich people in the US. They all left in the 50s for Costa Rica when the top tax rate was 90%.

Or perhaps are you completely wrong?
2012-12-06 04:11:58 PM  
1 votes:

Keizer_Ghidorah:

He's a troll and possibly a mod alt, all he's doing is generating clicks for the site.


Definitely a paid shill, I got a time out for poking fun at him.
2012-12-06 04:04:40 PM  
1 votes:

Dusk-You-n-Me: tenpoundsofcheese: Riggghht. Coming from the person who was proven wrong on your lie about Medicare efficiency.

Two times you've stopped replying after being challenged on the subject. Not sure why you'd want to remind everyone of that. Unless this is your thing, stringing me along without actually ever proving your point, in which case you're the big winner.


He's a troll and possibly a mod alt, all he's doing is generating clicks for the site.
2012-12-06 02:51:18 PM  
1 votes:
Congratulations, the Republicans won the house, where no one believed they would lose.
That's a new high in setting the bar low.
In other, more practical news, you lost IN the house (lost seats, lost a quarter of the Tea Party Caucus), Lost in the Senate
and lost in the Presidency.

But really, keep thinking this was a definitive win for your ideology. Really.
2012-12-06 02:44:27 PM  
1 votes:

xanadian: Experience is the best teacher, I guess. But, yeah.


if you can

tenpoundsofcheese: It could even be a 3:1 tax/cut ratio.


Time for a Canadian snow analogy. When Obama was snowed in he offered you $60 for your $20 shovel and you said no. Now it is really warm outside and the snow is melting very quickly. How much do you want for that shovel now?
2012-12-06 02:05:09 PM  
1 votes:

Rent Party: verbaltoxin:
That this kind of idea is being floated around both sides of the isle today should worry everyone. They should change the definition of capital gains and tax the people that don't work more than they tax people that do.

You were good up until about here. Then it became, "Change it so others get taxed more, not me."

No, it should be changed to encourage genuine capital investment. I have no problem with dropping the cap gains rate to 0% so long as the dollar getting invested went to actual capital improvements, expansion, and business operations, rather than two assholes just buying and selling stock on the market.

If I buy stock X from some company, that dollar goes to the company and they use it to improve business. Gains on that dollar can be as low as you want. If I buy stock X from you, the company doesn't see it, you do. Any gains made on that dollar should be taxed as regular income, because that is exactly what it is.


I agree with you, but you went about saying that in a way that was, like your profile says, douchey.
2012-12-06 02:02:27 PM  
1 votes:

Rent Party: Gulper Eel: They're the ones who've already found their loopholes of choice.

I'm a 2.5% to 3% (based on income) household and I'll tell you that once you get into Alternative Minimum Tax space, there really aren't a whole lot of loopholes to take advantage of. I don't live on dividends or capital gains, so my income is taxed at regular rates. But I make too much to be eligible for pretty much any of my favorite loopholes.

I can't deduct my or my kid's educational fees. I can't deduct child care. I don't get child tax credits. I'm basically left with my mortgage deduction, sales tax deductions, and business use of my house. I still only paid about 20%, so I'm not complaining too much.

Romney's "close the loophole" plan, which was to basically cap all deductions at about $20K would have been a massive tax increase for me, and would have been for pretty much any family that holds a mortgage or files schedule A. It would also mean an effective tax hike every time the prime rate moved.

That this kind of idea is being floated around both sides of the isle today should worry everyone. They should change the definition of capital gains and tax the people that don't work more than they tax people that do.


Don't even need to make that much money to start running into this. My wife and I are in the top 14% by income according to that calculator thing that was going around and my student loan interest deduction already hit a cap because of our income. Mortgage deduction kept us in the High-Teens as an effective rate.... higher than R-Money and his $70k dancing horse write-off or whatever.
2012-12-06 02:01:10 PM  
1 votes:

verbaltoxin:
That this kind of idea is being floated around both sides of the isle today should worry everyone. They should change the definition of capital gains and tax the people that don't work more than they tax people that do.

You were good up until about here. Then it became, "Change it so others get taxed more, not me."


No, it should be changed to encourage genuine capital investment. I have no problem with dropping the cap gains rate to 0% so long as the dollar getting invested went to actual capital improvements, expansion, and business operations, rather than two assholes just buying and selling stock on the market.

If I buy stock X from some company, that dollar goes to the company and they use it to improve business. Gains on that dollar can be as low as you want. If I buy stock X from you, the company doesn't see it, you do. Any gains made on that dollar should be taxed as regular income, because that is exactly what it is.
2012-12-06 01:57:33 PM  
1 votes:
I'm sure this has nothing to do with the fact that if the economy suddenly goes pear-shaped again that the top 2% stand to lose a lot more than the money they'd pay against a few percentage points on the top marginal tax rate.
2012-12-06 01:51:37 PM  
1 votes:

Gulper Eel: They're the ones who've already found their loopholes of choice.


I'm a 2.5% to 3% (based on income) household and I'll tell you that once you get into Alternative Minimum Tax space, there really aren't a whole lot of loopholes to take advantage of. I don't live on dividends or capital gains, so my income is taxed at regular rates. But I make too much to be eligible for pretty much any of my favorite loopholes.

I can't deduct my or my kid's educational fees. I can't deduct child care. I don't get child tax credits. I'm basically left with my mortgage deduction, sales tax deductions, and business use of my house. I still only paid about 20%, so I'm not complaining too much.

Romney's "close the loophole" plan, which was to basically cap all deductions at about $20K would have been a massive tax increase for me, and would have been for pretty much any family that holds a mortgage or files schedule A. It would also mean an effective tax hike every time the prime rate moved.

That this kind of idea is being floated around both sides of the isle today should worry everyone. They should change the definition of capital gains and tax the people that don't work more than they tax people that do.
2012-12-06 01:48:17 PM  
1 votes:

meat0918: I know a lesbian like that. She's a former cop, that quit under pressure after she came out, that loves guns and thinks Democrats are too soft on crime. She's said that keeping her firearms is more important than marrying her partner.


On the one hand, it was a GOP-affiliated group behind the Prop 8 lawsuit. On the other, Democrats like Jon Tester (D-MT) will be damned to the Muslim hell and back before they'll let some lily-livered Ivy-educated East Coast pointy-headed cracker-croaker take his guns.

So she's dumb from both ends?
2012-12-06 01:45:09 PM  
1 votes:

meat0918: Anyone else notice the difference between many self made men and the ones that had everything handed to them by daddy?


There are people who, no matter how they came into success, will look down from the hilltop, see the others who haven't made it, and say, "Hmph. If I could do it, why couldn't you? There must be something wrong with you if you didn't make it up here."

In my own experience it was some enlisted guys who became officers in the military, and suddenly freaked on anyone who didn't render a proper salute to them. It's not every guy who'd do that, but those would be in the bunch for sure.

Sometimes all a sociopath needs is a way to be one, and it all comes storming right out.
2012-12-06 01:41:00 PM  
1 votes:

GiantRex: TimonC346: Smelly McUgly: Is there anything better than the GOP melting completely down in the face of a growing majority of people who think they are idiots that know nothing about the economy?

This is glorious. I don't want to get too excited, but the party is going into its death throes, right? Factions are fighting for the party's soul while, right there on the national stage, they fiddle actively start more fires as Rome burns.

I wish that was true. It seems like it's true--but articles about the Republican meltdown from the Huffington Post may be just a bit skewed. It is compelling though, when I see polls that show more people for marijuana legalization, gay marriage, and pro-choice stances I'm pretty happy. It seems social conservatism is dying.

But--I also see a ton of people who feel like socially conservative views are morons. And they still vote for conservative lawmakers who openly support these views.

I have a friend who has lived in poverty his entire life. His family has managed to exist almost entirely because of government assistance. He recognizes and openly admits that this is true. He supports gay marriage. He loves science and technology. He supports space travel and researching climate change. He is an atheist.

But--he likes guns and hates abortion, so he votes republican.


I know a lesbian like that. She's a former cop, that quit under pressure after she came out, that loves guns and thinks Democrats are too soft on crime. She's said that keeping her firearms is more important than marrying her partner.
2012-12-06 01:37:18 PM  
1 votes:

TimonC346: Smelly McUgly: Is there anything better than the GOP melting completely down in the face of a growing majority of people who think they are idiots that know nothing about the economy?

This is glorious. I don't want to get too excited, but the party is going into its death throes, right? Factions are fighting for the party's soul while, right there on the national stage, they fiddle actively start more fires as Rome burns.

I wish that was true. It seems like it's true--but articles about the Republican meltdown from the Huffington Post may be just a bit skewed. It is compelling though, when I see polls that show more people for marijuana legalization, gay marriage, and pro-choice stances I'm pretty happy. It seems social conservatism is dying.

But--I also see a ton of people who feel like socially conservative views are morons. And they still vote for conservative lawmakers who openly support these views.


I have a friend who has lived in poverty his entire life. His family has managed to exist almost entirely because of government assistance. He recognizes and openly admits that this is true. He supports gay marriage. He loves science and technology. He supports space travel and researching climate change. He is an atheist.

But--he likes guns and hates abortion, so he votes republican.
2012-12-06 01:31:30 PM  
1 votes:

DamnYankees: Rich people do want tax cuts.


More like: Rich greedy a-holes want tax cuts....who happen to vote Republican.
2012-12-06 01:28:36 PM  
1 votes:

Serious Black: Not to burst your bubble, but they aren't listening to their base.


Actually, they are. This is their base:

i159.photobucket.com

These guys (and a few more like them) provide the means to fool, scare and cajole stupid people to vote for them.
2012-12-06 01:25:11 PM  
1 votes:

t3knomanser: I love the, "Well, why don't they just pay more voluntarily?"

Because the IRS can't actually use that money. Overpayments get banked into an account for the overpayer. They can collect interest, and they can be applied to future liabilities, but the IRS can't keep that money. In fact, if you overpay, you can go back to the IRS and get that refund from them.

I actually overpayed recently due to some confusion. It was trivially easy to get my money back, and the IRS has some of the best customer service I have ever experienced.


That's only if you overpay. You can give money directly to the US treasury to reduce the public debt. It's different that just sending a check to the IRS. In FY12 only $7.7 million or so was gifted in this manner which is more than the last two years combined, but still relatively pitiful compared to the Federal budget.
2012-12-06 01:23:29 PM  
1 votes:
I amazed that ~ 150 or so people in the House can hold the economy hostage, increase the deficit and debt through inaction (by allowing the credit rating to decrease, increasing our debt servicing costs), for something that a majority of the US and very many people who will be impacted directly say we should do, and that is increase the tax rates on the top 2%.

Carn: DING DING DING DING! This really should end all arguments right there. But, potato.


But those wars will pay for themselves! We really should have enacted a war tax to pay for them and to give Americans a direct financial reminder every two weeks that yes, we are still at war.
2012-12-06 01:18:45 PM  
1 votes:

lennavan: Last one off my chest - we have a blind guy who married into the family who has been on government assistance for 30+ years who biatches about the government and wears a "I don't need sex, the government screws me every day" t shirt. Really dude?


Wow.
2012-12-06 01:14:55 PM  
1 votes:

CapeFearCadaver: Bleg. I'll shut up. Guess I just needed to get that shiat off my chest.


I know what you mean. Really I want to say it to their faces but I won't, they're family and I have to see them around the holidays. We do our best to not talk about politics.

Last one off my chest - we have a blind guy who married into the family who has been on government assistance for 30+ years who biatches about the government and wears a "I don't need sex, the government screws me every day" t shirt. Really dude?
2012-12-06 01:13:20 PM  
1 votes:

Jim_Callahan: ManRay: "We have the morals to comply if you make us pay, but not enough to do it on our own because we believe it to be the right thing."

Um, private donations will do nothing to close the budget gap.


Forget it, Jake. This is Derpatown.
2012-12-06 12:53:09 PM  
1 votes:

CapeFearCadaver: He doesn't the SEE the utter oxymoron


ftfm
2012-12-06 12:51:41 PM  
1 votes:

lennavan: I don't like telling that story, I really like my FIL, he's a really great guy. I don't think he said it or believes it because he's a jerk, I think he just never considered other people. I have no idea how generalizable that one is, just a CSB I guess.


We all have our own sets of empirical evidence to draw particular conclusions... there's simply been tons of it recently, I suppose. In the case of my own father, it can't even be described as a "I got mine, fark you" because he doesn't even has his. He is currently sucking of the government teet himself while complaining about big government, welfare queens, people on unemployment, planned parenthood, people with disabilities, and the poverty stricken simply not using bootstraps.

Of course he holds no empathy, he doesn't give a damn about his own family, or himself for that matter; it's become an issue of complete disconnect. Disconnect that the very thing he complains about the loudest is exactly what he himself is doing. Disconnect from the world that surrounds him and his own family for fark's sake. He doesn't the the utter oxymoron when he flies the Don't Tread On Me flag next to the American flag.

And of course his heros are Rand, Beck, Limbaugh and the like.

Bleg. I'll shut up. Guess I just needed to get that shiat off my chest.
2012-12-06 12:11:37 PM  
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lennavan: I don't like telling that story, I really like my FIL, he's a really great guy. I don't think he said it or believes it because he's a jerk, I think he just never considered other people. I have no idea how generalizable that one is, just a CSB I guess.


That level of self-interest is pretty common in *any* species. Humans aren't unique to it. It's part of the survival instinct. But, in humans, since we DO have so much bounty, it's gone out of control and now you have people who hoard money/food/power/garbage in their house (it manifests in different ways) when there's no need to.
2012-12-06 12:05:09 PM  
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lennavan: CapeFearCadaver: My father loves lambasting the 47%, his household and both of my sisters' households would be counted among those in the 47% of 'moochers'. I am the ONLY person in my family who pays a fair share of individual taxes and am beholden to no personal government assistance.

But I voted for Obama, so I'm just a dirty LIB looking for a handout.

My Father in Law is like that. His family struggled by for decades trying to pay his mortgage. He finally just recently paid it off, so in a discussion with him about Romney's tax plan versus Obama's he said "yeah but I don't need the mortgage deduction anymore so I prefer Romney's plan." It's like, yeah, aren't you glad someone like Romney wasn't in office 10 years ago? And what about all of the people like you including your daughters and son who haven't yet paid theirs off? It really was a "I got mine, fark you" kinda moment.

I don't like telling that story, I really like my FIL, he's a really great guy. I don't think he said it or believes it because he's a jerk, I think he just never considered other people. I have no idea how generalizable that one is, just a CSB I guess.


The whole premise of the Romney/Ryan Medicare reform was, you will be OK, we are going to fark-up the next round of people. Presumably they forgot that the younger people also get a vote.

Makes me think of that Simpsons episode where Homer evacuates the Nuclear Power plant first so he jams a door against the exit so no one can follow him.
2012-12-06 12:02:51 PM  
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TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: ManRay: "We have the morals to comply if you make us pay, but not enough to do it on our own because we believe it to be the right thing."

Taxation only works when it is applied consistently to an income bracket. The argument of "You can always write a check for as much as you want to the IRS and they'll take it" is smug, pseudo-intellectual nonsense.


...and usually parroted by the same jackasses who demanded "we" invade Iraq, from the safety of their couches.
2012-12-06 11:37:29 AM  
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CapeFearCadaver: My father loves lambasting the 47%, his household and both of my sisters' households would be counted among those in the 47% of 'moochers'. I am the ONLY person in my family who pays a fair share of individual taxes and am beholden to no personal government assistance.

But I voted for Obama, so I'm just a dirty LIB looking for a handout.


My Father in Law is like that. His family struggled by for decades trying to pay his mortgage. He finally just recently paid it off, so in a discussion with him about Romney's tax plan versus Obama's he said "yeah but I don't need the mortgage deduction anymore so I prefer Romney's plan." It's like, yeah, aren't you glad someone like Romney wasn't in office 10 years ago? And what about all of the people like you including your daughters and son who haven't yet paid theirs off? It really was a "I got mine, fark you" kinda moment.

I don't like telling that story, I really like my FIL, he's a really great guy. I don't think he said it or believes it because he's a jerk, I think he just never considered other people. I have no idea how generalizable that one is, just a CSB I guess.
2012-12-06 11:32:46 AM  
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GOP has a pretty good point. Just check out the math:

Take home pay after taxes (no deductions) on $250,000 per year:
Obama $187,000
GOP $187,000

Taxes (no deductions) on $500,000 per year
Obama $337,000
GOP $350,000

I think it's pretty clear from these staggering numbers that no small business owner making over $250,000 a year can afford to hire more workers. It's not like the number of customers (demand) is relevant to how many workers (supply) you need.

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2012-12-06 11:16:42 AM  
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Jackson Herring: [j.wigflip.com image 553x768]


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2012-12-06 10:47:47 AM  
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Mugato: One person, no matter how rich, giving more than they have to isn't going to do anything.


Not to mention the idea of rich people giving voluntarily while those of lesser means contribute under compulsion is inherently disgusting. If you're already paying an effective rate lower than your secretary, there is no need to grandstand over voluntary giving other than earning a series of cockpunches.
2012-12-06 10:11:53 AM  
1 votes:

sammyk: %2 of the population constitutes a base?


There are poor republicans who worship the rich and side with them on the tax issue. Many of them are Farkers.
2012-12-06 10:06:51 AM  
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"In the near term, [income tax rates] need to go up some," Langstaff said. "This is a fairness issue -- there needs to be recognition that we're not collecting enough revenue. In the last decade we've fought two wars without raising taxes. So I think it does need to go up."

translation: look, they're on to our little scam. we'll kick in a few extra bucks and rearrange the deck chairs a bit then play nice nice with the peasants for a little while until they calm down and get distracted by the next shiny object. then once things are calm, we'll activate a contingency plan, get our money back and go right back to screwing over everyone else. tell Grover to STFU for a while, its all part of the plan.
2012-12-06 09:53:16 AM  
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To be fair to the GOP, this is sort of dumb. Rich people do want tax cuts. Anecdotally pulling out a few people who don't doesn't mean anything.

If you want to argue the GOP shouldn't listen to its base, go for it. But the base is the base.
2012-12-06 09:51:37 AM  
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This calls for tax cuts.
 
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