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2012-12-06 02:44:06 PM

Jackson Herring: [j.wigflip.com image 553x768]


Bleh, short hairy dwarf. Elves all the way.

rule34-data-003.paheal.net
 
2012-12-06 02:44:12 PM

incendi: Oh, so now we care about the Constitution. Seems it was just days ago that all this fiscal cliff, debt ceiling, budgetary armageddon was solely Barack Obama's own personal fault.


Did I say days? Silly me, I meant minutes.
 
2012-12-06 02:44:27 PM

xanadian: Experience is the best teacher, I guess. But, yeah.


if you can

tenpoundsofcheese: It could even be a 3:1 tax/cut ratio.


Time for a Canadian snow analogy. When Obama was snowed in he offered you $60 for your $20 shovel and you said no. Now it is really warm outside and the snow is melting very quickly. How much do you want for that shovel now?
 
2012-12-06 02:44:34 PM

Optimus Composite: every family in America knows if your expenses exceed your income, you cut your expenses


That's not how the Mafia operates.
 
2012-12-06 02:44:39 PM

ManRay: "We have the morals to comply if you make us pay, but not enough to do it on our own because we believe it to be the right thing."


If you feel they're paying too much then you should send them a check for the difference. It's the moral thing to do.
 
2012-12-06 02:45:30 PM

Minarets: I amazed that ~ 150 or so people in the House can hold the economy hostage, increase the deficit and debt through inaction (by allowing the credit rating to decrease, increasing our debt servicing costs), for something that a majority of the US and very many people who will be impacted directly say we should do, and that is increase the tax rates on the top 2%.

Carn: DING DING DING DING! This really should end all arguments right there. But, potato.

But those wars will pay for themselves! We really should have enacted a war tax to pay for them and to give Americans a direct financial reminder every two weeks that yes, we are still at war.


To be fair, those 150 were supported by at least 50% of the people in very carefully chosen areas so they can get that support. Plus, it is more than 150 - it's around 220 people. If even a small group (approx. 20) of Rs wandered over the isle and talked to Nancy P we'd have a very different congress.
 
2012-12-06 02:45:31 PM

incendi: jigger: Nope. The Republicans won the House (where All Bills for raising Revenue shall originate).

Oh, so now we care about the Constitution. Seems it was just days ago that all this fiscal cliff, debt ceiling, budgetary armageddon was solely Barack Obama's own personal fault.


Did I ever say that?
 
2012-12-06 02:47:10 PM

mrshowrules: Time for a Canadian snow analogy. When Obama was snowed in he offered you $60 for your $20 shovel and you said no. Now it is really warm outside and the snow is melting very quickly. How much do you want for that shovel now?


We're gonna need that shovel next winter, too. Why doesn't that bastard just go to Home Depot sometime during the summer after the snow has melted?
 
2012-12-06 02:48:41 PM

jigger: verbaltoxin: It is about CUTS, people. Not more taxes.

Too late, already had an election on that issue, and it lost. Two wars, one bailout. PAY UP.

Nope. The Republicans won the House (where All Bills for raising Revenue shall originate).


Oh my, you're going to be awfully disappointed when your fiscally conservative masters offer you up as their pound of flesh.
 
2012-12-06 02:50:48 PM

jigger: Did I ever say that?


Nope. Well, I assume not, given your offense. I'm not gonna go googling for your thread history. But more to the point, not every lambasting comment is necessarily directed at the person quoted, and in this case, if you haven't been blaming Obama for the current nonsensical mess, then you are not a target, and I sincerely apologize if I unintentionally impugned your honor.
 
2012-12-06 02:51:18 PM
Congratulations, the Republicans won the house, where no one believed they would lose.
That's a new high in setting the bar low.
In other, more practical news, you lost IN the house (lost seats, lost a quarter of the Tea Party Caucus), Lost in the Senate
and lost in the Presidency.

But really, keep thinking this was a definitive win for your ideology. Really.
 
2012-12-06 02:52:19 PM

incendi: jigger: Did I ever say that?

Nope. Well, I assume not, given your offense. I'm not gonna go googling for your thread history. But more to the point, not every lambasting comment is necessarily directed at the person quoted, and in this case, if you haven't been blaming Obama for the current nonsensical mess, then you are not a target, and I sincerely apologize if I unintentionally impugned your honor.


I hammered him too, but it was earned. What he said was douchey, and I treated it as such.
 
2012-12-06 02:54:14 PM

lennavan: CapeFearCadaver: Bleg. I'll shut up. Guess I just needed to get that shiat off my chest.

I know what you mean. Really I want to say it to their faces but I won't, they're family and I have to see them around the holidays. We do our best to not talk about politics.

Last one off my chest - we have a blind guy who married into the family who has been on government assistance for 30+ years who biatches about the government and wears a "I don't need sex, the government screws me every day" t shirt. Really dude?


maybe he is blind for a whole buttload of masturbation and he's all orgasmed out?
 
2012-12-06 02:58:15 PM

Hydra: Paul Krugman tells us that deficits don't matter, so why do we have to raise taxes on anyone?


This is what Republicans actually believe.
 
2012-12-06 02:58:19 PM

Optimus Composite: Why is the Government's answer to everything a tax hike? Why don't these people just spend less of our money? Yes I realized I answered my own questions, but the truth is, every family in America knows if your expenses exceed your income, you cut your expenses. Like every family in this recession, I've learned to live on less money, the government needs to do the same thing. There should not be one farking penny in tax increases on anyone, millionaires included, until there are massive budget cuts. This government spends 10 billion a day and that's still not enough for them.


People who unironically compare a national budget to a household budget should be summarily executed, or at least punched in the face really hard.
 
2012-12-06 02:58:45 PM

xanadian: That being said, I wonder how many of the more vocal conservatives on Fark truly understand the basics of how income tax works. I know *I* didn't for the longest time. There's no "hole" between tax brackets. The tax isn't on your total income, it's an increase on taxes OVER a certain dollar amount.


This. I was arguing with my cousin about taxes recently. He's a lifelong Republican and a small business owner and I was trying to get him to explain to me why he thinks letting the Bush era tax cut for top earners expire would cause prices to go up. He started off by saying "Let's say you make $250,000 a year. Obama's plan would require you to pay $16,000 extra in taxes."
 
2012-12-06 02:59:06 PM

verbaltoxin: I hammered him too, but it was earned. What he said was douchey, and I treated it as such.


Eh, I try to give everyone the benefit of the doubt, up till I tag them as a troll. Then it's on. Jigger hasn't made enough of an impression yet for me to assume bad intentions.
 
2012-12-06 03:04:18 PM

syberpud: t3knomanser: I love the, "Well, why don't they just pay more voluntarily?"

Because the IRS can't actually use that money. Overpayments get banked into an account for the overpayer. They can collect interest, and they can be applied to future liabilities, but the IRS can't keep that money. In fact, if you overpay, you can go back to the IRS and get that refund from them.

I actually overpayed recently due to some confusion. It was trivially easy to get my money back, and the IRS has some of the best customer service I have ever experienced.

That's only if you overpay. You can give money directly to the US treasury to reduce the public debt. It's different that just sending a check to the IRS. In FY12 only $7.7 million or so was gifted in this manner which is more than the last two years combined, but still relatively pitiful compared to the Federal budget.


Even more important than the amount of the donation -- the amount donated, even if it were enough to make a difference, is likely to change along with the business cycle. In other words, it's going to increase when times are good, but when times are rough everybody's going to pull back. This lessens the ability of the government to counteract the business cycle and minimize the harm caused by recessions.
 
2012-12-06 03:05:01 PM

Diogenes: Jackson Herring: [j.wigflip.com image 553x768]

Sexy and surreal. I like it.


What is surreal about it? Elves and dwarves are natural homosexual lovers once you get past the initial social constructs of racial/ethnic division.
 
2012-12-06 03:18:28 PM

incendi: mrshowrules: Time for a Canadian snow analogy. When Obama was snowed in he offered you $60 for your $20 shovel and you said no. Now it is really warm outside and the snow is melting very quickly. How much do you want for that shovel now?

We're gonna need that shovel next winter, too. Why doesn't that bastard just go to Home Depot sometime during the summer after the snow has melted?


That's my point. When the snow melts Obama can get the car out of the garage and just go to Canadian Tire and buy a $20 shovel (likely for $10) .

If the GOP wanted $60 for the shovel, they should have sold it when they had the leverage.
 
2012-12-06 03:19:02 PM

k1j2b3: Please go ahead and write your checks directly to the government to pay down the debt. Then we'll talk.

No one is stopping these wealthy bozos from ponying up more cash. But yet, I never hear about one of them doing so.

Please go talk to the 'wealthy' who make between $200K and $1M a year. I have a feeling you wouldn't be getting the same answer from them.


I have a better idea: eliminate mandatory taxes altogether (0% for everyone!) and anyone who thinks that people should pay taxes can send their donations to the IRS. I'm sure that will take care of the deficit, and then some.
 
2012-12-06 03:22:29 PM

Debeo Summa Credo: Carn: Debeo Summa Credo: As a member of the 98%, let me add: Tax everybody, you dolts. Nothing wrong with a return to Clinton rates. At least for those who are legitimately concerned about the deficit.

I agree with this statement. I also want a cap on mortgage tax reduction and I think it should be phased out in the next 5-10 years. It's bad policy. Also also, remove all corporate welfare now.

I'd phase out elimination of mortgage tax deduction over much longer period.

If you phase it out over only 5 to 10 years you will immediately reduce the market value of homes, farking over people who own homes as well as restarting the financial crisis.

Also, both Obama and Boehner have discussed eliminating corporate loopholes (ir welfare)and reducing corp rates.


That's fine, we can haggle. But I think you can institute a cap and a no second mortgage rule much sooner, as well as not letting the deduction being taken on new purchases. I know they have discussed eliminating corporate loopholes, but it remains to be seen what we'll actually get out of it.
 
2012-12-06 03:23:34 PM

threedingers: k1j2b3: Please go ahead and write your checks directly to the government to pay down the debt. Then we'll talk.

No one is stopping these wealthy bozos from ponying up more cash. But yet, I never hear about one of them doing so.

Please go talk to the 'wealthy' who make between $200K and $1M a year. I have a feeling you wouldn't be getting the same answer from them.

I have a better idea: eliminate mandatory taxes altogether (0% for everyone!) and anyone who thinks that people should pay taxes can send their donations to the IRS. I'm sure that will take care of the deficit, and then some.


It'll be just like Greece! Oh.
 
2012-12-06 03:26:43 PM

mrshowrules: incendi: mrshowrules: Time for a Canadian snow analogy. When Obama was snowed in he offered you $60 for your $20 shovel and you said no. Now it is really warm outside and the snow is melting very quickly. How much do you want for that shovel now?

We're gonna need that shovel next winter, too. Why doesn't that bastard just go to Home Depot sometime during the summer after the snow has melted?

That's my point. When the snow melts Obama can get the car out of the garage and just go to Canadian Tire and buy a $20 shovel (likely for $10) .

If the GOP wanted $60 for the shovel, they should have sold it when they had the leverage.


All these snow analogies really drive the point home. I did just buy a shovel from Canadian Tire, everything is coming together nicely.
 
2012-12-06 03:26:44 PM

CorporatePerson: xanadian: That being said, I wonder how many of the more vocal conservatives on Fark truly understand the basics of how income tax works. I know *I* didn't for the longest time. There's no "hole" between tax brackets. The tax isn't on your total income, it's an increase on taxes OVER a certain dollar amount.

This. I was arguing with my cousin about taxes recently. He's a lifelong Republican and a small business owner and I was trying to get him to explain to me why he thinks letting the Bush era tax cut for top earners expire would cause prices to go up. He started off by saying "Let's say you make $250,000 a year. Obama's plan would require you to pay $16,000 extra in taxes."


This is an individual who owns a business and maintains its finances. BE AFRAID.

Also, aren't the only taxes going up PERSONAL income taxes? Not corporate? Or is the point that most small business owners aren't LLCs, LLPs, OMGWTFs, or whatever, and are privately owned and paid for solely out of their own personal funds?

While I understand progressive tax rates (mostly), that bit always eluded me.
 
2012-12-06 03:27:42 PM

Jackson Herring: [j.wigflip.com image 553x768]


WTF man?

img607.imageshack.us
 
2012-12-06 03:27:50 PM

SovietCanuckistan: mrshowrules: incendi: mrshowrules: Time for a Canadian snow analogy. When Obama was snowed in he offered you $60 for your $20 shovel and you said no. Now it is really warm outside and the snow is melting very quickly. How much do you want for that shovel now?

We're gonna need that shovel next winter, too. Why doesn't that bastard just go to Home Depot sometime during the summer after the snow has melted?

That's my point. When the snow melts Obama can get the car out of the garage and just go to Canadian Tire and buy a $20 shovel (likely for $10) .

If the GOP wanted $60 for the shovel, they should have sold it when they had the leverage.

All these snow analogies really drive the point home. I did just buy a shovel from Canadian Tire, everything is coming together nicely.


We still don't have any snow up here. SUCK ON THAT, GOP!!! ....wait. uh...
 
2012-12-06 03:29:21 PM

Keizer_Ghidorah: Jackson Herring: [j.wigflip.com image 553x768]

Bleh, short hairy dwarf. Elves all the way.

[rule34-data-003.paheal.net image 800x600]


Fitting that "Rule 34" is in the URL.

/looks like it would make a damn good velvet painting
//no Elvis, though...
 
2012-12-06 03:32:32 PM

xanadian: This. I was arguing with my cousin about taxes recently. He's a lifelong Republican and a small business owner and I was trying to get him to explain to me why he thinks letting the Bush era tax cut for top earners expire would cause prices to go up. He started off by saying "Let's say you make $250,000 a year. Obama's plan would require you to pay $16,000 extra in taxes."

This is an individual who owns a business and maintains its finances. BE AFRAID.


He's in the pipe organ business so he pretty much only deals with churches. Also he didn't start the business, he inherited it. Turns out when the only people you talk to are your like-minded family friends and church folk, you tend not to get the whole story about how the rest of the world works.
 
2012-12-06 03:33:26 PM

Optimus Composite: Why is the Government's answer to everything a tax hike? Why don't these people just spend less of our money? Yes I realized I answered my own questions, but the truth is, every family in America knows if your expenses exceed your income, you cut your expenses. Like every family in this recession, I've learned to live on less money, the government needs to do the same thing. There should not be one farking penny in tax increases on anyone, millionaires included, until there are massive budget cuts. This government spends 10 billion a day and that's still not enough for them.


Limbaugh's show must be over. Those are common talking points.

These are not tax increases. It is an expiration of tax cuts from the previous administration. If nothing happens all the cuts go away on January 1st for 100% of Americans. The Dems are arguing for an extension of 98% of the lowest incomes. The Repubs prefer that everyone go back to the pre-cut levels.

By your own circular logic, the Repubs want to raise taxes on everyone, but the Dems only want to raise taxes on the top 2%. I know this blows your mind, and Rush would deny it loudly, but it's true.
 
2012-12-06 03:34:18 PM

Hydra: Paul Krugman tells us that deficits don't matter, so why do we have to raise taxes on anyone?


Because this is all about class-warfare and "fairness".

It is the ONLY thing that 0bama knows how to do - he doesn't have a clue about how to fix the economy, improve wages or decrease unemployment.

If 0bama cared about the deficit he wouldn't look at something that "solved" 10% of the problem (taxes) but would look at the other 90%. He talks about raising taxes and the next day talks about more spending. It has nothing to do with improving the deficit or the economy.

If 0bama cared about creating jobs, he would focus on that (how does raising taxes create jobs?).

As unemployment increases and the economy stinks, 0bama can at least say "look at me, I stuck it to the rich". Some stupid people would look at that as progress and not think to wonder why the debt keeps rising, unemployment keeps rising and wages keep falling.
 
2012-12-06 03:35:10 PM

incendi: verbaltoxin: I hammered him too, but it was earned. What he said was douchey, and I treated it as such.

Eh, I try to give everyone the benefit of the doubt, up till I tag them as a troll. Then it's on. Jigger hasn't made enough of an impression yet for me to assume bad intentions.


Just keep reading, he will.
 
2012-12-06 03:36:30 PM

verbaltoxin: Oh my, you're going to be awfully disappointed when your fiscally conservative masters offer you up as their pound of flesh.


I don't know what's more funny. That you think the Republicans are fiscally conservative or that you think they're my masters.

incendi: jigger: Did I ever say that?

Nope. Well, I assume not, given your offense. I'm not gonna go googling for your thread history. But more to the point, not every lambasting comment is necessarily directed at the person quoted, and in this case, if you haven't been blaming Obama for the current nonsensical mess, then you are not a target, and I sincerely apologize if I unintentionally impugned your honor.


Oh wait, don't get me wrong. Obama has his hand deep in this shiat. He's not solely responsible, obviously, but he is the farking president.
 
2012-12-06 03:37:48 PM

chuggernaught: Optimus Composite: Why is the Government's answer to everything a tax hike? Why don't these people just spend less of our money? Yes I realized I answered my own questions, but the truth is, every family in America knows if your expenses exceed your income, you cut your expenses. Like every family in this recession, I've learned to live on less money, the government needs to do the same thing. There should not be one farking penny in tax increases on anyone, millionaires included, until there are massive budget cuts. This government spends 10 billion a day and that's still not enough for them.

Limbaugh's show must be over. Those are common talking points.

These are not tax increases. It is an expiration of tax cuts from the previous administration. If nothing happens all the cuts go away on January 1st for 100% of Americans. The Dems are arguing for an extension of 98% of the lowest incomes. The Repubs prefer that everyone go back to the pre-cut levels.

By your own circular logic, the Repubs want to raise taxes on everyone, but the Dems only want to raise taxes on the top 2%. I know this blows your mind, and Rush would deny it loudly, but it's true.


if the President said he'd accept extending the cuts on everyone tomorrow, I am pretty sure the GOP would accept it since that is what they are arguing for in the first place.
 
2012-12-06 03:37:54 PM
Raise taxes, increase spending in positive ROI areas - infrastructure, SNAP & TANF, work programs, unemployment insurance extension. Remove the payroll tax and replace it with a carbon tax. Get money into the hands of the poor and middle classes. Grow the economy from there. Fix unemployment -> fix revenues - > fix deficit & debt. Not the other way around.

A balanced budget is the result of a robust economy, not the cause.
 
2012-12-06 03:38:28 PM

mrshowrules: incendi: mrshowrules: Time for a Canadian snow analogy. When Obama was snowed in he offered you $60 for your $20 shovel and you said no. Now it is really warm outside and the snow is melting very quickly. How much do you want for that shovel now?

We're gonna need that shovel next winter, too. Why doesn't that bastard just go to Home Depot sometime during the summer after the snow has melted?

That's my point. When the snow melts Obama can get the car out of the garage and just go to Canadian Tire and buy a $20 shovel (likely for $10) .

If the GOP wanted $60 for the shovel, they should have sold it when they had the leverage.


That is a stupid analogy.
The GOP knew they would never get the $60 (e.g. the mythical spending cuts) so why give up the shovel?
 
2012-12-06 03:39:32 PM

JokerMattly: Congratulations, the Republicans won the house, where no one believed they would lose.
That's a new high in setting the bar low.
In other, more practical news, you lost IN the house (lost seats, lost a quarter of the Tea Party Caucus), Lost in the Senate
and lost in the Presidency.

But really, keep thinking this was a definitive win for your ideology. Really.


I swear. People can be so myopic sometimes. If you're not a member/slave of one party you must be of the other. 

The election(s) resulted in status quo ante as far as the balance of power between the two parties is concerned, so the people voted for...more of the same shiat, apparently.
 
2012-12-06 03:40:10 PM

CorporatePerson: This. I was arguing with my cousin about taxes recently. He's a lifelong Republican and a small business owner and I was trying to get him to explain to me why he thinks letting the Bush era tax cut for top earners expire would cause prices to go up. He started off by saying "Let's say you make $250,000 a year. Obama's plan would require you to pay $16,000 extra in taxes."


What did he say when you explained 4% of $250,000 is only $10,000, and when you explained that 4% only applied to $ above $250,000?
 
2012-12-06 03:44:14 PM

JokerMattly: Congratulations, the Republicans won the house, where no one believed they would lose..


You may want to speak with Pelosi about that.
Clearly you weren't around on fark when people talked about winning the House during the summer.
 
2012-12-06 03:46:30 PM
You can take ALL the money that the 2% has and it wouldn't make a dent in the deficit. This is nothing but smoke and mirrors and the libs are FALLING FOR IT like the brainless Obama butt-kissers they are. Poor fools.
 
2012-12-06 03:47:45 PM

Optimus Composite: every family in America knows if your expenses exceed your income, you cut your expenses


Kinda makes you wonder why so many stupid people take a second job, right? All they need to do is stop buying plasma TVs.
 
2012-12-06 03:48:40 PM
I bet tenpoundsofcheese only paid taxes on the first 5 pounds of cheese.
 
2012-12-06 03:49:11 PM

tony41454: You can take ALL the money that the 2% has and it wouldn't make a dent in the deficit. This is nothing but smoke and mirrors and the libs are FALLING FOR IT like the brainless Obama butt-kissers they are. Poor fools.


It isn't about the deficit or the debt.

It is about class warfare and "fairness". It is all about feeling good about sticking it to people rather than feeling good that unemployment has improved, wages have improved or debt is a lesser burden on us or future generations.

It is the easy thing to do, rather than what needs to get done to fix the economy.
 
2012-12-06 03:50:12 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: mrshowrules: incendi: mrshowrules: Time for a Canadian snow analogy. When Obama was snowed in he offered you $60 for your $20 shovel and you said no. Now it is really warm outside and the snow is melting very quickly. How much do you want for that shovel now?

We're gonna need that shovel next winter, too. Why doesn't that bastard just go to Home Depot sometime during the summer after the snow has melted?

That's my point. When the snow melts Obama can get the car out of the garage and just go to Canadian Tire and buy a $20 shovel (likely for $10) .

If the GOP wanted $60 for the shovel, they should have sold it when they had the leverage.

That is a stupid analogy.
The GOP knew they would never get the $60 (e.g. the mythical spending cuts) so why give up the shovel?


The GOP flies into a blinding rage whenever someone suggests cuts on what THEY like (the hyper-inflated defense budget). But they're all for destroying social programs, Planned Parenthood, and PBS, believing that doing so will immediately balance everything and we can have golden unicorns for all.

GOP: Party and Military (machines, don't care about the soldiers) first, everything else is expendable.
 
2012-12-06 03:50:19 PM

SovietCanuckistan: I bet tenpoundsofcheese only paid taxes on the first 5 pounds of cheese.


He's not here for thoughtful discussion. He's only here to libs libs libs. When challenged on anything of substance he disappears.
 
2012-12-06 03:52:25 PM

jigger: Optimus Composite: every family in America knows if your expenses exceed your income, you cut your expenses

That's not how the Mafia operates.


Every family in America also knows that if your spouse maxes out the credit card, you can't pay off the debt only by ceasing to use the card. You have to PAY THE FARKING BILL.
 
2012-12-06 03:53:16 PM

tony41454: You can take ALL the money that the 2% has and it wouldn't make a dent in the deficit. This is nothing but smoke and mirrors and the libs are FALLING FOR IT like the brainless Obama butt-kissers they are. Poor fools.


If the tiny amount we would see by cutting funding to public broadcasting is worth mentioning than this amount is relevant too.
 
2012-12-06 03:54:30 PM

Dog Welder: rufus-t-firefly: Their plan offered Monday proposed $800 billion in deficit savings through tax reform, including an unspecified amount of revenue raised by eliminating tax deductions and loopholes.

And I'm happy to add, that in the year that Republicans have been campaigning to regain the Presidency and the post-election cycle and the fiscal cliff negotiations, they still have not come out and said which loopholes they intend to cut. Not once.

If anybody (especially any Fark Independents) have a link that lays out the actual, specific GOP fiscal plan and which loopholes they intend to do away with (legitimate news source), I'll buy them a free month of Total Fark.


Big Bird and Jim Lehrer get fired. Isn't that specific enough?
 
2012-12-06 03:55:27 PM

chuggernaught: These are not tax increases. It is an expiration of tax cuts from the previous administration. If nothing happens all the cuts go away on January 1st for 100% of Americans. The Dems are arguing for an extension of 98% of the lowest incomes. The Repubs prefer that everyone go back to the pre-cut levels.

By your own circular logic, the Repubs want to raise taxes on everyone, but the Dems only want to raise taxes on the top 2%. I know this blows your mind, and Rush would deny it loudly, but it's true.


You had a good point going here about wanting to re-frame it as merely allowing tax cuts to go away versus calling them tax increases. But you made a pretty important mistake at the end, you have to qualify your statement with the underlined - "The Republicans would raise taxes on everyone rather than only raise taxes on the top 2%." As skullkrusher said, when presented with the third option of raising taxes on no one, they would seem to prefer that the most.
 
2012-12-06 03:55:34 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: tony41454: You can take ALL the money that the 2% has and it wouldn't make a dent in the deficit. This is nothing but smoke and mirrors and the libs are FALLING FOR IT like the brainless Obama butt-kissers they are. Poor fools.

It isn't about the deficit or the debt.

It is about class warfare and "fairness". It is all about feeling good about sticking it to people rather than feeling good that unemployment has improved, wages have improved or debt is a lesser burden on us or future generations.

It is the easy thing to do, rather than what needs to get done to fix the economy.


False dichotomy is false. We need to do two things: 1) Decrease spending 2) increase revenue

This is a step in the direction of one of those two things.
 
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