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2012-12-06 09:24:15 AM  
They're just the ones that are so lazy they want the government to take care of their noblesse oblige for them. Farking slackers, sucking on the government teat.
 
2012-12-06 09:34:10 AM  
They're the ones who've already found their loopholes of choice.
 
2012-12-06 09:49:51 AM  
"We have the morals to comply if you make us pay, but not enough to do it on our own because we believe it to be the right thing."
 
2012-12-06 09:51:37 AM  
This calls for tax cuts.
 
2012-12-06 09:53:16 AM  
To be fair to the GOP, this is sort of dumb. Rich people do want tax cuts. Anecdotally pulling out a few people who don't doesn't mean anything.

If you want to argue the GOP shouldn't listen to its base, go for it. But the base is the base.
 
2012-12-06 09:54:35 AM  

ManRay: "We have the morals to comply if you make us pay, but not enough to do it on our own because we believe it to be the right thing."


I hear that a lot and it's really a bad argument. These people are obviously saying that ending the tax cuts would help the economy and the nation. One person, no matter how rich, giving more than they have to isn't going to do anything.

/doesn't care what the 2% pays personally
 
2012-12-06 09:56:55 AM  

ManRay: "We have the morals to comply if you make us pay, but not enough to do it on our own because we believe it to be the right thing."


Hey, it's what Jesus would do.

"Render unto Caesar that which is Caesars. But not more than what he asks. Seriously, fark that guy. You gotta eat too. Now watch me turn these loaves and fishes into jobs!"
 
2012-12-06 10:00:11 AM  
I love the, "Well, why don't they just pay more voluntarily?"

Because the IRS can't actually use that money. Overpayments get banked into an account for the overpayer. They can collect interest, and they can be applied to future liabilities, but the IRS can't keep that money. In fact, if you overpay, you can go back to the IRS and get that refund from them.

I actually overpayed recently due to some confusion. It was trivially easy to get my money back, and the IRS has some of the best customer service I have ever experienced.
 
2012-12-06 10:01:28 AM  

Mugato: ManRay: "We have the morals to comply if you make us pay, but not enough to do it on our own because we believe it to be the right thing."

I hear that a lot and it's really a bad argument. These people are obviously saying that ending the tax cuts would help the economy and the nation. One person, no matter how rich, giving more than they have to isn't going to do anything.

/doesn't care what the 2% pays personally


I nonconcur there, Mugato, about not caring with the 2% pay. I found it offensive that Mitt Romney paid less of a percentage of his income that I do.

While I understand why President Obama is only seeking to raise taxes on those making $250,000 or more at this time, I would like to see the 2003 Bush tax cuts expire for all of us. They should have never been passed, especially after starting a second war by invading Iraq. 

/Very unpatriotic, IMHO.
//Totally self-serving for the party and its base; not America.
 
2012-12-06 10:04:49 AM  

AirForceVet: I nonconcur there, Mugato, about not caring with the 2% pay. I found it offensive that Mitt Romney paid less of a percentage of his income that I do.


I guess I agree with that. I don't like it either, to be honest. But these people find ways to not pay taxes anyway. I just get tired of them crying "envy" and "class warfare" whenever anyone brings it up so that was just me throwing up my hands and saying fark it.
 
2012-12-06 10:06:51 AM  
"In the near term, [income tax rates] need to go up some," Langstaff said. "This is a fairness issue -- there needs to be recognition that we're not collecting enough revenue. In the last decade we've fought two wars without raising taxes. So I think it does need to go up."

translation: look, they're on to our little scam. we'll kick in a few extra bucks and rearrange the deck chairs a bit then play nice nice with the peasants for a little while until they calm down and get distracted by the next shiny object. then once things are calm, we'll activate a contingency plan, get our money back and go right back to screwing over everyone else. tell Grover to STFU for a while, its all part of the plan.
 
2012-12-06 10:09:59 AM  

DamnYankees: To be fair to the GOP, this is sort of dumb. Rich people do want tax cuts. Anecdotally pulling out a few people who don't doesn't mean anything.

If you want to argue the GOP shouldn't listen to its base, go for it. But the base is the base.


%2 of the population constitutes a base?
 
2012-12-06 10:10:03 AM  
fark the GOP. fark them totally. Start campaigning against your Congresscritters. It's not that hard to get a deal. Obama has put a ton on the table and the best the GOP can do is 'nuh-uh.'

Hell Obama is even offering to raise tax rates by a smaller amount, maybe 3% instead of almost 5%.

Guillotine: 2014.
 
2012-12-06 10:11:47 AM  

ManRay: "We have the morals to comply if you make us pay, but not enough to do it on our own because we believe it to be the right thing."


My dad always brought this up as the reason why we shouldn't. I now know what to counter it with.

/Fark: The more you know....
 
2012-12-06 10:11:53 AM  

sammyk: %2 of the population constitutes a base?


There are poor republicans who worship the rich and side with them on the tax issue. Many of them are Farkers.
 
2012-12-06 10:12:24 AM  

sammyk: DamnYankees: To be fair to the GOP, this is sort of dumb. Rich people do want tax cuts. Anecdotally pulling out a few people who don't doesn't mean anything.

If you want to argue the GOP shouldn't listen to its base, go for it. But the base is the base.

%2 of the population constitutes a base?


Yes, when they have the money necessary to fund elections.
 
2012-12-06 10:27:51 AM  

Mugato: I hear that a lot and it's really a bad argument. These people are obviously saying that ending the tax cuts would help the economy and the nation. One person, no matter how rich, giving more than they have to isn't going to do anything.


So you are saying if it is not going to make a difference, it is not worth doing? Even you believe strongly it is the right thing to do?

Mark Cuban said he would not mind the tax increase. He can pay it and it would not bother him much. However, he is not for paying more and having it thrown into the same spending black hole everything is currently feeding. He wants to feel like it is doing something. Putting it that way seems more honest to me.
 
2012-12-06 10:47:47 AM  

Mugato: One person, no matter how rich, giving more than they have to isn't going to do anything.


Not to mention the idea of rich people giving voluntarily while those of lesser means contribute under compulsion is inherently disgusting. If you're already paying an effective rate lower than your secretary, there is no need to grandstand over voluntary giving other than earning a series of cockpunches.
 
2012-12-06 10:52:24 AM  
If we go over the fiscal cliff, the amount the rich lose in the stock market is going to be a hell of a lot more than 4% of their income.

Anyone who isn't a Koch-level asshole can see that.
 
2012-12-06 10:54:56 AM  
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2012-12-06 11:06:56 AM  

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2012-12-06 11:10:45 AM  

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2012-12-06 11:15:13 AM  

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2012-12-06 11:16:42 AM  

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2012-12-06 11:20:38 AM  

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2012-12-06 11:20:48 AM  

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2012-12-06 11:22:44 AM  

Mugato: sammyk: %2 of the population constitutes a base?

There are poor republicans who worship the rich and side with them on the tax issue. Many of them are Farkers.


My father loves lambasting the 47%, his household and both of my sisters' households would be counted among those in the 47% of 'moochers'. I am the ONLY person in my family who pays a fair share of individual taxes and am beholden to no personal government assistance.

But I voted for Obama, so I'm just a dirty LIB looking for a handout.
 
2012-12-06 11:30:36 AM  

ManRay: "We have the morals to comply if you make us pay, but not enough to do it on our own because we believe it to be the right thing."


Taxation only works when it is applied consistently to an income bracket. The argument of "You can always write a check for as much as you want to the IRS and they'll take it" is smug, pseudo-intellectual nonsense.
 
2012-12-06 11:32:46 AM  
GOP has a pretty good point. Just check out the math:

Take home pay after taxes (no deductions) on $250,000 per year:
Obama $187,000
GOP $187,000

Taxes (no deductions) on $500,000 per year
Obama $337,000
GOP $350,000

I think it's pretty clear from these staggering numbers that no small business owner making over $250,000 a year can afford to hire more workers. It's not like the number of customers (demand) is relevant to how many workers (supply) you need.

HISTORY'S GREATEST MONSTER
 
2012-12-06 11:33:35 AM  

TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: ManRay: "We have the morals to comply if you make us pay, but not enough to do it on our own because we believe it to be the right thing."

Taxation only works when it is applied consistently to an income bracket. The argument of "You can always write a check for as much as you want to the IRS and they'll take it" is smug, pseudo-intellectual nonsense.


You said it better than I did. One millionaire writing a bonus check to the IRS isn't going to make a difference. But millionaires advocating everyone pay their fair share might. Probably not but it's something.
 
2012-12-06 11:37:29 AM  

CapeFearCadaver: My father loves lambasting the 47%, his household and both of my sisters' households would be counted among those in the 47% of 'moochers'. I am the ONLY person in my family who pays a fair share of individual taxes and am beholden to no personal government assistance.

But I voted for Obama, so I'm just a dirty LIB looking for a handout.


My Father in Law is like that. His family struggled by for decades trying to pay his mortgage. He finally just recently paid it off, so in a discussion with him about Romney's tax plan versus Obama's he said "yeah but I don't need the mortgage deduction anymore so I prefer Romney's plan." It's like, yeah, aren't you glad someone like Romney wasn't in office 10 years ago? And what about all of the people like you including your daughters and son who haven't yet paid theirs off? It really was a "I got mine, fark you" kinda moment.

I don't like telling that story, I really like my FIL, he's a really great guy. I don't think he said it or believes it because he's a jerk, I think he just never considered other people. I have no idea how generalizable that one is, just a CSB I guess.
 
2012-12-06 12:00:40 PM  
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2012-12-06 12:02:51 PM  

TheBeastOfYuccaFlats: ManRay: "We have the morals to comply if you make us pay, but not enough to do it on our own because we believe it to be the right thing."

Taxation only works when it is applied consistently to an income bracket. The argument of "You can always write a check for as much as you want to the IRS and they'll take it" is smug, pseudo-intellectual nonsense.


...and usually parroted by the same jackasses who demanded "we" invade Iraq, from the safety of their couches.
 
2012-12-06 12:05:09 PM  

lennavan: CapeFearCadaver: My father loves lambasting the 47%, his household and both of my sisters' households would be counted among those in the 47% of 'moochers'. I am the ONLY person in my family who pays a fair share of individual taxes and am beholden to no personal government assistance.

But I voted for Obama, so I'm just a dirty LIB looking for a handout.

My Father in Law is like that. His family struggled by for decades trying to pay his mortgage. He finally just recently paid it off, so in a discussion with him about Romney's tax plan versus Obama's he said "yeah but I don't need the mortgage deduction anymore so I prefer Romney's plan." It's like, yeah, aren't you glad someone like Romney wasn't in office 10 years ago? And what about all of the people like you including your daughters and son who haven't yet paid theirs off? It really was a "I got mine, fark you" kinda moment.

I don't like telling that story, I really like my FIL, he's a really great guy. I don't think he said it or believes it because he's a jerk, I think he just never considered other people. I have no idea how generalizable that one is, just a CSB I guess.


The whole premise of the Romney/Ryan Medicare reform was, you will be OK, we are going to fark-up the next round of people. Presumably they forgot that the younger people also get a vote.

Makes me think of that Simpsons episode where Homer evacuates the Nuclear Power plant first so he jams a door against the exit so no one can follow him.
 
2012-12-06 12:09:05 PM  
FTFA: Still, some Republicans have broken with their party and indicated their support for accepting President Barack Obama's proposal to extend tax cuts only for the first $250,000 of income. Last week, Rep. Tom Cole (R-Okla.) urged fellow Republicans to agree to the president's tax plan, and since then a number of Republicans have made similar statements, including Sen. Olympia Snowe (R-Maine.), Sen. Tom Coburn (R-Okla.), Rep. Kay Granger (R-Texas) and Rep. Robert Dold (R-Ill.).

Funny how when there's news of even a slight bit of sanity in the GOP, either Snowe or Collins is somehow linked to it.

That being said, I wonder how many of the more vocal conservatives on Fark truly understand the basics of how income tax works. I know *I* didn't for the longest time. There's no "hole" between tax brackets. The tax isn't on your total income, it's an increase on taxes OVER a certain dollar amount. I.e., if you were taxed 15% on $20k (just under the top of that bracket), and now you're in the $30k range with 20%, that's 15% on $20k PLUS 20% on the *additional* $10k.

I think I explained that right. My mother used to work for the IRS; but taxes bore the shiat out of me, so I probably wasn't listening very well that day.
 
2012-12-06 12:11:37 PM  

lennavan: I don't like telling that story, I really like my FIL, he's a really great guy. I don't think he said it or believes it because he's a jerk, I think he just never considered other people. I have no idea how generalizable that one is, just a CSB I guess.


That level of self-interest is pretty common in *any* species. Humans aren't unique to it. It's part of the survival instinct. But, in humans, since we DO have so much bounty, it's gone out of control and now you have people who hoard money/food/power/garbage in their house (it manifests in different ways) when there's no need to.
 
2012-12-06 12:32:27 PM  

xanadian: lennavan: I don't like telling that story, I really like my FIL, he's a really great guy. I don't think he said it or believes it because he's a jerk, I think he just never considered other people. I have no idea how generalizable that one is, just a CSB I guess.

That level of self-interest is pretty common in *any* species. Humans aren't unique to it. It's part of the survival instinct. But, in humans, since we DO have so much bounty, it's gone out of control and now you have people who hoard money/food/power/garbage in their house (it manifests in different ways) when there's no need to.


Self-interest is normal and healthy but only when balanced with empathy. Most Conservatives have tremendous difficulty experiencing any empathy unless it is for something that effects someone very close to them or if they have personal experience with such as:

-Cheney supporting same sex marriage because of lesbian daughter
-McCain against torture because he suffered torture
-Rubio for ideas within the Dream Act because he is the son of immigrant parents
-Dole supporting disability equality
-Christie supporting FEMA/President when his State needs them
-James Brady for gun control

Self interest with empathy only when they can draw a direct connection to themselves.
 
2012-12-06 12:51:41 PM  

lennavan: I don't like telling that story, I really like my FIL, he's a really great guy. I don't think he said it or believes it because he's a jerk, I think he just never considered other people. I have no idea how generalizable that one is, just a CSB I guess.


We all have our own sets of empirical evidence to draw particular conclusions... there's simply been tons of it recently, I suppose. In the case of my own father, it can't even be described as a "I got mine, fark you" because he doesn't even has his. He is currently sucking of the government teet himself while complaining about big government, welfare queens, people on unemployment, planned parenthood, people with disabilities, and the poverty stricken simply not using bootstraps.

Of course he holds no empathy, he doesn't give a damn about his own family, or himself for that matter; it's become an issue of complete disconnect. Disconnect that the very thing he complains about the loudest is exactly what he himself is doing. Disconnect from the world that surrounds him and his own family for fark's sake. He doesn't the the utter oxymoron when he flies the Don't Tread On Me flag next to the American flag.

And of course his heros are Rand, Beck, Limbaugh and the like.

Bleg. I'll shut up. Guess I just needed to get that shiat off my chest.
 
2012-12-06 12:53:01 PM  

mrshowrules: xanadian: lennavan: I don't like telling that story, I really like my FIL, he's a really great guy. I don't think he said it or believes it because he's a jerk, I think he just never considered other people. I have no idea how generalizable that one is, just a CSB I guess.

That level of self-interest is pretty common in *any* species. Humans aren't unique to it. It's part of the survival instinct. But, in humans, since we DO have so much bounty, it's gone out of control and now you have people who hoard money/food/power/garbage in their house (it manifests in different ways) when there's no need to.

Self-interest is normal and healthy but only when balanced with empathy. Most Conservatives have tremendous difficulty experiencing any empathy unless it is for something that effects someone very close to them or if they have personal experience with such as:

-Cheney supporting same sex marriage because of lesbian daughter
-McCain against torture because he suffered torture
-Rubio for ideas within the Dream Act because he is the son of immigrant parents
-Dole supporting disability equality
-Christie supporting FEMA/President when his State needs them
-James Brady for gun control

Self interest with empathy only when they can draw a direct connection to themselves.


Experience is the best teacher, I guess. But, yeah.
 
2012-12-06 12:53:09 PM  

CapeFearCadaver: He doesn't the SEE the utter oxymoron


ftfm
 
2012-12-06 12:55:43 PM  

ManRay: "We have the morals to comply if you make us pay, but not enough to do it on our own because we believe it to be the right thing."


How do you know how much they give and to whom or what? You don't.

They're giving their opinion that people like them should pay more in taxes and that doing so would not adversely effect the economy.

What they personally do or do not do with their money is irrelevant at best.
 
2012-12-06 01:02:31 PM  
What's funny is given the options available, the 2% should be JUMPING at the Obama plan on the condition the sequester gets downsized. A forced austerity that cuts like a drunken, machete-wielding butcher across all kinds of budget areas would hurt the economy (and their portfolios, which are consistently correlated around market movements rather than tax rates) far more than a controlled (and predictable) rise in tax rates. The rich would still be rich, it's just that the plebes would no longer be b****ing about it.

There is WAY more to be gained (or alternatively, not lost) by paying a little more in taxes rather than hurting companies you personally invest in.
 
2012-12-06 01:10:56 PM  

ManRay: "We have the morals to comply if you make us pay, but not enough to do it on our own because we believe it to be the right thing."


Um, private donations will do nothing to close the budget gap.
 
2012-12-06 01:12:35 PM  

ManRay: "We have the morals to comply if you make us pay, but not enough to do it on our own because we believe it to be the right thing."


That is the absolute dumbest argument about taxes: "If you want to pay more, just write a check!"

A few people voluntarily paying extra is not as effective as everyone in the group doing so. It's the difference between a few million and billions of dollars.
 
2012-12-06 01:13:20 PM  

Jim_Callahan: ManRay: "We have the morals to comply if you make us pay, but not enough to do it on our own because we believe it to be the right thing."

Um, private donations will do nothing to close the budget gap.


Forget it, Jake. This is Derpatown.
 
2012-12-06 01:14:18 PM  

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2012-12-06 01:14:55 PM  

CapeFearCadaver: Bleg. I'll shut up. Guess I just needed to get that shiat off my chest.


I know what you mean. Really I want to say it to their faces but I won't, they're family and I have to see them around the holidays. We do our best to not talk about politics.

Last one off my chest - we have a blind guy who married into the family who has been on government assistance for 30+ years who biatches about the government and wears a "I don't need sex, the government screws me every day" t shirt. Really dude?
 
2012-12-06 01:15:22 PM  
"In the near term, [income tax rates] need to go up some," Langstaff said. "This is a fairness issue -- there needs to be recognition that we're not collecting enough revenue. In the last decade we've fought two wars without raising taxes. So I think it does need to go up."

DING DING DING DING! This really should end all arguments right there. But, potato.
 
2012-12-06 01:16:40 PM  
If six people constitute the 2% then the population must have really declined.
 
2012-12-06 01:16:56 PM  
You'll notice that the ones who are calling for a tax increase are the ones who worked their way up and earned their fortune.

It's the spoiled-rotten Trust Fund Brats like Grover Norquist and the Koch Brothers, who have never, ever, had to spend a single day in their pampered lives going hungry, that are the ones screaming & whining like stabbed pigs about paying their fair share.
 
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