In my experience its been you had to be both -- networked in AND top quality candidate. So you try to only drink with top quality candidates. It sure sucks having to review resumes before happy hour.

So you're saying that free market enterprise doesn't exist in a vacuum of meritocracy?

We keep a case of beer in the frig at work.

InmanRoshi: So you're saying that free market enterprise doesn't exist in a vacuum of meritocracy?

Somehow this is the government's fault.

Bull(cough)

They're also not likely to let the world know they're hiring in that situation. So the lack of applicants will prevent applicants from finding a potential reason to complain

One irony here is that most of the citizens of the fastest-growing economies in the world, and probably most of the patent filers, are people with low alcohol tolerance.

/dlink after school? Yes, after Harvard you have beer!

serial_crusher: "miller high life, from a glass, with ice". 

I just got back from a "working" trip to Vegas with my boss and coworkers, so I'm getting a kick out of this.

And that's why all the farking psychopathic assholes who kiss up to the bosses are always your boss, instead of the people who actually do any work.

Pretty much all the jobs I have had came from connections either I made or my family already made even my paper route as a kid. With that knowledge I knew even as a young kid that most of your opportunity comes from who ya know and a bit of luck but your success comes from not burning those bridges.

As a skilled worker, and a skilled drinker, I support this practice.

I don't trust people who don't drink (unless it's because they have a problem - in which case they at least have interesting stories from the past), so no, I wouldn't hire someone that I wouldn't want to drink with.

serial_crusher: My usual question for interviewees is what kind of beer they drink. The one guy I didn't interview, answered the question on his first day with "miller high life, from a glass, with ice". He didn't really work out for plenty of other reasons, eventually got fired for incompetence, so now that question is kind of crucial.

good on you to disqualify muslims, mormons, AA members and celiacs.

For a while now I've thought this was the explanation for that one Moderator.

The hiring practices (and many other things) will soon lead me to drinking at my desk.
Gawd but I could use a drink right now...

dumbobruni: good on you to disqualify muslims, mormons, AA members and celiacs.

They can't have beer, but whisky is okay.

Odd Bird: The hiring practices (and many other things) here will soon lead me to drinking at my desk.
Gawd but I could use a drink right now...

/glad I came back to the thread, +1 for AVG

Better the devil you know than the devil you don't know. When you know someone's weaknesses up front, it makes it easier to overcome or work around them. Plus, if they're your buddy, quid pro quo.

SlagginOff: I don't trust people who don't drink (unless it's because they have a problem - in which case they at least have interesting stories from the past), so no, I wouldn't hire someone that I wouldn't want to drink with.

I don't think "my liver looks like swiss cheese" is a cool story :C .

Once I worked with a person that didn't drink, didn't smoke, dressed neatly, rarely spoke, and moved like a frikkin' robot. That guy creeped me out because he didn't made a single noise when he moved.

But, when we talked, I found out he was just a quirky guy.

I prefer "circle jerk" but the modmins keep ignoring me.

Considering that we tend to spend more time with co-workers than family or friends, this makes perfect sense. Selecting an unqualified candidate over a qualified one is bad business, but picking the person you like from a range of qualified candidates seems like common sense.

OTOH "corporate culture" is an oxymoron.

we started talking about how we both love stalking celebrities in New York. . . we had this instant connection. . . I loved her.

Freaks!

slackananda: Considering that we tend to spend more time with co-workers than family or friends, this makes perfect sense. Selecting an unqualified candidate over a qualified one is bad business, but picking the person you like from a range of qualified candidates seems like common sense.


Exactly. The interview is 50% "can you do the job", 50% "How will you fit in with our carefully balanced team dynamics", and 50% "How well do you handle constant context switches, because, that's what this job is". (IT operations for a big big company - fixing broken stuff for angry people). I'm gonna be hanging out with you 40 hours a week or more, and if you poison the attitude and perception of the department, then that's a problem. Let's figure that out right now, before it becomes a problem.

dumbobruni: serial_crusher: My usual question for interviewees is what kind of beer they drink.

good on you to disqualify celiacs.

The My Little Pony Killer: They can't have beer, but whisky is okay.

Hey, stupids.

I know I've missed out on possible promotions at past employers b/c I don't drink. At one place the guy in charge of infrastructure and IT was worthless and played games half of the day but the boss loved him b/c they went out like frat boys 4 nights a week.

I always thought of it as the 'Airport Test'

Could I tolerate an extended flight delay with only this person to talk to?

You were most likely capable of doing the job before we called you in. I'm just judging to see if you are tollerable.

You have to fit into the company culture, you have to be able to work with people

Most jobs can be taught, you just got to be likeable and malleable


There is a reason most unemployeed people sound and look alike. Yes i'm talking to you fattie

In my industry, you're more likely to be ostracized if you don't golf. Nobody really cares whether or not you drink.

Yet another reason to be self employed.

So I should show up drunk to the interview?

InmanRoshi: So you're saying that free market enterprise doesn't exist in a vacuum of meritocracy?

Only if you don't consider "plays well with others" a merit.

I work as a business consultant and the guy who hired me for my current job literally told me in my interview "I like to hang out with my team, we go out for happy hour a lot so it is important that you join. What are your favorite drinks?" The guy hates his home life so he wants his to be his distraction.

It's a rarity that people go out for drinks here (ivy league university).

/doesn't drink

CygnusDarius: SlagginOff: I don't trust people who don't drink (unless it's because they have a problem - in which case they at least have interesting stories from the past), so no, I wouldn't hire someone that I wouldn't want to drink with.

I don't think "my liver looks like swiss cheese" is a cool story :C .

Once I worked with a person that didn't drink, didn't smoke, dressed neatly, rarely spoke, and moved like a frikkin' robot. That guy creeped me out because he didn't made a single noise when he moved.

But, when we talked, I found out he was just a quirky guy.

I said interesting, not cool :) .

I'm half joking anyway, I'm only weary of the teetotalers on moral high ground that don't drink and judge everyone that does. If you just don't like drinking that's fine with me. Most likely though my social life won't have many parallels to yours.

Headso: Pretty much all the jobs I have had came from connections either I made or my family already made even my paper route as a kid. With that knowledge I knew even as a young kid that most of your opportunity comes from who ya know and a bit of luck but your success comes from not burning those bridges.

I'm the same. Have a useless degree in Psychology but work for an engineer who happens to be a family friend. My previous job was acquired by meeting the owner at a bar, he was drunk (as was I) but told me to come in on Monday about a job. He hired me on the spot when I showed up the following Monday morning.

You're all my drinking buddies cause I drink when I Fark. That way I can say I'm not drinking alone. You're never drinking alone when you're on the internet.

But I was told that the free market hired the most qualified and it was hard work that got you ahead. Republicans surely wouldn't lie to me