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(Forbes)   Employers more likely to hire potential drinking buddies as opposed to top quality candidates which pretty much explains Fark   (forbes.com) divider line 87
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2012-12-06 09:07:36 AM
In my experience its been you had to be both -- networked in AND top quality candidate. So you try to only drink with top quality candidates. It sure sucks having to review resumes before happy hour.
 
2012-12-06 10:34:01 AM
My usual question for interviewees is what kind of beer they drink. The one guy I didn't interview, answered the question on his first day with "miller high life, from a glass, with ice". He didn't really work out for plenty of other reasons, eventually got fired for incompetence, so now that question is kind of crucial.
 
2012-12-06 11:00:46 AM
In my company we go for both. You must be high-quality and produce high-quality results in your work especially considering we do print materials. Though we also aren't going to hire a stick in the mud. We all have a more sarcastic and sardonic sense of humor as well, so if you get offended too easily you won't be hired.

/drinking is a plus
 
2012-12-06 12:04:26 PM
So you're saying that free market enterprise doesn't exist in a vacuum of meritocracy?
 
2012-12-06 12:04:56 PM
We keep a case of beer in the frig at work.
 
2012-12-06 12:05:51 PM

InmanRoshi: So you're saying that free market enterprise doesn't exist in a vacuum of meritocracy?


Somehow this is the government's fault.
 
2012-12-06 12:07:09 PM
Bull(cough)
 
2012-12-06 12:07:12 PM
They're also not likely to let the world know they're hiring in that situation. So the lack of applicants will prevent applicants from finding a potential reason to complain
 
2012-12-06 12:07:38 PM
One irony here is that most of the citizens of the fastest-growing economies in the world, and probably most of the patent filers, are people with low alcohol tolerance.

/dlink after school? Yes, after Harvard you have beer!
 
2012-12-06 12:08:21 PM

serial_crusher: "miller high life, from a glass, with ice".

 

2.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-12-06 12:08:47 PM
I just got back from a "working" trip to Vegas with my boss and coworkers, so I'm getting a kick out of this.
 
2012-12-06 12:08:49 PM
And that's why all the farking psychopathic assholes who kiss up to the bosses are always your boss, instead of the people who actually do any work.
 
2012-12-06 12:09:13 PM
Pretty much all the jobs I have had came from connections either I made or my family already made even my paper route as a kid. With that knowledge I knew even as a young kid that most of your opportunity comes from who ya know and a bit of luck but your success comes from not burning those bridges.
 
2012-12-06 12:10:31 PM
No one is going to hire you if you come off as an asshole. Personality does actually go a long way.

Of course this article doesn't talk about finding a job in today's world, where you do need to have some requirements just to get that interview.
 
2012-12-06 12:11:35 PM
As a skilled worker, and a skilled drinker, I support this practice.
 
2012-12-06 12:12:16 PM
I don't trust people who don't drink (unless it's because they have a problem - in which case they at least have interesting stories from the past), so no, I wouldn't hire someone that I wouldn't want to drink with.
 
2012-12-06 12:12:43 PM
This is why I would never open up a brewery.
 
2012-12-06 12:13:58 PM

serial_crusher: My usual question for interviewees is what kind of beer they drink. The one guy I didn't interview, answered the question on his first day with "miller high life, from a glass, with ice". He didn't really work out for plenty of other reasons, eventually got fired for incompetence, so now that question is kind of crucial.


good on you to disqualify muslims, mormons, AA members and celiacs.
 
2012-12-06 12:14:47 PM
For a while now I've thought this was the explanation for that one Moderator.
 
2012-12-06 12:15:11 PM
i45.tinypic.com

I want to be her drinking buddy
 
2012-12-06 12:16:14 PM
The hiring practices (and many other things) will soon lead me to drinking at my desk.
Gawd but I could use a drink right now...
 
2012-12-06 12:17:20 PM

dumbobruni: good on you to disqualify muslims, mormons, AA members and celiacs.


They can't have beer, but whisky is okay.
 
2012-12-06 12:17:36 PM

Odd Bird: The hiring practices (and many other things) here will soon lead me to drinking at my desk.
Gawd but I could use a drink right now...


/glad I came back to the thread, +1 for AVG
 
2012-12-06 12:18:47 PM
Better the devil you know than the devil you don't know. When you know someone's weaknesses up front, it makes it easier to overcome or work around them. Plus, if they're your buddy, quid pro quo.
 
2012-12-06 12:18:53 PM

SlagginOff: I don't trust people who don't drink (unless it's because they have a problem - in which case they at least have interesting stories from the past), so no, I wouldn't hire someone that I wouldn't want to drink with.


I don't think "my liver looks like swiss cheese" is a cool story :C .

Once I worked with a person that didn't drink, didn't smoke, dressed neatly, rarely spoke, and moved like a frikkin' robot. That guy creeped me out because he didn't made a single noise when he moved.

But, when we talked, I found out he was just a quirky guy.
 
2012-12-06 12:19:23 PM
I prefer "circle jerk" but the modmins keep ignoring me.
 
2012-12-06 12:21:52 PM
Considering that we tend to spend more time with co-workers than family or friends, this makes perfect sense. Selecting an unqualified candidate over a qualified one is bad business, but picking the person you like from a range of qualified candidates seems like common sense.

OTOH "corporate culture" is an oxymoron.
 
2012-12-06 12:23:20 PM
we started talking about how we both love stalking celebrities in New York. . . we had this instant connection. . . I loved her.

Freaks!
 
2012-12-06 12:23:37 PM

dumbobruni: serial_crusher: My usual question for interviewees is what kind of beer they drink. The one guy I didn't interview, answered the question on his first day with "miller high life, from a glass, with ice". He didn't really work out for plenty of other reasons, eventually got fired for incompetence, so now that question is kind of crucial.

good on you to disqualify muslims, mormons, AA members and celiacs.


we also have a strict anti-butthurt policy, so you'd be way out!

/ Nah, "I don't drink" is a perfectly valid answer.
// We'd have to buy special desks for the celiacs. 
images1.wikia.nocookie.net
 
2012-12-06 12:25:16 PM
www.kegworks.com
 
2012-12-06 12:33:21 PM

slackananda: Considering that we tend to spend more time with co-workers than family or friends, this makes perfect sense. Selecting an unqualified candidate over a qualified one is bad business, but picking the person you like from a range of qualified candidates seems like common sense.


Exactly. The interview is 50% "can you do the job", 50% "How will you fit in with our carefully balanced team dynamics", and 50% "How well do you handle constant context switches, because, that's what this job is". (IT operations for a big big company - fixing broken stuff for angry people). I'm gonna be hanging out with you 40 hours a week or more, and if you poison the attitude and perception of the department, then that's a problem. Let's figure that out right now, before it becomes a problem.
 
2012-12-06 12:34:22 PM
"Hell no I don't have a drinking problem. I have a lack of money to pay the bar tab problem."
 
2012-12-06 12:35:56 PM

djh0101010: slackananda: Considering that we tend to spend more time with co-workers than family or friends, this makes perfect sense. Selecting an unqualified candidate over a qualified one is bad business, but picking the person you like from a range of qualified candidates seems like common sense.


Exactly. The interview is 50% "can you do the job", 50% "How will you fit in with our carefully balanced team dynamics", and 50% "How well do you handle constant context switches, because, that's what this job is". (IT operations for a big big company - fixing broken stuff for angry people). I'm gonna be hanging out with you 40 hours a week or more, and if you poison the attitude and perception of the department, then that's a problem. Let's figure that out right now, before it becomes a problem.


Don't forget the 90% mental part.
 
2012-12-06 12:40:36 PM

dumbobruni: serial_crusher: My usual question for interviewees is what kind of beer they drink.

good on you to disqualify celiacs.


The My Little Pony Killer: They can't have beer, but whisky is okay.


Hey, stupids.
www.columbusalive.com
 
2012-12-06 12:43:48 PM
I know I've missed out on possible promotions at past employers b/c I don't drink. At one place the guy in charge of infrastructure and IT was worthless and played games half of the day but the boss loved him b/c they went out like frat boys 4 nights a week.
 
2012-12-06 12:44:07 PM

Fark Rye For Many Whores: dumbobruni: serial_crusher: My usual question for interviewees is what kind of beer they drink.

good on you to disqualify celiacs.

The My Little Pony Killer: They can't have beer, but whisky is okay.

Hey, stupids.
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To an extent I agree with them. Not sure I'd consider that stuff "real beer".
 
2012-12-06 12:44:54 PM
I always thought of it as the 'Airport Test'

Could I tolerate an extended flight delay with only this person to talk to?

You were most likely capable of doing the job before we called you in. I'm just judging to see if you are tollerable.
 
2012-12-06 12:49:18 PM
You have to fit into the company culture, you have to be able to work with people

Most jobs can be taught, you just got to be likeable and malleable


There is a reason most unemployeed people sound and look alike. Yes i'm talking to you fattie
 
2012-12-06 12:50:02 PM
In my industry, you're more likely to be ostracized if you don't golf. Nobody really cares whether or not you drink.
 
2012-12-06 12:53:30 PM
Yet another reason to be self employed.
 
2012-12-06 12:54:47 PM
So I should show up drunk to the interview?
 
2012-12-06 12:54:54 PM

InmanRoshi: So you're saying that free market enterprise doesn't exist in a vacuum of meritocracy?


Only if you don't consider "plays well with others" a merit.
 
2012-12-06 12:55:12 PM

StrandedInAZ: In my industry, you're more likely to be ostracized if you don't golf. Nobody really cares whether or not you drink.


Given that I've occasionally convinced my boss to get margaritas at lunch, I approve of this practice. Especially since she's way nicer after a drink or two!
 
2012-12-06 12:55:20 PM
I work as a business consultant and the guy who hired me for my current job literally told me in my interview "I like to hang out with my team, we go out for happy hour a lot so it is important that you join. What are your favorite drinks?" The guy hates his home life so he wants his to be his distraction.
 
2012-12-06 12:56:50 PM

Wizzin: Yet another reason to be self employed.


Because then you can call it "drinking with coworkers" instead of "drinking alone"?
 
2012-12-06 12:58:36 PM
It's a rarity that people go out for drinks here (ivy league university).

/doesn't drink
 
2012-12-06 01:02:50 PM

CygnusDarius: SlagginOff: I don't trust people who don't drink (unless it's because they have a problem - in which case they at least have interesting stories from the past), so no, I wouldn't hire someone that I wouldn't want to drink with.

I don't think "my liver looks like swiss cheese" is a cool story :C .

Once I worked with a person that didn't drink, didn't smoke, dressed neatly, rarely spoke, and moved like a frikkin' robot. That guy creeped me out because he didn't made a single noise when he moved.

But, when we talked, I found out he was just a quirky guy.


I said interesting, not cool :) .

I'm half joking anyway, I'm only weary of the teetotalers on moral high ground that don't drink and judge everyone that does. If you just don't like drinking that's fine with me. Most likely though my social life won't have many parallels to yours.
 
2012-12-06 01:07:49 PM

Headso: Pretty much all the jobs I have had came from connections either I made or my family already made even my paper route as a kid. With that knowledge I knew even as a young kid that most of your opportunity comes from who ya know and a bit of luck but your success comes from not burning those bridges.


I'm the same. Have a useless degree in Psychology but work for an engineer who happens to be a family friend. My previous job was acquired by meeting the owner at a bar, he was drunk (as was I) but told me to come in on Monday about a job. He hired me on the spot when I showed up the following Monday morning.
 
2012-12-06 01:16:07 PM
You're all my drinking buddies cause I drink when I Fark. That way I can say I'm not drinking alone. You're never drinking alone when you're on the internet.
 
2012-12-06 01:18:41 PM
But I was told that the free market hired the most qualified and it was hard work that got you ahead. Republicans surely wouldn't lie to me
 
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