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2012-12-06 10:47:00 AM  
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/Disappointed it took this long for this...
 
2012-12-06 10:52:33 AM  
"It's 2012, people," wrote GeenStijl in a post that attracted much attention. "We're better than Zwarte Piet."

Well, THAT is certainly racist!

OK, let's fire all the elves.
 
Biv
2012-12-06 10:53:16 AM  

Rincewind53: Biv: Anyone offended by this is a retard of epic proportions.

Grow up.

I bet you're the guy who went to his Halloween party in blackface and then got all pissy when people told you to leave.


Nah, that's just hack.

Seriously, if someone putting on make up offends you, you might want to address your own insecurities.

The only reason something is offensive if because you CHOOSE to be offended by it. If we'd just start there we could actually focus on real issues.
 
2012-12-06 10:54:28 AM  

tj614zu: They can't find any actual black people to play dress up with?


Not really short ones.
 
2012-12-06 10:55:05 AM  
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2012-12-06 10:57:08 AM  
From TFA: "Sinterklaas celebrations in western Canada organized by the Dutch community were called off last year and former Dutch colony Suriname has said Zwarte Piet is not welcome this year because of concerns over racism."

I don't know about you guys, but not inviting the black guy to the party seems pretty racist to me.



jamspoon: natazha: And why is Santa always dressed as a Republican?

In Liverpool (red) some Everton (blue) fans refuse to dress in red for the annual Santa run:

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As am Everton fan, I am amused. Blue Crimbo all the way!
 
2012-12-06 10:58:46 AM  
i141.photobucket.com
 
2012-12-06 10:59:22 AM  

Biv: The only reason something is offensive if because you CHOOSE to be offended by it.


Your half-baked bare assertion is certainly intriguing.
 
2012-12-06 10:59:31 AM  

Biv: Nah, that's just hack.

Seriously, if someone putting on make up offends you, you might want to address your own insecurities.

The only reason something is offensive if because you CHOOSE to be offended by it. If we'd just start there we could actually focus on real issues.


Oh, I get it! Like when the KKK burns crosses in a black man's lawn! It's not their fault I'm offended, it's my fault! Oh wow, now that I've addressed my inner insecurities, I can't imagine why I've ever been offended in my life! Thanks, internet stranger! Now when I see that white guy call a homeless guy a n*gger I know that truly, deep down inside, I'm okay with it!
 
2012-12-06 11:01:03 AM  

Rincewind53: Biv: Nah, that's just hack.

Seriously, if someone putting on make up offends you, you might want to address your own insecurities.

The only reason something is offensive if because you CHOOSE to be offended by it. If we'd just start there we could actually focus on real issues.

Oh, I get it! Like when the KKK burns crosses in a black man's lawn! It's not their fault I'm offended, it's my fault! Oh wow, now that I've addressed my inner insecurities, I can't imagine why I've ever been offended in my life! Thanks, internet stranger! Now when I see that white guy call a homeless guy a n*gger I know that truly, deep down inside, I'm okay with it!


That's not the same and you know it.
 
2012-12-06 11:02:48 AM  
Idk, go ask Daniel Tosh.
 
2012-12-06 11:04:43 AM  

super_grass: That's not the same and you know it.


But he told me that the only reason anything is offense is if I choose to be offended by it!
 
2012-12-06 11:13:43 AM  

sodomizer: Everything is racist, which means nothing is.

Seriously: at no time in history has any group gotten along with others. We're different for a reason.

The great multicultural dream, like ending poverty and other liberal wet dreams, is an illusion and it doesn't work.

Let's just grow up, accept that, and move on.


Herpa Derpa Doo!
 
2012-12-06 11:13:53 AM  

Witchydiva: Eh. The disease thing I find to be immature. That one particularly stung, simply because of the timing. I just consider it another symptom of the complete lack of consideration for others that seems to be so prevalent in general Dutch culture, and move on with my life.

Regarding the large racist minority - I get that. We have racists in the US, too. I get that, as well. What has amazed me is that every time I've found myself on the receiving end of it, not one person has ever spoken up to put the bigot in their rightful place. The guy that yelled at me - I honestly thought that he was going to hit me. He kept up his rantings right up to the train employees, and then vented to them - their reaction? To smile nervously at him, and tell me to go on home and not worry about this man anymore. He even directly threatened me in front of them, and they just told him to walk away. Amazing.

Also, nothing like walking past a group of young teenage boys (12-14 years old or so), and having one put his hands to his temple, pul ...


I don't know what part of the country you live in, but I have lived all my life all over the country and have never encountered something even resembling what you describe. The disease thing I couldn't care less about as every culture has its own swear words, and I personally don't see swear words as immature. As for the children being badly raised is a matter of perception in my opinion. We tend to draw that criticism from the belgians as well, but that's usually because they are used to raise kids in a different, stricter way, not because of any fundamental differences in the end result.

And I also think it's ironic that you stereotype an entire culture (the dutch) while speaking out against discrimination. You have to admit it's a bit hypocritical.
 
2012-12-06 11:18:07 AM  

hdhale: ThePastafarian: Witchydiva: eldezod: sodomizer: We're different for a reason.

The great multicultural dream, like ending poverty and other liberal wet dreams, is an illusion and it doesn't work.

You've convinced me. RAAAAACCEEE WAAAAAARRRR!

FREEEEEE BIIIIIIIIRD!

AAASSS YOOUUUU WIIIIIIISSHHHH

Social engineering experiments, such as mandatory school busing and massive housing projects, were total failures in America and had lots of unintended negative results. Indeed, the successes have proven to be the exception, not the rule.

Be as sarcastic as you want to be, but true unity within a society is an evolutionary process that takes many generations, and if rushed too much, can actually result in more prejudice and division, not less.


Wow, ur smrt.

That's not what douchebag was saying, but ok.
 
2012-12-06 11:23:35 AM  

MythDragon: [moonwolves.files.wordpress.com image 640x356]
"What's going on in this....oh hell naw."


...came for the "Bad Santa" reference...
leaving satisfied. :-)
 
2012-12-06 11:24:04 AM  

tj614zu: They can't find any actual black people to play dress up with?


It's the netherlands, of course not.
 
Biv
2012-12-06 11:24:52 AM  

Rincewind53: Biv: Nah, that's just hack.

Seriously, if someone putting on make up offends you, you might want to address your own insecurities.

The only reason something is offensive if because you CHOOSE to be offended by it. If we'd just start there we could actually focus on real issues.

Oh, I get it! Like when the KKK burns crosses in a black man's lawn! It's not their fault I'm offended, it's my fault! Oh wow, now that I've addressed my inner insecurities, I can't imagine why I've ever been offended in my life! Thanks, internet stranger! Now when I see that white guy call a homeless guy a n*gger I know that truly, deep down inside, I'm okay with it!


How is that even remotely the same thing?

You really enjoy being a victim, don't you?
 
2012-12-06 11:26:48 AM  

Biv: How is that even remotely the same thing?

You really enjoy being a victim, don't you?


Just making fun of your silly statement that the only reason something is offensive is because a person chooses to be offended. After all, the n word is just a word. You choose to be offended by it, right?
 
2012-12-06 11:28:14 AM  

PandaPorn: I don't know what part of the country you live in, but I have lived all my life all over the country and have never encountered something even resembling what you describe. The disease thing I couldn't care less about as every culture has its own swear words, and I personally don't see swear words as immature. As for the children being badly raised is a matter of perception in my opinion. We tend to draw that criticism from the belgians as well, but that's usually because they are used to raise kids in a different, stricter way, not because of any fundamental differences in the end result.

And I also think it's ironic that you stereotype an entire culture (the dutch) while speaking out against discrimination. You have to admit it's a bit hypocritical.


I'm in Den Haag, work in Rotterdam. I frankly don't have time to write a post detailing every horrid experience, so I'll simply say that you are lucky to not have experienced it yourself. I hear that from a lot of people here, funny enough. Maybe I'm just having a shiatty, unique, racism-and-inconsideration-filled experience. I'm not being snarky, could be true.

Regarding children, yes, it is a matter of perception. I perceive that kids running screaming and completely unchecked on a train to be inappropriate. Kids screaming through the Wereldmuseum, same thing. Teenagers spraying deoderant on their armpits on the train? Ditto. Children picking up raw eggs in a toko and throwing them onto food, the walls, and the windows while the mother stands there and clucks her tongue at the kid? Way out of line. I may have been raised to strict, but I never would have dreamt of back-talking the way kids do here. Stereotype? Sure. What I've seen with my own eyes? Definitely.

Regarding the overall lack of consideration here - in my experience that is not just a stereotype, it has been the truth in the overwhelming majority of my experiences.. In no other country have I stood looking at the frozen section at a grocery store, only to have someone step directly between me and the case and stand there looking - more than once. Bike riders taking up half the street and not caring that cars were building up behind them, bicyclists signalling to turn without looking and striking me in the process (this has happened more than once). Here, I expect someone to bang right into me while walking past (or hit me with their shopping cart/bag/backpack/hand), and not make a token apology. Lack of awareness of others, I suppose I should say, though that leads directly to a lack of consideration. Funny enough, my white friends here say that it is because all Dutch consider everyone equal. My non-white friends say that it is a holdover from colonial times, when the whites didn't have to be considerate to anyone non-white. I don't know. I just don't particularly like it.
 
2012-12-06 11:32:02 AM  

Let's
all be
victims!

\o/
|
/ \
 
2012-12-06 11:32:19 AM  
It's not 'racist' and fark you if you think it is.
 
Biv
2012-12-06 11:32:25 AM  

Rincewind53: Biv: How is that even remotely the same thing?

You really enjoy being a victim, don't you?

Just making fun of your silly statement that the only reason something is offensive is because a person chooses to be offended. After all, the n word is just a word. You choose to be offended by it, right?


I was actually talking about the cross burning. As for "the n word" (farking childish), yes. It has no power over you unless you choose to be offended by it.
 
2012-12-06 11:32:44 AM  
Eh. Sorry. I'm tired and in pain, and just came back from another completely useless doctor's appointment (that I had to go to, in order for the doctor to tell me that I would get a letter in the mail telling me when my next appointment is - because NONE of that could have happened over the phone).

This isn't the place for me to live for a long period of time, and I get reminded of that on a regular basis. My work contract is up at the end of July, I know they won't renew it, and I'm trying to figure out where to go next. Preferably a place where it isn't the norm for people to let their dogs sh*t on the sidewalk and between cars, and then never dream of picking up the mess. Gawd knows nobody else might step in it or ride their bike through it. Filthy.
 
2012-12-06 11:33:46 AM  

Biv: Rincewind53: Biv: How is that even remotely the same thing?

You really enjoy being a victim, don't you?

Just making fun of your silly statement that the only reason something is offensive is because a person chooses to be offended. After all, the n word is just a word. You choose to be offended by it, right?

I was actually talking about the cross burning. As for "the n word" (farking childish), yes. It has no power over you unless you choose to be offended by it.


Aww, that's precious. Why don't you go preach that to your nearest black friend?
 
2012-12-06 11:36:10 AM  

Rincewind53: Yes. Black Peter is an incredibly racist tradition. Sorry Dutch people, but you're perpetuating a racist tradition. Get rid of it.


What's racist about it? If it's not done in order to demean another group, I simply don't see the problem. Are drag artists sexist?
 
2012-12-06 11:38:24 AM  

mekki: Yes, it is. Just like the Mammy character is racist even though there is traditionally no malice behind it.


What, precisely, do you mean by "racist" in this context?
 
2012-12-06 11:38:42 AM  

orbister: Rincewind53: Yes. Black Peter is an incredibly racist tradition. Sorry Dutch people, but you're perpetuating a racist tradition. Get rid of it.

What's racist about it? If it's not done in order to demean another group, I simply don't see the problem. Are drag artists sexist?


upload.wikimedia.org

Demeaning things done without specific desire to demean are still demeaning. But if you're curious as to why blackface is demeaning, go Wiki it.
 
2012-12-06 11:39:09 AM  
No, it's not. It's racist to assume it's an insult to be employed in a less than managerial capacity simply based on the color of the employee.
 
Biv
2012-12-06 11:39:33 AM  

Rincewind53: Biv: Rincewind53: Biv: How is that even remotely the same thing?

You really enjoy being a victim, don't you?

Just making fun of your silly statement that the only reason something is offensive is because a person chooses to be offended. After all, the n word is just a word. You choose to be offended by it, right?

I was actually talking about the cross burning. As for "the n word" (farking childish), yes. It has no power over you unless you choose to be offended by it.

Aww, that's precious. Why don't you go preach that to your nearest black friend?


I have, and he agrees. What else you got?

It's a word. A combination of vowels and consonants. It has no more power than any other word. If it did, it wouldn't be flung around so casually in the black community.

The only difference between a black guy using it and a white guy using it is whether or not you choose to be offended by it when it's used.
 
2012-12-06 11:40:02 AM  

Witchydiva: Regarding the "but... it is TRADITION" bullsh*t" - so was slavery, so were women as chattel, so was Prima Nocta/ droit du seigneur, and a whole lot of other things that modern society finally saw as inappropriate relics from a bygone era.


Ius Prima Nocta was invented for Braveheart. It never existed, but gives a lot of ignorant people a chance to feel outraged.
 
2012-12-06 11:41:24 AM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: No malice behind portraying black women as fat, uneducated, house-dress wearing, simpletons?


Do you also think that Hamlet portrays all white men as vacillating, tight-wearing, introspective vigilantes?
 
2012-12-06 11:42:55 AM  

Witchydiva: PandaPorn: I don't know what part of the country you live in, but I have lived all my life all over the country and have never encountered something even resembling what you describe. The disease thing I couldn't care less about as every culture has its own swear words, and I personally don't see swear words as immature. As for the children being badly raised is a matter of perception in my opinion. We tend to draw that criticism from the belgians as well, but that's usually because they are used to raise kids in a different, stricter way, not because of any fundamental differences in the end result.

And I also think it's ironic that you stereotype an entire culture (the dutch) while speaking out against discrimination. You have to admit it's a bit hypocritical.

I'm in Den Haag, work in Rotterdam. I frankly don't have time to write a post detailing every horrid experience, so I'll simply say that you are lucky to not have experienced it yourself. I hear that from a lot of people here, funny enough. Maybe I'm just having a shiatty, unique, racism-and-inconsideration-filled experience. I'm not being snarky, could be true.

Regarding children, yes, it is a matter of perception. I perceive that kids running screaming and completely unchecked on a train to be inappropriate. Kids screaming through the Wereldmuseum, same thing. Teenagers spraying deoderant on their armpits on the train? Ditto. Children picking up raw eggs in a toko and throwing them onto food, the walls, and the windows while the mother stands there and clucks her tongue at the kid? Way out of line. I may have been raised to strict, but I never would have dreamt of back-talking the way kids do here. Stereotype? Sure. What I've seen with my own eyes? Definitely.

Regarding the overall lack of consideration here - in my experience that is not just a stereotype, it has been the truth in the overwhelming majority of my experiences.. In no other country have I stood looking at the frozen section at a grocery ...


I have never experienced anything close to that. You may be having a unique experience.

Rincewind53: Biv: How is that even remotely the same thing?

You really enjoy being a victim, don't you?

Just making fun of your silly statement that the only reason something is offensive is because a person chooses to be offended. After all, the n word is just a word. You choose to be offended by it, right?


I also don't know anyone offended by that word. But I do hang out with unusual characters.
 
2012-12-06 11:44:07 AM  

Biv:
I have, and he agrees. What else you got?

It's a word. A combination of vowels and consonants. It has no more power than any other word. If it did, it wouldn't be flung around so casually in the black community.

The only difference between a black guy using it and a white guy using it is whether or not you choose to be offended by it when it's used.


Okay Mr. Spock, when you're done rationally rejecting all the offensive things in the word through the power of your "It's just a word" argument, I'd like your advice on eliminating all racism in America, since it's all in people's heads and we just need to get them to be rational and choose not to be racist.
 
2012-12-06 11:44:17 AM  

orbister: Witchydiva: Regarding the "but... it is TRADITION" bullsh*t" - so was slavery, so were women as chattel, so was Prima Nocta/ droit du seigneur, and a whole lot of other things that modern society finally saw as inappropriate relics from a bygone era.

Ius Prima Nocta was invented for Braveheart. It never existed, but gives a lot of ignorant people a chance to feel outraged.


Tell that to Herodotus, the Ottoman Empire, and the Kurds.
 
2012-12-06 11:44:49 AM  

Rincewind53: Well, except for, you know, all the Surinamese, or the other non-white people who complain. You know, those whose ancestors were subjected to brutal and horrific Dutch colonialism.


When the US is a little more than eleven years after repealing the last state laws against miscegenation (Alabama, 2001) we Europeans may be a little more inclined to take lessons in anti-racism from you.
 
2012-12-06 11:45:42 AM  

T.M.S.: I also don't know anyone offended by that word. But I do hang out with unusual characters.


Fair. Showbiz characters tend to be more permissive. But I guarantee if you drop some of your black acquaintances in the South and some redneck comes up and calls him the n word and tells him to get the hell out, he'd be offended.
 
2012-12-06 11:50:52 AM  

Witchydiva: I'm in Den Haag, work in Rotterdam. I frankly don't have time to write a post detailing every horrid experience, so I'll simply say that you are lucky to not have experienced it yourself. I hear that from a lot of people here, funny enough. Maybe I'm just having a shiatty, unique, racism-and-inconsideration-filled experience. I'm not being snarky, could be true.

Regarding children, yes, it is a matter of perception. I perceive that kids running screaming and completely unchecked on a train to be inappropriate. Kids screaming through the Wereldmuseum, same thing. Teenagers spraying deoderant on their armpits on the train? Ditto. Children picking up raw eggs in a toko and throwing them onto food, the walls, and the windows while the mother stands there and clucks her tongue at the kid? Way out of line. I may have been raised to strict, but I never would have dreamt of back-talking the way kids do here. Stereotype? Sure. What I've seen with my own eyes? Definitely.

Regarding the overall lack of consideration here - in my experience that is not just a stereotype, it has been the truth in the overwhelming majority of my experiences.. In no other country have I stood looking at the frozen section at a grocery store, only to have someone step directly between me and the case and stand there looking - more than once. Bike riders taking up half the street and not caring that cars were building up behind them, bicyclists signalling to turn without looking and striking me in the process (this has happened more than once). Here, I expect someone to bang right into me while walking past (or hit me with their shopping cart/bag/backpack/hand), and not make a token apology. Lack of awareness of others, I suppose I should say, though that leads directly to a lack of consideration. Funny enough, my white friends here say that it is because all Dutch consider everyone equal. My non-white friends say that it is a holdover from colonial times, when the whites didn't have to be considerate to anyone non-white. I don't know. I just don't particularly like it.


All things you describe (and in particular about the children) sounds awful. I personally don't know of anyone here who would put up with such behavior. But I know so many people who abhor that, that it can't be a cultural thing in my opinion. Sounds like you just encountered an awful lot of horrible people. You are right about the cyclist though, they are a very inconsiderate bunch of people. I also don't think it has anything to do with colonial times as only a small portion of the population actually lived in the colonies. What I often hear though is that we can be rather blunt, which can be seen as inconsiderate I guess.
 
2012-12-06 11:51:39 AM  

orbister: Rincewind53: Well, except for, you know, all the Surinamese, or the other non-white people who complain. You know, those whose ancestors were subjected to brutal and horrific Dutch colonialism.

When the US is a little more than eleven years after repealing the last state laws against miscegenation (Alabama, 2001) we Europeans may be a little more inclined to take lessons in anti-racism from you.


Ah, the old "mote of dust" logical fallacy (tinged with a somewhat incorrect view of history; state laws against miscegenation were all ruled unconstitutional in 1967, so repealing them was symbolic only). Might I suggest that perhaps as an American I may have a slightly better view of what's racist because of our recent far-more-blatant racist past? Or perhaps I should point out the recent Dutch history of colonial atrocities as a way of showing that America is by no means alone. After all, the Dutch massacred at least 4,000-5,000 Indonesians (the Indonesians claim it was 40,000-50,000) after World War II, and had in general treated their colonial properties with brutality for centuries prior to that.
 
2012-12-06 11:55:10 AM  

orbister: DROxINxTHExWIND: No malice behind portraying black women as fat, uneducated, house-dress wearing, simpletons?

Do you also think that Hamlet portrays all white men as vacillating, tight-wearing, introspective vigilantes?


*Sigh*

When will people get over the whole, "if THAT'S offensive then THIS is offensive" stuff? Keep your eye on the ball. We're talking about Mammy. Oh, and no that is not what I think.
 
2012-12-06 11:55:10 AM  

super_grass: Yes it's offensive, but this is coming from one of the last countries to ever outlaw slavery, whose genocide of an entire continent of people have been sugarcoated and made a federal holiday for gluttons to gorge themselves.

Pot, kettle, etc...


*cough* Apartheid
 
2012-12-06 11:57:51 AM  

HotWingConspiracy: Public Savant: No, YOU go read up on the history of thanksgiving and put a stop to that celebration of what is basically the beginning of an atrocity, before you go pointing fingers at the culture and customs of other countries.

We generally don't have brown faced imps dancing about on Thanksgiving. Generally.


As long as you don't have the NFL on the screen
 
2012-12-06 11:58:06 AM  

T.M.S.: I also don't know anyone offended by that word. But I do hang out with unusual characters crackas.


ftfy
 
2012-12-06 11:58:45 AM  

Rincewind53: T.M.S.: I also don't know anyone offended by that word. But I do hang out with unusual characters.

Fair. Showbiz characters tend to be more permissive. But I guarantee if you drop some of your black acquaintances in the South and some redneck comes up and calls him the n word and tells him to get the hell out, he'd be offended.


Most of them are from the south. Even the ones raised in northern cities claim to be from the south. Which is something I never understood.

But yes you are correct. They would certainly react poorly. Not sure though if I would use the word offended.

Now, burn a cross on their front yard and things would go way beyond "offended".
 
2012-12-06 12:00:29 PM  

trappedspirit: T.M.S.: I also don't know anyone offended by that word. But I do hang out with unusual characters crackas.

ftfy


Now that is a word my friends would be offended by.
 
2012-12-06 12:00:48 PM  

kingoomieiii: super_grass: Yes it's offensive, but this is coming from one of the last countries to ever outlaw slavery, whose genocide of an entire continent of people have been sugarcoated and made a federal holiday for gluttons to gorge themselves.

Pot, kettle, etc...

*cough* Apartheid


It's also ridiculous because the Dutch were the ones selling slaves to the Americans, and in fact didn't outlaw slavery in their colonies until 1863, which is, you know, about the same time the United States did.
 
Biv
2012-12-06 12:03:06 PM  

Rincewind53: Biv:
I have, and he agrees. What else you got?

It's a word. A combination of vowels and consonants. It has no more power than any other word. If it did, it wouldn't be flung around so casually in the black community.

The only difference between a black guy using it and a white guy using it is whether or not you choose to be offended by it when it's used.

Okay Mr. Spock, when you're done rationally rejecting all the offensive things in the word through the power of your "It's just a word" argument, I'd like your advice on eliminating all racism in America, since it's all in people's heads and we just need to get them to be rational and choose not to be racist.


It'll never happen. A segment of the population will always be prejudice in one way or another. It's always been that way and it's not going to change.

But guess what? Most white people are not racist, even the ones who dress in blackface. We have an unhealthy obsession with words and the possibility of offending people. Which is just stupid and childish. No word is offensive unless you saddle it with an emotional reaction which is entirely personal.

You want to go after a real race problem? A real racist? Why don't you start with Al Sharpton? That ass has done more to destroy race relations in this country than thousands of KKK members ever could. If "the n word" is so offensive to you, maybe you should take a good hard look at the people who told you that you should be offended by it.
 
2012-12-06 12:03:07 PM  
lots of hot women in Curacao. Apparently the Dutch/Islander mix makes for a glorious combination.
 
2012-12-06 12:04:31 PM  

Rincewind53: T.M.S.: I also don't know anyone offended by that word. But I do hang out with unusual characters.

Fair. Showbiz characters tend to be more permissive. But I guarantee if you drop some of your black acquaintances in the South and some redneck comes up and calls him the n word and tells him to get the hell out, he'd be offended.


Bigot.
 
Biv
2012-12-06 12:07:04 PM  

wellreadneck: Rincewind53: T.M.S.: I also don't know anyone offended by that word. But I do hang out with unusual characters.

Fair. Showbiz characters tend to be more permissive. But I guarantee if you drop some of your black acquaintances in the South and some redneck comes up and calls him the n word and tells him to get the hell out, he'd be offended.

Bigot.


Excellent.
 
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