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(Chicago Sun-Times)   Illinois now has three state lawmakers who have been arrested and charged with felonies after a state senator, who voted against concealed carry, was arrested for trying to get his gun through security at O'Hare airport   (blogs.suntimes.com) divider line 71
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2012-12-06 12:11:11 PM
Eh, don't lump this guy in with the other two douches. This guy (says he) was working late Tuesday night as a security guard and then hopped a plane Wednesday morning to head out to DC to see if he could get an endorsement for a campaign to take Jesse Jackson Jr's spot in Congress. I'm inclined to believe him, especially given that's such an amazingly easy story to verify. It was an honest mistake.

That said, give him whatever punishment other people who make the same honest mistake get.

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2012-12-06 12:19:22 PM

lennavan: Eh, don't lump this guy in with the other two douches. This guy (says he) was working late Tuesday night as a security guard and then hopped a plane Wednesday morning to head out to DC to see if he could get an endorsement for a campaign to take Jesse Jackson Jr's spot in Congress. I'm inclined to believe him, especially given that's such an amazingly easy story to verify. It was an honest mistake.

That said, give him whatever punishment other people who make the same honest mistake get.

Link


Where's the fun in that? This has everything a right winger needs in a story: black people, guns and the adopted state of the Kenyan usurper.
 
2012-12-06 12:25:36 PM
Laws are only supposed to be for you people.
 
2012-12-06 12:27:04 PM
 
2012-12-06 12:28:17 PM
why is no one asking the question of WHY a state senator, has a 2nd job as an ARMED SECURITY GUARD in the first place?

Trotter is the kind of guy to wait 2 days for a towing company to open so that he doesnt get dirty trying to change his own flat tire....
(true story, watched it happen).
 
2012-12-06 12:29:17 PM

Jive.Tastic.: why is no one asking the question of WHY a state senator, has a 2nd job as an ARMED SECURITY GUARD in the first place?


Yeah, I was wondering about that. Apparently we'll let just anyone be a senator in IL.
 
2012-12-06 12:33:58 PM

China White Tea: Jive.Tastic.: why is no one asking the question of WHY a state senator, has a 2nd job as an ARMED SECURITY GUARD in the first place?

Yeah, I was wondering about that. Apparently we'll let just anyone be a senator in IL.


I don't see why this is an issue. Few state legislatures require the kind of time investment that the federal one does, and most of the salaries (that I've seen) are pretty low, so unless you're independently wealthy, you'd have a job anyway - whether that be something from a lobbying firm kickback or not.

Not sure why it being a security guard job matters at all.
 
2012-12-06 12:35:52 PM

EighthDay: China White Tea: Jive.Tastic.: why is no one asking the question of WHY a state senator, has a 2nd job as an ARMED SECURITY GUARD in the first place?

Yeah, I was wondering about that. Apparently we'll let just anyone be a senator in IL.

I don't see why this is an issue. Few state legislatures require the kind of time investment that the federal one does, and most of the salaries (that I've seen) are pretty low, so unless you're independently wealthy, you'd have a job anyway - whether that be something from a lobbying firm kickback or not.

Not sure why it being a security guard job matters at all.


Looks like it's a way to circumvent IL's no-CHL policy:

FTA comments: "Okay here lays the scam and a scam it is,, I'll bet he only "works" as a security guard/inspector" in name only and for this reason he carries the 25 cal pistol. almost any one can get an Illinois Perc Card, work for a security/Detective agency and receive a license to carry."

Who carries a .25 cal for security work? Really?
 
2012-12-06 12:38:22 PM

EighthDay: China White Tea: Jive.Tastic.: why is no one asking the question of WHY a state senator, has a 2nd job as an ARMED SECURITY GUARD in the first place?

Yeah, I was wondering about that. Apparently we'll let just anyone be a senator in IL.

I don't see why this is an issue. Few state legislatures require the kind of time investment that the federal one does, and most of the salaries (that I've seen) are pretty low, so unless you're independently wealthy, you'd have a job anyway - whether that be something from a lobbying firm kickback or not.

Not sure why it being a security guard job matters at all.


I'll add that he holds a Masters in Law from Loyola.
 
2012-12-06 12:40:24 PM

IamSoSmart_S_M_R_T: Looks like it's a way to circumvent IL's no-CHL policy:

FTA comments: "Okay here lays the scam and a scam it is,, I'll bet he only "works" as a security guard/inspector" in name only and for this reason he carries the 25 cal pistol. almost any one can get an Illinois Perc Card, work for a security/Detective agency and receive a license to carry."

Who carries a .25 cal for security work? Really?


In that case, I can understand taking issue with it. But I didn't understand taking issue with a state legislator having a second job, whether it was a security guard job or not.
 
2012-12-06 12:43:26 PM

EighthDay: Few state legislatures require the kind of time investment that the federal one does, and most of the salaries (that I've seen) are pretty low


I don't know what your definition of "pretty low" is. He gets over $67,000 a year.

IamSoSmart_S_M_R_T: Looks like it's a way to circumvent IL's no-CHL policy:

FTA comments:


It might surprise you to know, a random commenter on the internet was wrong. From the source I posted above in the thread:

Trotter told police he worked late Tuesday night at his job as a security guard for All Points Security and packed his bag early this morning, police said. They said he told authorities he didn't realize the gun was in the bag.

The gun is the same one he uses for work, police said. He has a valid Firearm Owner's Identification Card and has a permit with the Illinois Department of Financial and Profession Regulation to work as a security guard, police said.


The guy actually said which specific security company he works for. The police confirmed it.
 
2012-12-06 12:47:34 PM

IamSoSmart_S_M_R_T: Who carries a .25 cal for security work? Really?


Holdout pistol?

I mean, it'd have to be tiny as all hell in the first place for "I forgot I had it on me" to be even remotely believable. Even the concealable variant of the Glock 9mm polymer series is still like half a pound minimum, not something you lose track of for long periods of time, and that's about as light as a pistol with any real stopping power gets.
 
2012-12-06 12:49:23 PM
Wait, never mind, it was in the bag. I dunno, then.
 
2012-12-06 12:50:21 PM
At least we charge and prosecute politicians; some states just let them commit crimes and get away with it!
 
2012-12-06 12:50:27 PM

lennavan: EighthDay: Few state legislatures require the kind of time investment that the federal one does, and most of the salaries (that I've seen) are pretty low

I don't know what your definition of "pretty low" is. He gets over $67,000 a year.

IamSoSmart_S_M_R_T: Looks like it's a way to circumvent IL's no-CHL policy:

FTA comments:

It might surprise you to know, a random commenter on the internet was wrong. From the source I posted above in the thread:

Trotter told police he worked late Tuesday night at his job as a security guard for All Points Security and packed his bag early this morning, police said. They said he told authorities he didn't realize the gun was in the bag.

The gun is the same one he uses for work, police said. He has a valid Firearm Owner's Identification Card and has a permit with the Illinois Department of Financial and Profession Regulation to work as a security guard, police said.

The guy actually said which specific security company he works for. The police confirmed it.


The investigation should include how many "workers" does All Points have, that are licensed to carry.. Now all Donnie Trotter has to do is show his W2 form from All Points.

Like it's unheard of for a politician to get a "company" to shill for him in order to circumvent the law. LOL
 
2012-12-06 12:50:38 PM

EighthDay: IamSoSmart_S_M_R_T: Looks like it's a way to circumvent IL's no-CHL policy:

FTA comments: "Okay here lays the scam and a scam it is,, I'll bet he only "works" as a security guard/inspector" in name only and for this reason he carries the 25 cal pistol. almost any one can get an Illinois Perc Card, work for a security/Detective agency and receive a license to carry."

Who carries a .25 cal for security work? Really?

In that case, I can understand taking issue with it. But I didn't understand taking issue with a state legislator having a second job, whether it was a security guard job or not.


its b/c if you knew Trotter, the story would immediately smell of bullshiat. he makes @least 70k a year and is not the sort of person to supplement his income with an $8 an hr security job. he's as full of himself and his state senator 'status' as one could possibly be.
 
2012-12-06 12:55:23 PM

Jive.Tastic.: its b/c if you knew Trotter, the story would immediately smell of bullshiat. he makes @least 70k a year and is not the sort of person to supplement his income with an $8 an hr security job. he's as full of himself and his state senator 'status' as one could possibly be


No doubt he gets paid the $8 an hour. Whether he actually shows up to work is another matter altogether.
 
2012-12-06 12:56:55 PM

IamSoSmart_S_M_R_T: Like it's unheard of for a politician to get a "company" to shill for him in order to circumvent the law. LOL


What law do you think he is circumventing here? Oh wait, I get it. You think he has this company pretending he works for them so he can get a gun license and that's the only way you can own a gun in IL? LOL UR STUPID
 
2012-12-06 12:59:36 PM

lennavan: I don't know what your definition of "pretty low" is. He gets over $67,000 a year.


Wow.

The figure I knew off the top of my head was Texas, which has a salary of $14,000 for the two-year legislature. Even if you include the per diem, you're under $30k per year as a Texas state official. Didn't realize IL was nearly 70k.

That being said, I could see wanting supplemental income at 67k per year. I work a second job and I make more than said state senator in my first job.
 
2012-12-06 01:00:52 PM

Jive.Tastic.: its b/c if you knew Trotter, the story would immediately smell of bullshiat. he makes @least 70k a year and is not the sort of person to supplement his income with an $8 an hr security job. he's as full of himself and his state senator 'status' as one could possibly be.




$84,416.76
 
2012-12-06 01:05:00 PM

lennavan: EighthDay: Few state legislatures require the kind of time investment that the federal one does, and most of the salaries (that I've seen) are pretty low

I don't know what your definition of "pretty low" is. He gets over $67,000 a year.

IamSoSmart_S_M_R_T: Looks like it's a way to circumvent IL's no-CHL policy:

FTA comments:

It might surprise you to know, a random commenter on the internet was wrong. From the source I posted above in the thread:

Trotter told police he worked late Tuesday night at his job as a security guard for All Points Security and packed his bag early this morning, police said. They said he told authorities he didn't realize the gun was in the bag.

The gun is the same one he uses for work, police said. He has a valid Firearm Owner's Identification Card and has a permit with the Illinois Department of Financial and Profession Regulation to work as a security guard, police said.

The guy actually said which specific security company he works for. The police confirmed it.


From the all point security website:

"Now in 2009, the old Penn Security Company partnership has been dissolved. Hank and his son Evan are continuing as All Points Security Co. and Ayton Lock. The family business installs and services state-of-the-art Security, Fire, Card Access and Camera systems in both the residential and commercial markets. "

I mean it looks like a legitimate company, but this looks less like Brinks armored car division and more like the home security division.
 
2012-12-06 01:08:33 PM

redmid17: From the all point security website:

"Now in 2009, the old Penn Security Company partnership has been dissolved. Hank and his son Evan are continuing as All Points Security Co. and Ayton Lock. The family business installs and services state-of-the-art Security, Fire, Card Access and Camera systems in both the residential and commercial markets. "

I mean it looks like a legitimate company, but this looks less like Brinks armored car division and more like the home security division.


On a whim I looked at their Linkedin company profile and it said it had 11-50 employees. Also having a valid FOID is basically the ISP saying you're allowed to own guns. I don't know why the article even noted it. It specifically says in red lettering on the front that it is not a license to carry.

fitconomy.com
 
2012-12-06 01:10:58 PM
there should be a state level diplomatic bag
 
2012-12-06 01:24:44 PM
Come on IL and join the other 49 states. And also kill the FOID.
 
2012-12-06 01:26:05 PM

Mayhem of the Black Underclass: there should be a state level diplomatic bag


no.
 
2012-12-06 01:32:50 PM

Mayhem of the Black Underclass: there should be a state level diplomatic bag


Why? Free movement is already granted to everyone in between states. No customs = no diplomatic bag
 
2012-12-06 01:51:34 PM

Mayhem of the Black Underclass: there should be a state level diplomatic bag


You can transport firearms in checked luggage if they're declared, at no extra expense. Also, diplomatic bags only skip _customs_, they still go through security, generally speaking.

You do have to declare it, though, and there are restrictions (hard case, locked, essentially). And you obviously can't bring anything in carry-on luggage on anything but a private jet.
 
2012-12-06 02:23:03 PM

lennavan: IamSoSmart_S_M_R_T: Like it's unheard of for a politician to get a "company" to shill for him in order to circumvent the law. LOL

What law do you think he is circumventing here? Oh wait, I get it. You think he has this company pretending he works for them so he can get a gun license and that's the only way you can own a gun in IL? LOL UR STUPID


Actually the way it works is that by being a member of a 'private security company, or the employee of a private detective' he can carry a firearm on the job. The way that the 'loophole' works is that he becomes a manager and claims that he is 'always on the clock or on call' which circumvents the need for a concealed carry license, which, surprise surprise, doesn't exist in Illinois.

TL:DR By pretending to work for a private security company, he circumvents the illegality of concealed guns that law-abiding citizens can't avoid.
 
2012-12-06 02:42:26 PM

BayouOtter: lennavan: IamSoSmart_S_M_R_T: Like it's unheard of for a politician to get a "company" to shill for him in order to circumvent the law. LOL

What law do you think he is circumventing here? Oh wait, I get it. You think he has this company pretending he works for them so he can get a gun license and that's the only way you can own a gun in IL? LOL UR STUPID

Actually the way it works is that by being a member of a 'private security company, or the employee of a private detective' he can carry a firearm on the job. The way that the 'loophole' works is that he becomes a manager and claims that he is 'always on the clock or on call' which circumvents the need for a concealed carry license, which, surprise surprise, doesn't exist in Illinois.

TL:DR By pretending to work for a private security company, he circumvents the illegality of concealed guns that law-abiding citizens can't avoid.


I was going to point out how stupid lennavan was (since I used to live in IL and had a FOID at that time), but you covered it nicely. :)
 
2012-12-06 02:50:21 PM

Jim_Callahan: IamSoSmart_S_M_R_T: Who carries a .25 cal for security work? Really?

Holdout pistol?

I mean, it'd have to be tiny as all hell in the first place for "I forgot I had it on me" to be even remotely believable. Even the concealable variant of the Glock 9mm polymer series is still like half a pound minimum, not something you lose track of for long periods of time, and that's about as light as a pistol with any real stopping power gets.


Not really. All you have to do is carry regularly. Just this morning I walked into ____ with my _____ which is both a) illegal and b) against their policy.

After almost a full year of carrying now, comfort issues have been resolved and one forgets. ;)
 
2012-12-06 03:25:05 PM
Just another douchebag politician in my great state. Hopefully, this only helps in us finally getting concealed carry.
 
2012-12-06 03:36:02 PM

lennavan: IamSoSmart_S_M_R_T: Like it's unheard of for a politician to get a "company" to shill for him in order to circumvent the law. LOL

What law do you think he is circumventing here? Oh wait, I get it. You think he has this company pretending he works for them so he can get a gun license and that's the only way you can own a gun in IL? LOL UR STUPID


Oh what the hell, I can't resist. I'm talking about this law, you know, the one I referenced in my Boobies? "Looks like it's a way to circumvent IL's no-CHL policy:"
 
2012-12-06 03:39:05 PM

BayouOtter: The way that the 'loophole' works is that he becomes a manager and claims that he is 'always on the clock or on call'


Yeah, I remember when he did that.

According to prosecutors and court records, Trotter told police he got off work as a security guard at about midnight and forgot that his gun was in his garment bag along with a clip containing six live rounds.
 
2012-12-06 03:43:26 PM

IamSoSmart_S_M_R_T: Oh what the hell, I can't resist. I'm talking about this law, you know, the one I referenced in my Boobies


Yes, by all means, lets discuss your original post.

IamSoSmart_S_M_R_T: Looks like it's a way to circumvent IL's no-CHL policy:

FTA comments: "Okay here lays the scam and a scam it is,, I'll bet he only "works" as a security guard/inspector" in name only and for this reason he carries the 25 cal pistol. almost any one can get an Illinois Perc Card, work for a security/Detective agency and receive a license to carry."



Then he went ahead said he got off of work as a security guard at about midnight. You know, because he works for that company in name only. And everyone knows when you're running a scam you give lots of easily verifiable details and stay away from vague comments or invoking the 5th amendment.

It's not paranoia if they actually are all out to get you.
 
2012-12-06 04:04:39 PM

lennavan: IamSoSmart_S_M_R_T: Oh what the hell, I can't resist. I'm talking about this law, you know, the one I referenced in my Boobies

Yes, by all means, lets discuss your original post.

IamSoSmart_S_M_R_T: Looks like it's a way to circumvent IL's no-CHL policy:

FTA comments: "Okay here lays the scam and a scam it is,, I'll bet he only "works" as a security guard/inspector" in name only and for this reason he carries the 25 cal pistol. almost any one can get an Illinois Perc Card, work for a security/Detective agency and receive a license to carry."

Then he went ahead said he got off of work as a security guard at about midnight. You know, because he works for that company in name only. And everyone knows when you're running a scam you give lots of easily verifiable details and stay away from vague comments or invoking the 5th amendment.

It's not paranoia if they actually are all out to get you.


I clearly stated it looked like a way to circumvent IL's no-CHL policy, yet you chose to ignore that. Now you're trying to throw it in my face because someone who lives there has a theory on how this whole program works? You honestly believe that a state senator with a masters degree, who is making >$80K/year, is working a night shift as a security guard? That this isn't some method of circumventing IL's no-CHL policy? That the company he "works" for wouldn't put him on the payroll in order to curry favors from him? You know, like getting contracts from the Chicago Transit Authority?

You conveniently ignore how Chicago politics works. You assume that nobody could possibly be on a ghost payroll? In Chicago? Chicago called most corrupt city in nation

"In the Northern District of Illinois, which includes Chicago, there have been a total of 1,531 public corruption convictions since 1976...A distant second is California's central district in Los Angeles with 1,275 public corruption convictions since 1976."

"Since the 1970s, four of Illinois' seven governors have been convicted (Otto Kerner, Dan Walker, George Ryan and Rod Blagojevich). In addition, dozens of Chicago alderman and other city and county public officials have been found guilty..."

I lived in Crook County for 20 years, so no, none of this surprises me. You are either trolling or willfully ignorant, you should read John Kass on a regular basis...it'll help take your blinders off.
 
2012-12-06 04:21:59 PM

IamSoSmart_S_M_R_T: You honestly believe that a state senator with a masters degree, who is making >$80K/year, is working a night shift as a security guard?


I would never have believed it until he told it to a cop and it was entered into court records.

IamSoSmart_S_M_R_T: You conveniently ignore how Chicago politics works


It's funny you think that is relevant.

IamSoSmart_S_M_R_T: I lived in Crook County for 20 years


You lived in Cook County? Did you know four of seven governors since the 1970s are in jail? That, Chicago, which is in Cook County, is the most corrupt city in the nation. Is this your way of admitting you are corrupt and in on a political conspiracy? Did you shake down that children's hospital for Blago? I think it's pretty clear you did. As a good friend of mine once suggested, if you live in Cook County, you are clearly guilty of something:

IamSoSmart_S_M_R_T: You conveniently ignore how Chicago politics works. You assume that nobody could possibly be on a ghost payroll? In Chicago? Chicago called most corrupt city in nation

 
2012-12-06 04:28:36 PM

lennavan: IamSoSmart_S_M_R_T: You honestly believe that a state senator with a masters degree, who is making >$80K/year, is working a night shift as a security guard?

I would never have believed it until he told it to a cop and it was entered into court records.

IamSoSmart_S_M_R_T: You conveniently ignore how Chicago politics works

It's funny you think that is relevant.

IamSoSmart_S_M_R_T: I lived in Crook County for 20 years

You lived in Cook County? Did you know four of seven governors since the 1970s are in jail? That, Chicago, which is in Cook County, is the most corrupt city in the nation. Is this your way of admitting you are corrupt and in on a political conspiracy? Did you shake down that children's hospital for Blago? I think it's pretty clear you did. As a good friend of mine once suggested, if you live in Cook County, you are clearly guilty of something:

IamSoSmart_S_M_R_T: You conveniently ignore how Chicago politics works. You assume that nobody could possibly be on a ghost payroll? In Chicago? Chicago called most corrupt city in nation


Wow. I think you need to increase your meds, those are clown comments bro. It's been a nice timewaster and all, but the whimsy has run its course.
 
2012-12-06 04:31:49 PM
Pshhhht. Laws are for little people.
 
2012-12-06 04:42:08 PM

IamSoSmart_S_M_R_T: You honestly believe that a state senator with a masters degree, who is making >$80K/year, is working a night shift as a security guard? That this isn't some method of circumventing IL's no-CHL policy?


I know people who work for the state and moonlight in relatively low wage jobs. The reason is primarily to work just enough to qualify for social security so they can get both their state pension and social security benefits.
 
2012-12-06 04:42:32 PM

lennavan: Then he went ahead said he got off of work as a security guard at about midnight. You know, because he works for that company in name only. And everyone knows when you're running a scam you give lots of easily verifiable details and stay away from vague comments or invoking the 5th amendment.

It's not paranoia if they actually are all out to get you.


The company he works for doesn't really do much in the way of armed security. It's mostly home security and the like. A security company with fewer than 50 employees really isn't doing much else than mom and pop stuff. It does smell kind of fishy, and I don't think I've ever seen a security guard carry anything smaller than a .38.
 
2012-12-06 04:54:46 PM
If the residents of the state of Illinois were willing to vote for him, then clearly they wish for a society where only criminals carry concealed firearms. Additionally, amongst those criminals is apparently Senator Trotter.
 
2012-12-06 04:58:46 PM

redmid17: lennavan: Then he went ahead said he got off of work as a security guard at about midnight. You know, because he works for that company in name only. And everyone knows when you're running a scam you give lots of easily verifiable details and stay away from vague comments or invoking the 5th amendment.

It's not paranoia if they actually are all out to get you.

The company he works for doesn't really do much in the way of armed security. It's mostly home security and the like. A security company with fewer than 50 employees really isn't doing much else than mom and pop stuff. It does smell kind of fishy, and I don't think I've ever seen a security guard carry anything smaller than a .38.


Maybe that's why he doesn't need a .38. I dunno, all I'm sayin is if we first hear about this because the guy told a cop he forgot about it from his shift last night, that sounds to me like the truth. If it was some big conspiracy fake job to get around concealed carry laws he enacted, I don't think he would have gotten so specific as to say "last night around midnight." He would have invoked the 5th or spoken in amazingly general terms. It probably took the cops somewhere between 12 and 15 seconds to verify what he was doing around midnight that night.

Lots of politicians are corrupt, especially in Chicago. Lots of under the table deals go on. This one doesn't smell like one yet. By all means, call him a hypocrite for his gun control policies juxtaposed with this. But lumping him in with Jesse Jackson Jr and Blago is probably a bit premature.
 
2012-12-06 05:03:35 PM

lennavan: clip containing six live rounds.


Christ I hate journalists.
 
2012-12-06 05:05:31 PM
IamSoSmart_S_M_R_T: read John Kass

Dude, you were making your case there for a while, till you brought Kass in. Now I know you're yet another blowhard trying to claim local knowledge from national media sources. Are you going to quote Sneed to back yourself up next?

You don't know where to find real information about Illinois politics if you're relying on the Tribune. This isn't a liberal/conservative thing, it's a function of working in the Illinois State Capitol in a political position that requires one to understand the value of editorial boards and columnists when judging the value of their output. And as a person who does that every day, I can tell you that the Tribune is the most mocked news source in Illinois, and no one who wants to be taken seriously would try to use this guy for support. To give you an idea, this is like trying to defend a national talking point because Charles Krauthammer wrote about it - doesn't matter that it got published, the messenger has been wrong too many times to take seriously any longer in light of other, more accurate sources.

/Good lord, to listen to you pro-gun folks go on about Illinois, you make it sound like we are actively hunting ya'll for sport here. Not everything is part of some conspiracy to deny you the "right" to carry a handgun anywhere you feel like it.
//I'm not looking to go off about guns here, but this is my state and as farked up as it is it made me who I am and I love it.
///I will defend it the way a Texan defends Lone Star.
////I will defend it the way a Wisconsinite defends cheese curds.
////I will defend it the way a Utahan (?) defends low-alcohol beer.
///I will defend it the way a Penn State student defends Joe Paterno.
 
2012-12-06 05:05:36 PM

Frank N Stein: lennavan: clip containing six live rounds.

Christ I hate journalists.


Perhaps it was a moon clip.
 
2012-12-06 05:07:29 PM

lennavan: Maybe that's why he doesn't need a .38. I dunno, all I'm sayin is if we first hear about this because the guy told a cop he forgot about it from his shift last night, that sounds to me like the truth


People like you are why corrupt politicians are able to exist.
 
2012-12-06 05:10:04 PM

TelemonianAjax: //I'm not looking to go off about guns here, but this is my state and as farked up as it is it made me who I am and I love it.


So you are for a law, which exists because of the Chicago political strangle hold on the entire state, simply because you think it's an "Illinois thing"? That's pretty farking stupid, no offense.
 
2012-12-06 05:11:48 PM

Frank N Stein: lennavan: Maybe that's why he doesn't need a .38. I dunno, all I'm sayin is if we first hear about this because the guy told a cop he forgot about it from his shift last night, that sounds to me like the truth

People like you are why corrupt politicians are able to exist.


People who believe innocent until proven guilty are the reason corrupt politicians exist? Funny, I thought it was the stupid voters who vote them back in, or the prosecutors who fail to prosecute them, or the other elected politicians who fail to actively remove them, or the police/FBI who fail to investigate them.

You're right. It's the Fark.com posters who don't rush to judge/condemn within the first 24 hours that are responsible. Whoa.
 
2012-12-06 05:15:39 PM

TelemonianAjax: IamSoSmart_S_M_R_T: read John Kass

Dude, you were making your case there for a while, till you brought Kass in. Now I know you're yet another blowhard trying to claim local knowledge from national media sources. Are you going to quote Sneed to back yourself up next?

You don't know where to find real information about Illinois politics if you're relying on the Tribune. This isn't a liberal/conservative thing, it's a function of working in the Illinois State Capitol in a political position that requires one to understand the value of editorial boards and columnists when judging the value of their output. And as a person who does that every day, I can tell you that the Tribune is the most mocked news source in Illinois, and no one who wants to be taken seriously would try to use this guy for support. To give you an idea, this is like trying to defend a national talking point because Charles Krauthammer wrote about it - doesn't matter that it got published, the messenger has been wrong too many times to take seriously any longer in light of other, more accurate sources.


Nope, grew up there and the Trib was the newspaper of choice in our household (this was before they were nationally available on the WWW). Moved away and still read Kass, (mainly as forwarded links from family that still lives there), but I was unaware of his "standing" as you describe it. If you have a better source, I'd sincerely be interested in it.

/Never cared for Sneed 
//Do still watch WGN news from time to time
///Tom Skilling has been on for a century!
 
2012-12-06 05:24:03 PM

IamSoSmart_S_M_R_T: //Do still watch WGN news from time to time


Link

The best part: ""Are you kidding me? They might want to tell the news folks when they're doing this and shutting down King Drive," Baumgarten suggests."

Yeah, it's the TV show's fault journalists no longer know how to do journalism.
 
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