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2012-12-06 02:34:04 AM
milk is optional. sometimes gasoline is not.
 
2012-12-06 02:35:20 AM

lokis_mentor: Gallon gas is $3.21
Gallon of milk yesterday $3.49 today $3.59

I have 4 kids too.. ugh, second job time.


Or, y'know, switch to another source of calcium. Milk is repugnant. Tastes like rot after you drink it.
 
2012-12-06 02:35:50 AM

7th Son of a 7th Son: a 1/2 gallon lasts me over a month.


What the fark kind of lumpy green milk do you drink?
 
2012-12-06 02:36:49 AM
LOL! Like I've said before: food riots by 2016-2017. Chickens coming home to roost. OPM eventually runs out, suckers.
 
2012-12-06 02:39:25 AM
So... how many people are going to show up on my lawn with a pitchfork and torch... when I tell you Wegmans charges $1.99/gallon of fat free, I think it's under $2.50 even for 2%. Not sure for Whole milk.

Also the dairy farmers in western/southern NY have been biatching about the artificially LOW milk prices for like a decade. I don't blame them, considering how hard that work is, but it's just odd to me how big the difference is.

/paid $3.95 for 89 octane tonight, and that was on 'gas sale' day...
 
2012-12-06 02:39:42 AM
Move to Syria then
 
2012-12-06 02:41:18 AM
not you, tuna, the other one
 
2012-12-06 02:43:32 AM

EkimProx: Considering so many women are out of work, how about we harvest their breast milk?


Yes please.
 
2012-12-06 02:44:46 AM
A little over $3/gallon here in the midwest. I guess living in cow country has a few advantages.
 
2012-12-06 02:44:50 AM

ladyfortuna: So... how many people are going to show up on my lawn with a pitchfork and torch... when I tell you Wegmans charges $1.99/gallon of fat free, I think it's under $2.50 even for 2%. Not sure for Whole milk.

Also the dairy farmers in western/southern NY have been biatching about the artificially LOW milk prices for like a decade. I don't blame them, considering how hard that work is, but it's just odd to me how big the difference is.

/paid $3.95 for 89 octane tonight, and that was on 'gas sale' day...


I miss the Meijer/Kroger Milk wars of the mid 90's. 1.50 a gallon.

/Bout 2.89 here now. 3.39 for 89 octane gas.
 
2012-12-06 02:46:22 AM

lokis_mentor: Gallon gas is $3.21
Gallon of milk yesterday $3.49 today $3.59

I have 4 kids too.. ugh, second job time.


Or you could not drink milk. Kids don't need it after like age 12.
 
2012-12-06 02:46:43 AM
Atomic Spunk

SumoJeb: fark id be happy to pay $6 for a gallon of milk. The average price here is a couple pennies below $7. About $15 at 7-11 ....

Got to love living in the north. / starting wages in town is about $20 per hour / a 2000 sq ft house is about $180k

Add about $600k to the home price and it sounds about like here in Honolulu


It hasn't been warmer than -15'c. Since September here.... Nothing like Honolulu ..... sigh
 
2012-12-06 02:48:07 AM

SumoJeb: Atomic Spunk

SumoJeb: fark id be happy to pay $6 for a gallon of milk. The average price here is a couple pennies below $7. About $15 at 7-11 ....

Got to love living in the north. / starting wages in town is about $20 per hour / a 2000 sq ft house is about $180k

Add about $600k to the home price and it sounds about like here in Honolulu


It hasn't been warmer than -15'c. Since September here.... Nothing like Honolulu ..... sigh


Ah that was the catch :D
 
2012-12-06 02:49:06 AM

BoxOfBees: As a Libertarian who is not an outrageous free-marketer, why the hell do we need to constantly subsidize, price-fix, and choose winners in food markets by pouring government funds into some programs (but not others) at taxpayer expense? We are very fortunate in the US to have diverse staple sources - corn, wheat, soybeans, and even rice and potatoes - so people can easily switch staples during an off cycle. Cow's milk is not really a necessity and the price could rise and fall significantly without impacting anyone greatly (yes, I know the farmers complain when the prices fall because revenues decline, but what's new?). If we stop subsidizing corn ethanol, we get better quality gasoline and cheaper food prices across the board, as well as better use of farmland and less govt expenditure on ethanol programs. The "free market" can't do everything, but it is a great system for managing prices and supplies when people can choose to buy less or eat differently. Perhaps part of the problem is that we are operating as if it is still World War II and we have to delicately manage every aspect of food supply or we will all starve.


you're seriously asking why a stable food supply is a good thing?
 
2012-12-06 02:52:06 AM

doglover: Or, y'know, switch to another source of calcium. Milk is repugnant. Tastes like rot after you drink it.


Gyrfalcon: Or you could not drink milk. Kids don't need it after like age 12.

All my kids are still in the 2-12 range. So milk is still the cheaper alternative for the kids. I already stuff them with Cheese, broccoli, kale and the like to cut back on calcium from milk.
 
2012-12-06 02:53:17 AM
North end of Chicago - gas is $3.65, milk is $2.89. Seeing as I go through about 12 gallons of gas per one gallon of milk, I'd like to switch places with a lot of people in this thread.
 
2012-12-06 03:00:22 AM

Gyrfalcon: Or you could not drink milk. Kids don't need it after like age 12.


Milk is used for a lot of other things than just drinking it. Cheese, butter, baking, some sauces and so on all use milk.
 
2012-12-06 03:00:51 AM
"A dairy industry without a farm bill could lead to much higher milk prices in the US."

because, you know, what farm bills do is convince farmers and agribusiness to work for less money.

I have absolutely no problem with $6/gallon milk if it means no subsidies. We'll end up better for it in the long term.

I also have no problem with $10 or even $20 gallons of gas if it means no subsidies via the defense industry. Heck, I pay almost $10 per gallon right now anyway (UK resident) and even so my total petrol bill is what - $3000-$4000 a year? Not going to kill me, and those are the kind of prices that force people to un-sprawl and to think about c0mmunist public transport infrastructure.
 
2012-12-06 03:03:39 AM
The problem in dairy farming, as with so many other aspects of farming, is that the farmer has no control of costs or prices. Dairy farmers do not set prices - they get paid for their milk what their consumers decide to pay. Dairy farmers do not get to set prices for feed - they have to pay what market forces decide they should pay. Unlike a factory, you can't simply shut off or turn on a dairy farm. After a cow freshens, she must be milked twice a day or she will stop producing milk (and given the high-producing nature of today's milk cows, she may well die if milking suddenly stops). If you decide you want to start milking and get a heifer calf today, it takes about 2 years until she starts milking - even if you have a cow ready to breed, it's about 40 weeks gestation until she drops a calf and starts producing milk.

Once you have a cow producing milk, you don't just sidle up with a bucket and a milking stool and start pulling teats. You need to have a licensed milking facility along with proper permits and all of the inspected and approved milk handling equipment to make sure the milk is safe and held at the right temperature until the bulk truck comes to pick it up and transport it to the processing plant. All of this represents a significant investment for the dairy farmer.

So, dairy farmers have no control over prices; no control over costs. Society as a whole deems dairy products to be necessary (there is no substitute for real cheese on anything from pizza to the pecan-encrusted, phyllo dough-wrapped Brie). For better or worse, the government stepped in to support dairy farmers from going bankrupt. Just like any other government program (or like heroin) dairy price supports are addictive. Market players like dairy processing plants, cheese plants, dried milk plants, etc. are well aware of this and bid the price of milk accordingly - if their profits are a bit low and their demand is a bit soft, they just drop the price of their raw material (milk), knowing that the government will make up the difference to the farmer. Dairy equipment manufacturer raises prices, impelement manufacturer raises prices, price of corn, SBOM, silage, hay, whatever goes up - dairy farmers need it; pay whatever is required to keep operating and look to the government to make up the difference because they have no control over costs.

It is a terribly complex web. I am not in favor of any subsidies but the government has so intruded into the farming game that any changes will need to be gradual and will need to prod consumers and suppliers to the ag industries to bear a larger part of the burden than they have historically been willing to do.
 
2012-12-06 03:14:22 AM

Omahawg: also, dairy farming sort of sucks but does give you something to do twice a day, every day, no weekends...no vacations...no snow days...nope. twice a day, every day.

moo

fat chick thread?

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She's cute. Bet she'd give good head.

But seriously, GOOD! The farm subsidies have screwed up the free market, badly. There's way too much thought going into agricultural prices. I was dating into a farm family for a few years, and regional/national prices for various crops were stupidly insane, as was the measurement. They had convoys of trucks going from KS to NE just to save $20/load after fuel prices and payroll. Net profit per year after payroll/yearly expenses/loan repayments: $180-$400. For a 500 acre farm, minus non-farming utilites, such as the house and regular household expenses.

If I had any say, it would be dollar/pound, not bushel. Bushel is dependent on volume, which can vary based on water content. $7.5375123 per bushel of corn (which is 56 for shelled, 70 for ears) is crap.

Say I produce 100 tons of regular on-ear corn. This doesn't change. I should be able to sell to everyone at market price. If they want to let it sit and evaporate water-weight, cook it, de-ear it, freeze it, etc. for feedstock vs. human consumable stock, that's their business on a separate market not pertaining to national prices.
 
2012-12-06 03:17:29 AM
Oh sure, but inflation is completely in check.
 
2012-12-06 03:19:53 AM
Mr. Right - the problem for farmers is years like this one ending very soon. The USDA deemed 2012 the worst year for droughts and other severe weather events on record for the US. I personally drove through a good chunk of the Midwest (IN, OH) in late July and was floored by the volume of corn crops that were utterly worthless in terms of actual feed/food use. I saw here on Fark how it was even worse the farther west one looked.

The government may have created a vast agricultural web, but as I understand it one of the main reasons it is in place is to try and prevent another real Great Depression where thousands (millions?) of acres are abandoned by the farmers when they can no longer grow crops or raise livestock on them. I'm curious what the numbers will be for this year in terms of farmers claiming crop insurance.

In other words, as much as we love to hate yet another government agency system, it's intended to ease the burden in the hard years.
 
2012-12-06 03:25:35 AM
So the farmers are finally allowed to charge a fair market price. Good.
 
2012-12-06 03:30:42 AM
My area milk has stayed fairly stable at $2.50 to $3.00 a gal. However gas was actually $2.99!
 
2012-12-06 03:47:03 AM
I consume about 8 l worth of milk in my diet every week. Now, For me to get to work and back, in one week, I consume about 98.43768 l of fuel.... if it was up to me, I'd gladly pay double for my milk, if I could halve the price on my fuel... in fact, the total spent on personal consumables, IE. food, beer etc. is only about 12.54% of what I need to spend on fuel, to make it through a month. pathetic if you think about it, actually.
 
2012-12-06 03:54:07 AM
Who's paying $6 for gas? I'm still under $4 and taxed up the ass
 
2012-12-06 03:55:06 AM
p...p...p...peak milk!!!!11!
 
2012-12-06 04:02:11 AM
Forced ethanol consumption and a rapid devaluing of the dollar. What could possibly go wrong?
 
2012-12-06 04:10:48 AM

FurbyGoneFubar: I just typed in "14.33 SEK per liter in USD per gallon" in Google and got $8.22 as the result...


www.google.co.uk16 (Chinese yuan per litre) = 11.6836016 U.S. dollars per Imperial gallon

At least that's what you pay around here if you want the stuff that's not laced with melamine or [insert chemical adulterant of the week here]. So yeah. Cry me a river of milk about $6/gallon milk.

/in other news, Google is pretty awesome
 
2012-12-06 04:12:21 AM
Once upon a mid-day sunny, while I savored Nuts 'N Honey,
With my Tuscan Whole Milk, 1 gal, 128 fl. oz., I swore
As I went on with my lapping, suddenly there came a tapping,
As of some one gently rapping, rapping at the icebox door.
'Bad condensor, that,' I muttered, 'vibrating the icebox door -
Only this, and nothing more.'

Not to sound like a complainer, but, in an inept half-gainer,
I provoked my bowl to tip and spill its contents on the floor.
Stupefied, I came to muddle over that increasing puddle,
Burgeoning deluge of that which I at present do adore -
Snowy Tuscan wholesomeness exclusively produced offshore -
Purg'ed here for evermore.

And the pool so white and silky, filled me with a sense of milky
Ardor of the type fantastic of a loss not known before,
So that now, to still the throbbing of my heart, while gently sobbing,
I retreated, heading straightway for the tempting icebox door -
Heedless of that pitter-patter tapping at the icebox door -
I resolved to have some more.

Presently my soul grew stronger; hesitating then no longer,
'This,' said I, 'requires an extra dram of milk, my favorite pour.'
To the icebox I aspired, motivated to admire
How its avocado pigment complemented my decor.
Then I grasped its woodgrain handle - here I opened wide the door; -
Darkness there, and nothing more.

Deep into that darkness peering, long I stood there wondering, fearing,
Doubting, dreaming dreams of Tuscans I had known before
But the light inside was broken, and the darkness gave no token,
And the only words there spoken were my whispered words, 'No more!'
Coke and beer, some ketchup I set eyes on, and an apple core -
Merely this and nothing more.

Back toward the table turning, all my soul within me burning,
Soon again I heard a tapping somewhat louder than before.
'Surely,' said I, 'surely that is something at my window lattice;
Let me see then, what thereat is, and this mystery explore -
Let my heart be still a moment and this mystery explore; -
'Tis the wind and nothing more!'

From the window came a stirring, then, with an incessant purring,
Inside stepped a kitten; mannerlessly did she me ignore.
Not the least obeisance made she; not a minute stopped or stayed she;
But, with mien of lord or lady, withdrew to my dining floor -
Pounced upon the pool of Tuscan spreading o'er my dining floor -
Licked, and lapped, and supped some more.

Then this tiny cat beguiling my sad fancy into smiling,
By the grand enthusiasm of the countenance she wore,
Toward the mess she showed no pity, 'til I said, 'Well, hello, kitty!'
Sought she me with pretty eyes that seemed to open some rapport.
So I pleaded, 'Tell me, tell me what it is that you implore!'
Quoth the kitten, 'Six farking dollars?!?'
 
2012-12-06 04:14:16 AM

Omahawg: that was crude and insensitive and posted in a moment of weakness

i'm sorry.


Apology accepted.

Got any more?
 
2012-12-06 04:24:35 AM

nmemkha: Problem?


Yes. Silk is disgusting.
 
2012-12-06 04:29:04 AM

lokis_mentor: doglover: Or, y'know, switch to another source of calcium. Milk is repugnant. Tastes like rot after you drink it.

Gyrfalcon: Or you could not drink milk. Kids don't need it after like age 12.

All my kids are still in the 2-12 range. So milk is still the cheaper alternative for the kids. I already stuff them with Cheese, broccoli, kale and the like to cut back on calcium from milk.


Oh, well. Have you considered buying a cow? In a few years, you'll need to keep an ox roasting in the back yard to keep them fed anyway, so you may as well start planning ahead.
 
2012-12-06 04:48:33 AM
what about almond milk? it's just like regular milk. who cares if it doesn't have protein. if ur eating Kashi it's got just as much protein as an egg!

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2012-12-06 04:51:33 AM

Relatively Obscure: nmemkha: Problem?

Yes. Silk is disgusting.


It's like diet soda - you get used to it. The watery consistency no longer bothers me. I've gone from drinking nothing but whole milk as a kid, 2% in college, skim afterward and now almond milk.
 
2012-12-06 04:57:38 AM
Gas is 1.30 a litre here. Forgot to add that..... And only if the stations have gas to sell.
 
2012-12-06 05:07:29 AM

log_jammin: BoxOfBees: As a Libertarian who is not an outrageous free-marketer, why the hell do we need to constantly subsidize, price-fix, and choose winners in food markets by pouring government funds into some programs (but not others) at taxpayer expense? We are very fortunate in the US to have diverse staple sources - corn, wheat, soybeans, and even rice and potatoes - so people can easily switch staples during an off cycle. Cow's milk is not really a necessity and the price could rise and fall significantly without impacting anyone greatly (yes, I know the farmers complain when the prices fall because revenues decline, but what's new?). If we stop subsidizing corn ethanol, we get better quality gasoline and cheaper food prices across the board, as well as better use of farmland and less govt expenditure on ethanol programs. The "free market" can't do everything, but it is a great system for managing prices and supplies when people can choose to buy less or eat differently. Perhaps part of the problem is that we are operating as if it is still World War II and we have to delicately manage every aspect of food supply or we will all starve.

you're seriously asking why a stable food supply is a good thing?


because people are dumb and forget the 'good old days' when farmers burned their corn for heat all winter 'cause it wasn't worth it to transport and sell while there were people starving in the cities.

hell, even Hoover tried to do something, anything, to stop it (which didn't work). The Ag Adjustment Act mostly has.

farm everything possible? prices will drop so much you'll go bankrupt, corporations buy up all the land, and then you'll see how much you can gouge out of the american consumer for everything we generally take for granted.

agricultural subsidies and price supports really are a good thing. as are wic and food stamps ('cause demand)

all those free-market buffoons? yeah....I'm sure they think their food magically appears out of a can or something.

and the drought has been so bad out here that your hamburger, chicken, and pork chops are going to go sky high. no, don't blame the lack of pink slime, blame the weather and no feed, jackass. no, the corn you turn into ethanol, feed the pigs, and eat on the cob aren't the same.

also blame monsanto, adm, pioneer, and con-agra just because someone should put some heat on those evil monstrosities.

lastly,

www.yensa.com
 
2012-12-06 05:12:32 AM
Give it another week, and I expect gasoline in my neighbor hood to be in the $2.999 range. It's already down to $3.049 for 85 octane at some stations. And milk was $2 last time I was at the store, so I bought 2 gallons. Now I suppose if you were buying free-range, hormone-free, vegan-cow, more-esoteric-than-thou milk, you could easily spend $6 per gallon.

It's nice to see subsidies start go away. Now if we could just get the sweetener market unscrewed from federal machinations and quit farking every poor cane farmer in Central and South America, then we would have made some real progress.
 
2012-12-06 05:22:19 AM

Omahawg: lastly,


oh my lord....
 
2012-12-06 05:45:12 AM

BoxOfBees: The "free market" can't do everything, but it is a great system for managing prices and supplies when people can choose to buy less or eat differently. Perhaps part of the problem is that we are operating as if it is still World War II and we have to delicately manage every aspect of food supply or we will all starve.


Actually, the federal government didn't start meddling in markets for meddling's sake until after WWII around 1948. Food rationing during the war was just a propaganda scheme to make people at home feel like they were contributing. There was plenty of food. The logistics of shipping it to Europe was the bottleneck.


brobinson2001: If I had any say, it would be dollar/pound, not bushel. Bushel is dependent on volume, which can vary based on water content.
...
Say I produce 100 tons of regular on-ear corn. This doesn't change.


Weight varies more with water content than volume. The 100 tons will change if moisture evaporates from the corn.


Mr. Right: The problem in dairy farming, as with so many other aspects of farming, is that the farmer has no control of costs or prices. Dairy farmers do not set prices - they get paid for their milk what their consumers decide to pay. Dairy farmers do not get to set prices for feed - they have to pay what market forces decide they should pay. Unlike a factory, you can't simply shut off or turn on a dairy farm.


How do you figure that dairy farmers are getting screwed both ways? In your first scenario the buyer dictates price, but in the second seller dictates. Care to explain why you believe that is so? Also, of the three dairies down the highway from me, one of them is closed, so I disagree that it's can't be turned off. Sell off the cows to other dairies or butchers. Tell the feed suppliers to stop delivery. Point the employees to other dairies or the state Dept. of Workforce Solutions. If the price of milk rises to where the demand can increase, then start the place up again. Unlike, say, a coke factory, none of the dairy equipment is damaged by the shutdown process.
 
2012-12-06 05:54:58 AM

Yoyo:
Mr. Right: The problem in dairy farming, as with so many other aspects of farming, is that the farmer has no control of costs or prices. Dairy farmers do not set prices - they get paid for their milk what their consumers decide to pay. Dairy farmers do not get to set prices for feed - they have to pay what market forces decide they should pay. Unlike a factory, you can't simply shut off or turn on a dairy farm.

How do you figure that dairy farmers are getting screwed both ways? In your first scenario the buyer dictates price, but in the second seller dictates. Care to explain why you believe that is so? Also, of the three dairies down the highway from me, one of them is closed, so I disagree that it's can't be turned off. Sell off the cows to other dairies or butchers. Tell the feed suppliers to stop delivery. Point the employees to other dairies or the state Dept. of Workforce Solutions. If the price of milk rises to where the demand can increase, then start the place up again. Unlike, s ...


Dairy farmers have no control over the prices they are paid for their product. Prices are set by what milk processing plants are willing to pay.

Meanwhile, they also have no control over the costs they must pay for feed and equipment. Those prices are set by commodities markets, in which farmers are but bit players. A dairy farmer has to compete with ethanol plants, HFCS producers, and Post Toasties for corn so he doesn't just get to set a price he's willing to pay or he won't have feed for his cows.

As to changing production - it's difficult at best. If you simply sell off the cows, the market is glutted and you get nothing. Then, when you want to increase production you're going to pay a huge price in competition with everyone else that wants to start milking because the price went up. And, if your equipment stands idle for more than a couple days, the restart and inspection process is costly and will more than likely mean that most of your equipment has to be upgraded to meet new standards that would not have applied had you kept using your old, and very serviceable, equipment.
 
2012-12-06 05:56:42 AM

log_jammin: Omahawg: lastly,

oh my lord....


This. Big girls are not my thing, but that's a friggin force of nature right there.


Also, on topic, you don't let the free market boom/bust cycle loose on any national ag industry that you can't live without, because sooner or later you'll get a season bad enough that most of your farmers will go under. All of you lactards aside, most of this country is rather attached to dairy products. And if any of you motherfarkers put my cheese fix in jeopardy, I WILL cut you.
 
2012-12-06 05:56:51 AM
"Unlike, say, a coke factory, none of the dairy equipment is damaged by the shutdown process."

Cept of course the cows.
 
2012-12-06 07:02:40 AM
Jesus, what is the big deal with milk prices? We only buy a gallon a week. I am more concerned with CHEESE prices. Going to start making my own. Need to find local raw milk for that.
 
2012-12-06 07:10:06 AM

Lionel Mandrake: GODDAMMIT 0BAMA


i26.photobucket.com
 
2012-12-06 07:36:00 AM
A gallon of organic milk costs about $12 in canada already.
 
2012-12-06 07:38:44 AM
$4 for a half gallon for me too. Damned I wish that the lactose - free people would just put out gallon sizes. That way there would be a gallon for me (non fat) and a gallon for hubby & Kid (full fat) and we wouldn't have 4 or more damned containers in the cart at one time making everyone look at us funny.
 
2012-12-06 07:45:22 AM
Regarding food, there is a compelling societal reason to ensure production of more than is needed. If you produce 10% more than is used in a good year, then during a bad year you can still produce enough to feed everyone. If left completely to market forces that 10% overproduction would be reduced so that when a bad year hits, you don't have enough to feed everyone.
 
2012-12-06 07:49:39 AM

brobinson2001: She's cute. Bet she'd give good head.


In my experience those two things are generally mutually exclusive.
 
2012-12-06 08:03:38 AM
At that price, I'll just switch to Malk.
 
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